OT: Pedestrians and roads - help

"LSMike" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I'm interested in what the laws are regarding pedestrians on the public
highway. Can we cross at traffic lights regardless of the signal being
red?

What about the situation of a large crowd of people walking through a
junction on the road, and the light for cross traffic turns green whilst
the crowd is still walking through?

No, it's not legal to run them over....

Cheers, helen s

LSMike said:

I'm interested in what the laws are regarding pedestrians on the public
highway. Can we cross at traffic lights regardless of the signal being red?

What about the situation of a large crowd of people walking through a
junction on the road, and the light for cross traffic turns green whilst the
crowd is still walking through?

Depending on what car they're driving, you can be legally run over if
you cross on any phase of the lights and impede the driver. This appies
particularly to BMWs and 4x4 drivers, especially penilely challenged
ones in 4x4s with "WARRIOR" down the side in big letters.

--
Nobby

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I'm interested in what the laws are regarding pedestrians on the public
highway. Can we cross at traffic lights regardless of the signal being
red?

Light controlled crossings may be a special case, but generally a
pedestrian has a right to walk on the road. So even if you may not cross
at a crossing if the signal is red, you can /legally/ cross off the
crossing.

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"wafflycat" <waffles*A*T*v21net*D*O*T*co*D*O*T*uk> wrote in message
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"LSMike" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I'm interested in what the laws are regarding pedestrians on the public
highway. Can we cross at traffic lights regardless of the signal being
red?

What about the situation of a large crowd of people walking through a
junction on the road, and the light for cross traffic turns green whilst
the crowd is still walking through?

No, it's not legal to run them over....

Cheers, helen s

LOL, no, I'm actually thinking from the viewpoint of the pedestrian here, no
bikes necessarily involved, hence the OT.

LSMike came up with the following;:

Quoted message said:

I'm interested in what the laws are regarding pedestrians on the public
highway. Can we cross at traffic lights regardless of the signal being
red?
What about the situation of a large crowd of people walking through a
junction on the road, and the light for cross traffic turns green whilst
the crowd is still walking through?

Nope, in theory pedestrians have more 'rights' on the road than vehicles of
any description.

It isn't permissible to run into them in any situation, no matter what the
traffic light says ... 😉

--
Paul ...
(8(|) Homer Rules ..... Doh !!!

Legally you may cross on or off the crossing, regardless of the lights.
The HC suggests checking for traffic, and also warns it is dangerous to
cross near to a crossing instead of on it.

The only special case for crossings (lights and zebras) is you must not
loiter on them.

"iakobski" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Legally you may cross on or off the crossing, regardless of the lights.
The HC suggests checking for traffic, and also warns it is dangerous to
cross near to a crossing instead of on it.

The only special case for crossings (lights and zebras) is you must not
loiter on them.

I noted with a little sadness how pedestrians don't trust cyclists coming up
to a zebra crossing in Hyde Park yesterday. Clearly we have a bad
reputation on giving way there.

LSMike said:

"iakobski" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Legally you may cross on or off the crossing, regardless of the lights.
The HC suggests checking for traffic, and also warns it is dangerous to
cross near to a crossing instead of on it.

The only special case for crossings (lights and zebras) is you must not
loiter on them.

I noted with a little sadness how pedestrians don't trust cyclists coming up
to a zebra crossing in Hyde Park yesterday. Clearly we have a bad
reputation on giving way there.

Clearly you were also wearing dark clothing and were helmetless and
lightless, otherwise there's no way they could have seen you approaching.

R.

"Paul - [censored]" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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LSMike came up with the following;:

Quoted message said:

I'm interested in what the laws are regarding pedestrians on the public
highway. Can we cross at traffic lights regardless of the signal being
red?
What about the situation of a large crowd of people walking through a
junction on the road, and the light for cross traffic turns green whilst
the crowd is still walking through?

Nope, in theory pedestrians have more 'rights' on the road than vehicles

of

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any description.

It isn't permissible to run into them in any situation, no matter what the
traffic light says ... 😉

I remember it as a green light means you may proceed, but only if it as safe
to do so

The problem is, when a cyclist stops at a zebra crossing, they are
often (illegally) passed by cars and motorcycles. This is probably down
to the fact that many drivers do not consider cycles as traffic.

So what happens is either the pedestrian still has to wait, in which
case the cycle could have passed anyway, or worse they will start to
cross (obscured by the cyclist) and have to jump out of the way of
another vehicle. When that happens, it would have been safer not to
stop.

I regularly stop at a zebra on my way home, and the amazement on the
faces of some pedestrians is priceless.

iakobski said:

The problem is, when a cyclist stops at a zebra crossing, they are
often (illegally) passed by cars and motorcycles. This is probably down
to the fact that many drivers do not consider cycles as traffic.

This is undoubtably true.

And is why I always move to the centre of the carriageway whenever I stop at a
pedestrian crossing.

"LSMike" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"iakobski" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Legally you may cross on or off the crossing, regardless of the lights.
The HC suggests checking for traffic, and also warns it is dangerous to
cross near to a crossing instead of on it.

The only special case for crossings (lights and zebras) is you must not
loiter on them.

I noted with a little sadness how pedestrians don't trust cyclists coming

up

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to a zebra crossing in Hyde Park yesterday. Clearly we have a bad
reputation on giving way there.

I don't trust any vehicle when about to use a crossing, especially pelican
crossings.
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Pete
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LSMike said:

I'm interested in what the laws are regarding pedestrians on the
public highway. Can we cross at traffic lights regardless of the
signal being red?

What about the situation of a large crowd of people walking through a
junction on the road, and the light for cross traffic turns green
whilst the crowd is still walking through?

If you are careful you can filter through gaps in the crowd once the lights go
green, but you must still be prepared to stop if necessary so it's best if you can
trackstrand!

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"wafflycat" <waffles*A*T*v21net*D*O*T*co*D*O*T*uk> wrote in message
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"LSMike" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I'm interested in what the laws are regarding pedestrians on the public
highway. Can we cross at traffic lights regardless of the signal being
red?

What about the situation of a large crowd of people walking through a
junction on the road, and the light for cross traffic turns green whilst
the crowd is still walking through?

No, it's not legal to run them over....

Cheers, helen s

LOL, no, I'm actually thinking from the viewpoint of the pedestrian here, no
bikes necessarily involved, hence the OT.

Your question reminds of a time when my father was in pseudo driving
instructor mode with me. He'd constantly quiz me while I drove, asking
where I was looking, and more specifically what I was seeing ("What did
the road sign we just passed say?", "what speed were you doing the last
time you checked?", "how can I see the two people are standing behind
that van?", "which direction will the car in front go at the next
roundabout?", stuff like that).

One day he asked "When you are driving, who always has the right of way?"

After several debates on turning right at junctions, green traffic
lights, single-lane roads with passing places, etc, I gave up.

The answer he was hoping for, but didn't get, was "pedestrians".

Stross

Disclaimer: Just because I still believe this whether I'm in pedestrian,
cyclist or cager mode, this does not imply that he wasn't just talking
complete bolix. And talking bolix may be hereditary.

Stross wrote:
..... And talking bolix may be hereditary.

so are crowing cocks.
--

Martin Bulmer

Steven said:

This is undoubtably true.

And is why I always move to the centre of the carriageway whenever I stop at a
pedestrian crossing.

He he. You and me both.

A friend (Who is now sadly bent-less) commented the other day that I
have the same habit he used to have. Recumbents have a strange ability
to suddenly become larger without any obvious change taking place.

Jon

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iakobski said:

The problem is, when a cyclist stops at a zebra crossing, they are
often (illegally) passed by cars and motorcycles. This is probably down
to the fact that many drivers do not consider cycles as traffic.

I understood the Highway code said something like
You must not pass the leading motor vehicle.
Which implies it is ok to pass peddle bikes.

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So what happens is either the pedestrian still has to wait, in which
case the cycle could have passed anyway, or worse they will start to
cross (obscured by the cyclist) and have to jump out of the way of
another vehicle. When that happens, it would have been safer not to
stop.

I regularly stop at a zebra on my way home, and the amazement on the
faces of some pedestrians is priceless.

What I really hate is when you see a pedestrian approaching a zebra
crossing in the distance, so you slow down, and then they don't cross,
and wait for you to stop, even though they had plenty of time to get
accross.

When I am walking, I very rarely wait more than a second or two at
zebras.

One thing I have started doing, is if I am on foot, and get to a pelican
crossing, and I am not in a hurry, see if any cyclists are approaching,
and wait until they are nearly there[1] before I press the button.

[1] i.e. close enough so that they won't have to stop.

Martin.

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I understood the Highway code said something like
You must not pass the leading motor vehicle.
Which implies it is ok to pass peddle bikes.

Why don't you look it up instead of spouting rubbish?

As I said before, it's illegal, and it's clear, there's no need to look
for implication:

"167: You MUST NOT park on a crossing or in the area covered by the
zig-zag lines. You MUST NOT overtake the moving vehicle nearest the
crossing or the vehicle nearest the crossing which has stopped to give
way to pedestrians.
Laws ZPPPCRGD regs 18, 20 & 24, RTRA sect 25(5) & TSRGD reg 10, 27 & 28
"

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iakobski said:

The problem is, when a cyclist stops at a zebra crossing, they are
often (illegally) passed by cars and motorcycles. This is probably
down to the fact that many drivers do not consider cycles as traffic.

I understood the Highway code said something like
You must not pass the leading motor vehicle.
Which implies it is ok to pass peddle bikes.

Well here it is, rule 167. Where is the word 'motor' in this paragraph?

"167: You MUST NOT park on a crossing or in the area covered by the
zig-zag lines. You MUST NOT overtake the moving vehicle nearest the
crossing or the vehicle nearest the crossing which has stopped to give
way to pedestrians.
Laws ZPPPCRGD regs 18, 20 & 24, RTRA sect 25(5) & TSRGD reg 10, 27 & 28"
See: <URL:http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/18.htm>

I suggest it's time you took your driving test again.

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;; knowledge increaseth sorrow.." - Ecclesiastes 1:18