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  1. A shot in the dark that as this NG has the most well informed
    members of the ones I read, someone may be able to help, Google
    don't seem to want to so far, but I suppose it will be weeks
    before any chance of an answer from them.

    I submitted my websites to "Google Directory" a while ago. I've
    had good Google listings for years, suddenly nearly all my good
    ranking disappear (sites still there, just not ranked well).
    Anyway, the one remaining good ranking had odd description, words
    not on my web page. Strange. So I Googled for those words and it
    took me to Google Directory, the words used were my description
    to Google.
    My theory is that as Google uses the directory info (documented)
    in search calculations it is only listing my site when query
    matches my submitted description.
    So,
    A How the hell do you withdraw from Google Directory?
    B Is my theory nonsense?

    BTW you might like to know the students not irritate
    rec.travel.europe with west highland way questions.
    --
    Mike Reid
    Wasdale-Thames path-London-Photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
    Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap

  2. The infamous The Reids was quoted in the papers as saying in
    <[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    I submitted my websites to "Google Directory" a while ago. I've
    had good Google listings for years, suddenly nearly all my good
    ranking disappear (sites still there, just not ranked well).
    Anyway, the one remaining good ranking had odd description, words
    not on my web page. Strange. So I Googled for those words and it
    took me to Google Directory, the words used were my description
    to Google.

    Google info:
    http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/6-10-2005-71368.asp

    SEO stuff:
    www.spider-food.net

    HTH
    --
    One man, One Camera and a Demented Vision:

    www.CelticShadows.co.uk

  3. On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 14:02:29 +0100, The Reids <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    | A shot in the dark that as this NG has the most well informed
    | members of the ones I read, someone may be able to help, Google
    | don't seem to want to so far, but I suppose it will be weeks
    | before any chance of an answer from them.
    |
    | I submitted my websites to "Google Directory" a while ago. I've
    | had good Google listings for years, suddenly nearly all my good
    | ranking disappear (sites still there, just not ranked well).
    | Anyway, the one remaining good ranking had odd description, words
    | not on my web page. Strange. So I Googled for those words and it
    | took me to Google Directory, the words used were my description
    | to Google.
    | My theory is that as Google uses the directory info (documented)
    | in search calculations it is only listing my site when query
    | matches my submitted description.
    | So,
    | A How the hell do you withdraw from Google Directory?
    | B Is my theory nonsense?
    |
    | BTW you might like to know the students not irritate
    | rec.travel.europe with west highland way questions.

    Mine has dropped from first to second :-)

    Have you filled in the
    <title>
    <meta name="Classification"
    <meta name="keywords" content=
    <meta name="Description"
    on every page?

    Google uses all these, but be careful not to over egg the pudding,
    IIRC 100 chars max

    --
    Dave Fawthrop <dave hyphenologist co uk> http://www.webshots.com
    Thousands of wonderful professional photos for your Wallpaper and
    Screensaver. also 200,000 amateur pics. Four new pics each day.

  4. On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 14:02:29 +0100, The Reids <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    | A shot in the dark that as this NG has the most well informed
    | members of the ones I read, someone may be able to help, Google
    | don't seem to want to so far, but I suppose it will be weeks
    | before anymy websites to "Google Directory" a while ago. I've
    | had good Google listings for years, suddenly nearly all my good
    | ranking disappear (sites still there, just not ranked well).
    | Anyway, the one remaining good ranking had odd description, words
    | not on my web page. Strange. So I Googled for those words and it
    | took me to Google Directory, the words used were my description
    | to Google.
    | My theory is that as Google uses the directory info (documented)
    | in search calculations it is only listing my site when query
    | matches my submitted description.
    | So,
    | A How the hell do you withdraw from Google Directory?
    | B Is my theory nonsense?
    |
    | BTW you might like to know the students not irritate
    | rec.travel.europe with west highland way questions.
    chance of an answer from them.
    |
    | I submitted
    Mine has dropped from first to second :-)

    Have you filled in the
    <title>
    <meta name="Classification"
    <meta name="keywords" content=
    <meta name="Description"
    on every page?

    Google uses all these, but be careful not to over egg the pudding,
    IIRC 1000 chars max

    --
    Dave Fawthrop <dave hyphenologist co uk> http://www.webshots.com
    Thousands of wonderful professional photos for your Wallpaper and
    Screensaver. also 200,000 amateur pics. Four new pics each day.

  5. Following up to Dave Fawthrop

    Quoted message said:

    Have you filled in the
    <title>
    <meta name="Classification"
    <meta name="keywords" content=
    <meta name="Description"
    on every page?

    They are the same as they were when the sites were 1 or 2 on a
    numbers of keywords.
    --
    Mike Reid
    Wasdale-Thames path-London-Photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
    Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap

  6. Following up to The Reids

    Quoted message said:

    They are the same as they were when the sites were 1 or 2 on a
    numbers of keywords.

    its interesting that one of my three sites is still fine and
    Google finds individual pages. The other two it only finds the
    index page. All three are on the same ISP. Maybe a tech fault
    stopped other than index page getting Googled? But its
    interesting the site thats getting Googled OK was not submitted
    to the Directory.
    --
    Mike Reid
    Wasdale-Thames path-London-Photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
    Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap

  7. The Reids wrote on Mon, 20 Jun 2005 14:02:29 +0100....

    Quoted message said:


    I submitted my websites to "Google Directory" a while ago. I've
    had good Google listings for years, suddenly nearly all my good
    ranking disappear (sites still there, just not ranked well).
    Anyway, the one remaining good ranking had odd description, words
    not on my web page. Strange. So I Googled for those words and it
    took me to Google Directory, the words used were my description
    to Google.
    My theory is that as Google uses the directory info (documented)
    in search calculations it is only listing my site when query
    matches my submitted description.
    So,
    A How the hell do you withdraw from Google Directory?

    As I understand it, the Google Directory is not really organised by
    Google themselves. It takes data from the Open Directory, which is run
    by a network of volunteers. See <http://dmoz.org/about.html>

    I suppose you could find your entry in the Open Directory, then go
    through the "update listing" procedure. This doesn't seem to
    specifically allow for withdrawing your site, but I think most changes
    go to an editor for review so there's a reasonable chance they'll act on
    your request. That would then feed through to the Google Directory in
    due course.

    Quoted message said:

    B Is my theory nonsense?

    Yes, I suspect it might be. The reason you've dropped down the listings
    in the normal Google search engine (not the Directory) will be to do
    with Google's complex algorithm for determining the relevance of your
    site against the keywords searched. And how that compares with other
    sites that have moved up the listings.

    The algorithm includes how prominent the keywords concerned are on your
    own site. And it particularly includes how many other sites link to
    you, what keywords they use in their link to you, and how popular those
    sites are themselves.

    I don't know, but I suppose it's possible that the keywords that are
    used in the Directory might improve your rating when people search on
    those keywords. But if so, then consider the likely result if you
    withdraw from the Directory. It seems to me that you'll then get a
    worse rating for those keywords, and no improvement for any other
    keywords. You'd be worse off, not better off, so I wouldn't do it.

    The other use that Google makes of the Open Directory is that if you are
    listed in it then the results of a normal Google search will include the
    description of your site that the Open Directory editor drafted. If you
    think that description is inaccurate, you can ask for it to be changed
    (again, using the "update listing" procedure). But the editor is
    unlikely to do anything unless he/she agrees that the new description is
    more appropriate to help people using the Directory. Just asking for
    changes to improve your Google rating probably won't meet with approval.

    Quoted message said:

    BTW you might like to know the students not irritate
    rec.travel.europe with west highland way questions.

    "Not irritate"? Do you mean they "no longer" irritate r.t.e, or that
    they "now irritate" r.t.e?

    --
    Tim Jackson
    [email hidden]
    (Change '.invalid' to '.co.uk' to reply direct)
    Absurd patents: visit http://www.patent.freeserve.co.uk

  8. Faolan wrote on Mon, 20 Jun 2005 14:21:56 +0100....

    Quoted message said:

    Google info:
    http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/6-10-2005-71368.asp

    This is interesting, but it doesn't necessarily follow that everything
    stated in the patent application mentioned is actually used by Google in
    practice. Some of it might not be.

    --
    Tim Jackson
    [email hidden]
    (Change '.invalid' to '.co.uk' to reply direct)
    Absurd patents: visit http://www.patent.freeserve.co.uk

  9. Dave Fawthrop said:


    Have you filled in the
    <title>
    <meta name="Classification"
    <meta name="keywords" content=
    <meta name="Description"
    on every page?

    Google uses all these, but be careful not to over egg the pudding,

    Really? I'm sure it mentions somewhere that these aren't used, or are
    given a low score, due to being sued to try to get high scores.

    I can't find it now of course.
    --
    Stop ID cards and the Database State
    http://www.no2id.net/

  10. "The Reids" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    its interesting that one of my three sites is still fine and
    Google finds individual pages. The other two it only finds the
    index page.

    I have this issue too, Google only lists my index page, although it has
    added a couple more pages in the last few weeks. In contrast MSN list about
    550!

    I thought it was just me being a muppet...does anybody know what the cause
    of this is?

    TIA

    Lee
    ________________

    http://lee-perry.co.uk

  11. The Reids wrote:

    y?

    Quoted message said:

    B Is my theory nonsense?

    BTW you might like to know the students not irritate
    rec.travel.europe with west highland way questions.


    Shhhhh. Don't mention them. They haven't been around for a while.

    Katherine

  12. Following up to "Lee Perry" <leeperry1979(nospam)@msn.com>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    its interesting that one of my three sites is still fine and
    Google finds individual pages. The other two it only finds the
    index page.

    with more checking I see other pages are there, but ranked *very*
    badly when last week they were Ist or 2nd place.
    --
    Mike Reid
    Wasdale-Thames path-London-Photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
    Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap

  13. Following up to Tim Jackson

    Quoted message said:

    I suppose you could find your entry in the Open Directory, then go
    through the "update listing" procedure. This doesn't seem to
    specifically allow for withdrawing your site, but I think most changes
    go to an editor for review so there's a reasonable chance they'll act on
    your request. That would then feed through to the Google Directory in
    due course.

    Yes, Ive asked them to modify my entry to a more up to date one
    that reflects what i'm doing now.
    --
    Mike Reid
    Wasdale-Thames path-London-Photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
    Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap

  14. Following up to "Lee Perry" <leeperry1979(nospam)@msn.com>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    its interesting that one of my three sites is still fine and
    Google finds individual pages. The other two it only finds the
    index page.

    I have this issue too, Google only lists my index page, although it has
    added a couple more pages in the last few weeks. In contrast MSN list about
    550!

    I thought it was just me being a muppet...does anybody know what the cause
    of this is?

    do you do any of these things:-
    run a link exchange with other sites?
    have more than one site and link them?
    do you have an entry in the directory?
    --
    Mike Reid
    Wasdale-Thames path-London-Photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
    Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap

  15. Following up to "Lee Perry" <leeperry1979(nospam)@msn.com>

    Quoted message said:

    I have this issue too, Google only lists my index page, although it has
    added a couple more pages in the last few weeks. In contrast MSN list about
    550!

    what's your URL, i'll see if I can spot anything that might
    indicate our joint problem.
    --
    Mike Reid
    Wasdale-Thames path-London-Photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
    Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap

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