OT: Body For Life

I think I have. I think I've tried every freakin' diet and excercise program
under the freakin' sun. That's the one with all the before and after pics in
the book. You can do any program low carb.
The ones that stress weight training usually are lower in carbs.

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353/285/210

"~~Jaime~~" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I'm interested in it. Has anyone here had experience with it and is anyone
doing a low carb version of it? Just curious.

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I think I have. I think I've tried every freakin' diet and excercise

program

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under the freakin' sun. That's the one with all the before and after pics

in

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the book. You can do any program low carb.
The ones that stress weight training usually are lower in carbs.

Thanks Bear.

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I'm interested in it. Has anyone here had experience with it and is anyone
doing a low carb version of it? Just curious.

Some of those "before" and "after" photos are somewhat of an illusion
anyways as this guy shows how you can do the same in seconds.
http://members.shaw.ca/beforeafter/davin/July1401/july14_01pics.htm

As you can see, a super relaxed pose makes you look way out of shape,
but a flexed pose can make it look like you dropped 30 lbs of fat and
replaced it with muscle.
I actually bought Bill Phillips book "Body for Life" for my wife.
Earlier on when I started lo-carb, she agreed that it seemed to be an ok way
to eat, but didn't want to be as strict as I was. When I was scanning
through it, I noticed that he does stress getting carbs from healthy
sources, but the daily suggested menus had 2 or 3 Myoplex shakes per day.
This was a big turn off for me and I felt that I had wasted my money. Any
diet program that pushes a bunch of supplements at the same time as telling
you to eat healthy loses credibility in my opinion. The diet itself is too
high carb in my opinion. The meals includes pasta, potatoes, rice. But I
suppose that if you are working out as much as he recommends, you'll be
burning all this fuel anyway.
I do like the weight training schedule that he uses. It's a style of 2
days of upper body exercises and 1 day of lower for the first week and the
next week is reversed at 2 days lower and 1 day upper. In between there are
high intensity cardio workouts on the days you are not weight training. So,
in effect you are doing some activity 6 days a week.
The whole plan is kind of mapped out for you with charts for keeping
track of exercise and calorie intake. He gives a full menu for what you
should eat everyday(with all those shakes and supplements which I think he
owns the company). The program is 12 weeks long and if you stick to
everything exactly, he claims you will be transformed. Anybody that can not
control their diets now because of cheating won't be able to follow this one
either. Not because it's a bad plan. I think any diet plan can work if you
can religiously stick to it. He's making it a little easier by saying "do
this" and "do that". That may be just what some people need to get them
motivated.
Tom
210/180/180

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I'm interested in it. Has anyone here had experience with it and is anyone
doing a low carb version of it? Just curious.

Going low-carb means that you can control your weight. It will not build
muscle or make you the envy of everyone else on the beach. That takes
working out.

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Going low-carb means that you can control your weight. It will not build
muscle or make you the envy of everyone else on the beach. That takes
working out.

Well I know *that*. :-)

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Going low-carb means that you can control your weight. It will not build
muscle or make you the envy of everyone else on the beach. That takes
working out.

Well I know *that*. :-)

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I'm interested in it. Has anyone here had experience with it and is anyone
doing a low carb version of it? Just curious.

Going low-carb means that you can control your weight. It will not build
muscle or make you the envy of everyone else on the beach. That takes
working out.

And doing a BFL plan requires you to eat more carbs that you would on
a LC diet. Most people here would never do well on BFL because they
are too damn lazy to go to the gym and work out. If you're working out
like the BFL book wants you to, then carbs are needed. Might not be
the best diet plan if you are using LC for controlling blood sugar
though.

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I'm interested in it. Has anyone here had experience with it and is anyone
doing a low carb version of it? Just curious.

If you are doing a LC version of it you aren't doing BFL. With the
amount of aerobic exercise the diet requires I'd think you would be
ill advised to go too LC.

billydee wrote:
|| "Jim Bard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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||| "~~Jaime~~" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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|||| I'm interested in it. Has anyone here had experience with it and
|||| is anyone
|||| doing a low carb version of it? Just curious.
||||
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||| Going low-carb means that you can control your weight. It will not
||| build
||| muscle or make you the envy of everyone else on the beach. That
||| takes
||| working out.
||
|| And doing a BFL plan requires you to eat more carbs that you would on
|| a LC diet. Most people here would never do well on BFL because they
|| are too damn lazy to go to the gym and work out. If you're working
|| out
|| like the BFL book wants you to, then carbs are needed. Might not be
|| the best diet plan if you are using LC for controlling blood sugar
|| though.

I did BFL while LCing. It is quite possible, though you will need more
carbs with all of that supposed HIIT (I think BP screws it up ). As long as
you don't go nuts on the off day controlling BG not a major issue.

Roger Zoul said:

billydee wrote:
|| "Jim Bard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
|| news:<[email hidden]>...
||| "~~Jaime~~" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
||| news:[email hidden]...
|||| I'm interested in it. Has anyone here had experience with it and
|||| is anyone
|||| doing a low carb version of it? Just curious.
||||
|||
||| Going low-carb means that you can control your weight. It will not
||| build
||| muscle or make you the envy of everyone else on the beach. That
||| takes
||| working out.
||
|| And doing a BFL plan requires you to eat more carbs that you would on
|| a LC diet. Most people here would never do well on BFL because they
|| are too damn lazy to go to the gym and work out. If you're working
|| out
|| like the BFL book wants you to, then carbs are needed. Might not be
|| the best diet plan if you are using LC for controlling blood sugar
|| though.

I did BFL while LCing. It is quite possible, though you will need more
carbs with all of that supposed HIIT (I think BP screws it up ). As long as
you don't go nuts on the off day controlling BG not a major issue.

Since the original poster has been advised by her doctor to do only
light walking for exercise, and I think she mentioned some swimming,
keeping up with the exercise program would be quite difficult for her.
It's pretty intense.

Lybbe
Highest Weight - 308
Started Bernstein Diet October 2, 2004 - 243.0
Today's weight - 214.5
Goal - 150
http://photos.yahoo.com/lybbe

Lybbe wrote:
|| On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:04:35 -0500, "Roger Zoul"
|| <[email hidden]> wrote:
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||| billydee wrote:
||||| "Jim Bard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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||||||| I'm interested in it. Has anyone here had experience with it and
||||||| is anyone
||||||| doing a low carb version of it? Just curious.
|||||||
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|||||| Going low-carb means that you can control your weight. It will
|||||| not build
|||||| muscle or make you the envy of everyone else on the beach. That
|||||| takes
|||||| working out.
|||||
||||| And doing a BFL plan requires you to eat more carbs that you
||||| would on
||||| a LC diet. Most people here would never do well on BFL because
||||| they
||||| are too damn lazy to go to the gym and work out. If you're working
||||| out
||||| like the BFL book wants you to, then carbs are needed. Might not
||||| be
||||| the best diet plan if you are using LC for controlling blood sugar
||||| though.
|||
||| I did BFL while LCing. It is quite possible, though you will need
||| more carbs with all of that supposed HIIT (I think BP screws it up
||| ). As long as you don't go nuts on the off day controlling BG not
||| a major issue.
||
|| Since the original poster has been advised by her doctor to do only
|| light walking for exercise, and I think she mentioned some swimming,
|| keeping up with the exercise program would be quite difficult for
|| her.
|| It's pretty intense.

Oh....I would agree!!!! Any kind of HIIT would be ass-kicking if done
right.

So what do you think about the Bernstein diet? Isn't that the diet that uses B6
and 12 injections? What are your personal findings so far? Many find it quite
radical in it's approach. Just curious. Thanks.

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Roger Zoul said:

billydee wrote:
|| "Jim Bard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
|| news:<[email hidden]>...
||| "~~Jaime~~" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
||| news:[email hidden]...
|||| I'm interested in it. Has anyone here had experience with it and
|||| is anyone
|||| doing a low carb version of it? Just curious.
||||
|||
||| Going low-carb means that you can control your weight. It will not
||| build
||| muscle or make you the envy of everyone else on the beach. That
||| takes
||| working out.
||
|| And doing a BFL plan requires you to eat more carbs that you would on
|| a LC diet. Most people here would never do well on BFL because they
|| are too damn lazy to go to the gym and work out. If you're working
|| out
|| like the BFL book wants you to, then carbs are needed. Might not be
|| the best diet plan if you are using LC for controlling blood sugar
|| though.

I did BFL while LCing. It is quite possible, though you will need more
carbs with all of that supposed HIIT (I think BP screws it up ). As long as
you don't go nuts on the off day controlling BG not a major issue.

Since the original poster has been advised by her doctor to do only
light walking for exercise, and I think she mentioned some swimming,
keeping up with the exercise program would be quite difficult for her.
It's pretty intense.

Lybbe
Highest Weight - 308
Started Bernstein Diet October 2, 2004 - 243.0
Today's weight - 214.5
Goal - 150
http://photos.yahoo.com/lybbe

On 30 Nov 2004 15:31:19 -0800, [email hidden] (billydee)

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"~~Jaime~~" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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I'm interested in it. Has anyone here had experience with it and is anyone
doing a low carb version of it? Just curious.

If you are doing a LC version of it you aren't doing BFL. With the
amount of aerobic exercise the diet requires I'd think you would be
ill advised to go too LC.

I do not even have the book yet in order to read it so I will cross
that bridge when I come to it if I like what I read.

Roger Zoul said:

I did BFL while LCing.

Where did you keep your carb level at when you did BFL?

(Armand) said:

So what do you think about the Bernstein diet? Isn't that the diet that uses B6
and 12 injections? What are your personal findings so far? Many find it quite
radical in it's approach. Just curious. Thanks.

I signed on with them because I was desperate to get back into control
and I wasn't having any success on my own. I knew if I paid them huge
dollars (and HUGE is accurate) I would stick to the plan. Here's how
it works:

You weigh-in 3 times a week.

You follow a low-carb, low-FAT diet (not my cuppa tea)which is really
very nutritionally sound and quite easy to follow after the first 4
days. Once you hit ketosis it's pretty easy.

They give you a shot of B vitamins 3 times a week. You are also
expected to take a good multi-vitamin, potassium, and calcium.

They monitor blood pressure, body measurements, and of course weight
loss. A full panel of bloodwork is done initially, as well as ECG for
the morbidly obese.

Doctor consult is mandatory once every 2 weeks.

EVERYTHING is weighed and measured - including vegetables. There are
no freebies - BUT the vegetable allowance is very generous and if you
weigh over 200 pounds you are allowed 10.5 oz protein per day - under
200 and it reduces to 7 oz.

Bernstein manufactures protein bars which are comparable to almost any
protein bar on the market for double the price and portein-pack
substitutes that taste like school glue.

I paid in advance for 8 weeks and I've about used that up. They got me
kick-started and I feel in control again. It's unlikely that I'll give
them any more cash - because it's just too pricey - BUT I highly
recommend them for anybody like me who just can't get started.

I'm back to high-fat, moderate protein and low-carb and lovin' it.
Oh yeah - and lots of exercise.

Lybbe
Highest Weight - 308
Started Bernstein Diet October 2, 2004 - 243.0
Today's weight - 214.5
Goal - 150
http://photos.yahoo.com/lybbe

Roger Zoul said:

|| Since the original poster has been advised by her doctor to do only
|| light walking for exercise, and I think she mentioned some swimming,
|| keeping up with the exercise program would be quite difficult for
|| her.
|| It's pretty intense.

Oh....I would agree!!!! Any kind of HIIT would be ass-kicking if done
right.

I agree it would be but I have not even gotten nor read the book yet
and I would like to because I am *interested* in the BFL program. I
would like to see what it is all about. As for the light walking and
the other exercises he has allowed me to do I won't be doing that
forever. There will eventually come a time when I am allowed to do
more and be able to do more and train harder then I am right now. I
would like to learn all I can and be prepared in time. Nothing wrong
with knowledge.

~~Jaime~~ wrote:
|| On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 05:23:51 -0500, "Roger Zoul"
|| <[email hidden]> wrote:
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||
||||| Since the original poster has been advised by her doctor to do
||||| only light walking for exercise, and I think she mentioned some
||||| swimming, keeping up with the exercise program would be quite
||||| difficult for her.
||||| It's pretty intense.
|||
||| Oh....I would agree!!!! Any kind of HIIT would be ass-kicking if
||| done right.
||
|| I agree it would be but I have not even gotten nor read the book yet
|| and I would like to because I am *interested* in the BFL program. I
|| would like to see what it is all about. As for the light walking
|| and the other exercises he has allowed me to do I won't be doing that
|| forever. There will eventually come a time when I am allowed to do
|| more and be able to do more and train harder then I am right now. I
|| would like to learn all I can and be prepared in time. Nothing wrong
|| with knowledge.

Right. I'm not sure why you wrote that, though. I don't think there is
anything wrong with learning about the program.

Did you read the webpage (http://www.bodyforlife.com/index.asp?) or looking
into buying a used copy of the book (or, check your local library)?

~~Jaime~~ wrote:
|| On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:04:35 -0500, "Roger Zoul"
|| <[email hidden]> wrote:
||
||
||| I did BFL while LCing.
||
||
|| Where did you keep your carb level at when you did BFL?

Mostly around 40g per day until I got too drained to continue. Then I'd
increase it for a day and then resume again. I sort did it like a one-day
carb up.

I don't really have a problem with BFL, but I didn't really like the way he
did his hiit, so I just did my own verson of it.

Roger Zoul said:

Right. I'm not sure why you wrote that, though.

What I had written was directed towards Lybbe.

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I don't think there is
anything wrong with learning about the program.

I agree.

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Did you read the webpage (http://www.bodyforlife.com/index.asp?)

I have been doing just that as well as the Body For lifers forums.

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or looking
into buying a used copy of the book (or, check your local library)?

The library has several holds on thier *only* copy of BFL and I have
been looking into several used bookstores in my area with no luck. I
even picked up the phone book one afternoon and called all the used
bookstores in Hamilton that were listed in the yellow pages.
I also checked out the Value Village and the downtown Goodwill store
which both have a pretty good supply of used books.