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  1. US Sniper Takes Out Insurgent at 1,250 Meters

    Toby Harnden in Ramadi
    The Telegraph (UK)

    Gazing through the telescopic sight of his M24 rifle, Staff Sgt Jim
    Gilliland, leader of Shadow sniper team, fixed his eye on the Iraqi
    insurgent who had just killed an American soldier.

    His quarry stood nonchalantly in the fourth-floor bay window of a
    hospital in battle-torn Ramadi, still clasping a long-barreled
    Kalashnikov. Instinctively allowing for wind speed and bullet drop,
    Shadow's commander aimed 12 feet high.

    A single shot hit the Iraqi in the chest and killed him instantly. It
    had been fired from a range of 1,250 meters, well beyond the capacity of
    the powerful Leupold sight, accurate to 1,000 meters.

    "I believe it is the longest confirmed kill in Iraq with a 7.62mm
    rifle," said Staff Sgt Gilliland, 28, who hunted squirrels in Double
    Springs, Alabama from the age of five before progressing to deer - and
    then people.

    "He was visible only from the waist up. It was a one in a million shot.
    I could probably shoot a whole box of ammunition and never hit him
    again."

    Later that day, Staff Sgt Gilliland found out that the dead soldier was
    Staff Sgt Jason Benford, 30, a good friend.

    The insurgent was one of between 55 and 65 he estimates that he has shot
    dead in less than five months, putting him within striking distance of
    sniper legends such as Carlos Hathcock, who recorded 93 confirmed kills
    in Vietnam. One of his men, Specialist Aaron Arnold, 22, of Medway,
    Ohio, has chalked up a similar tally.

    "It was elating, but only afterwards," said Staff Sgt Gilliland,
    recalling the September 27 shot. "At the time, there was no high-fiving.
    You've got troops under fire, taking casualties and you're not thinking
    about anything other than finding a target and putting it down. Every
    shot is for the betterment of our cause."

    All told, the 10-strong Shadow sniper team, attached to Task Force 2/69,
    has killed just under 200 in the same period and emerged as the US
    Army's secret weapon in Ramadi against the threat of the hidden
    Improvised Explosive Device (IED) or roadside bomb - the insurgency's
    deadliest tactic.

    Above the spot from which Staff Sgt Gilliland took his record shot, in a
    room at the top of a bombed-out observation post which is code-named
    Hotel and known jokingly to soldiers as the Ramadi Inn, are daubed "Kill
    Them All" and "Kill Like you Mean it".

    On another wall are scrawled the words of Senator John McCain: "America
    is great not because of what she has done for herself but because of
    what she has done for others."

    The juxtaposition of macho slogans and noble political rhetoric
    encapsulates the dirty, dangerous and often callous job the sniper has
    to carry out as an integral part of a campaign ultimately being waged to
    help the Iraqi people.

    With masterful understatement, Lt Col Robert Roggeman, the Task Force
    2/69 commander, conceded: "The romantic in me is disappointed with the
    reception we've received in Ramadi," a town of 400,000 on the banks of
    the Euphrates where graffiti boasts, with more than a degree of
    accuracy: "This is the graveyard of the Americans".

    "We're the outsiders, the infidels," he said. "Every time somebody goes
    out that main gate he might not come back. It's still a running gun
    battle."

    Highly effective though they are, he worries about the burden his
    snipers have to bear. "It's a very God-like role. They have the power of
    life and death that, if not held in check, can run out of control.
    Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

    "Every shot has to be measured against the Rules of Engagement [ROE],
    positive identification and proportionality."

    Staff Sgt Gilliland explains that his Shadow team operates at the
    "borderlines" of the ROE, making snap judgments about whether a figure
    in the crosshairs is an insurgent or not.

    "Hunters give their animals respect," he said, spitting out a mouthful
    of chewing tobacco. "If you have no respect for what you do you're not
    going to be very good or you're going to make a mistake. We try to give
    the benefit of the doubt.

    "You've got to live with it. It's on your conscience. It's something
    you've got to carry away with you. And if you shoot somebody just
    walking down the street, then that's probably going to haunt you."

    Although killing with a single shot carries an enormous cachet within
    the sniper world, their most successful engagements have involved the
    shooting a up to 10 members of a single IED team.

    "The one-shot-one-kill thing is one of beauty but killing all the bad
    dudes is even more attractive," said Staff Sgt Gilliland, whose motto is
    "Move fast, shoot straight and leave the rest to the counselors in 10
    years" and signs off his e-mails with "silent souls make.308 holes".

    Whether Shadow team's work will ultimately make a difference in Iraq is
    open to question. No matter how many insurgents they shoot, there seems
    no shortage of recruits to plant bombs.

    Col John Gronski, the overall United States commander in Ramadi, said
    there could not be a military solution. "You could spend years putting
    snipers out and killing IED emplacers and at the political level it
    would make no difference."

    As they prepare to leave Iraq, however, Staff Sgt Gilliland and his men
    hope that they have bought a little more time for the country's
    politicians to fix peace and stability in their sights.

    --
    Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/

  2. WillBrink said:

    US Sniper Takes Out Insurgent at 1,250 Meters

    Toby Harnden in Ramadi
    The Telegraph (UK)

    Gazing through the telescopic sight of his M24 rifle, Staff Sgt Jim
    Gilliland, leader of Shadow sniper team, fixed his eye on the Iraqi
    insurgent who had just killed an American soldier.

    His quarry stood nonchalantly in the fourth-floor bay window of a
    hospital in battle-torn Ramadi, still clasping a long-barreled
    Kalashnikov. Instinctively allowing for wind speed and bullet drop,
    Shadow's commander aimed 12 feet high.

    A single shot hit the Iraqi in the chest and killed him instantly. It
    had been fired from a range of 1,250 meters, well beyond the capacity of
    the powerful Leupold sight, accurate to 1,000 meters.

    Very good. But a Canadian sniper in Afghanistan beat Carlos
    Hathcock's record kill shot using a .50 BMG rifle: 2,430 meters.

  3. David Cohen wrote:

    re US Sniper Takes Out Insurgent at 1,250 Meters

    and "a single shot hit the Iraqi in the chest killing him instantly" -
    how on earth would anyone know that it killed him 'instantly'?

    [...]

    Quoted message said:

    It's a true story. I've seen it referenced in a number
    of reliable sources.

    True it may be, however the "killing him instantly" is a bit of
    artistic or poetic license that the author of the article allowed
    himself. Who needs a sniper at 1250m if you have a medic on site to
    state unequivocally that the target died instantly?

    Use your brain.

    --
    Curt
    http://curtjames.com/

  4. On 25 Feb 2006 02:15:24 -0800, "David Cohen" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    It's a true story. I've seen it referenced in a number of reliable
    sources.

    If it were true, it wouldn't be claiming a record, when a canadian
    outshot him by more than 100yards.

  5. On 25 Feb 2006 03:33:58 -0800, "David Cohen" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    And I didn't intend to make you laugh. If I wanted to do that, i'd tell
    you a joke.

    Or send him your pic...

  6. JMW said:

    Only five made it through
    the troll filters.

    You mean ALLEGED troll filters.

    Quoted message said:

    I doubt I missed much.

    OTOH, I doubt you absorbed anything.

  7. J M Weak-willed said:

    I just downloaded my MFW messages for the first time today.
    It flashed that 27 messages were available. Only five made
    it through the troll filters. I doubt I missed much.

    [censored].

    I remember an issue of the comic book Mystery in Space. Okay, remember
    may just be too strong a word. It could have been Journey into
    somethingsomething, but I do remember the story.

    One planet wanted to make contact with another planet. Despite spending
    outrageous sums of money on the project, Planet A could not get through
    Planet B's defenses - a force field which blew up any approaching
    spaceships.

    Finally, an inventor created a giant black box which Planet A place in
    orbit around Planet B. Eventually Planet B dropped it's forcefield
    because they HAD TO KNOW what was inside the black box.

    What was there?

    ....

    Nothing.

    Curiosity was stronger than any of the ships that Planet A had
    initially sent to break Planet B's forcefield. Likewise, there is no
    way possible - I strongly suspect - that ol' Jay Em has not read all 27
    messages. He's an ass with a need for attention.

    Nothing wrong with needing attention, of course, but it's ridiculous
    for him to make a comment even remotely suggesting he does not read
    each post. Too controlling and, yes, I'm certain that he's too
    weak-willed. A strong will requires the silent killfile. An even
    stronger will requires the ability to read and then simply let posts go
    unreplied. Jay Em impresses me as having neither.

    --
    Curt
    http://curtjames.com/

  8. Somebody said:

    Who give 2 tin [censored] whether he died instantly
    or flopped around like a carp out of water for
    10 minutes?

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6686538/

    Actually, flopping around like a carp out of water for 10 minutes (or
    hours) would be preferred. Ymmv.

    American soldiers having their limbs blown off require, imo, more than
    a simple, quick kill response. If it was my leg then I'd hope my
    assailant would encounter some serious flopping about.

    Hth.

    Quoted message said:

    Fact is, the bad guy's dead, the good guys win
    yet again!!

    But, yeah, define bad guys again. Are there Iraqis roaming the streets
    of Philadelphia, Los Angeles, Miami? If so, are they detonating suicide
    bombs or sniping at the locals? That's what I thought. Oh, and don't
    tell me that if the U.S. wasn't in Iraq that that would open the
    floodgates or increase the possibility for those same Iraqis to
    suddenly travel to the U.S.

    No.

    --
    Curt
    http://curtjames.com/

  9. Quoted message said:


    Who give 2 tin [censored] whether he died instantly or flopped around like
    a carp out of water for 10 minutes? Fact is, the bad guy's dead, the
    good guys win yet again!!

    First off WE are the bad guys, secondly he may not even be dead. The
    bullett could've dropped and hit him in the knee, dropping him
    instantly out of sight of the sniper.
    Idiots.

  10. On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 20:48:35 +1000, "David" <[email hidden]>
    wrote in misc.fitness.weights:

    Quoted message said:

    Just doesn't pass the sniff test - the article is obviously written as a
    piece of propagnada - reminds me of Jessica Lynch - you know how she emptied
    her rifle fighting off her attackers etc etc - there is no way that this
    article is not just a [censored] exercise in spin - Maybe a sniper bullet
    dropped that insurgent - that can't be proved - it's hearsay at best. Just
    read this [censored] - the quarry stood 'nonchalantly' - what a load of [censored]. How
    would you ever know if it was the insurgent who was standing nonchalantly
    was the one who killed 'his good friend'. It's propaganda pure and simple. A
    [censored] story that any intelligent person can see right through. Plus of course
    the insurgent 'died instantly', Don't make me laugh


    Ever see the results of a human hit with a .50 cal? You get hit in
    the hand by a .50 and you will probably die. You're basically talking
    "small artillery" with the .50 caliber.

  11. "John Hanson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 20:48:35 +1000, "David" <[email hidden]>
    wrote in misc.fitness.weights:

    Quoted message said:

    Just doesn't pass the sniff test - the article is obviously written as a
    piece of propagnada - reminds me of Jessica Lynch - you know how she
    emptied
    her rifle fighting off her attackers etc etc - there is no way that this
    article is not just a [censored] exercise in spin - Maybe a sniper bullet
    dropped that insurgent - that can't be proved - it's hearsay at best. Just
    read this [censored] - the quarry stood 'nonchalantly' - what a load of [censored].
    How
    would you ever know if it was the insurgent who was standing nonchalantly
    was the one who killed 'his good friend'. It's propaganda pure and simple.
    A
    [censored] story that any intelligent person can see right through. Plus of
    course
    the insurgent 'died instantly', Don't make me laugh


    Ever see the results of a human hit with a .50 cal? You get hit in
    the hand by a .50 and you will probably die. You're basically talking
    "small artillery" with the .50 caliber.

    I take your point. I was mainly talking about the entire story - the way it
    was written and the phrasing etc just looking like a piece of propaganda

  12. John Hanson said:

    Ever see the results of a human hit with a .50 cal? You get hit in
    the hand by a .50 and you will probably die. You're basically talking
    "small artillery" with the .50 caliber.

    I have the video, if any of you sickos want it.

    John Hanson

  13. Quoted message said:

    I have the video, if any of you sickos want it.

    I just got some new "kiddie" vids too, butt you can't have them until
    I *preview* them hee hee hee.

    JH

  14. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I have the video, if any of you sickos want it.

    I just got some new "kiddie" vids too, butt you can't have them until
    I *preview* them hee hee hee.

    John, tell me how it feels next year when you turn 13 and become a teenager

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