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  1. Lightning.Florida.been without a comp for a couple weeks. Went through hell
    with Dell..I had 5 days left on my warranty so they replaced the motherboard
    and power thingy(the unit with the fan)...still didnt work...so I bought a
    new Dell..still didnt work....my cable modem was trashed also.
    Anyways..word to the wise...those 10 dollar surge protectors DO NOT
    work...you have to get a better surge protector. I heard those battery
    backup ones are the way to go.

    Jim

  2. The $10 protectors is electrically equivalent to the $100
    protector AND equivalent to the battery backup protector.
    Protection is not the protector. An effective protection must
    connect to something different - the protection. How to
    identify ineffective protectors: 1) no dedicated connection
    less than 10 feet to earth ground AND 2) manufacturer avoids
    all mention of earthing.

    Effective protection, what it does, and why earthing is so
    essential was defined previously in "Pull the wall plug or
    not?" in nz.comp on 7 Sept 2004 at
    http://tinyurl.com/5ttwl

    Effective 'whole house' protectors are sold in Home Depot
    and Lowes. Effective protectors have brand names of
    reputation such as Intermatic, Leviton, Square D, GE, Siemens,
    Cutler Hammer, Polyphaser, Furse, etc. What was the brand
    name on that protector that has no earth ground connection?
    Effective 'whole house' protectors costs about $1 per
    protected appliance. How much for the undersized, overhyped,
    ineffective protector (ie. from Monster Cable) that so often
    promoted in electronic discount stores? $80 per ... ? 80
    times more money for a protector that does not even claim
    effective protection.

    Defined is an effective secondary protection system. Your
    primary protection system also requires inspection:
    http://www.tvtower.com/fpl.html

    Notice what every effective protection 'system' involves.
    Not big bucks. Not in a plug-in UPS. A protector is only as
    effective as its earth ground - which ineffective protectors
    don't want to discuss. Visit that above cited, previous
    discussion.

    JimR said:

    Lightning.Florida.been without a comp for a couple weeks. Went
    through hell with Dell..I had 5 days left on my warranty so they
    replaced the motherboard and power thingy(the unit with the
    fan)...still didnt work...so I bought a new Dell..still didnt
    work....my cable modem was trashed also. Anyways..word to the
    wise...those 10 dollar surge protectors DO NOT work...you have to
    get a better surge protector. I heard those battery backup ones
    are the way to go.

    Jim

  3. "JimR" <jremick@comcast> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Lightning.Florida.been without a comp for a couple weeks. Went through


    hell

    Quoted message said:

    with Dell..I had 5 days left on my warranty so they replaced the


    motherboard

    Quoted message said:

    and power thingy(the unit with the fan)...still didnt work...so I bought a
    new Dell..still didnt work....my cable modem was trashed also.
    Anyways..word to the wise...those 10 dollar surge protectors DO NOT
    work...you have to get a better surge protector. I heard those battery
    backup ones are the way to go.

    Jim

    Hmmmm......burning in hell....lightning strikes you in Florida (Go GOP!).

    Just a coincidence! 🙂

  4. "JimR" <jremick@comcast> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Lightning.Florida.been without a comp for a couple weeks. Went through
    hell with Dell..I had 5 days left on my warranty so they replaced the
    motherboard and power thingy(the unit with the fan)...still didnt
    work...so I bought a new Dell..still didnt work....my cable modem was
    trashed also.
    Anyways..word to the wise...those 10 dollar surge protectors DO NOT
    work...you have to get a better surge protector. I heard those battery
    backup ones are the way to go.

    Jim

    Can't you read boy??

    If you could, you would realize that your experience with Dell computers is
    similar to other dell owners.

    And how were the accents with your technical help?

  5. "Lester Long" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "JimR" <jremick@comcast> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Lightning.Florida.been without a comp for a couple weeks. Went through


    hell

    Quoted message said:

    with Dell..I had 5 days left on my warranty so they replaced the


    motherboard

    Quoted message said:

    and power thingy(the unit with the fan)...still didnt work...so I bought
    a
    new Dell..still didnt work....my cable modem was trashed also.
    Anyways..word to the wise...those 10 dollar surge protectors DO NOT
    work...you have to get a better surge protector. I heard those battery
    backup ones are the way to go.

    Jim

    Hmmmm......burning in hell....lightning strikes you in Florida (Go GOP!).

    Just a coincidence! 🙂

    Its a red state ;}

    Jim

  6. "Lee Michaels" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "JimR" <jremick@comcast> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Lightning.Florida.been without a comp for a couple weeks. Went through
    hell with Dell..I had 5 days left on my warranty so they replaced the
    motherboard and power thingy(the unit with the fan)...still didnt
    work...so I bought a new Dell..still didnt work....my cable modem was
    trashed also.
    Anyways..word to the wise...those 10 dollar surge protectors DO NOT
    work...you have to get a better surge protector. I heard those battery
    backup ones are the way to go.

    Jim

    Can't you read boy??

    If you could, you would realize that your experience with Dell computers
    is similar to other dell owners.

    And how were the accents with your technical help?

    It seemed like they were from India.

    Jim

  7. "JimR" <jremick@comcast> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    "Lester Long" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    "JimR" <jremick@comcast> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    Lightning.Florida.been without a comp for a couple weeks. Went through


    hell

    Quoted message said:

    with Dell..I had 5 days left on my warranty so they replaced the


    motherboard

    Quoted message said:

    and power thingy(the unit with the fan)...still didnt work...so I bought
    a
    new Dell..still didnt work....my cable modem was trashed also.
    Anyways..word to the wise...those 10 dollar surge protectors DO NOT
    work...you have to get a better surge protector. I heard those battery
    backup ones are the way to go.

    Hmmmm......burning in hell....lightning strikes you in Florida (Go GOP!).

    Just a coincidence! 🙂


    Its a red state ;}

    Jeb Bush is the only thing keeping God from washing Florida away with a
    Flood.

    David

  8. "David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "JimR" <jremick@comcast> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    "Lester Long" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    "JimR" <jremick@comcast> wrote
    > Lightning.Florida.been without a comp for a couple weeks. Went through
    hell
    > with Dell..I had 5 days left on my warranty so they replaced the
    motherboard
    > and power thingy(the unit with the fan)...still didnt work...so I
    > bought a
    > new Dell..still didnt work....my cable modem was trashed also.
    > Anyways..word to the wise...those 10 dollar surge protectors DO NOT
    > work...you have to get a better surge protector. I heard those battery
    > backup ones are the way to go.

    Hmmmm......burning in hell....lightning strikes you in Florida (Go
    GOP!).

    Just a coincidence! 🙂


    Its a red state ;}

    Jeb Bush is the only thing keeping God from washing Florida away with a
    Flood.

    David

    I actually kinda like Jeb...he's alot smarter than his presidential brother.

    Jim

  9. "Lee Michaels" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "JimR" <jremick@comcast> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Lightning.Florida.been without a comp for a couple weeks. Went through
    hell with Dell..I had 5 days left on my warranty so they replaced the
    motherboard and power thingy(the unit with the fan)...still didnt
    work...so I bought a new Dell..still didnt work....my cable modem was
    trashed also.
    Anyways..word to the wise...those 10 dollar surge protectors DO NOT
    work...you have to get a better surge protector. I heard those battery
    backup ones are the way to go.

    Jim

    Can't you read boy??

    If you could, you would realize that your experience with Dell computers


    is

    Quoted message said:

    similar to other dell owners.

    And how were the accents with your technical help?


    stfu

  10. JimR said:

    Lightning.Florida.been without a comp for a couple weeks. Went through hell
    with Dell..I had 5 days left on my warranty so they replaced the motherboard
    and power thingy(the unit with the fan)...still didnt work...so I bought a
    new Dell..still didnt work....my cable modem was trashed also.
    Anyways..word to the wise...those 10 dollar surge protectors DO NOT
    work...you have to get a better surge protector. I heard those battery
    backup ones are the way to go.

    Jim

    No surge protector is going to halt a bolt of lightning, Jim. They will,
    however, kill everything attached to them by giving the lightning more
    devices to burn up from the single point. Basically, aside from have
    some serious electrical work done on your place, the best defence is a
    good backup policy and home contents insurance that covers such
    instances. I'm surprised Dell helped at all, unless you purchased some
    sort of extra special warranty from them they are not responsible for
    repairing your computer in the event of fire, flood, or in this case
    lightning strike.

    That said, power conditioning appliances like those from APC can improve
    computer function and longevity, but that depends on your home wiring
    and the power grid you're on. Brownouts kill more hard drives than surges.

    Cheers,

    Ari

    --
    spammage trappage: replace fishies_ with yahoo

    I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my
    neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in
    hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone
    marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow
    transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor:
    http://www.abmdr.org.au/
    http://www.marrow.org/

  11. On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 01:11:04 GMT, "David" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:


    "Lee Michaels" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "JimR" <jremick@comcast> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Lightning.Florida.been without a comp for a couple weeks. Went through
    hell with Dell..I had 5 days left on my warranty so they replaced the
    motherboard and power thingy(the unit with the fan)...still didnt
    work...so I bought a new Dell..still didnt work....my cable modem was
    trashed also.
    Anyways..word to the wise...those 10 dollar surge protectors DO NOT
    work...you have to get a better surge protector. I heard those battery
    backup ones are the way to go.

    Jim

    Can't you read boy??

    If you could, you would realize that your experience with Dell computers


    is

    Quoted message said:

    similar to other dell owners.

    And how were the accents with your technical help?


    stfu


    That'll be you straight into the "bozo bin"!! ;o)

    Ugh! It's Monday!! ;o(

  12. "Charles" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 01:11:04 GMT, "David" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:


    "Lee Michaels" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "JimR" <jremick@comcast> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    > Lightning.Florida.been without a comp for a couple weeks. Went


    through

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > hell with Dell..I had 5 days left on my warranty so they replaced the
    > motherboard and power thingy(the unit with the fan)...still didnt
    > work...so I bought a new Dell..still didnt work....my cable modem was
    > trashed also.
    > Anyways..word to the wise...those 10 dollar surge protectors DO NOT
    > work...you have to get a better surge protector. I heard those


    battery

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > backup ones are the way to go.
    >
    > Jim

    Can't you read boy??

    If you could, you would realize that your experience with Dell


    computers

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    is

    Quoted message said:

    similar to other dell owners.

    And how were the accents with your technical help?


    stfu


    That'll be you straight into the "bozo bin"!! ;o)

    Ugh! It's Monday!! ;o(

    Unfortunately I think I might still be there - of course we know he only
    'pretend' killfiles

  13. On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 09:49:54 GMT, "David" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:


    "Charles" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 01:11:04 GMT, "David" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:


    "Lee Michaels" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    >
    > "JimR" <jremick@comcast> wrote in message
    > news:[email hidden]...
    > > Lightning.Florida.been without a comp for a couple weeks. Went


    through

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > hell with Dell..I had 5 days left on my warranty so they replaced the
    > > motherboard and power thingy(the unit with the fan)...still didnt
    > > work...so I bought a new Dell..still didnt work....my cable modem was
    > > trashed also.
    > > Anyways..word to the wise...those 10 dollar surge protectors DO NOT
    > > work...you have to get a better surge protector. I heard those


    battery

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > backup ones are the way to go.
    > >
    > > Jim
    >
    >
    > Can't you read boy??
    >
    > If you could, you would realize that your experience with Dell


    computers

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    is
    > similar to other dell owners.
    >
    > And how were the accents with your technical help?
    >
    >
    stfu


    That'll be you straight into the "bozo bin"!! ;o)

    Ugh! It's Monday!! ;o(

    Unfortunately I think I might still be there - of course we know he only
    'pretend' killfiles

    Frankly speaking we should not refer to the old "alleged Killfiles"
    surely Earnest!! ;o)

    Ugh! It's Monday - almost time for my workout, then it will all be
    OK!!

  14. "Charles" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 09:49:54 GMT, "David" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:


    "Charles" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 01:11:04 GMT, "David" <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    >
    >"Lee Michaels" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >news:[email hidden]...
    >>
    >> "JimR" <jremick@comcast> wrote in message
    >> news:[email hidden]...
    >> > Lightning.Florida.been without a comp for a couple weeks. Went


    through

    Quoted message said:

    >> > hell with Dell..I had 5 days left on my warranty so they replaced


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >> > motherboard and power thingy(the unit with the fan)...still didnt
    >> > work...so I bought a new Dell..still didnt work....my cable modem


    was

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >> > trashed also.
    >> > Anyways..word to the wise...those 10 dollar surge protectors DO


    NOT

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >> > work...you have to get a better surge protector. I heard those


    battery

    Quoted message said:

    >> > backup ones are the way to go.
    >> >
    >> > Jim
    >>
    >>
    >> Can't you read boy??
    >>
    >> If you could, you would realize that your experience with Dell


    computers

    Quoted message said:

    >is
    >> similar to other dell owners.
    >>
    >> And how were the accents with your technical help?
    >>
    >>
    >stfu
    >
    That'll be you straight into the "bozo bin"!! ;o)

    Ugh! It's Monday!! ;o(

    Unfortunately I think I might still be there - of course we know he only
    'pretend' killfiles

    Frankly speaking we should not refer to the old "alleged Killfiles"
    surely Earnest!! ;o)

    Ugh! It's Monday - almost time for my workout, then it will all be
    OK!!

    OK, I get it. You can be Frank while I'll be Ernest. Surely.

  15. On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:25:03 GMT, "David" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:


    "Charles" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 09:49:54 GMT, "David" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:


    "Charles" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    > On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 01:11:04 GMT, "David" <[email hidden]>
    > wrote:
    >
    > >
    > >"Lee Michaels" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > >news:[email hidden]...
    > >>
    > >> "JimR" <jremick@comcast> wrote in message
    > >> news:[email hidden]...
    > >> > Lightning.Florida.been without a comp for a couple weeks. Went
    through
    > >> > hell with Dell..I had 5 days left on my warranty so they replaced


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >> > motherboard and power thingy(the unit with the fan)...still didnt
    > >> > work...so I bought a new Dell..still didnt work....my cable modem


    was

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >> > trashed also.
    > >> > Anyways..word to the wise...those 10 dollar surge protectors DO


    NOT

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >> > work...you have to get a better surge protector. I heard those
    battery
    > >> > backup ones are the way to go.
    > >> >
    > >> > Jim
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> Can't you read boy??
    > >>
    > >> If you could, you would realize that your experience with Dell
    computers
    > >is
    > >> similar to other dell owners.
    > >>
    > >> And how were the accents with your technical help?
    > >>
    > >>
    > >stfu
    > >
    > That'll be you straight into the "bozo bin"!! ;o)
    >
    > Ugh! It's Monday!! ;o(

    Unfortunately I think I might still be there - of course we know he only
    'pretend' killfiles

    Frankly speaking we should not refer to the old "alleged Killfiles"
    surely Earnest!! ;o)

    Ugh! It's Monday - almost time for my workout, then it will all be
    OK!!

    OK, I get it. You can be Frank while I'll be Ernest. Surely.

    If I can be Frank, why are you calling me Shirley, Earnest? ;o)

    I feel better for my workout!! Roll on Friday!! ;o)

  16. What a surge protector does and what the UPS from APC does
    are both plain wrong. Surge protector was accurately
    described earlier. No ground (such as with so many
    ineffective plug-in protectors) means the protector provides a
    transient more destructive paths through the adjacent
    appliance.

    The protection inside the APC 'power conditioner' is the
    same circuit; does same thing. How does one know? Both power
    strip and APC are rated in joules - because they both have the
    same protection circuit.

    Meanwhile, brownouts are not destructive to electronics. I
    have been designing and debugging this stuff for too many
    decades to fall for that myth. Low voltage can cause digital
    electronics to become confused. And therefore digital
    electronics all have circuits to cut off (shutdown, power
    down, etc) when voltage falls too low - without damage.

    Effective transient protection is located where utilities
    enter the building so that protection already inside the
    computer is not overwhelmed. Anything that would work on it's
    power cord is already inside the computer. That APC UPS is
    for data protection. Data - not hardware - can be damaged by
    low voltages - blackouts and brownouts.

    Never seen an APC product that even claims the lightning
    protection advocated here. The APC product line does not
    even claim to protect from typically destructive transients.
    So they pretend that other and destructive transient does not
    exist. Effective protectors from responsible brand name
    manufacturers that cost less money were defined in an earlier
    post.

    spodosaurus said:


    JimR said:

    Lightning.Florida.been without a comp for a couple weeks. Went through hell
    with Dell..I had 5 days left on my warranty so they replaced the motherboard
    and power thingy(the unit with the fan)...still didnt work...so I bought a
    new Dell..still didnt work....my cable modem was trashed also.
    Anyways..word to the wise...those 10 dollar surge protectors DO NOT
    work...you have to get a better surge protector. I heard those battery
    backup ones are the way to go.

    Jim

    No surge protector is going to halt a bolt of lightning, Jim. They will,
    however, kill everything attached to them by giving the lightning more
    devices to burn up from the single point. Basically, aside from have
    some serious electrical work done on your place, the best defence is a
    good backup policy and home contents insurance that covers such
    instances. I'm surprised Dell helped at all, unless you purchased some
    sort of extra special warranty from them they are not responsible for
    repairing your computer in the event of fire, flood, or in this case
    lightning strike.

    That said, power conditioning appliances like those from APC can improve
    computer function and longevity, but that depends on your home wiring
    and the power grid you're on. Brownouts kill more hard drives than surges.

    Cheers,

    Ari

    --
    spammage trappage: replace fishies_ with yahoo

    I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my
    neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in
    hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone
    marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow
    transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor:
    http://www.abmdr.org.au/
    http://www.marrow.org/

  17. w_tom said:

    Never seen an APC product that even claims the lightning
    protection advocated here.

    Work on reading comprehension, tom: nowhere did I claim anything of the
    sort.

    --
    spammage trappage: replace fishies_ with yahoo

    I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my
    neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in
    hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone
    marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow
    transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor:
    http://www.abmdr.org.au/
    http://www.marrow.org/

  18. Spodosaurus is correct. He did not claim the APC 'power
    conditioner' provides lightning protection. And I never said
    he made that claim. Spodosaurus stated that "No surge
    protector is going to halt a bolt of lightning". Even
    protectors that do protect from lightning do not claim to
    'halt' lightning. And this is a discussion about computer
    damage due to lightning. What plug-in power conditioner halts
    lightning?

    The APC power conditioner recommendation does provide data
    protection. But it does not provide hardware protection from
    blackouts and brownouts. Brownouts and blackouts (which are
    also created when power is normally turned off) do not damage
    electronic appliances - as industry standards of 30 years ago
    demand. This a point made beyond context of this thread.

    The APC product does claim surge protection - but forgets to
    mention which type of surge it protects from. Typical of
    plug-in protectors, APC would actually have a consumer believe
    their product will stop, block, or absorb a bolt of
    lightning. They hope the OP believes his Dell could have been
    protected by that APC power conditioner. Both spodosaurus and
    I define that myth as false. In a discussion about a
    lightning damaged computer, protection from an APC power
    conditioner is irrelevant - not an effective solution.

    Meanwhile lightning bolts need not be destructive.
    Effective solutions do exist. The APC power conditioner does
    not accomplish a task that is the subject of this discussion.
    A properly earthed 'whole house' protector would provide that
    protection. Again, this is a discussion about lightning
    damaged computers. Even the APC power conditioner does not
    claim to provide protection as spodosaurus posted:

    Quoted message said:

    No surge protector is going to halt a bolt of lightning

    Its function is to protect data from blackouts and
    brownouts.

    spodosaurus said:
    w_tom said:

    Never seen an APC product that even claims the lightning
    protection advocated here.

    Work on reading comprehension, tom: nowhere did I claim anything
    of the sort.

  19. I did allude to having some electrical work done to the house in terms
    of lightning protection, but you put it better with the term "'whole
    house' protector". How much would it cost to have one of these installed
    (generally) and would it be cost effective in terms of paying for
    insurance to replace damaged components over the years (which I thought
    home and contents insurance did anyway)? I think we can both agree that
    a good backup strategy is important regardless (even if you're protected
    from a lightning strike, a thief can still walk off with your computer,
    among other potential causes for data loss).

    Cheers,

    Ari

    w_tom said:

    Spodosaurus is correct. He did not claim the APC 'power
    conditioner' provides lightning protection. And I never said
    he made that claim. Spodosaurus stated that "No surge
    protector is going to halt a bolt of lightning". Even
    protectors that do protect from lightning do not claim to
    'halt' lightning. And this is a discussion about computer
    damage due to lightning. What plug-in power conditioner halts
    lightning?

    The APC power conditioner recommendation does provide data
    protection. But it does not provide hardware protection from
    blackouts and brownouts. Brownouts and blackouts (which are
    also created when power is normally turned off) do not damage
    electronic appliances - as industry standards of 30 years ago
    demand. This a point made beyond context of this thread.

    The APC product does claim surge protection - but forgets to
    mention which type of surge it protects from. Typical of
    plug-in protectors, APC would actually have a consumer believe
    their product will stop, block, or absorb a bolt of
    lightning. They hope the OP believes his Dell could have been
    protected by that APC power conditioner. Both spodosaurus and
    I define that myth as false. In a discussion about a
    lightning damaged computer, protection from an APC power
    conditioner is irrelevant - not an effective solution.

    Meanwhile lightning bolts need not be destructive.
    Effective solutions do exist. The APC power conditioner does
    not accomplish a task that is the subject of this discussion.
    A properly earthed 'whole house' protector would provide that
    protection. Again, this is a discussion about lightning
    damaged computers. Even the APC power conditioner does not
    claim to provide protection as spodosaurus posted:

    Quoted message said:

    No surge protector is going to halt a bolt of lightning

    Its function is to protect data from blackouts and
    brownouts.

    spodosaurus said:
    w_tom said:

    Never seen an APC product that even claims the lightning
    protection advocated here.

    Work on reading comprehension, tom: nowhere did I claim anything
    of the sort.

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  20. On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 00:34:28 GMT, Joe Humble <[email hidden]>
    wrote in misc.fitness.weights:

    Quoted message said:
    w_tom said:

    The $10 protectors is electrically equivalent to the $100
    protector AND equivalent to the battery backup protector.
    Protection is not the protector. An effective protection must
    connect to something different - the protection. How to
    identify ineffective protectors: 1) no dedicated connection
    less than 10 feet to earth ground AND 2) manufacturer avoids
    all mention of earthing.

    Effective protection, what it does, and why earthing is so
    essential was defined previously in "Pull the wall plug or
    not?" in nz.comp on 7 Sept 2004 at
    http://tinyurl.com/5ttwl

    Effective 'whole house' protectors are sold in Home Depot
    and Lowes. Effective protectors have brand names of
    reputation such as Intermatic, Leviton, Square D, GE, Siemens,
    Cutler Hammer, Polyphaser, Furse, etc. What was the brand
    name on that protector that has no earth ground connection?
    Effective 'whole house' protectors costs about $1 per
    protected appliance. How much for the undersized, overhyped,
    ineffective protector (ie. from Monster Cable) that so often
    promoted in electronic discount stores? $80 per ... ? 80
    times more money for a protector that does not even claim
    effective protection.

    Defined is an effective secondary protection system. Your
    primary protection system also requires inspection:
    http://www.tvtower.com/fpl.html

    Notice what every effective protection 'system' involves.
    Not big bucks. Not in a plug-in UPS. A protector is only as
    effective as its earth ground - which ineffective protectors
    don't want to discuss. Visit that above cited, previous
    discussion.

    Never once in my whole life every had anything destroyed by lightning.
    I also never heard of anyone I know losing anything to lightning. I
    do hear warnings about it a lot, however.

    I'm thinking it is pretty rare to actually have stuff destroyed by
    lightning.

    And you are in Flushing, NY, which doesn't get anywhere near the
    amount of lightening like Jim gets in Florida which is the lightening
    capital of the world.

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