OT: Constitutional Amendment discovered this week

In article <[email hidden]>,

Kurgan Gringioni said:

Frickin' Amazing, the new [censored] you learn every day.

It's surprising that the guy he allegedly works for hasn't said anything about
this. Two things: the vice prez is is the so-called "President of the Senate" so that
would mean he falls under the rules of the Senate; alternately, if the OVP is, as
they assert, a separate branch then the Congress could simply refuse to fund them (as
Rahm Emanuel has suggested).

What's funniest about this is that, after spending the entire Clinton era
screaming about an administration that scorned the rule of law, we get an
administration that wipes its ass on the rule of law and the Constitution and the
people who were complaining about Clinton's "abuses" have nothing but excuses and
rationalizations.

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Howard Kveck said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Kurgan Gringioni said:

Frickin' Amazing, the new [censored] you learn every day.

It's surprising that the guy he allegedly works for hasn't said anything about
this. Two things: the vice prez is is the so-called "President of the Senate" so that
would mean he falls under the rules of the Senate; alternately, if the OVP is, as
they assert, a separate branch then the Congress could simply refuse to fund them (as
Rahm Emanuel has suggested).

What's funniest about this is that, after spending the entire Clinton era
screaming about an administration that scorned the rule of law, we get an
administration that wipes its ass on the rule of law and the Constitution and the
people who were complaining about Clinton's "abuses" have nothing but excuses and
rationalizations.

And its fasinating to watch those who gave Clinton a pass, or support,
now pissing and moaning about the other side of the aisle.

Gunner

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On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 05:53:23 GMT, Gunner <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

And its fasinating to watch those who gave Clinton a pass, or support,
now pissing and moaning about the other side of the aisle.

But it's also reasonable, since the stuff Clinton did was either good
for the country, or very minor things that he did wrong. To even make
comparisons between, say, the Monica Lewinsky Scandal and the levels
of deceit currently happening in the White House and US Justice
Department is ludicris.
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Mike Henry said:

And dismaying to watch those that [censored] and moaned about Clinton remaining
silent now.

A voice of reason?! You sure you've got the right newsgroup,
buddy? 😉

I have enough righteous indignation to go around and see no reason to
limit it based or race, creed, political affiliation or for starting a
war under false pretenses that sucks down our money like it's going
out of style and makes us look like [censored] that didn't learn a
lesson from Vietnam.

R

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Quoted message said:

Howard Kveck said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Kurgan Gringioni said:

Frickin' Amazing, the new [censored] you learn every day.

It's surprising that the guy he allegedly works for hasn't said
anything about
this. Two things: the vice prez is is the so-called "President of the
Senate" so that
would mean he falls under the rules of the Senate; alternately, if the OVP
is, as
they assert, a separate branch then the Congress could simply refuse to
fund them (as
Rahm Emanuel has suggested).

What's funniest about this is that, after spending the entire Clinton
era
screaming about an administration that scorned the rule of law, we get an
administration that wipes its ass on the rule of law and the Constitution
and the
people who were complaining about Clinton's "abuses" have nothing but
excuses and
rationalizations.

And its fasinating to watch those who gave Clinton a pass, or support,
now pissing and moaning about the other side of the aisle.

And dismaying to watch those that [censored] and moaned about Clinton remaining
silent now.

Mike

RicodJour said:

I have enough righteous indignation to go around and see no reason to
limit it based or race, creed, political affiliation or for starting a
war under false pretenses that sucks down our money like it's going
out of style and makes us look like [censored] that didn't learn a
lesson from Vietnam.

Don't worry, its just greg's tax money and he generous enough to divide it
up between supporting chung, ben and the iraqi government.

in message <[email hidden]>,

RicodJour (') said:

Mike Henry said:

And dismaying to watch those that [censored] and moaned about Clinton
remaining silent now.

A voice of reason?! You sure you've got the right newsgroup,
buddy? 😉

I have enough righteous indignation to go around and see no reason to
limit it based or race, creed, political affiliation or for starting a
war under false pretenses that sucks down our money like it's going
out of style and makes us look like [censored] that didn't learn a
lesson from Vietnam.

Those who will not learn the lessons of history are condemned to repeat it.

--
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;; All in all you're just another hick in the mall
-- Drink C'lloid

Howard Kveck said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Kurgan Gringioni said:

Frickin' Amazing, the new [censored] you learn every day.

It's surprising that the guy he allegedly works for hasn't said anything about
this. Two things: the vice prez is is the so-called "President of the Senate" so that
would mean he falls under the rules of the Senate; alternately, if the OVP is, as
they assert, a separate branch then the Congress could simply refuse to fund them (as
Rahm Emanuel has suggested).

What's funniest about this is that, after spending the entire Clinton era
screaming about an administration that scorned the rule of law, we get an
administration that wipes its ass on the rule of law and the Constitution (etc.)

The right wingers don't care about the Constitution. It was written by
a bunch of godless Humanists; they want to replace it with a new one
that establishes the US as a Dominionist theocracy with enough
consideration for the interests of corporations and the ultrawealthy
that they won't interfere with the religious police that will
terrorize the other 99.9% of Americans.

On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 05:53:23 GMT, Gunner <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

What's funniest about this is that, after spending the entire Clinton era
screaming about an administration that scorned the rule of law, we get an
administration that wipes its ass on the rule of law and the Constitution and the
people who were complaining about Clinton's "abuses" have nothing but excuses and
rationalizations.

And its fasinating to watch those who gave Clinton a pass, or support,
now pissing and moaning about the other side of the aisle.

It all depends on what crimes offend one's sensibilities. Some
people get more upset with adultery, others by ignoring Constitutional
rights.

John Forrest Tomlinson said:

On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 05:53:23 GMT, Gunner <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

And its fasinating to watch those who gave Clinton a pass, or support,
now pissing and moaning about the other side of the aisle.

But it's also reasonable, since the stuff Clinton did was either good
for the country, or very minor things that he did wrong.

Blink blink.....wow....

And folks call me partisan....blind loyalty to the party...denial of the
facts.....

Son...wake up and smell the country. While Clinton wasnt the
worst...Carter, Polk, Coolidge Bucannan, ..er...there were worse...but
your claim that Clinton was "good" for the country....blink
blink.....chortle....is without....merit to say the least.

Now if his wife the Hildabeast gets in..she is gonna make Carter or
Harding look like pikers.

Gunner

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On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 08:01:39 -0600, "Mike Henry" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

"Gunner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Howard Kveck said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
Kurgan Gringioni <[email hidden]> wrote:

> Frickin' Amazing, the new [censored] you learn every day.

It's surprising that the guy he allegedly works for hasn't said
anything about
this. Two things: the vice prez is is the so-called "President of the
Senate" so that
would mean he falls under the rules of the Senate; alternately, if the OVP
is, as
they assert, a separate branch then the Congress could simply refuse to
fund them (as
Rahm Emanuel has suggested).

What's funniest about this is that, after spending the entire Clinton
era
screaming about an administration that scorned the rule of law, we get an
administration that wipes its ass on the rule of law and the Constitution
and the
people who were complaining about Clinton's "abuses" have nothing but
excuses and
rationalizations.

And its fasinating to watch those who gave Clinton a pass, or support,
now pissing and moaning about the other side of the aisle.

And dismaying to watch those that [censored] and moaned about Clinton remaining
silent now.

Mike

Yup. When Bush's high crimes and misdemeaners rise to that of
Clinton..the Right will be [censored]. In fact..the Right is already
[censored] about Bush. Has been since we elected that moderate SOB. A
whole bunch of conservatives have been complaining about Bush since he
accomplished exactly what he promised when he ran for office. But
considering there were no other viable choices....we got what we voted
for. Least its not still called the Whitehouse, rather than Kremlin West
as it would be if any of the Dems had won.

Gunner

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On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 15:23:28 +0100, Simon Brooke <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

in message <[email hidden]>,

RicodJour (') said:

Mike Henry said:

And dismaying to watch those that [censored] and moaned about Clinton
remaining silent now.

A voice of reason?! You sure you've got the right newsgroup,
buddy? 😉

I have enough righteous indignation to go around and see no reason to
limit it based or race, creed, political affiliation or for starting a
war under false pretenses that sucks down our money like it's going
out of style and makes us look like [censored] that didn't learn a
lesson from Vietnam.

Those who will not learn the lessons of history are condemned to repeat it.

Ayup..we won in Vietnam, and lost the war in Congress and the media

Pretty much the same today.

We should have hung the leftists then and we should hang them now.

Gunner

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On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 08:20:23 -0700, [email hidden]

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

administration that wipes its ass on the rule of law and the Constitution (etc.)

The right wingers don't care about the Constitution. It was written by
a bunch of godless Humanists; they want to replace it with a new one
that establishes the US as a Dominionist theocracy with enough
consideration for the interests of corporations and the ultrawealthy
that they won't interfere with the religious police that will
terrorize the other 99.9% of Americans.

Sure Comrade sure. Be sure to check under your bed and in your
closets.there might be a Christian Commando lurking.

snicker...seek help you poor demented bufoon..consult a mental health
professional asap.

Gunner

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On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 15:25:25 GMT, Howard Brazee <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 05:53:23 GMT, Gunner <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

What's funniest about this is that, after spending the entire Clinton era
screaming about an administration that scorned the rule of law, we get an
administration that wipes its ass on the rule of law and the Constitution and the
people who were complaining about Clinton's "abuses" have nothing but excuses and
rationalizations.

And its fasinating to watch those who gave Clinton a pass, or support,
now pissing and moaning about the other side of the aisle.

It all depends on what crimes offend one's sensibilities. Some
people get more upset with adultery, others by ignoring Constitutional
rights.

Ayup. Bush isnt a serial rapist though. And both tried to circumvent
the Constitution. Big deal is though..Clinton got away with it. Bush
hasnt.

Gunner

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Gunner said:

On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 15:23:28 +0100, Simon Brooke <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

in message <[email hidden]>,
RicodJour ([email hidden]'😉 wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

On Jun 24, 10:01 am, "Mike Henry" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> And dismaying to watch those that [censored] and moaned about Clinton
> remaining silent now.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

A voice of reason?! You sure you've got the right newsgroup,
buddy? 😉

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I have enough righteous indignation to go around and see no reason to
limit it based or race, creed, political affiliation or for starting a
war under false pretenses that sucks down our money like it's going
out of style and makes us look like [censored] that didn't learn a
lesson from Vietnam.

Quoted message said:

Those who will not learn the lessons of history are condemned to repeat it.

Ayup..we won in Vietnam, and lost the war in Congress and the media

Won in Vietnam? Oh, right. I'd forgotten that the objective was to
have North Vietnam take over the south, and have the Communist party
make Socialist reforms. Not sure how I could have missed that.

I guess in your mind Vietnam is a more successful version of how the
Korean war was won.

Wot a maroon.

Quoted message said:

Pretty much the same today.

Right. We still have stupid people getting us into stupid wars,
spending hundreds of billions on something we can't "win" without
nuking an entire region, and the same stupid people wishing for the
good old days.

It's not about Democrat vs. Republican, nor liberal vs. conservative.
It's about stupid vs. pragmatic. You've made it quite clear which
camp you're in.

I'd thought that your handle "gunner" was some reference to military
service. Appears that I was mistaken and it indicates your
predilection for a drink for pussies. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunner_%28cocktail%29

R

On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 16:16:39 GMT, Gunner <[email hidden]>
wrote:
[about "getting away with" circumventing the Constitution]

Quoted message said:

Bush
hasnt.

What do you mean he hasn't?

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Gunner said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

And its fasinating to watch those who gave Clinton a pass, or support,
now pissing and moaning about the other side of the aisle.

It all depends on what crimes offend one's sensibilities. Some
people get more upset with adultery, others by ignoring Constitutional
rights.

Ayup. Bush isnt a serial rapist though.

Poor persuasive technique. Too grandiose, no attempt to support or
justify. Comes off as simple name calling.

Realize, I'm not asking you to support the claim, just pointing that it
looks more like name calling than anything else. You might avoid doing
this in the future, unless you just enjoy doing it.

Quoted message said:

And both tried to circumvent
the Constitution. Big deal is though..Clinton got away with it. Bush
hasnt.

Actually Bush has. He'll never get in trouble for it and the reasons are
interesting.

Where Bush has broken the law and undermined the Constitution, he has
generally had the support of the Senate and the House and the majority
of the American people. A couple years later, when they've calmed down,
they all point the finger at Bush. He's President and he did what he
did, so it's fair I guess. But it's a bit problematic in that most of
the people pointing their fingers NOW supported everything a few years
ago. They can't take any action that involves assigning responsibility
in a reasonable way without implicating themselves. So all they can do
is whine and [censored] and hope that no one asks any difficult questions.

Clinton, on the other hand, did what he did in a back room with only one
other person involved. So he was fair game to receive the full load of
whatever righteous indignation we felt like dumping on him. Far more
satisfying, really.

Gunner said:

On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 08:20:23 -0700, [email hidden]

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

administration that wipes its ass on the rule of law and the Constitution (etc.)

Quoted message said:

The right wingers don't care about the Constitution. It was written by
a bunch of godless Humanists; they want to replace it with a new one
that establishes the US as a Dominionist theocracy with enough
consideration for the interests of corporations and the ultrawealthy
that they won't interfere with the religious police that will
terrorize the other 99.9% of Americans.

Sure Comrade sure. Be sure to check under your bed and in your
closets.there might be a Christian Commando lurking.

snicker...seek help you poor demented bufoon..consult a mental health
professional asap.

Gunner

Where'd ya get your name, and what are you trying to tell us with it?
The concept of Christian Commandos hadn't occured to me but it seemed
to pop into your head pretty easily.

Now that your bring it up, though, there's no question that the right
wing fundies want to be in your bedroom. They spend an odd amount of
time and effort worrying about what goes on in other people's. It's
really weird.

Gunner said:

A whole bunch of conservatives have been complaining about Bush since he
accomplished exactly what he promised when he ran for office. But
considering there were no other viable choices....we got what we voted
for. Least its not still called the Whitehouse, rather than Kremlin West
as it would be if any of the Dems had won.

Tovarisch,

I thought the Democrats were for signing away the
national security to Al Qaeda and putting the nation
under Sharia law. Now you tell me that we're
planning to give the country to Putin and the Kremlin
and institute KGB surveillance of all right-thinking
Americans? That's very secularist, it's a complete
reversion to our Democratic platform during the
Cold War.

I mean, I'm still 100% behind giving the country away
to our enemies, but which enemies? I have to make
plans, you know. Jeez, I wish Pelosi and Rahm Emanuel
would keep the >50% of Americans who support treason
at the highest levels of government better informed.

Das vidanya,
Ben