OT: Clarkson

"Sir Jeremy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Top Gear's audience is in the millions, I believe its the most popular
programme on BBC2 and one of the corporations biggest sellers across
the world. Many people I know (who aren't by any stretch of the
imagination petrolheads or teenage boys) find it compulsive viewing

No [censored]?
That is so exciting Sir! I have damp trousers just thinking about it.
Put's it on terms with soaps / Springer.

John

tam said:

"Sir Jeremy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]

... On 8 Dec said:

"Sir Jeremy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

news:[email hidden]
om...

Quoted message said:

On 8 Dec, 10:33, Simon Brooke <[email hidden]> wrote:
> in message
>

<[email hidden]>,
Sir

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> Jeremy ([email hidden]'😉 wrote:
> > On 6 Dec, 19:04, Ed_Zep <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >> Ok, he's the bane of cyclists but...

Quoted message said:

> > only because cyclists are paranoid about criticism

Quoted message said:

> Only because he personally, threatened, in print, to deliberately
murder >>> law-abiding cyclists. You can't get more clearly a

'bane', in the >>> technical sense of that term, than that.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> --
> [email hidden] (Simon

Brooke)http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> ;; It's dangerous to be right when the government is

wrong. >>> ;; Voltaire RIP Dr David
Kelly 1945-2004

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

only the paranoid took those comments literally

Point is JC is making shed loads of money from his carefully crafted
persona-he is after all in one of the most disrespected
occupations-journalism.
He knows what he is doing its all scripted in his head.
Unfortunately a significant minority of his fans are either in short
trousers or like my son 30 going on 15--these fans can buy 240HP
Japanese cars for #800 on e-bay and then according to
insurance/police statistics commit mayhem on the roads.
JC stands for the mad bad old days when there were 6000? deaths per
year with a tiny fraction of todays 20 million cars.
The sooner he retires the better-thankfully his slimming seems to
have brought on decreptitude---role on his bumblings about wine from
some "undiscovered" corner of Europe------near an autobhan--perhaps.
Tam- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Top Gear's audience is in the millions, I believe its the most popular
programme on BBC2 and one of the corporations biggest sellers across
the world. Many people I know (who aren't by any stretch of the
imagination petrolheads or teenage boys) find it compulsive viewing

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Viewing figures of Top Gear and its positive value are two very
separate things. They should have more bike/car races during
rush hour though.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Loved the Reliant Robin into outer space------if only JC had been
in it{joke}a fan of Top Gear-- Not. Tam

Can nobody post properly and trim posts anymore? I've included
everything deliberately, so you can see what a mess it is.

--
Mike
Van Tuyl titanium Dura ace 10
Fausto Coppi aluminium Ultegra 10
Raleigh Record sprint mongrel
Huissoon project bike (in bits, natch)

mb <[email hidden]> wrote:

big snips........

Quoted message said:

Can nobody post properly and trim posts anymore? I've included
everything deliberately, so you can see what a mess it is.

mm google groups and outlook both highly regarded news readers...

roger
--
www.rogermerriman.com

John Clayton said:

"Sir Jeremy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:b4fad88c-ec7e-4a4d-8f90-

Quoted message said:

only the paranoid took those comments literally

I took them literally, not in the "hilarious" way others have suggested on
his behalf.
Simply because of his audience. The UK national newspaper , our gutterpress
soaraway Sun.
Because I'm cetain his readership will take it literally - where his words
will encourage them to damage and wound perfectly harmless, benign legal
road users - cyclists.
HoHoHo.

*Will* take it seriously, you say?

So how many cases have there been?

Or is this another version of Marxism - "it will happen just as I
predict, honest, guv, stand on me"?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I took them literally, not in the "hilarious" way others have suggested
on his behalf.
Simply because of his audience. The UK national newspaper , our
gutterpress soaraway Sun.
Because I'm cetain his readership will take it literally - where his
words will encourage them to damage and wound perfectly harmless, benign
legal road users - cyclists.
HoHoHo.

*Will* take it seriously, you say?

So how many cases have there been?

Or is this another version of Marxism - "it will happen just as I predict,
honest, guv, stand on me"?

I think its more a question of promoting a concept/culture of driving that
cannot be replicated on a public highway without bringing harm to others.
There will always be monorities at either end of the behavioural spectrum-he
expands the bottom bit-----ahh the old bell shaped curve.
What JC is promoting is a fantasy of 300---450 HP cars on public
roads-------or driving a Fiat 500 as if its a Porsche.
Speed handling power is emphasised---the car the car----------laddish
behaviour.
Right ok I will just get my pipe slippers cocoa and Daily Telegraph.
Tam

"JNugent" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

only the paranoid took those comments literally

I took them literally, not in the "hilarious" way others have suggested
on his behalf.
Simply because of his audience. The UK national newspaper , our
gutterpress soaraway Sun.
Because I'm cetain his readership will take it literally - where his
words will encourage them to damage and wound perfectly harmless, benign
legal road users - cyclists.
HoHoHo.

*Will* take it seriously, you say?

So how many cases have there been?

Or is this another version of Marxism - "it will happen just as I predict,
honest, guv, stand on me"?

Any time vulnerable road users are badly treated - which is often, the
offending drivers will feel justified by "wot they read in The Sun" or that
other anti cycling journal the Daily (hate) Mail.
Sit in any works/ site canteen and listen to the chat, or you could simply
look in these papers and see for yourself just how intolerant they are of
"people who are different".
John
www.calder-clarion.co.uk

On 8 Dec, 18:50, "John Clayton" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

"Sir Jeremy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

news:[email hidden]...

Top Gear's audience is in the millions, I believe its the most popular
programme on BBC2 and one of the corporations biggest sellers across
the world. Many people I know (who aren't by any stretch of the
imagination petrolheads or teenage boys) find it compulsive viewing

No [censored]?
That is so exciting Sir! I have damp trousers just thinking about it.
Put's it on terms with soaps / Springer.

John

You'd better stick to Strictly

On 9 Dec, 07:38, "John Clayton" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

"JNugent" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>only the paranoid took those comments literally

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I took them literally, not in the "hilarious" way others have suggested
on his behalf.
Simply because of his audience. The UK national newspaper , our
gutterpress soaraway Sun.
Because I'm cetain his readership will take it literally - where his
words will encourage them to damage and wound perfectly harmless, benign
legal road users - cyclists.
HoHoHo.

Quoted message said:

*Will* take it seriously, you say?

Quoted message said:

So how many cases have there been?

Quoted message said:

Or is this another version of Marxism - "it will happen just as I predict,
honest, guv, stand on me"?

Any time vulnerable road users are badly treated - which is often, the
offending drivers will feel justified by "wot they read in The Sun" or that
other anti cycling journal the Daily (hate) Mail.
Sit in any works/ site canteen and listen to the chat, or you could simply
look in these papers and see for yourself just how intolerant they are of
"people who are different".
Johnwww.calder-clarion.co.uk- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Hence the sheer nastiness of the remarks about Paul Smith appearance
because he looks " different" and people on here hoping that his heart
attack would prove fatal because they disagree with him

John Clayton said:

"JNugent" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>only the paranoid took those comments literally

I took them literally, not in the "hilarious" way others have suggested
on his behalf.
Simply because of his audience. The UK national newspaper , our
gutterpress soaraway Sun.
Because I'm cetain his readership will take it literally - where his
words will encourage them to damage and wound perfectly harmless, benign
legal road users - cyclists.
HoHoHo.

*Will* take it seriously, you say?

So how many cases have there been?

Or is this another version of Marxism - "it will happen just as I predict,
honest, guv, stand on me"?

Any time vulnerable road users are badly treated - which is often, the
offending drivers will feel justified by "wot they read in The Sun" or that
other anti cycling journal the Daily (hate) Mail.
Sit in any works/ site canteen and listen to the chat, or you could simply
look in these papers and see for yourself just how intolerant they are of
"people who are different".
John
www.calder-clarion.co.uk

When will the first case of a cyclist "killed" by a driver taking
Clarkson "literally" (your word) occur?

Or has it already occurred? If so, when and how, and what is the
evidence for the connection you allege?

"Simon Brooke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

in message
<[email hidden]>, Sir

Jeremy (') said:

Ed_Zep said:

Ok, he's the bane of cyclists but...

only because cyclists are paranoid about criticism

Only because he personally, threatened, in print, to deliberately murder
law-abiding cyclists. You can't get more clearly a 'bane', in the
technical sense of that term, than that.

I think you'll find that he was was actually refering to red light jumpers
when he said that he'd like to run them over. Admittedly, this was after the
all too familiar tarring with the same brush that these rant column writers
do when refering to cyclists.

David Lloyd

Sir Jeremy said:

Hence the sheer nastiness of the remarks about Paul Smith appearance
because he looks " different" and people on here hoping that his heart
attack would prove fatal because they disagree with him

It is not just that we disagree with him, the fraudster actively
promotes dangerous and reckless driving amongst speedophiles like
yourself, that increases the danger of the roads for everyone else.
The idiot then blames technology that is designed to reduce motor
accidents for one third of road deaths, and publicly defends people who
should clearly not be allowed behind the wheel of a motor vehicle.

Personally I would prefer to see the sick individual knocked over
crossing the road outside of his own house by a speeding motorist,
preferably one of his cohorts from the SS. It would be very ironic.

(Roger Merriman) said:

mb <[email hidden]> wrote:

big snips........

Quoted message said:

Can nobody post properly and trim posts anymore? I've included
everything deliberately, so you can see what a mess it is.

mm google groups and outlook both highly regarded news readers...

it is perfectly possible to post a reasonably formatted post using GG.
You can even ask it to supply previous posts in a sort of tree format
rather than just as a message board, to make it look vaguely like a
proper newsreader.

TL

"I think you'll find that he was was actually refering to red light
jumpers
when he said that he'd like to run them over."

No , he didn't

Jeremy Clarkson said he will run over and crush to death any cyclist
ahead of him on the road:

Jeremy Clarkson. The Sun. London (UK): Jul 16, 2005. pg. 33

Copyright (c) News Group Newspapers Limited 2005

IN the wake of the London bombs we're told that many commuters are now
switching to bicycles.

This is great of course. On a bicycle, you don't have to sit next to a
lunatic, you won't be glued to your seat by a piece of chewing gum,
and
you will not be stopped by leaves on the line or industrial action.

However, can I offer five handy hints to those setting out on a bike
for
the first time.

Do not cruise through red lights. Because if I'm coming the other way,
I
will run you down, for fun.

Do not pull up at junctions in front of a line of traffic. Because if
I'm
behind you, I will set off at normal speed and you will be crushed
under
my wheels.

Do not wear lycra shorts unless you are Kate Moss. I do not wish to
cruise
down the road looking at your meat and two veg.

Do not, ever, swear at or curse people in cars or trucks. You are a
guest
on roads that are paid for by motorists so if we cut you up, shut up.

Do not wear a helmet. It makes you look ridiculous.

End quote.

Clarkson believes people who cycle are sub-humans, it doesn't matter
if they are killed or injured. And the end result of car-dependence...
rocketing obesity levels, congestion, air pollution, thousands of
people killed every year by cars (e.g. 41 pedestrians were killed on
pavements by motorists in 2003)

On paul Smith- the man has blood on his hands. He is making the roads
more dangerous to be on and it would be a jolly good thing if he died
because then at least he could be useful as a battery-operated speed
warning.

My idea is to screw lighbulbs into his skull so that his ghastly
sightless eyes flash a warning to anyone dumb enough to listen to his
advice and use public roads as a racetrack.

spindrift said:

Clarkson believes people who cycle are sub-humans

No he doesn't, as is pretty obvious if you do more than scratch the surface.

What he /knows/ is that some opinionated outspokenness with a large
degree of black and/or sarcastic humour that panders to a certain
viewer/readership will go down well and get him well paid.

Quoted message said:

it doesn't matter
if they are killed or injured.

His 2 co=presenters on Top Gear are both cyclists. Do you /genuinely/
think he would think it didn't matter if either of them were killed?

What you're doing is falling straight into the trap of being the sort of
person who can't separate a broadcast persona from reality that just
makes it easier for JC to get a fat pay cheque from doing what he does.
Because whatever you think of him, he is remarkably good at it, with a
proven and popular track record.

Quoted message said:

My idea is to screw lighbulbs into his skull so that his ghastly
sightless eyes flash a warning to anyone dumb enough to listen to his
advice and use public roads as a racetrack.

if you're going to try and be funny, I'd start with a sense of humour...

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

The Luggage said:

(Roger Merriman) said:

mb <[email hidden]> wrote:

big snips........

Quoted message said:

Can nobody post properly and trim posts anymore? I've included
everything deliberately, so you can see what a mess it is.

mm google groups and outlook both highly regarded news readers...

it is perfectly possible to post a reasonably formatted post using GG.
You can even ask it to supply previous posts in a sort of tree format
rather than just as a message board, to make it look vaguely like a
proper newsreader.

TL

indeed, you can. ( i use google groups when out and about with my
internet tablet ) further up the thread is ample reason why some do
killfile googlegroups.

roger
--
www.rogermerriman.com

Peter Clinch said:

spindrift said:

Clarkson believes people who cycle are sub-humans

No he doesn't, as is pretty obvious if you do more than scratch the surface.

What he /knows/ is that some opinionated outspokenness with a large
degree of black and/or sarcastic humour that panders to a certain
viewer/readership will go down well and get him well paid.

Ok, so the character he plays believes "people who cycle are
sub-humans", a lot of his punters won't spot the difference.

Quoted message said:

His 2 co=presenters on Top Gear are both cyclists. Do you /genuinely/
think he would think it didn't matter if either of them were killed?

Some of my best friends are....

Quoted message said:

What you're doing is falling straight into the trap of being the sort of
person who can't separate a broadcast persona from reality that just
makes it easier for JC to get a fat pay cheque from doing what he does.

So he's being ironically stupid, again straight over the heads of many
of his fans.

--
Andy Morris

AndyAtjinkasDotfreeserve.co.uk

--
Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service
------->>>>>>http://www.NewsDemon.com<<<<<<------
Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access

spindrift said:

So anonymous postings on an obscure internet forum could damage
cyclists, but a man boasting in a national paper read by 8 million
people that he will run over and kill cyclists has no effect.

You are a unremitting stream of bum gravy Clinchy.

You've missed the point again. Take the Sun's Page 3 feature. Tired,
pathetic, well past its sell by date, probably up for retiral. What
gave it a new lease of life? Clare Short declaring what a terrible
thing it was and how it ought to go.

People like you are precisely /why/ JC can pick up fans by going on
about cyclists. People like you are part of why he /does/ go on about
cyclists, because you give him an excuse. Take away the excuse and
he'll probably leave it out and stick to what he'd much prefer which is
driving preposterous cars around racing circuits where he can't do any harm.

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

Peter Clinch said:

spindrift said:

So anonymous postings on an obscure internet forum could damage
cyclists, but a man boasting in a national paper read by 8 million
people that he will run over and kill cyclists has no effect.

Quoted message said:

You are a unremitting stream of bum gravy Clinchy.

You've missed the point again. Take the Sun's Page 3 feature. Tired,
pathetic, well past its sell by date, probably up for retiral. What
gave it a new lease of life? Clare Short declaring what a terrible
thing it was and how it ought to go.

People like you are precisely /why/ JC can pick up fans by going on
about cyclists. People like you are part of why he /does/ go on about
cyclists, because you give him an excuse. Take away the excuse and
he'll probably leave it out and stick to what he'd much prefer which is
driving preposterous cars around racing circuits where he can't do any harm.

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

Just to clarify, you reckon I'm encouraging anti-cyclist sentiment by
attacking idiot drivers, but Clarkson saying he''s run over and kill
cyclists for a laugh is perfectly acceptable?

Mate, Clarkson doesn't read this forum, I'm not the reason he writes
his hate-filled diatribes, you're deluded.

A cyclist is paralysed in Essex by a driver who pushed him from his
bike. Now, I can't prove the driver read Clarkson's encouragement of
violent attacks on cyclists but there's a good chance that you are
over estimating your average Sun reader's capacity for irony
detection.

Replace "blacks" with cyclists in that article. Just a laugh?

"Do you think it could be the insufferable

Quoted message said:

air of (entirely-misplaced) superiority and holiness that *some*
cyclists (no names, no packdrill) exhibit "

Which ones?

Who has demonstrated any such thing?

Examples please.

"Your posts are frequently fuelled by undisguised hatred."

Frequently?

I hate killer drivers, if that's what you mean.

Is iT?

Any actual examples of what you claim exists?

Thought not.

"What
gave it a new lease of life? Clare Short declaring what a terrible
thing it was and how it ought to go. "

You've got it the wrong way round.

Clarkson encourages assaults on cyclists. Me and others highlight his
irresponsible, reckless criminality and what happens?

Hammond on a bike wins the commuter race on Top Gear, plainly a sop to
those who think that using vehicles as weapons is a daft thing to
recommend.

A girl with her [censored] out is not quite the same as encouraging murder
clinchy.