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  1. Monday 01 November 2004, 16:01 Makka Time, 13:01 GMT

    Bin Ladin directed his message at the American people

    Following is the full English transcript of Usama bin Ladin's speech
    in a videotape sent to Aljazeera. In the interests of authenticity the
    transcript, which appeared as subtitles at the foot of the screen, has
    been left unedited.

    Praise be to Allah who created the creation for his worship and
    commanded them to be just and permitted the wronged one to retaliate
    against the oppressor in kind. To proceed:

    Peace be upon he who follows the guidance: People of America this talk
    of mine is for you and concerns the ideal way to prevent another
    Manhattan, and deals with the war and its causes and results.

    Before I begin, I say to you that security is an indispensable pillar
    of human life and that free men do not forfeit their security,
    contrary to Bush's claim that we hate freedom. If so, then let him
    explain to us why we don't strike for example – Sweden? And we know
    that freedom-haters don't possess defiant spirits like those of the 19
    – may Allah have mercy on them.

    No, we fight because we are free men who don't sleep under oppression.
    We want to restore freedom to our nation, just as you lay waste to our
    nation. So shall we lay waste to yours.

    No-one except a dumb thief plays with the security of others and then
    makes himself believe he will be secure. Whereas thinking people, when
    disaster strikes, make it their priority to look for its causes, in
    order to prevent it happening again.

    But I am amazed at you. Even though we are in the fourth year after
    the events of September 11th, Bush is still engaged in distortion,
    deception and hiding from you the real causes. And thus, the reasons
    are still there for a repeat of what occurred.

    So I shall talk to you about the story behind those events and shall
    tell you truthfully about the moments in which the decision was taken,
    for you to consider.

    I say to you, Allah knows that it had never occurred to us to strike
    the towers. But after it became unbearable and we witnessed the
    oppression and tyranny of the American/Israeli coalition against our
    people in Palestine and Lebanon, it came to my mind.

    The events that affected my soul in a direct way started in 1982 when
    America permitted the Israelis to invade Lebanon and the American
    Sixth Fleet helped them in that. This bombardment began and many were
    killed and injured and others were terrorized and displaced.

    I couldn't forget those moving scenes, blood and severed limbs, women
    and children sprawled everywhere. Houses destroyed along with their
    occupants and high rises demolished over their residents, rockets
    raining down on our home without mercy.

    The situation was like a crocodile meeting a helpless child, powerless
    except for his screams. Does the crocodile understand a conversation
    that doesn't include a weapon? And the whole world saw and heard but
    it didn't respond.

    In those difficult moments many hard-to-describe ideas bubbled in my
    soul, but in the end they produced an intense feeling of rejection of
    tyranny, and gave birth to a strong resolve to punish the oppressors.

    And as I looked at those demolished towers in Lebanon, it entered my
    mind that we should punish the oppressor in kind and that we should
    destroy towers in America in order that they taste some of what we
    tasted and so that they be deterred from killing our women and
    children.

    And that day, it was confirmed to me that oppression and the
    intentional killing of innocent women and children is a deliberate
    American policy. Destruction is freedom and democracy, while
    resistance is terrorism and intolerance.

    This means the oppressing and embargoing to death of millions as Bush
    Sr. did in Iraq in the greatest mass slaughter of children mankind has
    ever known, and it means the throwing of millions of pounds of bombs
    and explosives at millions of children – also in Iraq – as Bush Jr.
    Did, in order to remove an old agent and replace him with a new puppet
    to assist in the pilfering of Iraq's oil and other outrages.

    So with these images and their like as their background, the events of
    September 11th came as a reply to those great wrongs, should a man be
    blamed for defending his sanctuary?

    Is defending oneself and punishing the aggressor in kind,
    objectionable terrorism? If it is such, then it is unavoidable for us.

    This is the message which I sought to communicate to you in word and
    deed, repeatedly, for years before September 11th.

    And you can read this, if you wish, in my interview with Scott in Time
    Magazine in 1996, or with Peter Arnett on CNN in 1997, or my meeting
    with John Weiner in 1998.

    You can observe it practically, if you wish, in Kenya and Tanzania and
    in Aden. And you can read it in my interview with Abdul Bari Atwan, as
    well as my interviews with Robert Fisk.

    The latter is one of your compatriots and co-religionists and I
    consider him to be neutral. So are the pretenders of freedom at The
    White House and the channels controlled by them able to run an
    interview with him? So that he may relay to the American people what
    he has understood from us to be the reasons for our fight against you?

    If you were to avoid these reasons, you will have taken the correct
    path that will lead America to the security that it was in before
    September 11th. This concerned the causes of the war.

    As for it's results, they have been, by the grace of Allah, positive
    and enormous, and have, by all standards, exceeded all expectations.
    This is due to many factors, chief amongst them, that we have found it
    difficult to deal with the Bush administration in light of the
    resemblance it bears to the regimes in our countries, half of which
    are ruled by the military and the other half which are ruled by the
    sons of kings and presidents.

    Our experience with them is lengthy, and both types are replete with
    those who are characterized by pride, arrogance, greed and
    misappropriation of wealth. This resemblance began after the visits of
    Bush Sr. to the region.

    At a time when some of our compatriots were dazzled by America and
    hoping that these visits would have an effect on our countries, all of
    a sudden he was affected by those monarchies and military regimes, and
    became envious of their remaining decades in their positions, to
    embezzle the public wealth of the nation without supervision or
    accounting.

    So he took dictatorship and suppression of freedoms to his son and
    they named it the Patriot Act, under the pretense of fighting
    terrorism. In addition, Bush sanctioned the installing of sons as
    state governors, and didn't forget to import expertise in election
    fraud from the region's presidents to Florida to be made use of in
    moments of difficulty.

    All that we have mentioned has made it easy for us to provoke and bait
    this administration. All that we have to do is to send two Mujahideen
    to the furthest point East to raise a piece of cloth on which is
    written al-Qaida, in order to make the generals race there to cause
    America to suffer human, economic, and political losses without their
    achieving for it anything of note other than some benefits for their
    private companies.

    This is in addition to our having experience in using guerrilla
    warfare and the war of attrition to fight tyrannical superpowers, as
    we, alongside the Mujahideen, bled Russia for ten years, until it went
    bankrupt and was forced to withdraw in defeat.

    All Praise is due to Allah.

    So we are continuing this policy in bleeding America to the point of
    bankruptcy. Allah willing, and nothing is too great for Allah.

    That being said, those who say that al-Qaida has won against the
    administration in the White House or that the administration has lost
    in this war have not been precise, because when one scrutinizes the
    results, one cannot say that al-Qaida is the sole factor in achieving
    those spectacular gains.

    Rather, the policy of the White House that demands the opening of war
    fronts to keep busy their various corporations – whether they be
    working in the field of arms or oil or reconstruction – has helped
    al-Qaida to achieve these enormous results.

    And so it has appeared to some analysts and diplomats that the White
    House and us are playing as one team towards the economic goals of the
    United States, even if the intentions differ.

    And it was to these sorts of notions and their like that the British
    diplomat and others were referring in their lectures at the Royal
    Institute of International Affairs. (When they pointed out that) for
    example, al-Qaida spent $500 000 on the event, while America, in the
    incident and its aftermath, lost – according to the lowest estimate –
    more than 500 billion dollars.

    Meaning that every dollar of al-Qaida defeated a million dollars by
    the permission of Allah, besides the loss of a huge number of jobs.

    As for the size of the economic deficit, it has reached record
    astronomical numbers estimated to total more than a trillion dollars.

    And even more dangerous and bitter for America is that the Mujahideen
    recently forced Bush to resort to emergency funds to continue the
    fight in Afghanistan and Iraq, which is evidence of the success of the
    blee-until-bankruptcy plan – with Allah's permission.

    It is true that this shows that al-Qaida has gained, but on the other
    hand, it shows that the Bush administration has also gained, something
    of which anyone who looks at the size of the contracts acquired by the
    shady Bush administration-linked mega-corporations, like Haliburton
    and its kind, will be convinced. And it all shows that the real loser
    is...you.

    It is the American people and their economy. And for the record, we
    had agreed with the Commander-General Muhammad Ataa, Allah have mercy
    on him, that all the operations should be carried out within twenty
    minutes, before Bush and his administration notice.

    It never occurred to us that the commander-in-chief of the American
    armed forces would abandon 50 000 of his citizens in the twin towers
    to face those great horrors alone, the time when they most needed him.

    But because it seemed to him that occupying himself by talking to the
    little girl about the goat and its butting was more important than
    occupying himself with the planes and their butting of the
    skyscrapers. We were given three times the period required to execute
    the operations – All Praise is Due to Allah.

    And it's no secret to you that the thinkers and perceptive ones from
    among the Americans warned Bush before the war and told him, "All that
    you want for securing America and removing the weapons of mass
    destruction – assuming they exist – is available to you, and the
    nations of the world are with you in the inspections, and it is in the
    interest of America that it not be thrust into an unjustified war with
    an unknown outcome."

    But the darkness of the black gold blurred his vision and insight, and
    he gave priority to private interests over the public interests of
    America.

    So the war went ahead, the death toll rose, the American economy bled,
    and Bush became embroiled in the swamps of Iraq that threaten his
    future. He fits the saying, "Like the naughty she-goat who used her
    hoof to dig up a knife from under the earth"

    So I say to you, over 15 000 of our people have been killed and tens
    of thousands injured, while more than a thousand of you have been
    killed and more than 10 000 injured. And Bush's hands are stained with
    the blood of all those killed from both sides, all for the sake of oil
    and keeping their private companies in business.

    Be aware that it is the nation who punishes the weak man when he
    causes the killing of one of its citizens for money, while letting the
    powerful one get off, when he causes the killing of more than 1000 of
    its sons, also for money.

    And the same goes for your allies in Palestine. They terrorize the
    women and children, and kill and capture the men as they lie sleeping
    with their families on the mattresses, that you may recall that for
    every action, there is a reaction.

    Finally, it behooves you to reflect on the last wills and testaments
    of the thousands who left you on the 11th as they gestured in despair.
    They are important testaments, which should be studied and researched.

    Among the most important of what I read in them was some prose in
    their gestures before the collapse, where they say, "How mistaken we
    were to have allowed the White House to implement its aggressive
    foreign policies against the weak without supervision." It is as if
    they were telling you, the people of America, "Hold to account those
    who have caused us to be killed, and happy is he who learns from
    others' mistakes," And among that which I read in their gestures is a
    verse of poetry, "Injustice chases its people, and how unhealthy the
    bed of tyranny."

    As has been said, "An ounce of prevention is better than a pound of
    cure."

    And know that, "It is better to return to the truth than persist in
    error." And that the wise man doesn't squander his security, wealth
    and children for the sake of the liar in the White House.

    In conclusion, I tell you in truth, that your security is not in the
    hands of Kerry, nor Bush, nor al-Qaida.
    No.

    Your security is in your own hands. And every state that doesn't play
    with our security has automatically guaranteed its own security.

    And Allah is our Guardian and Helper, while you have no Guardian or
    Helper. All Peace be Upon he who follows the Guidance.

    Aljazeera

  2. "tcomeau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    You lost all credibility by posting that rubbish. I sincerely hope that
    homeland security looks into your postings and takes appropriate measures. I
    have no sympathy for you.

  3. "tcomeau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Monday 01 November 2004, 16:01 Makka Time, 13:01

    You lost all credibility by posting that rubbish. I sincerely hope that
    homeland security looks into your postings and takes appropriate measures. I
    have no sympathy for you.

  4. Quoted message said:

    "Robert" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:


    "tcomeau" <[email hidden]> wrote

    You lost all credibility by posting that rubbish. I sincerely hope
    that homeland security looks into your postings and takes
    appropriate measures. I have no sympathy for you.

    What are you talking about, Robert?
    tcomeau simply posted a copy of Bin Ladin's message
    without even adding a single, personal comment.
    How else can democracy prevail if you only publish one
    side to a controversy and suppress the other?

  5. Quoted message said:

    "Robert" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:


    "tcomeau" <[email hidden]> wrote

    You lost all credibility by posting that rubbish. I sincerely hope
    that homeland security looks into your postings and takes
    appropriate measures. I have no sympathy for you.

    What are you talking about, Robert?
    tcomeau simply posted a copy of Bin Ladin's message
    without even adding a single, personal comment.
    How else can democracy prevail if you only publish one
    side to a controversy and suppress the other?

  6. "guru" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "Robert" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:


    "tcomeau" <[email hidden]> wrote

    You lost all credibility by posting that rubbish. I sincerely hope
    that homeland security looks into your postings and takes
    appropriate measures. I have no sympathy for you.

    What are you talking about, Robert?
    tcomeau simply posted a copy of Bin Ladin's message
    without even adding a single, personal comment.
    How else can democracy prevail if you only publish one
    side to a controversy and suppress the other?


    He is a canadian who has stated that he hates Americans.
    He has a history of anti-American postings and to say he hasn't commented on
    Americans or American policies hasn't been keeping up. He is sympathetic to
    OBL. That was the only reason why he posted that. That is plain and simple.
    That kind of [censored] didn't work for Cat Stevens when he tried to come here.
    His ass was taken away just like TC if he ever shows up.

  7. Quoted message said:

    That kind of [censored] didn't work for Cat Stevens when he tried to come here.

    Cat Stevens should have been thrown from the plane into the ocean
    Never Forgive, Never Forget
    9-11-01

  8. "Robert" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    "tcomeau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    You lost all credibility by posting that rubbish. I sincerely hope that
    homeland security looks into your postings and takes appropriate measures. I
    have no sympathy for you.

    Ya gotta be kidding. Do you not believe that the people of the US have
    the intelligence to read or hear this speech and to make of it what
    they will? Do you think that censoring the ramblings of one arab in a
    cave will somehow protect the US. Or conversely, do you believe that
    the ramblings of one arab in a cave somehow threatens the US? Or that
    the act of posting the ramblings of an arab in a cave somehow
    threatens the US? Get real. You grossly underestimate the intelligence
    your fellow man.

    Fools are seen to be just that when they are allowed to open their
    mouths and rant, not unlike you and your constant garbage.

    TC

  9. "Robert" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    "guru" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "Robert" <[email hidden]> wrote
    >
    > "tcomeau" <[email hidden]> wrote

    You lost all credibility by posting that rubbish. I sincerely hope
    that homeland security looks into your postings and takes
    appropriate measures. I have no sympathy for you.

    What are you talking about, Robert?
    tcomeau simply posted a copy of Bin Ladin's message
    without even adding a single, personal comment.
    How else can democracy prevail if you only publish one
    side to a controversy and suppress the other?


    He is a canadian who has stated that he hates Americans.
    He has a history of anti-American postings and to say he hasn't commented on
    Americans or American policies hasn't been keeping up. He is sympathetic to
    OBL. That was the only reason why he posted that. That is plain and simple.
    That kind of [censored] didn't work for Cat Stevens when he tried to come here.
    His ass was taken away just like TC if he ever shows up.

    [censored] you. I have never stated in any way whatsoever that I "hate"
    Americans. That is your construct and your opinion, not mine.

    I have expressed my disagreement with some american policies and I
    have every right to do so.

    I am in no way sympathetic to OBL and have never, ever, stated so.

    DO NOT PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH, [censored]!

    You, Robert, are a libelous, lying sack of [censored].

    TC

  10. "tcomeau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Robert" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "guru" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    > "Robert" <[email hidden]> wrote
    > >
    > > "tcomeau" <[email hidden]> wrote
    >
    > You lost all credibility by posting that rubbish. I


    sincerely hope

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > that homeland security looks into your postings and


    takes

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > appropriate measures. I have no sympathy for you.

    What are you talking about, Robert?
    tcomeau simply posted a copy of Bin Ladin's message
    without even adding a single, personal comment.
    How else can democracy prevail if you only publish one
    side to a controversy and suppress the other?


    He is a canadian who has stated that he hates Americans.
    He has a history of anti-American postings and to say he


    hasn't commented on

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Americans or American policies hasn't been keeping up. He


    is sympathetic to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    OBL. That was the only reason why he posted that. That is


    plain and simple.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    That kind of [censored] didn't work for Cat Stevens when he


    tried to come here.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    His ass was taken away just like TC if he ever shows up.

    [censored] you. I have never stated in any way whatsoever that I


    "hate"

    Quoted message said:

    Americans. That is your construct and your opinion, not


    mine.

    Quoted message said:


    I have expressed my disagreement with some american policies


    and I

    Quoted message said:

    have every right to do so.

    I am in no way sympathetic to OBL and have never, ever,


    stated so.

    Quoted message said:


    DO NOT PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH, [censored]!

    You, Robert, are a libelous, lying sack of [censored].

    TC

    Now ... that was well stated... very nice. Clean. To the
    point. Accurate.

    Phil Scott

  11. "tcomeau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Robert" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "guru" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    > "Robert" <[email hidden]> wrote
    > >
    > > "tcomeau" <[email hidden]> wrote
    >
    > You lost all credibility by posting that rubbish. I sincerely hope
    > that homeland security looks into your postings and takes
    > appropriate measures. I have no sympathy for you.

    What are you talking about, Robert?
    tcomeau simply posted a copy of Bin Ladin's message
    without even adding a single, personal comment.
    How else can democracy prevail if you only publish one
    side to a controversy and suppress the other?


    He is a canadian who has stated that he hates Americans.
    He has a history of anti-American postings and to say he hasn't


    commented on

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Americans or American policies hasn't been keeping up. He is


    sympathetic to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    OBL. That was the only reason why he posted that. That is plain and


    simple.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    That kind of [censored] didn't work for Cat Stevens when he tried to come


    here.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    His ass was taken away just like TC if he ever shows up.

    [censored] you. I have never stated in any way whatsoever that I "hate"
    Americans. That is your construct and your opinion, not mine.

    I have expressed my disagreement with some american policies and I
    have every right to do so.

    I am in no way sympathetic to OBL and have never, ever, stated so.

    DO NOT PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH, [censored]!

    You, Robert, are a libelous, lying sack of [censored].

    TC


    It never worked for Cat Stevens and you can spin all you want. You are
    quoting OBL, a person who committed an act of war on the US. The US is at
    war with him and others. Make no mistake as Bush or Kerry will have him
    dead.
    All Americans are united on that as he has stated over and over again that
    he was responsible for that act of war.
    You have stated anti-American comments over and over again from the
    president, to corporations to individuals. I stated that canadians thought
    that Americans were evil and you very well stated without equivocation. You
    can hide but you can not run.
    So go ahead and say you are not sympathetic to OBL and quote him again.
    Let me flag this post and Homeland security by stating you are a security
    risk. You can go on and sing Cat Stevens songs like "Peace Train" all you
    want buddy but your true colors are out there.

  12. "tcomeau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Robert" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "tcomeau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    You lost all credibility by posting that rubbish. I sincerely hope that
    homeland security looks into your postings and takes appropriate


    measures. I

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    have no sympathy for you.

    Ya gotta be kidding. Do you not believe that the people of the US have
    the intelligence to read or hear this speech and to make of it what
    they will? Do you think that censoring the ramblings of one arab in a
    cave will somehow protect the US. Or conversely, do you believe that
    the ramblings of one arab in a cave somehow threatens the US? Or that
    the act of posting the ramblings of an arab in a cave somehow
    threatens the US? Get real. You grossly underestimate the intelligence
    your fellow man.

    Fools are seen to be just that when they are allowed to open their
    mouths and rant, not unlike you and your constant garbage.

    TC


    He took responsibility for an act of war on US soil. The American people
    will not forget 9-11 ever. You are either against the US or with us as far
    as OBL. There was no purpose in posting his garbage and the only purpose I
    see was to do his bidding.
    That is the only context one can put it in. Others can and will see it that
    way.

  13. "Robert" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    "tcomeau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    You lost all credibility by posting that rubbish. I sincerely hope that
    homeland security looks into your postings and takes appropriate measures. I
    have no sympathy for you.

    Monday 01 November 2004, 16:01 Makka Time, 13:01 GMT

    Bin Ladin directed his message at the American people

    Following is the full English transcript of Usama bin Ladin's speech
    in a videotape sent to Aljazeera. In the interests of authenticity the
    transcript, which appeared as subtitles at the foot of the screen, has
    been left unedited.

    Praise be to Allah who created the creation for his worship and
    commanded them to be just and permitted the wronged one to retaliate
    against the oppressor in kind. To proceed:

    Peace be upon he who follows the guidance: People of America this talk
    of mine is for you and concerns the ideal way to prevent another
    Manhattan, and deals with the war and its causes and results.

    Before I begin, I say to you that security is an indispensable pillar
    of human life and that free men do not forfeit their security,
    contrary to Bush's claim that we hate freedom. If so, then let him
    explain to us why we don't strike for example – Sweden? And we know
    that freedom-haters don't possess defiant spirits like those of the 19
    – may Allah have mercy on them.

    No, we fight because we are free men who don't sleep under oppression.
    We want to restore freedom to our nation, just as you lay waste to our
    nation. So shall we lay waste to yours.

    No-one except a dumb thief plays with the security of others and then
    makes himself believe he will be secure. Whereas thinking people, when
    disaster strikes, make it their priority to look for its causes, in
    order to prevent it happening again.

    But I am amazed at you. Even though we are in the fourth year after
    the events of September 11th, Bush is still engaged in distortion,
    deception and hiding from you the real causes. And thus, the reasons
    are still there for a repeat of what occurred.

    So I shall talk to you about the story behind those events and shall
    tell you truthfully about the moments in which the decision was taken,
    for you to consider.

    I say to you, Allah knows that it had never occurred to us to strike
    the towers. But after it became unbearable and we witnessed the
    oppression and tyranny of the American/Israeli coalition against our
    people in Palestine and Lebanon, it came to my mind.

    The events that affected my soul in a direct way started in 1982 when
    America permitted the Israelis to invade Lebanon and the American
    Sixth Fleet helped them in that. This bombardment began and many were
    killed and injured and others were terrorized and displaced.

    I couldn't forget those moving scenes, blood and severed limbs, women
    and children sprawled everywhere. Houses destroyed along with their
    occupants and high rises demolished over their residents, rockets
    raining down on our home without mercy.

    The situation was like a crocodile meeting a helpless child, powerless
    except for his screams. Does the crocodile understand a conversation
    that doesn't include a weapon? And the whole world saw and heard but
    it didn't respond.

    In those difficult moments many hard-to-describe ideas bubbled in my
    soul, but in the end they produced an intense feeling of rejection of
    tyranny, and gave birth to a strong resolve to punish the oppressors.

    And as I looked at those demolished towers in Lebanon, it entered my
    mind that we should punish the oppressor in kind and that we should
    destroy towers in America in order that they taste some of what we
    tasted and so that they be deterred from killing our women and
    children.

    And that day, it was confirmed to me that oppression and the
    intentional killing of innocent women and children is a deliberate
    American policy. Destruction is freedom and democracy, while
    resistance is terrorism and intolerance.

    This means the oppressing and embargoing to death of millions as Bush
    Sr. did in Iraq in the greatest mass slaughter of children mankind has
    ever known, and it means the throwing of millions of pounds of bombs
    and explosives at millions of children – also in Iraq – as Bush Jr.
    Did, in order to remove an old agent and replace him with a new puppet
    to assist in the pilfering of Iraq's oil and other outrages.

    So with these images and their like as their background, the events of
    September 11th came as a reply to those great wrongs, should a man be
    blamed for defending his sanctuary?

    Is defending oneself and punishing the aggressor in kind,
    objectionable terrorism? If it is such, then it is unavoidable for us.

    This is the message which I sought to communicate to you in word and
    deed, repeatedly, for years before September 11th.

    And you can read this, if you wish, in my interview with Scott in Time
    Magazine in 1996, or with Peter Arnett on CNN in 1997, or my meeting
    with John Weiner in 1998.

    You can observe it practically, if you wish, in Kenya and Tanzania and
    in Aden. And you can read it in my interview with Abdul Bari Atwan, as
    well as my interviews with Robert Fisk.

    The latter is one of your compatriots and co-religionists and I
    consider him to be neutral. So are the pretenders of freedom at The
    White House and the channels controlled by them able to run an
    interview with him? So that he may relay to the American people what
    he has understood from us to be the reasons for our fight against you?

    If you were to avoid these reasons, you will have taken the correct
    path that will lead America to the security that it was in before
    September 11th. This concerned the causes of the war.

    As for it's results, they have been, by the grace of Allah, positive
    and enormous, and have, by all standards, exceeded all expectations.
    This is due to many factors, chief amongst them, that we have found it
    difficult to deal with the Bush administration in light of the
    resemblance it bears to the regimes in our countries, half of which
    are ruled by the military and the other half which are ruled by the
    sons of kings and presidents.

    Our experience with them is lengthy, and both types are replete with
    those who are characterized by pride, arrogance, greed and
    misappropriation of wealth. This resemblance began after the visits of
    Bush Sr. to the region.

    At a time when some of our compatriots were dazzled by America and
    hoping that these visits would have an effect on our countries, all of
    a sudden he was affected by those monarchies and military regimes, and
    became envious of their remaining decades in their positions, to
    embezzle the public wealth of the nation without supervision or
    accounting.

    So he took dictatorship and suppression of freedoms to his son and
    they named it the Patriot Act, under the pretense of fighting
    terrorism. In addition, Bush sanctioned the installing of sons as
    state governors, and didn't forget to import expertise in election
    fraud from the region's presidents to Florida to be made use of in
    moments of difficulty.

    All that we have mentioned has made it easy for us to provoke and bait
    this administration. All that we have to do is to send two Mujahideen
    to the furthest point East to raise a piece of cloth on which is
    written al-Qaida, in order to make the generals race there to cause
    America to suffer human, economic, and political losses without their
    achieving for it anything of note other than some benefits for their
    private companies.

    This is in addition to our having experience in using guerrilla
    warfare and the war of attrition to fight tyrannical superpowers, as
    we, alongside the Mujahideen, bled Russia for ten years, until it went
    bankrupt and was forced to withdraw in defeat.

    All Praise is due to Allah.

    So we are continuing this policy in bleeding America to the point of
    bankruptcy. Allah willing, and nothing is too great for Allah.

    That being said, those who say that al-Qaida has won against the
    administration in the White House or that the administration has lost
    in this war have not been precise, because when one scrutinizes the
    results, one cannot say that al-Qaida is the sole factor in achieving
    those spectacular gains.

    Rather, the policy of the White House that demands the opening of war
    fronts to keep busy their various corporations – whether they be
    working in the field of arms or oil or reconstruction – has helped
    al-Qaida to achieve these enormous results.

    And so it has appeared to some analysts and diplomats that the White
    House and us are playing as one team towards the economic goals of the
    United States, even if the intentions differ.

    And it was to these sorts of notions and their like that the British
    diplomat and others were referring in their lectures at the Royal
    Institute of International Affairs. (When they pointed out that) for
    example, al-Qaida spent $500 000 on the event, while America, in the
    incident and its aftermath, lost – according to the lowest estimate –
    more than 500 billion dollars.

    Meaning that every dollar of al-Qaida defeated a million dollars by
    the permission of Allah, besides the loss of a huge number of jobs.

    As for the size of the economic deficit, it has reached record
    astronomical numbers estimated to total more than a trillion dollars.

    And even more dangerous and bitter for America is that the Mujahideen
    recently forced Bush to resort to emergency funds to continue the
    fight in Afghanistan and Iraq, which is evidence of the success of the
    blee-until-bankruptcy plan – with Allah's permission.

    It is true that this shows that al-Qaida has gained, but on the other
    hand, it shows that the Bush administration has also gained, something
    of which anyone who looks at the size of the contracts acquired by the
    shady Bush administration-linked mega-corporations, like Haliburton
    and its kind, will be convinced. And it all shows that the real loser
    is...you.

    It is the American people and their economy. And for the record, we
    had agreed with the Commander-General Muhammad Ataa, Allah have mercy
    on him, that all the operations should be carried out within twenty
    minutes, before Bush and his administration notice.

    It never occurred to us that the commander-in-chief of the American
    armed forces would abandon 50 000 of his citizens in the twin towers
    to face those great horrors alone, the time when they most needed him.

    But because it seemed to him that occupying himself by talking to the
    little girl about the goat and its butting was more important than
    occupying himself with the planes and their butting of the
    skyscrapers. We were given three times the period required to execute
    the operations – All Praise is Due to Allah.

    And it's no secret to you that the thinkers and perceptive ones from
    among the Americans warned Bush before the war and told him, "All that
    you want for securing America and removing the weapons of mass
    destruction – assuming they exist – is available to you, and the
    nations of the world are with you in the inspections, and it is in the
    interest of America that it not be thrust into an unjustified war with
    an unknown outcome."

    But the darkness of the black gold blurred his vision and insight, and
    he gave priority to private interests over the public interests of
    America.

    So the war went ahead, the death toll rose, the American economy bled,
    and Bush became embroiled in the swamps of Iraq that threaten his
    future. He fits the saying, "Like the naughty she-goat who used her
    hoof to dig up a knife from under the earth"

    So I say to you, over 15 000 of our people have been killed and tens
    of thousands injured, while more than a thousand of you have been
    killed and more than 10 000 injured. And Bush's hands are stained with
    the blood of all those killed from both sides, all for the sake of oil
    and keeping their private companies in business.

    Be aware that it is the nation who punishes the weak man when he
    causes the killing of one of its citizens for money, while letting the
    powerful one get off, when he causes the killing of more than 1000 of
    its sons, also for money.

    And the same goes for your allies in Palestine. They terrorize the
    women and children, and kill and capture the men as they lie sleeping
    with their families on the mattresses, that you may recall that for
    every action, there is a reaction.

    Finally, it behooves you to reflect on the last wills and testaments
    of the thousands who left you on the 11th as they gestured in despair.
    They are important testaments, which should be studied and researched.

    Among the most important of what I read in them was some prose in
    their gestures before the collapse, where they say, "How mistaken we
    were to have allowed the White House to implement its aggressive
    foreign policies against the weak without supervision." It is as if
    they were telling you, the people of America, "Hold to account those
    who have caused us to be killed, and happy is he who learns from
    others' mistakes," And among that which I read in their gestures is a
    verse of poetry, "Injustice chases its people, and how unhealthy the
    bed of tyranny."

    As has been said, "An ounce of prevention is better than a pound of
    cure."

    And know that, "It is better to return to the truth than persist in
    error." And that the wise man doesn't squander his security, wealth
    and children for the sake of the liar in the White House.

    In conclusion, I tell you in truth, that your security is not in the
    hands of Kerry, nor Bush, nor al-Qaida.
    No.

    Your security is in your own hands. And every state that doesn't play
    with our security has automatically guaranteed its own security.

    And Allah is our Guardian and Helper, while you have no Guardian or

  14. "Robert" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    "guru" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "Robert" <[email hidden]> wrote
    >
    > "tcomeau" <[email hidden]> wrote

    You lost all credibility by posting that rubbish. I sincerely hope
    that homeland security looks into your postings and takes
    appropriate measures. I have no sympathy for you.

    What are you talking about, Robert?
    tcomeau simply posted a copy of Bin Ladin's message
    without even adding a single, personal comment.
    How else can democracy prevail if you only publish one
    side to a controversy and suppress the other?


    He is a canadian who has stated that he hates Americans.
    He has a history of anti-American postings and to say he hasn't commented on
    Americans or American policies hasn't been keeping up. He is sympathetic to
    OBL. That was the only reason why he posted that. That is plain and simple.
    That kind of [censored] didn't work for Cat Stevens when he tried to come here.
    His ass was taken away just like TC if he ever shows up.

    Why would he be sympathetic to a CIA asset like OBL if he is
    anti-american. I would think you should be the one who is sympathetic
    to him. It would be your patriotic duty to support your country and
    its intelligence agency in all its actions including OBL. After all
    why do you think he is not dead or captured yet. Are you really that
    stupid man? Get a clue.

  15. "tcomeau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Robert" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "tcomeau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    Are you intent on helping terrorists commit another terrorist attack on the
    US by aiding them in Canada?
    When and where are your friends going to attack?
    Is there a secret code within OBL statements that when read then your
    friends will act upon them?
    What computer company do you work for and do they perform any work for Arab
    countries?
    Do you have any financial interests in promoting OBL statements?
    The US government has not allowed in entire texts of those statements to go
    out over the US because of security risks and you continue to repeat them.

  16. On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 10:50:48 -0800, "Robert" <[email hidden]>
    posted:

    Quoted message said:

    You lost all credibility by posting that rubbish. I sincerely hope that
    homeland security looks into your postings and takes appropriate measures. I
    have no sympathy for you.

    Goodness! The Land of the Free don't allow that sort of thing?
    Funny that the word "free" is revered, and the same word "liberal" is
    despised? They seem confused :-)

  17. On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 23:45:38 -0800, "Robert" <[email hidden]>
    posted:

    Quoted message said:


    "guru" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "Robert" <[email hidden]> wrote
    >
    > "tcomeau" <[email hidden]> wrote

    You lost all credibility by posting that rubbish. I sincerely hope
    that homeland security looks into your postings and takes
    appropriate measures. I have no sympathy for you.

    What are you talking about, Robert?
    tcomeau simply posted a copy of Bin Ladin's message
    without even adding a single, personal comment.
    How else can democracy prevail if you only publish one
    side to a controversy and suppress the other?

    Quoted message said:

    He is a canadian who has stated that he hates Americans.

    Has he? Some paranoid Americans call you Anti-American even if you
    just ask a question.

    Quoted message said:

    He has a history of anti-American postings and to say he hasn't commented on
    Americans or American policies hasn't been keeping up.

    Which Americans? You? I don't hate you, but I sure as hell pity you.
    You are the ugly American that gives your great country a bad
    reputation. Do you hate America? Then why are you going out of your
    way to despoil its image?

    Quoted message said:

    He is sympathetic to
    OBL.

    Well you think that anyone who tries to understand him is a traitor or
    an American-hater. Anyone who suggests that OBL is a rational human
    being is a traitor in your parochial, xenophobic, blinkered eyes.

    Quoted message said:

    That was the only reason why he posted that.

    Mind reader now, are we?

    Quoted message said:

    That is plain and simple.

    Well simple for you!

    Quoted message said:

    That kind of [censored] didn't work for Cat Stevens when he tried to come here.

    Huh? Do tell.

    Quoted message said:

    His ass was taken away just like TC if he ever shows up.

    Yep, we don't want no free speech in this here neck o' the woods!

  18. On 02 Nov 2004 11:48:03 GMT, [email hidden] (ARKADYA) posted:

    Quoted message said:

    Cat Stevens should have been thrown from the plane into the ocean

    Why?

  19. On 2 Nov 2004 08:00:00 -0800, [email hidden] (tcomeau) posted:

    Quoted message said:

    "Robert" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    "tcomeau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    You lost all credibility by posting that rubbish. I sincerely hope that
    homeland security looks into your postings and takes appropriate measures. I
    have no sympathy for you.

    Ya gotta be kidding. Do you not believe that the people of the US have
    the intelligence to read or hear this speech and to make of it what
    they will? Do you think that censoring the ramblings of one arab in a
    cave will somehow protect the US. Or conversely, do you believe that
    the ramblings of one arab in a cave somehow threatens the US? Or that
    the act of posting the ramblings of an arab in a cave somehow
    threatens the US? Get real. You grossly underestimate the intelligence
    your fellow man.

    That's fairly typical of republican voters I've found. It's the
    liberal (read "free"😉 voters who are more "christian" than the
    conservative freedom-haters who vote religiously for Bush.

    Quoted message said:


    Fools are seen to be just that when they are allowed to open their
    mouths and rant, not unlike you and your constant garbage.

    TC

  20. "Dunne E. Dawe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 23:45:38 -0800, "Robert" <[email hidden]>
    posted:

    Quoted message said:


    "guru" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    > "Robert" <[email hidden]> wrote
    > >
    > > "tcomeau" <[email hidden]> wrote
    >
    > You lost all credibility by posting that rubbish. I sincerely hope
    > that homeland security looks into your postings and takes
    > appropriate measures. I have no sympathy for you.

    What are you talking about, Robert?
    tcomeau simply posted a copy of Bin Ladin's message
    without even adding a single, personal comment.
    How else can democracy prevail if you only publish one
    side to a controversy and suppress the other?

    Quoted message said:

    He is a canadian who has stated that he hates Americans.

    Has he? Some paranoid Americans call you Anti-American even if you
    just ask a question.

    He has stated that Americans are evil..Which part of that statement do you
    not understand?
    TC is not one to ask questions. He has stated that americans are evil.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    He has a history of anti-American postings and to say he hasn't commented


    on

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Americans or American policies hasn't been keeping up.

    Which Americans? You? I don't hate you, but I sure as hell pity you.

    A large percentage of Canadians think that americans are evil and TC is one
    of them. Do you understand now. Can you hear me now? CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?

    Quoted message said:

    You are the ugly American that gives your great country a bad
    reputation. Do you hate America? Then why are you going out of your
    way to despoil its image?


    He stated that americans are evil. Look up the header on that post. A survey
    of Canadians showed that a large percentage of them think the US is evil. We
    were not specifically speaking about me being cute or ugly. EVIL NOT UGLY.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    He is sympathetic to
    OBL.

    Well you think that anyone who tries to understand him is a traitor or
    an American-hater. Anyone who suggests that OBL is a rational human
    being is a traitor in your parochial, xenophobic, blinkered eyes.

    The man is responsible for taking the lives of many Americans by flying
    planes into the twin towers and you call me parochial, xenophobic, blinkered
    eyes. YOU [censored] MORON SON OF A [censored]. The muslims killed Australians in
    Bali and YOU ARE [censored] traitor to your own country. YOu are scum of the
    earth. They took the lives of australian citizens vacationing at a hotel and
    you look at it as some rhetorical debate. You are a [censored] coward.

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