OT Bendy Buses

Phil Cook said:

If you think London bendy buses are bad take a look at this.

About 30 seconds in...

...Yikes!!!
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

They're particularly bad on the shared bus/cycle lane on Pentonville
Road heading down the hill towards Kings Cross, as you pass the
Thameslink station. There are often as many as 3 of them there to have
to work your way around with no room to pass them.

In article <[email hidden]>, Phil Cook
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

If you think London bendy buses are bad take a look at this.

About 30 seconds in...

...Yikes!!!

I'm pretty impressed by how the other drivers generally manage to avoid
adding to the carnage. The bus driver did OK too.

Rob Morley wrote on 16/02/2007 02:53 +0100:

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Phil Cook
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

If you think London bendy buses are bad take a look at this.

About 30 seconds in...

...Yikes!!!

I'm pretty impressed by how the other drivers generally manage to avoid
adding to the carnage. The bus driver did OK too.

The one I spotted was the penultimate clip where the two trucks crash
and everyone comes to a halt. Then one driver decides, rather than get
out and see how the drivers are etc, that he will pull out to try and
weave his way through the wreckage. Some drivers will stop at nothing
to avoid their journey being impeded.

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Tony

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wildly inaccurate..."
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Tony Raven said:

The one I spotted was the penultimate clip where the two trucks crash
and everyone comes to a halt. Then one driver decides, rather than get
out and see how the drivers are etc, that he will pull out to try and
weave his way through the wreckage. Some drivers will stop at nothing
to avoid their journey being impeded.

which could be the smart thing to do:

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Marten

Phil Cook said:

If you think London bendy buses are bad take a look at this.

About 30 seconds in...

...Yikes!!!

The one prior to the bendy bus, with the car crashing in the foreground,
in the distance there appears to be a second crash.

Many of the cars there appeared to be going way to fast.

Martin.

M-gineering wrote on 16/02/2007 08:23 +0100:

Quoted message said:

Tony Raven said:

The one I spotted was the penultimate clip where the two trucks crash
and everyone comes to a halt. Then one driver decides, rather than
get out and see how the drivers are etc, that he will pull out to try
and weave his way through the wreckage. Some drivers will stop at
nothing to avoid their journey being impeded.

which could be the smart thing to do:

I guess it depends whether your priorities are on yourself and your own
convenience or the lives of those who could be critically injured in the
crashed trucks.

--
Tony

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wildly inaccurate..."
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Tony Raven said:

I guess it depends whether your priorities are on yourself and your own
convenience or the lives of those who could be critically injured in the
crashed trucks.

EVERY safety or first aid course I've been on starts with emphasing you
start with a personal risk assesment first. Adding to the carnage isn't
going to be helpfull for anyone

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Marten

M-gineering said:

EVERY safety or first aid course I've been on starts with emphasing you
start with a personal risk assesment first. Adding to the carnage isn't
going to be helpfull for anyone

And when you do the practical exercises, if you don't make a point of
demonstrating you are evaluating personal safety before anything else
then you get a black mark.

Pete.
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Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
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Quoted message said:

The one I spotted was the penultimate clip where the two trucks crash and
everyone comes to a halt. Then one driver decides, rather than get out
and see how the drivers are etc, that he will pull out to try and weave
his way through the wreckage. Some drivers will stop at nothing to avoid
their journey being impeded.

Depends on the circumstances. The main risk would be that of further
vehicles hammering into you, so if there is a clear lane it might be safer
to stop *in front* of the wreakage before giving assistance.

Peter Clinch wrote on 16/02/2007 09:59 +0100:

Quoted message said:

M-gineering said:

EVERY safety or first aid course I've been on starts with emphasing
you start with a personal risk assesment first. Adding to the carnage
isn't going to be helpfull for anyone

And when you do the practical exercises, if you don't make a point of
demonstrating you are evaluating personal safety before anything else
then you get a black mark.

I guess there is the officially taught version which says you stay away
from someone being electrocuted unless you have all the right equipment
to avoid being electrocuted yourself and the version I would follow
which is trying to find something insulating enough to disconnect them
recognising there is a risk to me but the greater risk of their being
unnecessarily killed if I don't.

I was very struck with a Radio interview with the sailor Pete Goss who
came to fame for returning 150 miles into the wind to rescue a french
sailor in the southern oceans on a solo round the world race in
hurricane conditions where just surviving was a major challenge. When
asked how long he took to make the decision he said it was immediate
because he knew if he didn't try and did survive the frenchman would die
and he would spend the rest of his life wondering if he could have saved
him. Fortunately he did not do a personal risk assessment and check the
Health and Safety manual and the rest is history. So bring on the
black marks. YMMV

--
Tony

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wildly inaccurate..."
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Phil Cook presented the following explanation :

Quoted message said:

If you think London bendy buses are bad take a look at this.

About 30 seconds in...

...Yikes!!!

Note to self - don't sit on the back seat of a bendy-bus.

--
Simon

Tony Raven said:

M-gineering wrote on 16/02/2007 08:23 +0100:

Quoted message said:

Tony Raven said:

The one I spotted was the penultimate clip where the two trucks
crash and everyone comes to a halt. Then one driver decides,
rather than get out and see how the drivers are etc, that he will
pull out to try and weave his way through the wreckage. Some
drivers will stop at nothing to avoid their journey being impeded.

which could be the smart thing to do:

I guess it depends whether your priorities are on yourself and your
own convenience or the lives of those who could be critically injured
in the crashed trucks.

Are you *really* saying that in the circumstances shown you would stop
behind the pile up and get out of your vehicle?

Or is it just your anti driver stance getting the better of you?

Your electrocution example is a poor one, as those circumstances are of
known & controllable risk, as shown by your searching for an insulator.

pk

Tony Raven said:

I guess there is the officially taught version which says you stay away
from someone being electrocuted unless you have all the right equipment
to avoid being electrocuted yourself and the version I would follow
which is trying to find something insulating enough to disconnect them
recognising there is a risk to me but the greater risk of their being
unnecessarily killed if I don't.

You seem to have made a bit of an assumptive leap there... If you find
something "insulating enough" then you *do* have "the right equipment".

It isn't "increased risk" that stops you doing anything, or all you'd
ever be taught was to look the other way.

Pete.
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Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 11:25:50 +0000 someone who may be Tony Raven
<[email hidden]> wrote this:-

Quoted message said:

I guess there is the officially taught version which says you stay away
from someone being electrocuted unless you have all the right equipment
to avoid being electrocuted yourself and the version I would follow
which is trying to find something insulating enough to disconnect them
recognising there is a risk to me but the greater risk of their being
unnecessarily killed if I don't.

"Official" teaching makes rather more distinctions. For example if
someone has a limb touching a low voltage [1] conductor rail then it
can usually be moved off the rail with suitably insulating
materials, which includes things like a newspaper. If they are lying
across the same conductor rail then it is rather more difficult to
remove them until the electricity is turned off. High voltage
electricity is something best not approached until it is isolated
and earthed. In all instances the big things that run along the
rails are at least as dangerous as the electricity supplies.

The same series of decisions applies in other situations involving
electricity.

[1] low voltage as defined in electrical engineering, such rails are
energised at up to a nominal 850V.

--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
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Simon D said:

Phil Cook presented the following explanation :

Quoted message said:

If you think London bendy buses are bad take a look at this.

About 30 seconds in...

...Yikes!!!

Note to self - don't sit on the back seat of a bendy-bus.

I never sit there anyway since it is over the engine. Sitting in the
front half is much more relaxing. It's a bit like a tram with road
bumps. :-\
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

p.k. wrote on 16/02/2007 12:12 +0100:

Quoted message said:

Are you *really* saying that in the circumstances shown you would stop
behind the pile up and get out of your vehicle?

In the circumstances of the video where the crashed trucks are blocking
the road, the cars in front of me are stopped and there are lots of cars
stopped behind me my first though would be to get out and go the aid of
the truck drivers. It would not be what the driver actually does which
is try to pull out of the queue and squeeze through a gap to get to the
front, presumably to weave through the crashed trucks, with his car.

--
Tony

"...has many omissions and contains much that is apocryphal, or at least
wildly inaccurate..."
Douglas Adams; The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

Quoting Tony Raven <[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

I was very struck with a Radio interview with the sailor Pete Goss who
came to fame for returning 150 miles into the wind to rescue a french
sailor in the southern oceans on a solo round the world race in
hurricane conditions where just surviving was a major challenge. When
asked how long he took to make the decision he said it was immediate

And do you really suppose that five minutes' thought first would be
significant next to the time taken to sail 150 miles into the wind?

Quoted message said:

because he knew if he didn't try and did survive the frenchman would die
and he would spend the rest of his life wondering if he could have saved
him. Fortunately he did not do a personal risk assessment and check the
Health and Safety manual and the rest is history.

Of course, we do not hear interviews with the people who attempt dangerous
rescues unthinkingly and then get killed, so there is something of a
selection effect here.
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Peter Clinch wrote on 16/02/2007 12:12 +0100:

Quoted message said:

You seem to have made a bit of an assumptive leap there... If you find
something "insulating enough" then you *do* have "the right equipment".

So if all I had was a piece of damp timber is that insulating enough?
Do I have to measure the voltage and check on the moisture content of
the timber before I use it? Or do I give it a go and hope, knowing that
there is a risk?

This guy would be dead if you assessed the risks before deciding to act.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6231971.stm

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Tony

"...has many omissions and contains much that is apocryphal, or at least
wildly inaccurate..."
Douglas Adams; The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

Tony Raven said:

p.k. wrote on 16/02/2007 12:12 +0100:

Quoted message said:

Are you *really* saying that in the circumstances shown you would
stop behind the pile up and get out of your vehicle?

In the circumstances of the video where the crashed trucks are
blocking the road, the cars in front of me are stopped and there are
lots of cars stopped behind me my first though would be to get out
and go the aid of the truck drivers. It would not be what the driver
actually does which is try to pull out of the queue and squeeze
through a gap to get to the front, presumably to weave through the
crashed trucks, with his car.

.... to get to a safer place! Youv'e seen the rest of the video, the guy was
doing the ONLY sesnsible thing - getting his [censored] out of the way of the
traffic arriving at speed behind him

pk