OT: How you should vote

Danny Colyer said:

Seen elsewhere:

Voting help
By Alan Connor
Internet correspondent for The Daily Politics

POSTED: Friday 15 April, 1445BST
If you haven't got the time to plough through Labour's 112 pages, the
Conservatives' 28 and the Lib Dems' 20, there might be a multimedia
solution on the horizon.

Who Should You Vote For? http://www.whoshouldyouvotefor.com/
is a site which asks you to agree or disagree with 23 statements. It
then tells you which party matches your views out of the big three, plus
UKIP and the Greens.

It's a fun exercise and they're reporting 80,000 users since its launch
to 100 people on Tuesday. If trends continue, their traffic could be
greater than the turnout on polling day!

They're also promising to release to the press their stats. It would be
interesting to see which party is most popular on the basis of policies
rather than reputation. So far, the Lib Dems have got a decent
majority... and the Greens are the opposition.

I'll vote LibDem because the other two are respectively (1) warmongers
and (2) evil warmongers, but it suggested Green.

Sadly it is well established that most people use two criteria in
voting, and two alone:

(a) will I be substantially worse off?
(b) am I likely to vote for the winning side?

Danny Colyer said:

Who Should You Vote For? http://www.whoshouldyouvotefor.com/

Discussed at length on cam.misc as "What are these people on??".

They seem to have an agenda......

Mike

Quoted message said:

(a) will I be substantially worse off?
(b) am I likely to vote for the winning side?

Not doubting or anything, but why does B matter? Who would know, apart
from oneself?

Tony B

Zog The Undeniable said:

I'll vote LibDem because the other two are respectively (1) warmongers
and (2) evil warmongers, but it suggested Green.

I was surprised how well it rates me and my wife. I think labour are
really nastily evil and conservatives are merely evil, and my wife is
of the oppositte view. It correctly identified this - with scores
about -40 and -25 for each, but asigned over appropriately

For both of us it gave libdem and green about equal (positive) scores.

regards, Ian SMith

Tony B said:

Not doubting or anything, but why does B matter? Who would know, apart
from oneself?

Basically people are swayed by the opinion polls and don't want the
"embarrassment" of voting for the losing side. There are a lot of sheep
out there.

I was expecting a green recommendation (on libertarian grounds), but got
a LibDem one - by a factor of 2:1 in fact. Very odd.

Interestingly, I got equal mius scores for UKIP and NewLab - shows how
bonkers tony's cronies have become eh?

Tories got a minus 61 obviously.

Also interesting is the Political Compass

http://www.politicalcompass.org/

Tony B

Not sure how the site does its assessment... it had me down as a UKIP
supporter - but then, I don't think there's really any party that properly
caters for libertarians.

--
Akin

aknak at aksoto dot idps dot co dot uk

"Danny Colyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Who Should You Vote For? http://www.whoshouldyouvotefor.com/
is a site which asks you to agree or disagree with 23 statements. It then
tells you which party matches your views out of the big three, plus UKIP
and the Greens.

Also see how much local tax you'd pay under the lib dems. 50% more for
me!!!!

http://www.axethetax.org.uk/localtaxcalculator.html

Ian Smith said:

I was surprised how well it rates me and my wife. I think labour are
really nastily evil and conservatives are merely evil, and my wife is
of the oppositte view. It correctly identified this - with scores
about -40 and -25 for each, but asigned over appropriately

For both of us it gave libdem and green about equal (positive) scores.

Much the same for me (although my Labour and Conservative scores were
both slightly more negative than yours). I was surprised that UKIP were
only slightly negative (-6).

--
Danny Colyer (the UK company has been laughed out of my reply address)
<URL:http://www.speedy5.freeserve.co.uk/danny/>
"He who dares not offend cannot be honest." - Thomas Paine

On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 20:41:11 +0100, "Epetruk" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Not sure how the site does its assessment... it had me down as a UKIP
supporter - but then, I don't think there's really any party that properly
caters for libertarians.

I came out as UKIP too (to my great surprise) but then I did the
Political Compass one and came out as a Libertarian (which was less
surprising).

I'm sure I'll get different answers if I do them again tomorrow!

(Anyway, I shouldn't be sat here at the computer. My copy of
"Cyclecraft" arrived on Wednesday and this is the first bit of spare
time I've had since. Time to go and learn how to ride a bike!)

Judith

Lib Dem 36 Lab 24; although I wouldn't ever vote for them as,

A they are not ever going to get into power and would prop up the
Tories given half a chance.

B I want to keep the Tories out.

I think Lib Dem are old labour for the purposes of this poll.

Epetruk said:

Not sure how the site does its assessment... it had me down as a UKIP
supporter - but then, I don't think there's really any party that properly
caters for libertarians.

The links on the left hand side have a reasonably detailed
expl;anation of how they do teh assessment. It';s a relatively simple
scheme, I'm surprised it works so well.

regards, Ian SMith

in message <42600508.0@entanet>, Zog The Undeniable

(') said:

Danny Colyer said:

Seen elsewhere:

They're also promising to release to the press their stats. It would
be interesting to see which party is most popular on the basis of
policies rather than reputation. So far, the Lib Dems have got a
decent majority... and the Greens are the opposition.

I'll vote LibDem because the other two are respectively (1) warmongers
and (2) evil warmongers, but it suggested Green.

Sadly it is well established that most people use two criteria in
voting, and two alone:

(a) will I be substantially worse off?
(b) am I likely to vote for the winning side?

Humm... it put me down as a Liberal Democrat, something I wouldn't dream
of voting. I suspect the quiz may have something of a LibDem bias. I
feel less engaged in this particular election than in any other in my
lifetime; 'they' have redrawn our boundaries so that what used to be an
SNP/Tory marginal is now a safe Labour seat (by
gerrymandering^Wannexing in a large town from the adjacent
constituency).

If there was anyone _except_ Labour who could keep the Tories out I'd
vote tactically - I've been dreaming of a Tory-free Scotland all my
adult life, and the target is now in sight. But then, if there was
anyone _except_ the Tories who could keep that evil, slimy warmonger
out, I'd vote for them...

So it's a toss-up between SNP (the rational choice, and the party I've
been a member of for twenty-seven years) and Green (the emotional
choice). Neither of these votes will make the slightest difference to
the outcome of an election which is, let's face it, to a parliament in
a foreign capital every bit as remote from me as Brussels.

Oor Rabbie had it recht, forbye.

--
[email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
Ye hypocrites! are these your pranks? To murder men and give God thanks?
Desist, for shame! Proceed no further: God won't accept your thanks for
murther
-- Roburt Burns, 'Thanksgiving For a National Victory'

On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 19:21:43 +0100 someone who may be Zog The
Undeniable <[email hidden]> wrote this:-

Quoted message said:

I'll vote LibDem because the other two are respectively (1) warmongers
and (2) evil warmongers, but it suggested Green.

That shower includes a bod keen on the Second Newbury Bypass and the
bod that has just given the go-ahead for the worst road scheme in a
long time, against the clear recommendation of a "public enquiry"
(and we know how pro-road they tend to be), the M74 extension. They
could have defeated the latest anti-freedom activity of the Labour
Party scumbags, but didn't bother to turn up and vote. The Liberal
Democrats talk a good game, but their actions demonstrate that they
are just lying scumbags as well.

--
David Hansen, Edinburgh | PGP email preferred-key number F566DA0E
I will always explain revoked keys, unless the UK government
prevents me by using the RIP Act 2000.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Who Should You Vote For? http://www.whoshouldyouvotefor.com/

Discussed at length on cam.misc as "What are these people on??".

They seem to have an agenda......

Wow, I got UKIP. Who'd have thought that it would recommend some dodgy
single issue wannabe populist party whose soundbite policies are designed
to appeal to the greatest number of voters.[1]

Is UKIP the party that the site is trying to shove me towards? Looking at
the parties, UKIP and the Greens are the only ones that campaign on issues
likely to motivate non-members to 'campaign'.

Mark.

[1] I'm guessing I can get away with saying that because most of you are so
far to the left you _scare_ me. If anyone does take offence I will be
happy for you to answer squillions of questions if you get in contact
through my private email addy (turn up the heat).

On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 21:41:51 +0100 someone who may be Simon Brooke
<[email hidden]> wrote this:-

Quoted message said:

I
feel less engaged in this particular election than in any other in my
lifetime; 'they' have redrawn our boundaries

The process is all very much in the open for anyone who wants to
look at http://www.bcomm-scotland.gov.uk which led the other UK
Boundary Commissions in openness. Did you make alternative
suggestions when the opportunity was available? Major events like
the start of consultations on such changes get coverage in the
newspapers and the radio, though probably not television.

--
David Hansen, Edinburgh | PGP email preferred-key number F566DA0E
I will always explain revoked keys, unless the UK government
prevents me by using the RIP Act 2000.

Mark Thompson said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Who Should You Vote For? http://www.whoshouldyouvotefor.com/

Discussed at length on cam.misc as "What are these people on??".

They seem to have an agenda......

Wow, I got UKIP. Who'd have thought that it would recommend some

dodgy

Quoted message said:

single issue wannabe populist party whose soundbite policies are

designed

Quoted message said:

to appeal to the greatest number of voters.[1]

Is UKIP the party that the site is trying to shove me towards?

what are you all agreeing with to make you UKIP? it must be a couple of
innocent sounding but actually loony right policies, most of them (fox
hunting, Iraq) are very party specific.

Quoted message said:

[1] I'm guessing I can get away with saying that because most of you are so
far to the left you _scare_ me.

But left/right is such a linear measure - Green and UKIP are actually
much closer together on libertarian issues than I'd have imagined, even
if UKIP ideas of just what to do with that liberty conflict with mine.

Check out the political compass thing, where it tries to put a
left/right horizontal axis over a totalitarian/libertarian vertical one.

At least with the so called "minor" parties one gets a feeling there is
actually some kind of policy argument happening somewhere, rather than a
load of old tosh to hoodwink the sheep into handing over the reigns of
power.

As for connecting with this election, well - if after a major war, lies
beyond measure and huge infractions into historical personal freedoms
then one STILL feels out of the political process then it seems to me we
shall soon have Herr [censored] in power. If only we could be arsed to stop
him now eh?

We really need PR.

bfn,

Tony B

No surprises at all - It made me strongly anti Labour, pretty strongly
anti LibDem, strongly pro Conservative (which is what I would vote if I
was there to vote). The interesting part is that UKIP (about whom I
know diddly-squat) tied with Conservatives.

Since I can't be arsed to do the overseas postal voting thing, I think
one of you dangerous lefties should stay home on polling day to
compensate for my lost vote. :-)

--
Peter Headland