OT government

Quoted message said:

Can it be true?

Jobst Brandt

I'm not a big G.B. fan, but are you gonna post the silly stuff coming
from Obama's mouth after he is elected??? or even before???

Gig Miller said:

Quoted message said:

Can it be true?

Jobst Brandt

I'm not a big G.B. fan, but are you gonna post the silly stuff coming
from Obama's mouth after he is elected??? or even before???

Should I faint that he even labeled it "OT"? Or did you do that? (I
plonked ol' JB long ago for just this reason.)

Bill "tech...BS" S.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Can it be true?

Quoted message said:

Gig Miller said:

I'm not a big G.B. fan, but are you gonna post the silly stuff coming
from Obama's mouth after he is elected??? or even before???

Bill Sornson said:

Should I faint that he even labeled it "OT"? Or did you do that? (I
plonked ol' JB long ago for just this reason.)
Bill "tech...BS" S.

I thought it was going to be Maxine Waters threatening to nationalize
the oil companies ( a la Chavez, Lenin, etc). At least that was funny!

Run oil companies? If the US Government ran Saudi Arabia, they'd run
out of sand.
--
Andrew Muzi
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Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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A Muzi said:

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Quoted message said:

[email hidden] wrote:
> Can it be true?
>

Gig Miller said:

I'm not a big G.B. fan, but are you gonna post the silly stuff coming
from Obama's mouth after he is elected??? or even before???

Bill Sornson said:

Should I faint that he even labeled it "OT"?  Or did you do that?  (I
plonked ol' JB long ago for just this reason.)
Bill "tech...BS" S.

I thought it was going to be Maxine Waters threatening to nationalize
the oil companies ( a la Chavez, Lenin, etc). At least that was funny!

Truman did it to Youngstown Steel, although he couldn't make it
stick. Even Nixon fixed prices. Remember that? I don't think
government is accomplishing much by fussing with interst rates. Maybe
it is time to nationalize something -- like your bike shop. We can
start small -- appropriate your DIY health plan.

Quoted message said:

Run oil companies?  If the US Government ran Saudi Arabia, they'd run
out of sand.

But [censored] Cheney would somehow make a lot of money in the process. --
Jay Beattie.

A Muzi said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

[email hidden] wrote:
> Can it be true?
>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Gig Miller said:

I'm not a big G.B. fan, but are you gonna post the silly stuff
coming from Obama's mouth after he is elected??? or even before???

Quoted message said:

Bill Sornson said:

Should I faint that he even labeled it "OT"? Or did you do that? (I
plonked ol' JB long ago for just this reason.)
Bill "tech...BS" S.

Quoted message said:

I thought it was going to be Maxine Waters threatening to nationalize
the oil companies ( a la Chavez, Lenin, etc). At least that was funny!

Ask and ye shall chuckle (and/or shudder):

Quoted message said:

Run oil companies? If the US Government ran Saudi Arabia, they'd run
out of sand.

Think you pay enough taxes per gallon now? LOL

Quoted message said:

Can it be true?

Jobst Brandt

You know, I've never met the President, any President for that matter,
but I get the suspicion that, for all his bumbling simpleton aspects,
if he was just having a few beers at the ranch Little Boots would be a
hell of a fellow. And I seem to think that you couldn't find a truer
friend than him if you were friends. No, the problem with the Bush
presidency is not Bush but the monsters behind him in the shadows.
It's probably the Republican National Committee that's actually
running things nowadays. Once they asked the Bush family for a favor,
now they've asked the McCain family for a favor. It's kind of like the
Corleones. The Democratic machinery, a la Chicago in the Old Days, was
the Keystone Cops crossed with petty larceny and a broken leg or two.
The Republican machinery? Of Evil, learned much it has. We will
probably get a Democratic President next, and he/she will be
forgettable. The country is ripening for a messianic (but not
necessarily religious) candidate out of left field.

A Muzi said:

I thought it was going to be Maxine Waters threatening to nationalize
the oil companies ( a la Chavez, Lenin, etc). At least that was funny!

Run oil companies? If the US Government ran Saudi Arabia, they'd run
out of sand.

Last I heard, private oil companies control only 6% of the world's oil.
93% of it is owned by State owned companies.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Bill Sornson said:

A Muzi said:

Quoted message said:

> [email hidden] wrote:
>> Can it be true?
>>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Gig Miller wrote:
> I'm not a big G.B. fan, but are you gonna post the silly stuff
> coming from Obama's mouth after he is elected??? or even
> before???

Quoted message said:

Bill Sornson said:

Should I faint that he even labeled it "OT"? Or did you do that?
(I plonked ol' JB long ago for just this reason.) Bill "tech...BS"
S.

Quoted message said:

I thought it was going to be Maxine Waters threatening to
nationalize the oil companies ( a la Chavez, Lenin, etc). At least
that was funny!

Ask and ye shall chuckle (and/or shudder):

Quoted message said:

Run oil companies? If the US Government ran Saudi Arabia, they'd
run out of sand.

Think you pay enough taxes per gallon now? LOL

You mean the Exxon tax? You pay more in windfall profits to oil
companies than you do in taxes to the government when you buy a gallon
of gas.

In article
<[email hidden]>,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Can it be true?

Jobst Brandt

You know, I've never met the President, any President for that matter,
but I get the suspicion that, for all his bumbling simpleton aspects,
if he was just having a few beers at the ranch Little Boots would be a
hell of a fellow. And I seem to think that you couldn't find a truer
friend than him if you were friends. No, the problem with the Bush
presidency is not Bush but the monsters behind him in the shadows.

Bush is a problem, as he is a weak President who serves those masters
rather than serving the public good.

Quoted message said:

It's probably the Republican National Committee that's actually
running things nowadays. Once they asked the Bush family for a favor,
now they've asked the McCain family for a favor. It's kind of like the
Corleones. The Democratic machinery, a la Chicago in the Old Days, was
the Keystone Cops crossed with petty larceny and a broken leg or two.
The Republican machinery? Of Evil, learned much it has. We will
probably get a Democratic President next, and he/she will be
forgettable. The country is ripening for a messianic (but not
necessarily religious) candidate out of left field.

Funny that the party of the religious right is also the party of he
evilest actions.

Tim McNamara said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Bill Sornson said:

A Muzi said:

>> [email hidden] wrote:
>>> Can it be true?
>>>

Quoted message said:

> Gig Miller wrote:
>> I'm not a big G.B. fan, but are you gonna post the silly stuff
>> coming from Obama's mouth after he is elected??? or even
>> before???

Quoted message said:

Bill Sornson wrote:
> Should I faint that he even labeled it "OT"? Or did you do that?
> (I plonked ol' JB long ago for just this reason.) Bill "tech...BS"
> S.

Quoted message said:

I thought it was going to be Maxine Waters threatening to
nationalize the oil companies ( a la Chavez, Lenin, etc). At least
that was funny!

Ask and ye shall chuckle (and/or shudder):

Quoted message said:

Run oil companies? If the US Government ran Saudi Arabia, they'd
run out of sand.

Think you pay enough taxes per gallon now? LOL

You mean the Exxon tax? You pay more in windfall profits to oil
companies than you do in taxes to the government when you buy a gallon
of gas.

I know how much tax I pay on a gallon now: about 1/4th as much per
gallon as when bush was appointed(gas used to be about a 1 now it's 4,
for the math challenged). Since I'm using a little less gas, actually
a lot less than I was, you could say I've gotten a tax cut although
the total outlay has increased. Clearly some folks don't remember what
Enron did in California or else which they had a part in the fun.

Coal Porter said:

Clearly some folks don't remember what
Enron did in California or else which they had a part in the fun.

Clearly some folks don't have a clue or are so ideologically
brainwashed (light rinse for most) that it is hopeless they will ever
recognize the reality of what goes on in this country. They'd prefer
to stay convinced that the Republican party is here to benefit them
and their country, when nothing could be farther from the truth.

"still just me" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Coal Porter said:

Clearly some folks don't remember what
Enron did in California or else which they had a part in the fun.

Clearly some folks don't have a clue or are so ideologically
brainwashed (light rinse for most) that it is hopeless they will ever
recognize the reality of what goes on in this country. They'd prefer
to stay convinced that the Republican party is here to benefit them
and their country, when nothing could be farther from the truth.

Too bad you don't understand democracy. The Republican party is here to
serve the Republicans. Just like the Democrat Party is here to serve
Democrats. Pretending that one is somehow superior to the other is insanity
that is in the process of ruining this country.

You vote for the MAN who has the ideas you want in such a position of power.

On Wed, 28 May 2008 12:33:46 -0700, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo.

com said:

Too bad you don't understand democracy. The Republican party is here to
serve the Republicans. Just like the Democrat Party is here to serve
Democrats.

I disagree. The Republican Party is (currently) here to benefit a very
small group of neo-cons who wish to use government money and
government policy to fill their own pockets (fascism, but without the
traditional dictatorial aspect in full force). The "party", the
millions of brainwashed minions, believe they party will benefit them
but it's only lip service.

The party rulers (neo-cons, not conservatives) give lip service to
ideas that are sacred to the larger, brainwashed crowd (the party
faithful) such as christian religious conservatism, fiscal
conservatism, foreign policy conservatism, etc. However, it's all
mostly show as they are neither fiscal conservatives or foreign policy
conservatives and the religious front is mostly ignored.

Note that they are willing to ignore their alleged principles such as
fiscal conservatism (witness records deficits), foreign policy
conservatism (conservatives don't police the world or invade other
countries except as a last resort, but look at what we have now), or
any other alleged principle. As another example, note that they pride
themselves on alleged patriotism but observe that they jettisoned that
with GWB (a war and duty dodger) and backed him to the fullest as long
as they had a tried and true facist-neocon behind him - Cheney. For
them, the (financial) goal is clear and any means justifies it.

Quoted message said:

Pretending that one is somehow superior to the other is insanity
that is in the process of ruining this country.

I'm not sure where you think I suggested that the Democrats were any
"better" than the Republicans. I'd suggest you are guilty of looking
at everything and everyone through a traditional filter of "if you
don't like the Republicans, you must be a Democrat". You need to
broaden your perspective.

Quoted message said:

You vote for the MAN who has the ideas you want in such a position of power.

Agreed. Unfortunately the puppet-child in there right now isn't much
of a man. McCain used to be a man, but he sold his spine to the
neo-cons this time around. Obama might be a man, but he's unproven.
Hillary is probably more of a man than any of them but she suffers
from a collection of dated ideals.

"still just me" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

On Wed, 28 May 2008 12:33:46 -0700, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo.

com said:

Too bad you don't understand democracy. The Republican party is here to
serve the Republicans. Just like the Democrat Party is here to serve
Democrats.

I disagree. The Republican Party is (currently) here to benefit a very
small group of neo-cons who wish to use government money and
government policy to fill their own pockets (fascism, but without the
traditional dictatorial aspect in full force). The "party", the
millions of brainwashed minions, believe they party will benefit them
but it's only lip service.

And of course you know this because of your close affiliation with them? Oh,
that's right - you read Democrap propaganda and actually believe it.

Quoted message said:

The party rulers (neo-cons, not conservatives) give lip service to
ideas that are sacred to the larger, brainwashed crowd (the party
faithful) such as christian religious conservatism, fiscal
conservatism, foreign policy conservatism, etc. However, it's all
mostly show as they are neither fiscal conservatives or foreign policy
conservatives and the religious front is mostly ignored.

Left to its own devices government will always feed on itself. It was the
same thing in the 40's, 50's and 60's with the Democrats and it is the same
now with the Republicans. In neither case was this the fault of the average
Democrat or Republican who are generally honest Americans.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Pretending that one is somehow superior to the other is insanity
that is in the process of ruining this country.

I'm not sure where you think I suggested that the Democrats were any
"better" than the Republicans.

If you focus your comments on the one without equal time for the other you
appear to be biased. By the way - every President has discovered that you
have to feed your party or they will desert you when you need them. This is
a problem with politics that is almost impossible to get rid of. Here's the
problem - people are not going to completely focus on getting someone
elected unless they personally profit from it. So we have to have at least
some small amount of party politics or we have no one that will want the
office.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

You vote for the MAN who has the ideas you want in such a position of
power.

Agreed. Unfortunately the puppet-child in there right now isn't much
of a man. McCain used to be a man, but he sold his spine to the
neo-cons this time around. Obama might be a man, but he's unproven.
Hillary is probably more of a man than any of them but she suffers
from a collection of dated ideals.

I don't believe that Bush should ever have run. He simply wasn't the man for
the job. However, who else wants that job that we can trust now that a
President essentially destroys his life upon being elected?

McCain is an old-time Democrat and because the media put him in as a
Republican that party is in a horrible fix.

Obama is a pure socialist - maybe to the point of being a communist. The
people he knows and has confidence in is astonishing - weather underground
and the like.

Hillary is an unabashed liar and a fool who would destroy this country in a
second if she thought it would earn her some sort of approval from the
leftists.

So this election is a real scary one: Obama will try everything to turn this
country into a hopeless socialist mess. It is likely that he would cause
immense specialties to grew against his listings. Bad, bad, bad.

McCain is so stupid that he will allow the Democrats systems in the House
and Senate to do anything they want to do. Since they'll be lead by the nose
by the leftists the outcome will be horrible and leftist.

Hillary couldn't get elected in my opinion because too many people hate her.
But the truth is that she would probably be the LEAST worst President in
that group though the truth is that she would still be a horrible President
who would plan card after card in order to get re-elected next time through.

We're in real trouble this election - there are now controlling groups of
Democrats in the House and Senate. Any of those elected to President will be
for the insane spending of money that is destroying the American dollar.
This will also destroy the Social Security payments making them essentially
worthless and forcing "retired" people to work the rest of their lives.

Remember that you cannot pay for everything with nothing.

Tom Kunich' cyclintom@yahoo. com said:

"still just me" <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:[email hidden]...

Remember that you cannot pay for everything with nothing.

You should have thought of that before you voted GOP the last 3
election cycles.

Obama communist? Even socialist? You are a complete idiot if you
actually believe that. AT NO POINT has he EVER advocated the State
take over any means of production. Ever.

Socialist? Yeah, right. If you ignore the actual meaning of the word
"socialist", maybe. On an absolute political scale, Obama is center
right. Only in America is this considered anything close to
socialism.

You need to step back from the Hannity/Limbaugh/Savage propaganda and
educate yourself on what positions actually occupy what spot on the
political scale. Not that I expect you do actually educate yourself -
you seem to be rather enamored of the folks who whisper sweet, feel-
good propaganda in your ear.

E.P.

Ed Pirrero said:

Tom Kunich' cyclintom@yahoo. com said:

"still just me" <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Remember that you cannot pay for everything with nothing.

You should have thought of that before you voted GOP the last 3
election cycles.

Quoted message said:

Obama communist?  Even socialist?  You are a complete idiot if you
actually believe that.  AT NO POINT has he EVER advocated the State
take over any means of production.  Ever.

Socialist?  Yeah, right.  If you ignore the actual meaning of the word
"socialist", maybe.  On an absolute political scale, Obama is center
right.  Only in America is this considered anything close to
socialism.

The "socialist" countries (which, to the conservatives, is any
country with a health plan) seem to be doing a lot better than the
United States. To paraphrase Reagan, "are you better off now than you
were four years ago?" How about eight years ago -- back when your
401K was worth something.-- Jay Beattie.

"Jay Beattie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

The "socialist" countries (which, to the conservatives, is any
country with a health plan) seem to be doing a lot better than the
United States. To paraphrase Reagan, "are you better off now than you
were four years ago?" How about eight years ago -- back when your
401K was worth something.

Is it just me or could it be that you don't seem to recall that the economy
was made infinitely worse with the increase in the public health insurance?

Tom Kunich' cyclintom@yahoo. com said:

"Jay Beattie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

The "socialist" countries (which, to the conservatives, is any
country with a health plan) seem to be doing a lot better than the
United States. To paraphrase Reagan, "are you better off now than you
were four years ago?" How about eight years ago -- back when your
401K was worth something.

Is it just me or could it be that you don't seem to recall that the economy
was made infinitely worse with the increase in the public health insurance?

It's just you. "Infinitely" worse? There is no industrialized nation
that even approached economic destruction over public health
insurance. Please describe, with figures, this economic destruction.

E.P.

"Ed Pirrero" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

It's just you. "Infinitely" worse? There is no industrialized nation
that even approached economic destruction over public health
insurance. Please describe, with figures, this economic destruction.

http://brillig.com/debt_clock/