There's been some discussion here before about the weird behaviour of the Google Groups Beta and how it seems designed to encourage people to move away from the traditional Usenet quoting style. I've noted before that when replying to a post it automatically inserts a line above the quoted text and places the cursor there as though encouraging users to top post. I've noticed in the last couple of days it's now inserting 2 blank lines above the quoted text making them hard to ignore and strongly suggesting that top posting is the default reply mode. This, and the hoops you have to jump through to get quoted text into your reply in the first place, are clearly deliberate on Google's part. Am I alone in finding this sinister?
I have just tried it and it does not put the cursor anywhere, but you have to click on reply under the "show options" to open the old post, click on reply after the post and it does not put any quoted text in.
I have just tried it and it does not put the cursor anywhere, but you have to click on reply under the "show options" to open the old post, click on reply after the post and it does not put any quoted text in.
You're right, it's not setting the cursor ATM although it is inserting 2 blank lines above the quoted text. An alternative way to get the quoted text is to click on Reply after the post, then click Preview, then click Edit Message. Both methods seems to give the same result currently.
dkahn400 <[email hidden]> wrote: : reply in the first place, are clearly deliberate on Google's part. Am I : alone in finding this sinister?
Google clearly think top-posting is right. There seems to be no way to get gmail to not top-post as well.
-- Arthur Clune PGP/GPG Key: http://www.clune.org/pubkey.txt Don't get me wrong, perl is an OK operating system, but it lacks a lightweight scripting language -- Walter Dnes
dkahn400 <[email hidden]> wrote: : reply in the first place, are clearly deliberate on Google's part. Am I : alone in finding this sinister?
Malice:incompetance:observation. The rest of the new news interface is so screwed up as to make it nearly impossible to follow a thread. Remember those?
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Google clearly think top-posting is right. There seems to be no way to get gmail to not top-post as well.
You can at least use a proper mail client with gmail via its IMAPS/SMTP interfaces. Unlike certain other free email accounts.
I have just tried it and it does not put the cursor anywhere, but you have to click on reply under the "show options" to open the old post, click on reply after the post and it does not put any quoted text in.
Thanks for that, I was wondering how to do that since I have just shifted to using google groups.
There's been some discussion here before about the weird behaviour of the Google Groups Beta and how it seems designed to encourage people to move away from the traditional Usenet quoting style. I've noted before that when replying to a post it automatically inserts a line above the quoted text and places the cursor there as though encouraging users to top post. I've noticed in the last couple of days it's now inserting 2 blank lines above the quoted text making them hard to ignore and strongly suggesting that top posting is the default reply mode. This, and the hoops you have to jump through to get quoted text into your reply in the first place, are clearly deliberate on Google's part. Am I alone in finding this sinister?
This was done by "show options" "reply". It does indeed put two blank lines above the attribution and quotes. I've left them in here.
TBH putting the cursor at the top is correct behaviour, that's where you want it to start snipping. But the 2 blank lines are definetly an encouragement to top-posting and should be removed.
There's been some discussion here before about the weird behaviour of the Google Groups Beta and how it seems designed to encourage people to move away from the traditional Usenet quoting style. I've noted before that when replying to a post it automatically inserts a line above the quoted text and places the cursor there as though encouraging users to top post. I've noticed in the last couple of days it's now inserting 2 blank lines above the quoted text making them hard to ignore and strongly suggesting that top posting is the default reply mode. This, and the hoops you have to jump through to get quoted text into your reply in the first place, are clearly deliberate on Google's part. Am I alone in finding this sinister?
It does seem mildly incompatible with 'do no evil'.
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There's been some discussion here before about the weird behaviour of the Google Groups Beta and how it seems designed to encourage people to move away from the traditional Usenet quoting style. I've noted before that when replying to a post it automatically inserts a line above the quoted text and places the cursor there as though encouraging users to top post.
So does Outlook Express :-)
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"dkahn400" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
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There's been some discussion here before about the weird behaviour of the Google Groups Beta and how it seems designed to encourage people to move away from the traditional Usenet quoting style. I've noted before that when replying to a post it automatically inserts a line above the quoted text and places the cursor there as though encouraging users to top post.
There's been some discussion here before about the weird behaviour of the Google Groups Beta and how it seems designed to encourage people to move away from the traditional Usenet quoting style. I've noted before that when replying to a post it automatically inserts a line above the quoted text and places the cursor there as though encouraging users to top post. I've noticed in the last couple of days it's now inserting 2 blank lines above the quoted text making them hard to ignore and strongly suggesting that top posting is the default reply mode. This, and the hoops you have to jump through to get quoted text into your reply in the first place, are clearly deliberate on Google's part. Am I alone in finding this sinister?
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This was done by "show options" "reply". It does indeed put two blank lines above the attribution and quotes. I've left them in here.
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TBH putting the cursor at the top is correct behaviour, that's where you want it to start snipping. But the 2 blank lines are definetly an encouragement to top-posting and should be removed.
You don't want it to be difficult to top post, otherwise idiots will stop doing it. -- Chris Malcolm [email hidden] +44 (0)131 651 3445 DoD #205 IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]
"dkahn400" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
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There's been some discussion here before about the weird behaviour of the Google Groups Beta and how it seems designed to encourage people to move away from the traditional Usenet quoting style. I've noted before that when replying to a post it automatically inserts a line above the quoted text and places the cursor there as though encouraging users to top post.
Tumbleweed <[email hidden]> wrote: : [ re top posting] : So does Outlook Express :-)
And, very annoyingly, so does Apple Mail. And there's no option to change it. Grrr.
-- Arthur Clune PGP/GPG Key: http://www.clune.org/pubkey.txt Don't get me wrong, perl is an OK operating system, but it lacks a lightweight scripting language -- Walter Dnes
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"dkahn400" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
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There's been some discussion here before about the weird behaviour of the Google Groups Beta and how it seems designed to encourage people to move away from the traditional Usenet quoting style. I've noted before that when replying to a post it automatically inserts a line above the quoted text and places the cursor there as though encouraging users to top post.
So does Outlook Express :-)
Need I say more?
...only that there is no need for conspiracy theory, simple incompetence will suffice (as it does for most areas of life)
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