OT: Clarkson

spindrift said:

Just to clarify, you reckon I'm encouraging anti-cyclist sentiment by
attacking idiot drivers, but Clarkson saying he''s run over and kill
cyclists for a laugh is perfectly acceptable?

Just to clarify, the *way* you are attacking idiot drivers is
encouraging anti-cyclist sentiment, because it is a display of
undisguised and emotional hatred. That never goes down well in the UK,
and if it comes from a cyclist then that's bad for cyclists.

I don't think what JC said in the Sun was "perfectly acceptable", what
I'm saying is entirely /predictable/ if people persist in rising to the
bait, because that's what it is. It's bait. And when it's taken it
makes "entertainment" and in turn money, so it carries on. So if you
want it to stop then you stop taking the bait.

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

Peter Clinch said:

spindrift said:

Just to clarify, you reckon I'm encouraging anti-cyclist sentiment by
attacking idiot drivers, but Clarkson saying he''s run over and kill
cyclists for a laugh is perfectly acceptable?

Just to clarify, the *way* you are attacking idiot drivers is
encouraging anti-cyclist sentiment, because it is a display of
undisguised and emotional hatred. That never goes down well in the UK,
and if it comes from a cyclist then that's bad for cyclists.

I don't think what JC said in the Sun was "perfectly acceptable", what
I'm saying is entirely /predictable/ if people persist in rising to the
bait, because that's what it is. It's bait. And when it's taken it
makes "entertainment" and in turn money, so it carries on. So if you
want it to stop then you stop taking the bait.

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

"Just to clarify, the *way* you are attacking idiot drivers is
encouraging anti-cyclist sentiment, because it is a display of
undisguised and emotional hatred. "

Examples please.

Third time of asking, show me any post where I've encouraged using
vehicles as weapons against other people or anything like it.

If a broadcaster encourages assaults on cyclists then I'll call them a
gutless coward. Your blaming me for the original outburst takes the
biscuit, stop making a fool of yourself.

Call it political correctness, call it over-sensitivity, but as a
cyclist I object to journalists encouraging people to run me over.

I don't run red lights, but I do think the death penalty for those who
do is rather over the top.

'Jeremy Clarkson-types' carrying out attacks on Oxford cyclistsBack to
Communities

Spate of attacks on Oxford's
cyclists "Jeremy Clarkson-types" who resent cyclists' ability to dodge
traffic could be to blame for a series of incidents in which riders
have been attacked in and around a city, a cycling pressure group said
today.

The warning came as a 26-year-old man was shoved from his bike in
Abingdon, south of Oxford, sustaining bruising and cuts to his knees,
elbows and hips.

http://www.24dash.com/content/news/viewNews.php?navID=7&newsID=8007

Cyclist attacked by moped riders

A cyclist suffered life-threatening injuries when she was deliberately
knocked off her bike by moped riders.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6329125.stm

Man jailed for driving attack on cyclist.

An Edinburgh driver has been jailed for nine months for deliberately
knocking a cyclist off his bike.

http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/man-jailed-for-driving-attack-on-cyclist-13370

spindrift said:

Examples please.

just read back your own posts in this thread for examples of undisguised
emotional hatred.

Quoted message said:

Third time of asking, show me any post where I've encouraged using
vehicles as weapons against other people or anything like it.

I have never suggested you have done, so however many times you ask
isn't relevant.

Quoted message said:

If a broadcaster encourages assaults on cyclists then I'll call them a
gutless coward. Your blaming me for the original outburst takes the
biscuit, stop making a fool of yourself.

I'm not blaming you for "the original outburst", I'm pointing out that
the way you react with additional foaming at the gills isn't actually
useful to anyone.

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

spindrift said:

Call it political correctness, call it over-sensitivity, but as a
cyclist I object to journalists encouraging people to run me over.

I don't run red lights, but I do think the death penalty for those who
do is rather over the top.

'Jeremy Clarkson-types' carrying out attacks on Oxford cyclistsBack to
Communities

Spate of attacks on Oxford's
cyclists "Jeremy Clarkson-types" who resent cyclists' ability to dodge
traffic could be to blame for a series of incidents in which riders
have been attacked in and around a city, a cycling pressure group said
today.

The warning came as a 26-year-old man was shoved from his bike in
Abingdon, south of Oxford, sustaining bruising and cuts to his knees,
elbows and hips.

http://www.24dash.com/content/news/viewNews.php?navID=7&newsID=8007

Cyclist attacked by moped riders

Quoted message said:

A cyclist suffered life-threatening injuries when she was deliberately
knocked off her bike by moped riders.

Quoted message said:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6329125.stm

Quoted message said:

Man jailed for driving attack on cyclist.

Quoted message said:

An Edinburgh driver has been jailed for nine months for deliberately
knocking a cyclist off his bike.

Quoted message said:

http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/man-jailed-for-driving-attack-on-cyclist-13370

Are you claiming:

(a) that nothing of the sort ever happened before J Clarkson came to
fame? or

(b) that any of the above can be shown (the word is *shown*, not
"suggested"😉 to be in any way linked to Clarkson or his utterances, or
even

(c) that Clarkson is particularly revered amongst moped riders?

What's that funny scratching sound in the distance? It sounds like the
bottom of a barrel being scraped...

Quoted message said:

"I'm pointing out that
the way you react with additional foaming at the gills isn't actually
useful".

If someone threatens cyclists in print I'll criticise them.

If someone threatens a cyclist in my presence I'll intervene, I'm
sorry you feel differently.

On 13 Dec, 11:30, JNugent <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

spindrift said:

Call it political correctness, call it over-sensitivity, but as a
cyclist I object to journalists encouraging people to run me over.

Quoted message said:

I don't run red lights, but I do think the death penalty for those who
do is rather over the top.

Quoted message said:

'Jeremy Clarkson-types' carrying out attacks on Oxford cyclistsBack to
Communities

Quoted message said:

Spate of attacks on Oxford's
cyclists "Jeremy Clarkson-types" who resent cyclists' ability to dodge
traffic could be to blame for a series of incidents in which riders
have been attacked in and around a city, a cycling pressure group said
today.

Quoted message said:

The warning came as a 26-year-old man was shoved from his bike in
Abingdon, south of Oxford, sustaining bruising and cuts to his knees,
elbows and hips.

Quoted message said:

http://www.24dash.com/content/news/viewNews.php?navID=7&newsID=8007

Quoted message said:

Cyclist attacked by moped riders
A cyclist suffered life-threatening injuries when she was deliberately
knocked off her bike by moped riders.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6329125.stm
Man jailed for driving attack on cyclist.
An Edinburgh driver has been jailed for nine months for deliberately
knocking a cyclist off his bike.
http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/man-jailed-for-driving-attack-o...

Are you claiming:

(a) that nothing of the sort ever happened before J Clarkson came to
fame? or

(b) that any of the above can be shown (the word is *shown*, not
"suggested"😉 to be in any way linked to Clarkson or his utterances, or
even

(c) that Clarkson is particularly revered amongst moped riders?

What's that funny scratching sound in the distance? It sounds like the
bottom of a barrel being scraped...

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There have been attacks on cyclists.

Clarkson endorses such attacks in a paper read by 8 million.

Take Jim Davidson.

Suppose racist attacks were on the increase and Davidson wrote in The
Sun:

"Blacks. Don't get in my way or I'll kill you".

Would this:

1/

Raise the likelihood of racist attacks?

2/

Decrease the likelihood of racist attacks?

When actors leave Corrie the producers get CV's from barmen who want a
job in the Rovers.

Quite a few teenagers have been badly hurt copying Jackass stunts.

But Clarkson has no influence?

I should cocoa.

spindrift said:

"I'm pointing out that
the way you react with additional foaming at the gills isn't actually
useful".

Quoted message said:

If someone threatens cyclists in print I'll criticise them.

It's not sinking in, is it? The *way* one does one's criticism will
have an effect on how that criticism is received and reacted to and thus
how useful it is.

Quoted message said:

If someone threatens a cyclist in my presence I'll intervene, I'm
sorry you feel differently.

There you go again: I don't feel differently in as much as some
intervention may be apposite, *BUT* "intervention" does not have a
single value, there are different ways one can go about doing it.

But you're so perpetually /angry/ about things that you can never calm
down enough to see that. That you manage to [censored] people that
/should be on your side/ is just an indication that you really could do
with stopping and thinking about the way you go about cycling activism.

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

Peter Clinch said:

spindrift said:

"I'm pointing out that
the way you react with additional foaming at the gills isn't actually
useful".
If someone threatens cyclists in print I'll criticise them.

It's not sinking in, is it? The *way* one does one's criticism will
have an effect on how that criticism is received and reacted to and thus
how useful it is.

Quoted message said:

If someone threatens a cyclist in my presence I'll intervene, I'm
sorry you feel differently.

There you go again: I don't feel differently in as much as some
intervention may be apposite, *BUT* "intervention" does not have a
single value, there are different ways one can go about doing it.

But you're so perpetually /angry/ about things that you can never calm
down enough to see that. That you manage to [censored] people that
/should be on your side/ is just an indication that you really could do
with stopping and thinking about the way you go about cycling activism.

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

I'm not angry, I'm amused and slightly peckish.

And I honestly still don't get it- you maintain, contradictorily,
that:

a)

My internet burblings encourage hatred of cyclists.

b)

Clarkson threatening cyclists in print has no effect.

Projection, I reckon, you don't particularly like me so you claim
people like me who attack irresponsible drivers do a misservice. Deal
with it old darling, just try to cope as best you can cos I ain't
stopping.

I don't think my posts encourage anything at all really, and
criticising bad drivers is a world away from the posts on pistonheads
and Safespeeding fantasising about killing cyclists- complain to them
if you like.

spindrift said:

JNugent said:

spindrift wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Call it political correctness, call it over-sensitivity, but as a
cyclist I object to journalists encouraging people to run me over.
I don't run red lights, but I do think the death penalty for those who
do is rather over the top.
'Jeremy Clarkson-types' carrying out attacks on Oxford cyclistsBack to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Communities
Spate of attacks on Oxford's
cyclists "Jeremy Clarkson-types" who resent cyclists' ability to dodge
traffic could be to blame for a series of incidents in which riders
have been attacked in and around a city, a cycling pressure group said
today.
The warning came as a 26-year-old man was shoved from his bike in
Abingdon, south of Oxford, sustaining bruising and cuts to his knees,
elbows and hips.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

http://www.24dash.com/content/news/viewNews.php?navID=7&newsID=8007

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Cyclist attacked by moped riders
A cyclist suffered life-threatening injuries when she was deliberately
knocked off her bike by moped riders.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6329125.stm
Man jailed for driving attack on cyclist.
An Edinburgh driver has been jailed for nine months for deliberately
knocking a cyclist off his bike.
http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/man-jailed-for-driving-attack-o...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Are you claiming:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

(a) that nothing of the sort ever happened before J Clarkson came to
fame? or

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

(b) that any of the above can be shown (the word is *shown*, not
"suggested"😉 to be in any way linked to Clarkson or his utterances, or
even

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

(c) that Clarkson is particularly revered amongst moped riders?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

What's that funny scratching sound in the distance? It sounds like the
bottom of a barrel being scraped...

Quoted message said:

There have been attacks on cyclists.
Clarkson endorses such attacks in a paper read by 8 million.

And?

Quoted message said:

Take Jim Davidson.
Suppose racist attacks were on the increase and Davidson wrote in The
Sun:
"Blacks. Don't get in my way or I'll kill you".
Would this:
1/
Raise the likelihood of racist attacks?
2/
Decrease the likelihood of racist attacks?

You tell me - you're the Sun reader, not I.

Quoted message said:

When actors leave Corrie the producers get CV's from barmen who want a
job in the Rovers.
Quite a few teenagers have been badly hurt copying Jackass stunts.
But Clarkson has no influence?
I should cocoa.

So that's a "no" to all three, then?

spindrift said:

And I honestly still don't get it- you maintain, contradictorily,
that:

a)

My internet burblings encourage hatred of cyclists.

b)

Clarkson threatening cyclists in print has no effect.

Since I have never said that Clarkson threatening cyclists in print has
no effect, I don't maintain it all, and thus cannot contradictorily
maintain it.

Do you ever actually *read* what other people say?

Quoted message said:

Projection, I reckon, you don't particularly like me so you claim
people like me who attack irresponsible drivers do a misservice.

No, it's the other way around. I believe the way you go about your
ranting is a Bad Thing for cyclists, /and that is why I don't like you
much/. You have the cause and effect the wrong way around.

Quoted message said:

I don't think my posts encourage anything at all really

Not true, you encourage use of killfiles... Bye!

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

spindrift said:

"I think you'll find that he was was actually refering to red light
jumpers
when he said that he'd like to run them over."

No , he didn't

[snippety]

Spindrift, sometimes you can be a complete muppet.

You posted this by pasting in a quote from a random message in the
thread, but you used the reply button when you were looking at my
post. Coincidentally, my message was about how it is possible to post
correctly from Google Groups. A tip:
In 'options' select 'veiw as tree'. This will show you how the
different posts relate to each other, and helps you navigate round the
thread. Please don't just stick posts in random places - reply to the
post containing the bit you're referring to. It makes life much easier
for everyone.

Thanks

TL

(Roger Merriman) said:

The Luggage said:

(Roger Merriman) said:

mb <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

big snips........

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> Can nobody post properly and trim posts anymore? I've included
> everything deliberately, so you can see what a mess it is.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

mm google groups and outlook both highly regarded news readers...

Quoted message said:

it is perfectly possible to post a reasonably formatted post using GG.
You can even ask it to supply previous posts in a sort of tree format
rather than just as a message board, to make it look vaguely like a
proper newsreader.

Quoted message said:

TL

indeed, you can. ( i use google groups when out and about with my
internet tablet ) further up the thread is ample reason why some do
killfile googlegroups.

if you mean spindrift's irrelevant follow-up to my post, I've just
spotted it and castigated him for being a complete muppet...

TL

In article <6349fe43-3edb-4457-bdc7-5a67c342b1e8
@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, spindrift
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

I don't think my posts encourage anything at all really,

The way that you express your views does you no favours. If people here
find you irritating then just how seriously do you think you'll be taken
by non-cyclists? You present as a self-righteous indignant bobble-hat-
wearing vegan crusader[1], just the sort of image that cyclists want to
avoid if cycling is to be accepted as a viable means of transport and
health improvement rather than a crank lifestyle choice.

[1] No offence to non-strident bobble-hat-wearing vegans is intended or
implied.

Rob Morley said:

In article <6349fe43-3edb-4457-bdc7-5a67c342b1e8
@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, spindrift
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

I don't think my posts encourage anything at all really,

The way that you express your views does you no favours. If people here
find you irritating then just how seriously do you think you'll be taken
by non-cyclists? You present as a self-righteous indignant bobble-hat-
wearing vegan crusader[1], just the sort of image that cyclists want to
avoid if cycling is to be accepted as a viable means of transport and
health improvement rather than a crank lifestyle choice.

[1] No offence to non-strident bobble-hat-wearing vegans is intended or
implied.

If someone is irritated by criticism of irresponsible drivers to the
extent of taking it out on cyclists, a pretty bizarre notion, then
Clarkson's words are doubly irresponsible and deserve the criticism. I
eat bacon.

In article
<[email hidden]>,

spindrift said:

Rob Morley said:

In article <6349fe43-3edb-4457-bdc7-5a67c342b1e8
@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, spindrift
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

I don't think my posts encourage anything at all really,

The way that you express your views does you no favours. If people here
find you irritating then just how seriously do you think you'll be taken
by non-cyclists? You present as a self-righteous indignant bobble-hat-
wearing vegan crusader[1], just the sort of image that cyclists want to
avoid if cycling is to be accepted as a viable means of transport and
health improvement rather than a crank lifestyle choice.

[1] No offence to non-strident bobble-hat-wearing vegans is intended or
implied.

If someone is irritated by criticism of irresponsible drivers to the
extent of taking it out on cyclists, a pretty bizarre notion, then
Clarkson's words are doubly irresponsible and deserve the criticism. I
eat bacon.

I'm a vegetarian cyclist who can, but chooses never to, drive who does
on occasion (i.e. during winter!) wear odd head gear, some of which has
been know to incorporate a bobble or two.

Merely as a data point I'd like to say I find Clarkson extremely funny
and watch Top Gear every week; it has never occurred to me to take him
or any of the rest of the daft banter seriously.

On the other hand I find your desperate spittle-doused fulminations
rather irritating and hope to heaven no one will ever tar me with your
brush.

Anyway. Toodle pip - must get the silly hat on to ride home.

--
Sara

The teeth are free at last! Fly free, young teethies!

spindrift said:

Rob Morley said:

In article <6349fe43-3edb-4457-bdc7-5a67c342b1e8
@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, spindrift
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

I don't think my posts encourage anything at all really,

The way that you express your views does you no favours. If people here
find you irritating then just how seriously do you think you'll be taken
by non-cyclists? You present as a self-righteous indignant bobble-hat-
wearing vegan crusader[1], just the sort of image that cyclists want to
avoid if cycling is to be accepted as a viable means of transport and
health improvement rather than a crank lifestyle choice.

[1] No offence to non-strident bobble-hat-wearing vegans is intended or
implied.

If someone is irritated by criticism of irresponsible drivers to the
extent of taking it out on cyclists, a pretty bizarre notion, then
Clarkson's words are doubly irresponsible and deserve the criticism. I
eat bacon.

so the crank it is then?

roger
--
www.rogermerriman.com

Sara Kirk said:

In article
<[email hidden]>,

spindrift said:

Rob Morley said:

In article <6349fe43-3edb-4457-bdc7-5a67c342b1e8
@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, spindrift
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> I don't think my posts encourage anything at all really,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The way that you express your views does you no favours. If people here
find you irritating then just how seriously do you think you'll be taken
by non-cyclists? You present as a self-righteous indignant bobble-hat-
wearing vegan crusader[1], just the sort of image that cyclists want to
avoid if cycling is to be accepted as a viable means of transport and
health improvement rather than a crank lifestyle choice.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

[1] No offence to non-strident bobble-hat-wearing vegans is intended or
implied.

Quoted message said:

If someone is irritated by criticism of irresponsible drivers to the
extent of taking it out on cyclists, a pretty bizarre notion, then
Clarkson's words are doubly irresponsible and deserve the criticism. I
eat bacon.

I'm a vegetarian cyclist who can, but chooses never to, drive who does
on occasion (i.e. during winter!) wear odd head gear, some of which has
been know to incorporate a bobble or two.

Merely as a data point I'd like to say I find Clarkson extremely funny
and watch Top Gear every week; it has never occurred to me to take him
or any of the rest of the daft banter seriously.

On the other hand I find your desperate spittle-doused fulminations
rather irritating and hope to heaven no one will ever tar me with your
brush.

Anyway. Toodle pip - must get the silly hat on to ride home.

--
Sara

The teeth are free at last! Fly free, young teethies!- Hide quoted text -

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Frothing at the gills AND spittle-flecked, quite a trick.

Once again, I doubt whether you would attack anyone just because a fat
boorish minor celebrity endorses attacking people Sara, I'm just not
sure there isn't at least a few Sun readers who aren't at your irony
detection level.

From The Sun discussion pages, an example of Clarkson's audience:

13/12/2007 15:00:13
Re:Canadian Muslim father kills 16yr old daughter for, guess what?

"She's ugly anyway. At least its one less mussie in the world."

http://www.thesun.co.uk/discussions/posts/list/9/Canadian_Muslim_father_kills_16yr_old_daughter_for~44~_guess_what~63~-46219.page

spindrift said:

Peter Clinch said:

spindrift said:

"I'm pointing out that
the way you react with additional foaming at the gills isn't actually
useful".
If someone threatens cyclists in print I'll criticise them.

Quoted message said:

It's not sinking in, is it? The *way* one does one's criticism will
have an effect on how that criticism is received and reacted to and thus
how useful it is.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

If someone threatens a cyclist in my presence I'll intervene, I'm
sorry you feel differently.

Quoted message said:

There you go again: I don't feel differently in as much as some
intervention may be apposite, *BUT* "intervention" does not have a
single value, there are different ways one can go about doing it.

Quoted message said:

But you're so perpetually /angry/ about things that you can never calm
down enough to see that. That you manage to [censored] people that
/should be on your side/ is just an indication that you really could do
with stopping and thinking about the way you go about cycling activism.

Quoted message said:

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

I'm not angry, I'm amused and slightly peckish.

And I honestly still don't get it- you maintain, contradictorily,
that:

a)

My internet burblings encourage hatred of cyclists.

b)

Clarkson threatening cyclists in print has no effect.

Projection, I reckon, you don't particularly like me so you claim
people like me who attack irresponsible drivers do a misservice. Deal
with it old darling, just try to cope as best you can cos I ain't
stopping.

I don't think my posts encourage anything at all really, and
criticising bad drivers is a world away from the posts on pistonheads
and Safespeeding fantasising about killing cyclists- complain to them
if you like.- Hide quoted text -

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As I posted earlier, only the paranoid would take Clarkson's comments
seriously

QED

Sir Jeremy said:

spindrift said:

On 13 Dec, 12:07, Peter Clinch <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

spindrift wrote:
> "I'm pointing out that
> the way you react with additional foaming at the gills isn't actually
> useful".
> If someone threatens cyclists in print I'll criticise them.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

It's not sinking in, is it? The *way* one does one's criticism will
have an effect on how that criticism is received and reacted to and thus
how useful it is.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> If someone threatens a cyclist in my presence I'll intervene, I'm
> sorry you feel differently.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

There you go again: I don't feel differently in as much as some
intervention may be apposite, *BUT* "intervention" does not have a
single value, there are different ways one can go about doing it.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

But you're so perpetually /angry/ about things that you can never calm
down enough to see that. That you manage to [censored] people that
/should be on your side/ is just an indication that you really could do
with stopping and thinking about the way you go about cycling activism.

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I'm not angry, I'm amused and slightly peckish.

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And I honestly still don't get it- you maintain, contradictorily,
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My internet burblings encourage hatred of cyclists.

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b)

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Clarkson threatening cyclists in print has no effect.

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Projection, I reckon, you don't particularly like me so you claim
people like me who attack irresponsible drivers do a misservice. Deal
with it old darling, just try to cope as best you can cos I ain't
stopping.

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I don't think my posts encourage anything at all really, and
criticising bad drivers is a world away from the posts on pistonheads
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As I posted earlier, only the paranoid would take Clarkson's comments
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Quite. Someone like nulhq, for instance? I'd suggest people who
rejoice at the murder of muslim girls are not the kind of people to
take Clarkson's encouragement of violence as a joke. The funny thing
is, the bouffant buffoon did make a programme about VC winners that
was interesting and well made. At the end Clarkson says he never met
the incredibly brave chap the programme was about, which was a shame,
he said, because he is both fascinated by the story of how the VC was
won by the brave soldier, and he married his daughter. (Although the
reason Clarkson punched Piers Morgan in the head was cos The Mirror
had snaps of Clarkson and a lady who was not his wife... )