OT: Canker sores

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In the past week or so I've developed three different canker sores on my
gums; one is so bad that my cheek is swollen and painful as with an abcessed
tooth! It's affecting my overall health; I feel feverish and lethargic also.
I haven't changed my eating habits or any medications recently . Any idea
what causes these and is there a short-term solution for the pain? I have a
new HMO health insurance plan at work, and for complex reasons won't be able
to see a doctor until September 1st. Any suggestions for easing the pain
and/or helping them go away? How long does it take a commercial product
like Anbesol to work? Someone suggested to me applying hydrogen peroxide
directly with a cotton swab. Does this sound right?

TIA

--
Peter

Hi Peter,

I feel for you. Canker sores are painful. I rinse my mouth out with hydroxen
pyroxide a couple of times a day and they disappear in a day or two.

Yvonne

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In the past week or so I've developed three different canker sores on
my gums; one is so bad that my cheek is swollen and painful as with
an abcessed tooth! It's affecting my overall health; I feel feverish
and lethargic also. I haven't changed my eating habits or any
medications recently . Any idea what causes these

Herpes simplex virus. Stress pften triggers the outbreak. Emotional or
merely physical. I've also noticed not getting enough FFAs and water
tend to trigger one in me.

and is there a

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short-term solution for the pain?

If it is caused by herpes simplex, then ambesol or numbzit or the like
for theething pain would help. If you can find the tooth gum (for use
in filling open cavities w/exposed nerves) that has clove in it it might
help to lay some on the affected area for a short while, or maybe just
put some clove extract on. It will sting a bit, but it does seem to
help sometimes.

I have a new HMO health insurance

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plan at work, and for complex reasons won't be able to see a doctor
until September 1st. Any suggestions for easing the pain and/or
helping them go away? How long does it take a commercial product
like Anbesol to work?

Intstantly, but it doesn't last long and tastes really bad.

Someone suggested to me applying hydrogen

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peroxide directly with a cotton swab. Does this sound right?

You can try if you like. Something just as painful would be lysterine,
but I have had sores go away after using it for a day or two.

--
revek
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and asked, "What wine goes best with an M-16?" The guy who answered
did his best to be helpful: "That depends. What are you smoking?"

marengo said:

In the past week or so I've developed three different canker sores on my
gums; one is so bad that my cheek is swollen and painful as with an abcessed
tooth! It's affecting my overall health; I feel feverish and lethargic also.
I haven't changed my eating habits or any medications recently . Any idea
what causes these and is there a short-term solution for the pain? I have a
new HMO health insurance plan at work, and for complex reasons won't be able
to see a doctor until September 1st. Any suggestions for easing the pain
and/or helping them go away? How long does it take a commercial product
like Anbesol to work? Someone suggested to me applying hydrogen peroxide
directly with a cotton swab. Does this sound right?

TIA

http://familydoctor.org/613.xml

the presence of fever indicates that you should probably see a doctor.

i get them sometimes when i'm stressed, but they go away very quickly
and never cause me any real trouble. your situation doesn't sound so
good. anbesol does help with the smaller ones, but the one that has
your cheek swollen sounds bad to me and i think you should see a doctor
or a dentist asap, even if you have to pay for it out of pocket.

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In the past week or so I've developed three different canker sores on my
gums; one is so bad that my cheek is swollen and painful as with an
abcessed tooth! It's affecting my overall health; I feel feverish and
lethargic also. I haven't changed my eating habits or any medications
recently . Any idea what causes these

Herpes simplex virus.

canker sores are not herpes blisters. they're "recurrent minor aphthous
ulcers."

"The precise mechanism by which canker sores form has not been
definitively determined but it is likely that their development is
related to a reaction of an individual's own immune system.

Canker sores are thought to form when, for unexplained reasons, a
person's immune system identifies the presence of chemical molecules
that it does not recognize. The presence of these molecules activates an
attack by the immune system's lymphocytes (a type of white blood cell),
somewhat like when a person's immune system attacks a transplanted
organ. The carnage of the lymphocytes' attack on these unrecognized
molecules results in the type of mouth ulcers we term canker sores."

http://www.animated-teeth.com/canker_sores/t1_canker_sores.htm#page.top

marengo said:

In the past week or so I've developed three different canker sores on my
gums; one is so bad that my cheek is swollen and painful as with an abcessed
tooth! It's affecting my overall health; I feel feverish and lethargic also.
I haven't changed my eating habits or any medications recently . Any idea
what causes these and is there a short-term solution for the pain? I have a
new HMO health insurance plan at work, and for complex reasons won't be able
to see a doctor until September 1st. Any suggestions for easing the pain
and/or helping them go away? How long does it take a commercial product
like Anbesol to work? Someone suggested to me applying hydrogen peroxide
directly with a cotton swab. Does this sound right?

Alum powder (or a styptic pencil) will dry those suckers right up. Stings
like hell and tastes bad, but it works!

Carol, going back into lurking mode

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In the past week or so I've developed three different canker sores
on my gums; one is so bad that my cheek is swollen and painful as
with an abcessed tooth! It's affecting my overall health; I feel
feverish and lethargic also. I haven't changed my eating habits or
any medications recently . Any idea what causes these

Herpes simplex virus.

canker sores are not herpes blisters. they're "recurrent minor
aphthous ulcers."

I was unaware that canker sore was a specific medical definition. Funny
how both canker sores and HSV-1 are both ubiquious. In any case, HSV-1
blisters develop into full blown uclers rather quickly, so the point is
rather moot, since I doubt Pete has a lab handy in his back pocket to
test for viruses.

http://kidshealth.org/parent/infections/std/herpes.html

" In primary HSV-1, blisters form on the lips and on the inside of the
mouth, and these blisters soon develop into painful ulcers. The gums
become red and swollen, and the tongue may develop a white coating.
Other symptoms may include fever, muscle aches, eating difficulties, a
generally ill feeling, irritability, and swollen neck glands. These
symptoms may last from 3 to 14 days. After this primary episode
subsides, the HSV-1 virus usually lies dormant in nearby nerves.
When the HSV-1 reactivates again, it causes classic cold sores around
the mouth. The term "reactivation" means that a virus that was lying
dormant (meaning it was present but not active) starts to create
symptoms again. In this case, the symptoms may begin with tingling and
numbness in the mouth area, followed by a blister that eventually breaks
and forms a crust. Cold sores caused by reactivation of HSV-1 usually
follow some type of stress, either to the mouth area alone or to the
whole body, including a cold or other infection; a stressful period of
life; unusually long exposure to sunlight; hormone changes in pregnancy;
during menstrual periods; or after a tooth extraction."

<shrug> . Treatment for both is the same. Treat topically with pain
reducers or ice, etc, wash /rinse affected area gently, avoid
irritation, try not to get run down, and try to de-stress yourself .

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> In the past week or so I've developed three different canker sores
> on my gums; one is so bad that my cheek is swollen and painful as
> with an abcessed tooth! It's affecting my overall health; I feel
> feverish and lethargic also. I haven't changed my eating habits or
> any medications recently . Any idea what causes these

Herpes simplex virus.

canker sores are not herpes blisters. they're "recurrent minor
aphthous ulcers."

I was unaware that canker sore was a specific medical definition. Funny
how both canker sores and HSV-1 are both ubiquious. In any case, HSV-1
blisters develop into full blown uclers rather quickly, so the point is
rather moot, since I doubt Pete has a lab handy in his back pocket to
test for viruses.

http://kidshealth.org/parent/infections/std/herpes.html

" In primary HSV-1, blisters form on the lips and on the inside of the
mouth, and these blisters soon develop into painful ulcers. The gums
become red and swollen, and the tongue may develop a white coating.
Other symptoms may include fever, muscle aches, eating difficulties, a
generally ill feeling, irritability, and swollen neck glands. These
symptoms may last from 3 to 14 days. After this primary episode
subsides, the HSV-1 virus usually lies dormant in nearby nerves.
When the HSV-1 reactivates again, it causes classic cold sores around
the mouth. The term "reactivation" means that a virus that was lying
dormant (meaning it was present but not active) starts to create
symptoms again. In this case, the symptoms may begin with tingling and
numbness in the mouth area, followed by a blister that eventually breaks
and forms a crust. Cold sores caused by reactivation of HSV-1 usually
follow some type of stress, either to the mouth area alone or to the
whole body, including a cold or other infection; a stressful period of
life; unusually long exposure to sunlight; hormone changes in pregnancy;
during menstrual periods; or after a tooth extraction."

<shrug> . Treatment for both is the same. Treat topically with pain
reducers or ice, etc, wash /rinse affected area gently, avoid
irritation, try not to get run down, and try to de-stress yourself .

you can take acyclovir or other antiviral drugs if you have herpes, but
they don't do anything to suppress or reduce canker sores.

they're just not the same thing, no matter how similar they seem.

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you can take acyclovir or other antiviral drugs if you have herpes,
but they don't do anything to suppress or reduce canker sores.

they're just not the same thing, no matter how similar they seem.

I didn't mention the antiviral because that is specific to viruses.
Also new and I think not worth the cost of saving a day or two, but
that's just me. But the other advice is the same. Don't irritate it,
keep it clean, destress yourself and ride it out. It should clear up on
it's own in a few days.

--
revek
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revek <[email hidden]> wrote:

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you can take acyclovir or other antiviral drugs if you have herpes,
but they don't do anything to suppress or reduce canker sores.

they're just not the same thing, no matter how similar they seem.

I didn't mention the antiviral because that is specific to viruses.

which is, of course, what herpes is.

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Also new and I think not worth the cost of saving a day or two, but that's
just me.

acyclovir is nothing new, and if you have herpes an ounce of prevention
is well worth a pound of cure. nobody needs to be dealing with that any
more than is absolutely necessary.

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But the other advice is the same. Don't irritate it, keep it clean,
destress yourself and ride it out. It should clear up on it's own in a
few days.

yeah, but herpes can be spread and should never ever be taken lightly.
canker sores are only an annoyance to oneself.

i'm not trying to argue with you, by the way. i just don't want anyone
out there thinking they don't need to deal with their herpes if that's
what they have.

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Alum powder (or a styptic pencil) will dry those suckers right up. Stings
like hell and tastes bad, but it works!

I have to agree with the alum powder - that's always worked for me. Or if
there's no alum, Campho-Phenique works well and numbs the pain instantly.

S t a c i

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revek <[email hidden]> wrote:

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you can take acyclovir or other antiviral drugs if you have herpes,
but they don't do anything to suppress or reduce canker sores.

they're just not the same thing, no matter how similar they seem.

I didn't mention the antiviral because that is specific to viruses.

which is, of course, what herpes is.

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Also new and I think not worth the cost of saving a day or two, but
that's just me.

acyclovir is nothing new

Wait til you reach forty two. Things that are less than 15-20 years
will still have that shiny-out-of-the-box aura.

, and if you have herpes an ounce of

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prevention is well worth a pound of cure. nobody needs to be dealing
with that any more than is absolutely necessary.

I was taught that it is a minor virus, like the cold virus, that nearly
everyone gets and isn't anything to fret over (this was 22 years ago).
Plus, it's fairly easy to avoid spreading if you have any restraint at
all.

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But the other advice is the same. Don't irritate it, keep it clean,
destress yourself and ride it out. It should clear up on it's own
in a few days.

yeah, but herpes can be spread and should never ever be taken lightly.
canker sores are only an annoyance to oneself.

i'm not trying to argue with you, by the way.

Ok. I figured college was getting to you. I *was* wondering if the
usual suspects had forgotten to offer you a left buttock to chew on
this week. 🙂

i just don't want

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anyone out there thinking they don't need to deal with their herpes
if that's what they have.

Try telling my daughter. She *thinks* she has HSV-2, a virus with heavy
baggage attatched, even though the tests came back negative and was
given the antiviral as a precaution anyway. She thinks she's ruined
now, and nobody will want her, so why bother. Sometimes I beat my head
against a wall made of neutronium.

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Alum powder (or a styptic pencil) will dry those suckers right up.
Stings like hell and tastes bad, but it works!

I have to agree with the alum powder - that's always worked for me.
Or if there's no alum, Campho-Phenique works well and numbs the pain
instantly.

Tastes terrible on the gums though. (I have to admit that it is my
husband's favorite soverign. He uses it on everything).
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revek
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In the past week or so I've developed three different canker sores on my
gums; one is so bad that my cheek is swollen and painful as with an abcessed
tooth! It's affecting my overall health; I feel feverish and lethargic also.
I haven't changed my eating habits or any medications recently . Any idea
what causes these and is there a short-term solution for the pain? I have a
new HMO health insurance plan at work, and for complex reasons won't be able
to see a doctor until September 1st. Any suggestions for easing the pain
and/or helping them go away? How long does it take a commercial product
like Anbesol to work? Someone suggested to me applying hydrogen peroxide
directly with a cotton swab. Does this sound right?

I've had cankor sores all my life (not many in the last year, though). One thing
that I positively know causes them for me is walnuts (and pecans, I think). It's
kept me from eating brownies at Christmastime since everyone ELSE always insists
on loading them with walnuts. I also noticed that it sometimes happens after
eating raw onion. Other than foods, I would get them a day after dental xrays
when I had to bite too hard or too long on them and the film cut my gums (xrays
are better these days, though, so it's not as likley anymore).

I've always just used Campho-Pheniq (vile tasting). Like Ambesol, it's only a
topical anesthetic, however. If it is viral in nature, extra Vitamin C would
probably help.

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205/149/125 - 5'1.5"
Atkins since 6/14/03
Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333

Peter,

My doctor recommended I take L-Lysine. It is a supplement, in
particular an amino acid bought over the counter. I take 500mg, three
times a day. This is a relatively cheap supplement, a 100 pill bottle
cost around $6 near me. This clears it up for me within a day or two.

I used to get these all the time, now I take one 500mg once a day and
rarely ever get them.

My doctor recommend you use the L-Lysine in a capsule opposed to
tablet form. He said the heat and process used to form the tablet
lowers the amount of active ingredient. Since either form cost about
the same I buy the capsule.

essense

"marengo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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| In the past week or so I've developed three different canker sores
on my
| gums; one is so bad that my cheek is swollen and painful as with an
abcessed
| tooth! It's affecting my overall health; I feel feverish and
lethargic also.
| I haven't changed my eating habits or any medications recently .
Any idea
| what causes these and is there a short-term solution for the pain?
I have a
| new HMO health insurance plan at work, and for complex reasons won't
be able
| to see a doctor until September 1st. Any suggestions for easing the
pain
| and/or helping them go away? How long does it take a commercial
product
| like Anbesol to work? Someone suggested to me applying hydrogen
peroxide
| directly with a cotton swab. Does this sound right?
|
| TIA
|
| --
| Peter
| 270/215/180
| Before/Current Pix:
| http://users.thelink.net/marengo/weightlosspix/weightlosspix.html
|
|

Yes, what the poster said. I do the same with the L-Lysine. Haven't had
a canker sore, or a cold sore since, though I used to get them often.

--
Cheri
Type 2, no meds for now.

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Peter,

My doctor recommended I take L-Lysine. It is a supplement, in
particular an amino acid bought over the counter. I take 500mg, three
times a day. This is a relatively cheap supplement, a 100 pill bottle
cost around $6 near me. This clears it up for me within a day or two.

I used to get these all the time, now I take one 500mg once a day and
rarely ever get them.

My doctor recommend you use the L-Lysine in a capsule opposed to
tablet form. He said the heat and process used to form the tablet
lowers the amount of active ingredient. Since either form cost about
the same I buy the capsule.

essense

"marengo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
| In the past week or so I've developed three different canker sores
on my
| gums; one is so bad that my cheek is swollen and painful as with an
abcessed
| tooth! It's affecting my overall health; I feel feverish and
lethargic also.
| I haven't changed my eating habits or any medications recently .
Any idea
| what causes these and is there a short-term solution for the pain?
I have a
| new HMO health insurance plan at work, and for complex reasons won't
be able
| to see a doctor until September 1st. Any suggestions for easing the
pain
| and/or helping them go away? How long does it take a commercial
product
| like Anbesol to work? Someone suggested to me applying hydrogen
peroxide
| directly with a cotton swab. Does this sound right?
|
| TIA
|
| --
| Peter
| 270/215/180
| Before/Current Pix:
| http://users.thelink.net/marengo/weightlosspix/weightlosspix.html
|
|

My grandmother told me that the best preventive is yogurt.

I've been using this for a few dozen years and it really works, not
just for me, but for everyone I've mentioned it too. We are all
converts.
I'm not sure of why it works, but to cover the fact that it may
create a curative environment in the mouth, I take a teaspoon every
few hours. It may a systemic cure though, so the frequent dosage may
not be necessary. Why take a chance when you are in pain.

Give it a try. I recommend Blue Bunny low carb brand. It states on
the box that it is active and some of the other carb stuff does not.

On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 00:23:17 -0500, "revek" <[email hidden]>

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In the past week or so I've developed three different canker sores on
my gums; one is so bad that my cheek is swollen and painful as with
an abcessed tooth! It's affecting my overall health; I feel feverish
and lethargic also. I haven't changed my eating habits or any
medications recently . Any idea what causes these

Herpes simplex virus. Stress pften triggers the outbreak. Emotional or
merely physical. I've also noticed not getting enough FFAs and water
tend to trigger one in me.

and is there a

Quoted message said:

short-term solution for the pain?

If it is caused by herpes simplex, then ambesol or numbzit or the like
for theething pain would help. If you can find the tooth gum (for use
in filling open cavities w/exposed nerves) that has clove in it it might
help to lay some on the affected area for a short while, or maybe just
put some clove extract on. It will sting a bit, but it does seem to
help sometimes.

I have a new HMO health insurance

Quoted message said:

plan at work, and for complex reasons won't be able to see a doctor
until September 1st. Any suggestions for easing the pain and/or
helping them go away? How long does it take a commercial product
like Anbesol to work?

Intstantly, but it doesn't last long and tastes really bad.

Someone suggested to me applying hydrogen

Quoted message said:

peroxide directly with a cotton swab. Does this sound right?

You can try if you like. Something just as painful would be lysterine,
but I have had sores go away after using it for a day or two.

On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 09:21:39 -0400, "essense" <[email hidden]>

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Peter,

My doctor recommended I take L-Lysine. It is a supplement, in
particular an amino acid bought over the counter. I take 500mg, three
times a day. This is a relatively cheap supplement, a 100 pill bottle
cost around $6 near me. This clears it up for me within a day or two.

I used to get these all the time, now I take one 500mg once a day and
rarely ever get them.

Yep yep yep. Lysine is the way I'd suggest going first. Like she
said. Three a day until gone then one a day thereafter should pretty
much put a stop to the canker sores. Back to three a day when facing
ultra stress situations. All this of course after you have a doc look
under the hood.
Lee Rodgers
Lowcarb Retreat http://www.lowcarb.org
CHAT http://www.lowcarb.org/parachat.html
Low-Carb Connoisseur http://www.low-carb.com

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Alum powder (or a styptic pencil) will dry those suckers right

up.

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Stings like hell and tastes bad, but it works!

I have to agree with the alum powder - that's always worked for

me.

Quoted message said:

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Or if there's no alum, Campho-Phenique works well and numbs the

pain

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instantly.

Tastes terrible on the gums though. (I have to admit that it is my
husband's favorite soverign. He uses it on everything).

Sovereign. DRAT.

revek

revek said:

Sometimes I beat my head against a wall made of neutronium.

If only it were real, I'd want to rent it for use by a few trolls.
Actually beating a human head against neutronium would have
spectacular results. It would greatly increase the intelligence
of the trolls among other things.