OT - More on Wal*Mart

I've never cared much for shopping at "Wally World." The last time I was in
one, I was not impressed with their selection or prices. Plus, when I read
about WalMart making its employees work 'off the clock' I decided that it
was one place I wouldn't patronize.

So, in answer to your post, I'm not surprised.

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Linda
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"FOB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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ECONOMY - WAL-MART IS NO BARGAIN: CBS News reports Americans are paying a
stiff price for bargains at the mega corporation Wal-Mart. According to a
recent University of California, Berkeley study, Wal-Mart actually takes a
lot more from communities than it gives back in low prices. "Because of

the

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low wages and because people do not have health insurance through their
employer, people rely on public support to make ends meet," says the
school's Ken Jacobs. In California, taxpayers pay an estimated $82-million

a

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year to take care of health care, food stamps, and other social services

for

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Wal-Mart employees.

People in CA pay a Hell of a lot more than that for the non-working
citizens, so I don't mind paying for people that are working. BTW
University of California, Berkeley, now there's a non biased study on
corportations. LOL

--
Cheri
Type 2, no meds for now.

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ECONOMY - WAL-MART IS NO BARGAIN: CBS News reports Americans are paying

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stiff price for bargains at the mega corporation Wal-Mart. According to

a

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recent University of California, Berkeley study, Wal-Mart actually

takes a

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lot more from communities than it gives back in low prices. "Because

of the

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low wages and because people do not have health insurance through their
employer, people rely on public support to make ends meet," says the
school's Ken Jacobs. In California, taxpayers pay an estimated

$82-million a

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year to take care of health care, food stamps, and other social

services for

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Wal-Mart employees.

The desirability of their selection is a matter of opinion, but you would be
hard-pressed to find any retailer that can match their prices. I'm not
saying we should shop there, but facts are facts.

"Lady o' the house" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I've never cared much for shopping at "Wally World." The last time I was

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one, I was not impressed with their selection or prices. Plus, when I

read

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about WalMart making its employees work 'off the clock' I decided that it
was one place I wouldn't patronize.

So, in answer to your post, I'm not surprised.

--
Linda
296/208/160
LC since Oct. 13, 2003
http://home.att.net/~lewis_linda/index.html

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ECONOMY - WAL-MART IS NO BARGAIN: CBS News reports Americans are paying

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stiff price for bargains at the mega corporation Wal-Mart. According to

a

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recent University of California, Berkeley study, Wal-Mart actually takes

a

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lot more from communities than it gives back in low prices. "Because of

the

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low wages and because people do not have health insurance through their
employer, people rely on public support to make ends meet," says the
school's Ken Jacobs. In California, taxpayers pay an estimated

$82-million

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year to take care of health care, food stamps, and other social services

for

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Wal-Mart employees.

"Cheri" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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People in CA pay a Hell of a lot more than that for the non-working
citizens, so I don't mind paying for people that are working. BTW
University of California, Berkeley, now there's a non biased study on
corportations. LOL

--
Cheri

Do you have any facts to prove that the University of California at Berkeley
is biased? Please cite them.

Pat in TX

Every newspaper in California on any given day. One of the most liberal,
ridiculous cities in the US. Santa Cruz and San Francisco run close
seconds though. LOL

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Cheri
Type 2, no meds for now.

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Do you have any facts to prove that the University of California at

Berkeley

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is biased? Please cite them.

Pat in TX

Cheri said:

Every newspaper in California on any given day. One of the most
liberal, ridiculous cities in the US. Santa Cruz and San Francisco
run close seconds though. LOL

Knee-jerk, content-free reply. LOL

Pastorio

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-- Cheri Type 2, no meds for now.

Pat wrote in message <[email hidden]>...

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Do you have any facts to prove that the University of California
at Berkeley is biased? Please cite them.

Pat in TX

LOL, you would be the expert on that, so I'll take your word on it. :-)

--
Cheri
Type 2, no meds for now.

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Cheri said:

Every newspaper in California on any given day. One of the most
liberal, ridiculous cities in the US. Santa Cruz and San Francisco
run close seconds though. LOL

Knee-jerk, content-free reply. LOL

Pastorio

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-- Cheri Type 2, no meds for now.

Pat wrote in message <[email hidden]>...

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Do you have any facts to prove that the University of California
at Berkeley is biased? Please cite them.

Pat in TX

"FOB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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ECONOMY - WAL-MART IS NO BARGAIN: CBS News reports Americans are paying a
stiff price for bargains at the mega corporation Wal-Mart. According to a
recent University of California, Berkeley study, Wal-Mart actually takes a
lot more from communities than it gives back in low prices. "Because of

the

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low wages and because people do not have health insurance through their
employer, people rely on public support to make ends meet," says the
school's Ken Jacobs. In California, taxpayers pay an estimated $82-million

a

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year to take care of health care, food stamps, and other social services

for

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Wal-Mart employees.

The bigger issue is all the smaller stores, and mom and pop shops gone
from the neighborhoods, some of which are now ghost towns. Is it worth the
cheaper prices? What happens when the net sellers put Walmart out of
business?
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JK Sinrod 6 years and 50 lbs Atkins guy
Sinrod Stained Glass Studios
www.sinrodstudios.com
Coney Island Memories
www.sinrodstudios.com/coneymemories

Yeah, same thing happened to a lot of the independent grocers when
supermarkets came to town. The times they do change. I would imagine
that the internet will have a huge impact before too long.
--
Cheri
Type 2, no meds for now.

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The bigger issue is all the smaller stores, and mom and pop shops

gone

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from the neighborhoods, some of which are now ghost towns. Is it worth

the

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cheaper prices? What happens when the net sellers put Walmart out of
business?
--
JK Sinrod 6 years and 50 lbs Atkins guy
Sinrod Stained Glass Studios
www.sinrodstudios.com
Coney Island Memories
www.sinrodstudios.com/coneymemories

FOB said:

ECONOMY - WAL-MART IS NO BARGAIN: CBS News reports Americans are paying a
stiff price for bargains at the mega corporation Wal-Mart. According to a
recent University of California, Berkeley study, Wal-Mart actually takes a
lot more from communities than it gives back in low prices. "Because of the
low wages and because people do not have health insurance through their
employer, people rely on public support to make ends meet," says the
school's Ken Jacobs. In California, taxpayers pay an estimated $82-million a
year to take care of health care, food stamps, and other social services for
Wal-Mart employees.

This is not unique by any means to the large companies -- it just gets
the majority of the media attention and public scrutiny. Most mid
sized corporations and small businesses aren't exactly known either
for their top notch benefits and wages when it comes to jobs that can
be easily filled by unskilled/low skill workers.

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recent University of California, Berkeley study, Wal-Mart actually takes a
lot more from communities than it gives back in low prices. "Because of the
low wages and because people do not have health insurance through their
employer, people rely on public support to make ends meet," says the
school's Ken Jacobs. In California, taxpayers pay an estimated $82-million a
year to take care of health care, food stamps, and other social services for
Wal-Mart employees.

Yep, all true. I know of many people who have worked there. One gal who worked
in the pharmacy said that over half the employees would be filling out welfare
papers in the lunch room. Very few employees have health insurance. And.. get
this--Walmart takes out a life insurance policy on all employess. This is sick.
When they die, Walmart gets something like 35g. I *hate* Walmart.

There are lots of issues surrounding Walmart's business practices. And they
are not alone.

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jk <[email hidden]> stated
| "FOB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
| news:[email hidden]...
|| ECONOMY - WAL-MART IS NO BARGAIN: CBS News reports Americans are
|| paying a stiff price for bargains at the mega corporation Wal-Mart.
|| According to a recent University of California, Berkeley study,
|| Wal-Mart actually takes a lot more from communities than it gives
|| back in low prices. "Because of the low wages and because people do
|| not have health insurance through their employer, people rely on
|| public support to make ends meet," says the school's Ken Jacobs. In
|| California, taxpayers pay an estimated $82-million a year to take
|| care of health care, food stamps, and other social services for
|| Wal-Mart employees.
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| The bigger issue is all the smaller stores, and mom and pop shops
| gone from the neighborhoods, some of which are now ghost towns. Is it
| worth the cheaper prices? What happens when the net sellers put
| Walmart out of business?
| --
| JK Sinrod 6 years and 50 lbs Atkins guy
| Sinrod Stained Glass Studios
| www.sinrodstudios.com
| Coney Island Memories
| www.sinrodstudios.com/coneymemories

"Cheri" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Every newspaper in California on any given day. One of the most liberal,
ridiculous cities in the US. Santa Cruz and San Francisco run close
seconds though. LOL

--
Cheri

So, what I get out of your post is that, no, you don't have any proof; we're
all just to believe what you say because you say it.
GIGO

Pat in TX

Iit must be different in the States, because here in Canada Wal-Mart tends
to raise the local average wage, they offer health insurance above the
provincial health insurance, along with profit sharing and many other
benefits. I'm not saying they pay a lot, but given the choice between a fast
food joint and Wal-Mart, I'm much happier at Wal-Mart. Working off the clock
is a big no-no, whereas at McDonald's (I was there for 8 years off and on,
and the last three as a manager) they capped your hours but still expected
the work to get done.
Just my 2 cents...
Michelle in Gander

"FOB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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ECONOMY - WAL-MART IS NO BARGAIN: CBS News reports Americans are paying a
stiff price for bargains at the mega corporation Wal-Mart. According to a
recent University of California, Berkeley study, Wal-Mart actually takes a
lot more from communities than it gives back in low prices. "Because of

the

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low wages and because people do not have health insurance through their
employer, people rely on public support to make ends meet," says the
school's Ken Jacobs. In California, taxpayers pay an estimated $82-million

a

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year to take care of health care, food stamps, and other social services

for

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Wal-Mart employees.

I think you're missing one of the points. The company makes profits, doesn't
pay it's employees enough money to survive, top company execs. make millions
of dollars and you and I pay to supplement the employee. 97% of the wealth
in the US is controlled by 1% of the population.

I remember a few years ago 60 minutes did a story about a walmart in Georgia
(I think). From what I can remember (I seem to only retain water these days)
they wanted to open a mega store, the town fought and lost claiming it would
put the small to mid size business to close down. The town lost and most
businesses closed, then the locals didn't have money to shop, so they
walmarts sales at that store went down and they closed the store, laying off
what few people were still working in the town.

We should always remember that Liberals gave us Medicare and social
security.

"Cheri" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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People in CA pay a Hell of a lot more than that for the non-working
citizens, so I don't mind paying for people that are working. BTW
University of California, Berkeley, now there's a non biased study on
corportations. LOL

--
Cheri
Type 2, no meds for now.

FOB wrote in message ...

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ECONOMY - WAL-MART IS NO BARGAIN: CBS News reports Americans are paying

a

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stiff price for bargains at the mega corporation Wal-Mart. According to

a

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recent University of California, Berkeley study, Wal-Mart actually

takes a

Quoted message said:

lot more from communities than it gives back in low prices. "Because

of the

Quoted message said:

low wages and because people do not have health insurance through their
employer, people rely on public support to make ends meet," says the
school's Ken Jacobs. In California, taxpayers pay an estimated

$82-million a

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year to take care of health care, food stamps, and other social

services for

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Wal-Mart employees.

Concordia said:

FOB said:

ECONOMY - WAL-MART IS NO BARGAIN: CBS News reports Americans are paying a
stiff price for bargains at the mega corporation Wal-Mart. According to a
recent University of California, Berkeley study, Wal-Mart actually takes a
lot more from communities than it gives back in low prices. "Because of the
low wages and because people do not have health insurance through their
employer, people rely on public support to make ends meet," says the
school's Ken Jacobs. In California, taxpayers pay an estimated $82-million a
year to take care of health care, food stamps, and other social services for
Wal-Mart employees.

This is not unique by any means to the large companies -- it just gets
the majority of the media attention and public scrutiny. Most mid
sized corporations and small businesses aren't exactly known either
for their top notch benefits and wages when it comes to jobs that can
be easily filled by unskilled/low skill workers.

Excellent points.

Startup companies also have first a struggle to survive and then the
struggle to provide fringe benifits has to be faced.

It often seems to work out that the small company can't afford to pay
much in employee health benefits.... they are so darned expensive.

It isn[t unusual for the health care plans to cost companies as much as
$10,000 per employee today.

Fifteen years ago, a health care plan cost only about $3,500 per year
per employee.

Jim

Cheri said:

LOL, you would be the expert on that, so I'll take your word on it. :-)

You don't need a weatherman to see which way the wind blows.

Pastorio

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--
Cheri
Type 2, no meds for now.

Bob (this one) wrote in message <[email hidden]>...

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Cheri said:

Every newspaper in California on any given day. One of the most
liberal, ridiculous cities in the US. Santa Cruz and San Francisco
run close seconds though. LOL

Knee-jerk, content-free reply. LOL

Pastorio

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-- Cheri Type 2, no meds for now.

Pat wrote in message <[email hidden]>...

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>Do you have any facts to prove that the University of California
>at Berkeley is biased? Please cite them.
>
>Pat in TX

Eva said:

I think you're missing one of the points. The company makes profits, doesn't
pay it's employees enough money to survive, top company execs. make millions
of dollars and you and I pay to supplement the employee. 97% of the wealth
in the US is controlled by 1% of the population.

Where's the conservative congress and president during all this? What
are they doing to prevent or ameliorate these shameful conditions? How
are they protecting the taxpayers from this sort of exploitation? How
many of that 1% have connections to the White House?

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I remember a few years ago 60 minutes did a story about a walmart in Georgia
(I think). From what I can remember (I seem to only retain water these days)
they wanted to open a mega store, the town fought and lost claiming it would
put the small to mid size business to close down. The town lost and most
businesses closed, then the locals didn't have money to shop, so they
walmarts sales at that store went down and they closed the store, laying off
what few people were still working in the town.

We should always remember that Liberals gave us Medicare and social
security.

Another thing we should remember is to try to make sentences that have
*something* to do with what came before them. And that not everything
is about the pejoratively intended labels that seem to fly so freely
nowadays.

We should always remember that conservatives deregulated the Savings
and loans, phone companies and airlines to the detriment of the
taxpayers and users of those services. The S&L fiasco cost more than
$200 billion. The airlines have been holding on by their fingernails
for more than a decade and the biggest went under. They also created
the biggest deficits in history including the present one that was a
surplus three years ago.

See how stupid it *all* sounds even though it has a nucleus of truth?
The real fact is that congress did all that stuff and we all sent our
elected officials to work for us. Don't like what they did? Elect
people who will change it.

But more important is to quit demonizing anyone who doesn't agree with
you. So Medicare and Social Security are bad things? I bet the people
in that town above think they're pretty good things. And unemployment
insurance, too. Compassionate conservatism. Right. Compassionate.

It's all smoke and mirrors. All of it.

Pastorio

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"Cheri" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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People in CA pay a Hell of a lot more than that for the non-working
citizens, so I don't mind paying for people that are working. BTW
University of California, Berkeley, now there's a non biased study on
corportations. LOL

--
Cheri
Type 2, no meds for now.

FOB wrote in message ...

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ECONOMY - WAL-MART IS NO BARGAIN: CBS News reports Americans are paying

a

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stiff price for bargains at the mega corporation Wal-Mart. According to

a

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recent University of California, Berkeley study, Wal-Mart actually

takes a

Quoted message said:

lot more from communities than it gives back in low prices. "Because

of the

Quoted message said:

low wages and because people do not have health insurance through their
employer, people rely on public support to make ends meet," says the
school's Ken Jacobs. In California, taxpayers pay an estimated

$82-million a

Quoted message said:

year to take care of health care, food stamps, and other social

services for

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Wal-Mart employees.

"Michelle in Gander" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Iit must be different in the States, because here in Canada Wal-Mart tends
to raise the local average wage, they offer health insurance above the
provincial health insurance, along with profit sharing and many other
benefits. I'm not saying they pay a lot, but given the choice between a

fast

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food joint and Wal-Mart, I'm much happier at Wal-Mart. Working off the

clock

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is a big no-no, whereas at McDonald's (I was there for 8 years off and on,
and the last three as a manager) they capped your hours but still expected
the work to get done.
Just my 2 cents...
Michelle in Gander

Most people I know here in the states that work full time at WalMart and
have
worked there for some time have a fairly good wage considering skill level
of the
job, all have health benefits, and profit sharing. Not up to the standards
set by
manufacturing or technology jobs, but I am not sure where this [censored]
about
low pay/no benifits/etc come from.

BJ