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  1. Ok, this is weird. I started feeling sick Tuesday afternoon, felt even
    worse yesterday. Last night I went to bed with the help of some nyquil,
    woke up early this morning (around 6 am) because I'd gone to bed so early,
    still felt kind of stuffy and had a mild fever, so I took some dayquil. I
    went back to bed anyway about an hour later, even though dayquil is
    non-drowsy, but when I woke up again around 11 I felt pretty good. No fever
    when I checked again at around noon, no headache, no sore throat, no runny
    nose, no earache. I feel a bit of sinus pressure, but no pain. I still
    feel fine now, at midnight, and that dayquil is only supposed to last 4
    hours. So, I was wondering, if I feel fine and I've gone almost all day
    with no fever, should I be ok to go to work tomorrow? How do I know if I'm
    contagious? The reason I ask is, we're supposed to have our Halloween
    party at the after school program, and I've been helping the kids make
    decorations all week long, and I have to bring a pumpkin, and I feel fine
    and, my doctor says "chances are you're probably not contagious 24 hours
    after your last fever and if you don't feel sick any more." I just don't
    know if "probably not contagious" is good enough to be around little kids,
    but at the same time they'll be really disappointed if I don't come, and it
    turned out only to be a mild cold.

    --
    Michelle Levin
    http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

    I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

  2. I'm not sure if you're contagious or not, but I'll bet the Cold Eeze drops
    you took made the difference! They might be gross and full of sugar, but
    they are still zinc (like Zicam).

    S t a c i

    "Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Ok, this is weird. I started feeling sick Tuesday afternoon, felt even
    worse yesterday. Last night I went to bed with the help of some nyquil,
    woke up early this morning (around 6 am) because I'd gone to bed so early,
    still felt kind of stuffy and had a mild fever, so I took some dayquil. I
    went back to bed anyway about an hour later, even though dayquil is
    non-drowsy, but when I woke up again around 11 I felt pretty good. No


    fever

    Quoted message said:

    when I checked again at around noon, no headache, no sore throat, no runny
    nose, no earache. I feel a bit of sinus pressure, but no pain. I still
    feel fine now, at midnight, and that dayquil is only supposed to last 4
    hours. So, I was wondering, if I feel fine and I've gone almost all day
    with no fever, should I be ok to go to work tomorrow? How do I know if


    I'm

    Quoted message said:

    contagious? The reason I ask is, we're supposed to have our Halloween
    party at the after school program, and I've been helping the kids make
    decorations all week long, and I have to bring a pumpkin, and I feel fine
    and, my doctor says "chances are you're probably not contagious 24 hours
    after your last fever and if you don't feel sick any more." I just don't
    know if "probably not contagious" is good enough to be around little kids,
    but at the same time they'll be really disappointed if I don't come, and


    it

    Quoted message said:

    turned out only to be a mild cold.

    --
    Michelle Levin
    http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

    I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

  3. Read this yesterday and I think you might want to consider what it's being
    recommended in the article?

    http://observer.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,5044681-110648,00.html

    Black magic
    -----------------------------------------------------------------
    If you want to fight flu, get nature on your side. Black elderberry extract can
    incapacitate the virus and strengthen your immunity, says Dr John Briffa

    Sunday October 24, 2004

    The Observer

    The distinct chill we've had in the air of late will inevitably herald the usual
    seasonal influx of colds and flu. Lest we forget that such wintry infections are
    on their way, the government recently launched a media campaign urging those at
    high risk of flu to get vaccinated against it. However, the same week, the
    government also suspended the licence of a major flu vaccine manufacturer
    because of problems with sterility. The shortage of stocks and delays this is
    anticipated to cause is likely to needle those keen to protect themselves from
    virulent infections this winter.
    Those without the protection of a flu vaccination may be glad to know of
    contingency medicaments from the natural medicine chest. The natural substance
    most renowned for its anti-viral and immune-stimulating properties is vitamin C.
    Despite the fact that vitamin C is often recommended for its ability to prevent
    colds and flu, the science shows it is quite ineffective for this. High doses
    do, however, have considerable healing potential once the virus sets up camp in
    the body.

    In one study published in the Journal of Manipulative and Physiological
    Therapeutics, the effect of mega-dosing with vitamin C was tested on more than
    700 people.

    Throughout a winter, two-thirds of the test group were treated with painkillers
    and decongestants if they fell foul of cold or flu. In the other third, winter
    infections were treated with vitamin C at a dose of 1,000mg (1g) each hour for
    six hours, followed by 1,000mg three times a day until the infection resolved.
    Overall, those receiving vitamin C treatment had cold and flu symptoms reduced
    by 85 per cent compared to those receiving conventional treatment.

    Another natural flu remedy is the black elderberry (Sambucus nigra L). In the
    laboratory, black elderberry extract has been shown to incapacitate several
    strains of the influenza virus, and studies show that it activates the immune
    system. In research published earlier this year in the Journal of International
    Medical Research, the effects of black elderberry extract were tested in a group
    of individuals with flu. Half the group were treated with 15ml of black
    elderberry extract, four times a day for five days, while the other half took a
    placebo. Those taking the black elderberry extract became well an average four
    days earlier than individuals taking inactive medication. Black elderberry
    extract is available from most health food stores under the brand name Sambucol.
    For those wishing to take a belt-and-braces approach, I recommend taking vitamin
    C and black elderberry extract together.

    Dear John

    I am the head teacher of an infant and nursery school. We encourage the children
    to have a bottle of water on their table every day, but some parents are
    resistant to this and say their children do not like water. I was delighted with
    your article recently that was critical of fruit juice, but parents say they
    want their children to have diluted juices. Should I stick to my guns?
    Anne Holland

    As I explained in my column, I think the potential health hazards of fruit
    juices have been understated, and that the prime fluid for children should be
    water. Diluting the fruit juice - at least half and half - with water will help
    reduce their sugariness, but I do believe that plain water is better. I suspect
    one of the main reasons children will not drink water is because they have been
    weaned on to fruit juice at an early age. I suggest a compromise. For instance,
    you might consider allowing diluted fruit juice outside the class, but insist on
    plain water only, in transparent bottles, within the class. You may find that
    some children who 'won't' drink water mysteriously take up this habit in class.

    If you have any issues you would like Dr Briffa to address in his column, please
    email him on [email hidden]. Please note that Dr Briffa cannot enter
    into any correspondence. You can also visit drbriffa.com. Before following any
    recommendations in this column, you should consult your own medical adviser
    about any medical problems or special health conditions

    Nutrition news

    Insulin is the chief hormone responsible for reducing blood-sugar levels after
    the consumption of foods containing sugar and/or starch. Excesses of the hormone
    insulin in the body have been linked with a variety of health issues, including
    weight gain, raised blood pressure and diabetes.

    Recently, some science research has suggested that insulin may promote the
    development of certain cancers. In a study published in this month's edition of
    the medical journal Gastroenterology, researchers assessed the link between the
    use of insulin and colon cancer in almost 25,000 diabetics. Insulin use for
    three to five years was associated with a rough trebling of risk of colon
    cancer, while insulin use for more than five years appeared to increase risk of
    colon cancer five-fold.

    Individuals wishing to reduce their need for insulin are likely to achieve this
    through the consumption of a diet generally lower in sugar and starch-based
    carbohydrates - a concept I covered in my column last week. Any changes to
    insulin dosages, however, should be made in consultation with a doctor.

    Guardian Unlimited © Guardian Newspapers Limited 2004

  4. S t a c i said:

    I'm not sure if you're contagious or not

    by the time you realize you're sick, you've already been through the
    contagious stage.

  5. In article <[email hidden]>,

    (The Queen of Cans and Jars) said:
    S t a c i said:

    I'm not sure if you're contagious or not

    by the time you realize you're sick, you've already been through the
    contagious stage.

    That makes no sense. Aren't cold symptoms your body's way of fighting an
    infection? Why would you get the symptoms after the infection is gone?

    --
    Michelle Levin
    http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

    I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

  6. Hi,

    Luna said:
    Quoted message said:

    by the time you realize you're sick, you've already been through
    the contagious stage.

    That makes no sense. Aren't cold symptoms your body's way of
    fighting an infection? Why would you get the symptoms after the
    infection is
    gone?

    By the time you feel sick, the virus or bacteria has been merrily
    multiplying in your system for a while. At a certain point, the
    pathogen's load becomes such that a number of processes begin.
    For example:
    Mr. Pathogen is sitting on a doorknob. You open that door and MR. P
    hitches a ride on your hand. Your rub your nose a few minutes later
    because it itches. Mr. P ends up in your nasal passage. He's a happy
    camper because it's warm and moist - the perfect place to raise a
    family. He takes over a cell, sets up shop and uses all of the cell's
    machinery as if it were his own. He churns out a bazillion clones of
    himself, and eventually the cell bursts and the clones go all over
    Luna's respiratory tract, taking over cells and repeating the process
    their "Dad" did. The sheer number of burst respiratory tract cells
    begin to affect Luna as a sore throat. In the meantime, back at the
    Luna Immune System Police Precinct, a flood of 911 calls come in, that
    intruders have started a mass invasion. The cops deploy, and a
    massive widespread gun battle ensues. Not only are the Pathogen
    clones being killed, cops are dying too. SWAT teams are hard at work,
    blowing up *any* cells that have been taken over by the Pathogen
    clones. The good guys win, but there's guts and corpses and debris
    and spent shell casings *everywhere*. It's going to take the cleanup
    crews a while to set things to rights again. Until that happens
    Planet Luna isn't going to feel like its old self.

    See, by the time you start to feel sick the bad guys are getting their
    butts kicked. The time prior to the body's immune system fully
    gearing up and engaging the enemy you're busily shedding pathogens
    yourself.
    Does that help a bit?

    Take care,
    Carmen

  7. Quoted message said:


    I am the head teacher of an infant and nursery school. We encourage the children
    to have a bottle of water on their table every day, but some parents are
    resistant to this and say their children do not like water. I was delighted with
    your article recently that was critical of fruit juice, but parents say they
    want their children to have diluted juices. Should I stick to my guns?
    Anne Holland

    As I explained in my column, I think the potential health hazards of fruit
    juices have been understated, and that the prime fluid for children should be
    water. Diluting the fruit juice - at least half and half - with water will help
    reduce their sugariness, but I do believe that plain water is better. I suspect
    one of the main reasons children will not drink water is because they have been
    weaned on to fruit juice at an early age. I suggest a compromise. For instance,
    you might consider allowing diluted fruit juice outside the class, but insist on
    plain water only, in transparent bottles, within the class. You may find that
    some children who 'won't' drink water mysteriously take up this habit in class.

    If you have any issues you would like Dr Briffa to address in his column, please
    email him on [email hidden]. Please note that Dr Briffa cannot enter
    into any correspondence. You can also visit drbriffa.com. Before following any
    recommendations in this column, you should consult your own medical adviser
    about any medical problems or special health conditions

    I have a comment about the juice for kids and the bottle of water. As
    a baby I incorperated plain water into my daughters diet. She loves
    water. She wil pass on milk at dinner sometimes to have water. She has
    never been one for juice. The only one she would drink was pure apple
    juice. I mentioned this to the doctor thinking maybe I was robbing her
    of something. He told me "Juice is candy for babies. She doesnt need
    it" With that said. I never had a juice baby. She will drink it at the
    age of 6 if it is given to her but she really doesnt ask for it. I buy
    the low carb cranberry rasp and mix 2 ounces of it with diet Siera
    Mist. She likes that too. I imagine she drinks 12 ounces of juice in 6
    months. She does love fresh fruit and I keep satsumas, bananas apples,
    grapes and berries around for her. The dentist is amazed at her teeth.
    No cavities. He wanted to keep her that way and she had her molars
    sealed last week.
    My daughter is lucky enough to have a teacher who advocates the water
    bottle. On the list of school supplies was "one pop top water sipper".
    She brings it home weekly for sanitizing and thinks it is "cool" to be
    allowed to have one sitting on her desk.
    Laureen

  8. Laureen said:

    I have a comment about the juice for kids and the bottle of water. As
    a baby I incorperated plain water into my daughters diet. She loves
    water. She wil pass on milk at dinner sometimes to have water. She has
    never been one for juice. The only one she would drink was pure apple
    juice. I mentioned this to the doctor thinking maybe I was robbing her
    of something. He told me "Juice is candy for babies. She doesnt need
    it" With that said. I never had a juice baby. She will drink it at the
    age of 6 if it is given to her but she really doesnt ask for it. I buy
    the low carb cranberry rasp and mix 2 ounces of it with diet Siera
    Mist. She likes that too. I imagine she drinks 12 ounces of juice in 6
    months. She does love fresh fruit and I keep satsumas, bananas apples,
    grapes and berries around for her. The dentist is amazed at her teeth.
    No cavities. He wanted to keep her that way and she had her molars
    sealed last week.
    My daughter is lucky enough to have a teacher who advocates the water
    bottle. On the list of school supplies was "one pop top water sipper".
    She brings it home weekly for sanitizing and thinks it is "cool" to be
    allowed to have one sitting on her desk.
    Laureen

    I am glad that the teacher at your school advoates the water bottle idea.
    Thinking about the juice baby idea - it's so bad that a generation was raised on
    the idea that drinking Ribena, Lucozade, glucose solutions is good for health.
    I remember that in Hong Kong, a particular brand of glucose powder was sold as a
    health improving food supplement for babies well into the early 90s. It's even
    got a picture of a baby's head printed on the can.

  9. "Carmen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    By the time you feel sick, the virus or bacteria has been merrily
    multiplying in your system for a while. At a certain point, the
    pathogen's load becomes such that a number of processes begin.
    For example:
    Mr. Pathogen is sitting on a doorknob. You open that door and MR. P
    hitches a ride on your hand. Your rub your nose a few minutes later
    because it itches. Mr. P ends up in your nasal passage. He's a happy
    camper because it's warm and moist - the perfect place to raise a
    family. He takes over a cell, sets up shop and uses all of the cell's
    machinery as if it were his own. He churns out a bazillion clones of
    himself, and eventually the cell bursts and the clones go all over
    Luna's respiratory tract, taking over cells and repeating the process
    their "Dad" did. The sheer number of burst respiratory tract cells
    begin to affect Luna as a sore throat. In the meantime, back at the
    Luna Immune System Police Precinct, a flood of 911 calls come in, that
    intruders have started a mass invasion. The cops deploy, and a
    massive widespread gun battle ensues. Not only are the Pathogen
    clones being killed, cops are dying too. SWAT teams are hard at work,
    blowing up *any* cells that have been taken over by the Pathogen
    clones. The good guys win, but there's guts and corpses and debris
    and spent shell casings *everywhere*. It's going to take the cleanup
    crews a while to set things to rights again. Until that happens
    Planet Luna isn't going to feel like its old self.

    See, by the time you start to feel sick the bad guys are getting their
    butts kicked. The time prior to the body's immune system fully
    gearing up and engaging the enemy you're busily shedding pathogens
    yourself.
    Does that help a bit?

    Take care,
    Carmen

    Carmen-

    Awesome post. I printed it off and gave it to both my kids, they
    loved it and it made sense to them.

    Thanks.

    lb

  10. Hi,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    By the time you feel sick, the virus or bacteria has been merrily
    multiplying in your system for a while. At a certain point, the
    pathogen's load becomes such that a number of processes begin.
    For example:
    Mr. Pathogen is sitting on a doorknob. You open that door and MR.
    P hitches a ride on your hand. Your rub your nose a few minutes
    later because it itches. Mr. P ends up in your nasal passage.
    He's a
    happy camper because it's warm and moist - the perfect place to
    raise a
    family. He takes over a cell, sets up shop and uses all of the
    cell's machinery as if it were his own. He churns out a bazillion
    clones
    of himself, and eventually the cell bursts and the clones go all
    over
    Luna's respiratory tract, taking over cells and repeating the
    process their "Dad" did. The sheer number of burst respiratory
    tract
    cells begin to affect Luna as a sore throat. In the meantime,
    back at
    the Luna Immune System Police Precinct, a flood of 911 calls come
    in,
    that intruders have started a mass invasion. The cops deploy, and
    a
    massive widespread gun battle ensues. Not only are the Pathogen
    clones being killed, cops are dying too. SWAT teams are hard at
    work, blowing up *any* cells that have been taken over by the
    Pathogen
    clones. The good guys win, but there's guts and corpses and
    debris and spent shell casings *everywhere*. It's going to take
    the
    cleanup crews a while to set things to rights again. Until that
    happens
    Planet Luna isn't going to feel like its old self.

    See, by the time you start to feel sick the bad guys are getting
    their butts kicked. The time prior to the body's immune system
    fully
    gearing up and engaging the enemy you're busily shedding pathogens
    yourself.
    Does that help a bit?

    Take care,
    Carmen

    Carmen-

    Awesome post. I printed it off and gave it to both my kids, they
    loved it and it made sense to them.

    Thanks.

    You're welcome. I had to learn it full of nine mile long words and it
    interested me but I'm pre-med and weird. One thing I want to avoid is
    being one of those docs who shows off what they know without sharing
    the knowledge with anyone. ;-) I practice on my husband and 15 year
    old daughter. Hapless victims....<G>

    Take care,
    Carmen

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