OT Anorexia vs. Obesity

:
: Yet the opposite problem, overeating, is seen as a moral failing, not a
: mental disorder. It is common for society to judge the overweight and say
: "just eat less." Could it be that overeating is also a psychological
: problem in many cases?
:
: --
: Michelle Levin

I think the view of overweight people is a by-product of the Puritan ethic
that still can be seen in this society. Other views of that ethic: if you
sleep past a certain hour, you are lazy; if you drink beer, you lack
character; if you sleep in the nude, you're a pervert. Look around and
you'll see lots of examples of this Puritanical belief system still holding
sway in the U.S.

Pat in TX

Ignoramus7019 said:

On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:22:24 GMT, Luna <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

I was musing last night about how anorectics are viewed by society, vs.
how
the overweight and obese are viewed.

Thanks to many tv movies and popular magazine articles about anorexia,
the
general public knows the problem is a serious psychological disorder.
Only
the ignorant would say to an anorectic "Just eat more." Psychological
treatment to deal with the underlying mental causes is the first step to
getting healthy. Very few anorectics just "get over it" on their own.

Yet the opposite problem, overeating, is seen as a moral failing, not a
mental disorder. It is common for society to judge the overweight and
say
"just eat less." Could it be that overeating is also a psychological
problem in many cases?

It was not a psychological problem in my case. I have clear proof. I
was hungry most of the time when I was eating about 2500 calories per
day on a moderate carb diet. I was maintaining 172-173 lbs. I switched
to low carb and now eat to my heart's content, not going hungry except
shortly before meals. (example, I just ate almost a whole chicken 10
minutes ago, except for one breast). I am eating approximately the
same number of calories as before LC.

Psychologically, I am the same as I was 5 months ago. I am at exactly
the same weight even. Even eating as much in terms of calories.

Diet-wise, a change in diet made me not want to overeat to the point
of regaining weight. (note, I have no weight loss plans and all I want
is to not regain the weight I lost)

My "attitude", childhood experiences, environment etc are all the
same, and yet, simply dropping starches and sugar made me change from
hunger to living normally. A very clean 1 person experiment.

i have no doubt that eating may be influenced by psychology, but the
impact of psychological reasons is very likely overstated. With
psychology, also, it is difficult to test hypotheses.

Overeating was partially psychological in my case. I'd get depressed and
eat (or drink) to get over the depression. However, at least some of the
depression was caused by high amounts of carbs and the concomitant crash
that come with high blood sugar level. I've noticed a tremendous decrease
in depression (I'm basically never depressed now) since being on low carb.

--
Bob in CT

Luna said:

Thanks to many tv movies and popular magazine articles about anorexia, the
general public knows the problem is a serious psychological disorder. Only
the ignorant would say to an anorectic "Just eat more." Psychological
treatment to deal with the underlying mental causes is the first step to
getting healthy. Very few anorectics just "get over it" on their own.

Yet the opposite problem, overeating, is seen as a moral failing, not a
mental disorder. It is common for society to judge the overweight and say
"just eat less." Could it be that overeating is also a psychological
problem in many cases?

Not according to that top posting twit Cubit. lol

Of course it may be a symptom of an underlying problem that may have it's
base in a head incorrectly screwed on. I also concur regarding the
hypocrisy as to how these two extremes are viewed.

However, the answer to losing weight is, ultimately eating less. If one has
to jump over the hurdle of a disturbed "love of food " psychosis (are you
listening My Puppy Pastorio?), then so be it. How do you know?

Enter the 2 pound Diet.

By slowly withdrawing from overconsumption at 1/2 pound per week, the body
will adjust quite nicely. The stomach, much like a uterus after pregnancy,
will begin to take on a less and less distended shape and will return to a
more normal state. It will resist and not welcome any attempts to return to
an overdistended state.

If you find that you cannot make this simple adjustment to less eating then
the 2 pound diet has pointed to other issues that you are having for it is
not your physical body that creates the "urge" to eat, something else is
doing so. More often than not, there is disorder in the upstairs kitchen,
so to speak.

Bob Mauri said:

Overeating was partially psychological in my case. I'd get depressed and
eat (or drink) to get over the depression. However, at least some of the
depression was caused by high amounts of carbs and the concomitant crash
that come with high blood sugar level. I've noticed a tremendous decrease
in depression (I'm basically never depressed now) since being on low carb.

Symptoms of depression include apathy, anorexia, lack of emotional
expression (flat affect), social withdrawal and fatigue. Prevalent types of
depression are major depression, dysthymia, and bipolar disorder. Some
types of depression run in families. The first step to getting appropriate
treatment is a complete physical and psychological evaluation to determine
whether one, in fact, has a depressive illness. Self-examination is like a
man that pleads his own legal case.

Pat From Texas said:

I think the view of overweight people is a by-product of the Puritan ethic
that still can be seen in this society. Other views of that ethic: if you
sleep past a certain hour, you are lazy; if you drink beer, you lack
character; if you sleep in the nude, you're a pervert. Look around and
you'll see lots of examples of this Puritanical belief system still holding
sway in the U.S.

Maybe they teach a different version of what the term "Puritan ethic" is in
Texas but I was taught and understand that it means or focuses on a belief
in religious duty, work (hence the term "work ethic"😉, conscience, and
self-restraint, etc. It also has a secondary meaning that has to do with
being financially capable as an individual. What that has to do with beer
and pajamas, I have no idea.

In article <[email hidden]>,

MU said:

Luna said:

Thanks to many tv movies and popular magazine articles about anorexia, the
general public knows the problem is a serious psychological disorder. Only
the ignorant would say to an anorectic "Just eat more." Psychological
treatment to deal with the underlying mental causes is the first step to
getting healthy. Very few anorectics just "get over it" on their own.

Yet the opposite problem, overeating, is seen as a moral failing, not a
mental disorder. It is common for society to judge the overweight and say
"just eat less." Could it be that overeating is also a psychological
problem in many cases?

Not according to that top posting twit Cubit. lol

Of course it may be a symptom of an underlying problem that may have it's
base in a head incorrectly screwed on. I also concur regarding the
hypocrisy as to how these two extremes are viewed.

However, the answer to losing weight is, ultimately eating less. If one has
to jump over the hurdle of a disturbed "love of food " psychosis (are you
listening My Puppy Pastorio?), then so be it. How do you know?

Enter the 2 pound Diet.

Of course eating less is the way to lose weight. Whether the "magic
number" is 2 pounds, 2.5 pounds, 1200 calories, 20g of carbs, whatever it
is, it can't be done unless you actually _do_ it. With all the knowledge
available, all the plans available, seems like there are enough methods for
eating less to fit just about anyone's lifestyle and personal preference.
So why are people still fat? Why do anorectics stop eating when there is
plenty of food available, and why do the overweight keep eating when there
are plenty of diet plans available? Is it really love of food, or is it
hatred of the self?

--
Michelle Levin
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

Ignoramus7019 said:

On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:38:03 -0500, Bob Mauri <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Ignoramus7019 said:

On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:22:24 GMT, Luna <[email hidden]>
wrote:
> I was musing last night about how anorectics are viewed by society,
> vs.
> how
> the overweight and obese are viewed.
>
> Thanks to many tv movies and popular magazine articles about anorexia,
> the
> general public knows the problem is a serious psychological disorder.
> Only
> the ignorant would say to an anorectic "Just eat more." Psychological
> treatment to deal with the underlying mental causes is the first step
> to
> getting healthy. Very few anorectics just "get over it" on their own.
>
> Yet the opposite problem, overeating, is seen as a moral failing, not
> a
> mental disorder. It is common for society to judge the overweight and
> say
> "just eat less." Could it be that overeating is also a psychological
> problem in many cases?
>

It was not a psychological problem in my case. I have clear proof. I
was hungry most of the time when I was eating about 2500 calories per
day on a moderate carb diet. I was maintaining 172-173 lbs. I switched
to low carb and now eat to my heart's content, not going hungry except
shortly before meals. (example, I just ate almost a whole chicken 10
minutes ago, except for one breast). I am eating approximately the
same number of calories as before LC.

Psychologically, I am the same as I was 5 months ago. I am at exactly
the same weight even. Even eating as much in terms of calories.

Diet-wise, a change in diet made me not want to overeat to the point
of regaining weight. (note, I have no weight loss plans and all I want
is to not regain the weight I lost)

My "attitude", childhood experiences, environment etc are all the
same, and yet, simply dropping starches and sugar made me change from
hunger to living normally. A very clean 1 person experiment.

i have no doubt that eating may be influenced by psychology, but the
impact of psychological reasons is very likely overstated. With
psychology, also, it is difficult to test hypotheses.

Overeating was partially psychological in my case. I'd get depressed
and
eat (or drink) to get over the depression. However, at least some of
the
depression was caused by high amounts of carbs and the concomitant crash
that come with high blood sugar level. I've noticed a tremendous
decrease
in depression (I'm basically never depressed now) since being on low
carb.

I must argue that what you are describing is not in the realm of
psychology. Your reactions were caused by your diet, not psychological
issues.

That's true, except there were some times when my overeating was
definitely caused by psychological issues. I just haven't outlined those
in the snippet given above. Also, I know other people who do eat for
psychological reasons.

--
Bob in CT

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

However, the answer to losing weight is, ultimately eating less. If one has
to jump over the hurdle of a disturbed "love of food " psychosis (are you
listening My Puppy Pastorio?), then so be it. How do you know?

Enter the 2 pound Diet.

Luna said:

Of course eating less is the way to lose weight. Whether the "magic
number" is 2 pounds, 2.5 pounds, 1200 calories, 20g of carbs, whatever it
is, it can't be done unless you actually _do_ it. With all the knowledge
available, all the plans available, seems like there are enough methods for
eating less to fit just about anyone's lifestyle and personal preference.

Only one has a zero failure rate. Guess which?

Quoted message said:

So why are people still fat? Why do anorectics stop eating when there is
plenty of food available, and why do the overweight keep eating when there
are plenty of diet plans available? Is it really love of food, or is it
hatred of the self?

If you love food obsessively , as with nearly any self destructive
obsession, there is usually an underlying psychological reason. Psychiatry
or psychotherapy is not a science' it is nothing more than a collaboration
of viewpoints more philosophy than science. Insanity is a legal definition,
for instance.

Point being that inside a person's head is jumble of things, individual and
complicated. Hatred of oneself? Self-esteem issues? Call it what you like.

The answers as to why are God's, for the Time Being. Treatment is, however,
possible but usually is initiated by dealing with the truth about yourself.
As in "Luna will never understand regressive statistics expertly."

Is it really love of food, or is it
: hatred of the self?

: Michelle Levin

Or something else entirely. It doesn't have to either/or the two choices you
posed.

Pat in TX

A very interesting point, Luna.

Both problems are beyond the control of the victim, yet society handles them
quite differently.

"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I was musing last night about how anorectics are viewed by society, vs.

how

Quoted message said:

the overweight and obese are viewed.

Thanks to many tv movies and popular magazine articles about anorexia, the
general public knows the problem is a serious psychological disorder.

Only

Quoted message said:

the ignorant would say to an anorectic "Just eat more." Psychological
treatment to deal with the underlying mental causes is the first step to
getting healthy. Very few anorectics just "get over it" on their own.

Yet the opposite problem, overeating, is seen as a moral failing, not a
mental disorder. It is common for society to judge the overweight and say
"just eat less." Could it be that overeating is also a psychological
problem in many cases?

--
Michelle Levin
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

I'll express my own opinions, if you don't mind, MU. Your suggesting that
the obese are addicts, and Luna's suggestion that the obese have a mental
disorder, are two different things.

I do like to top post. Scrolling down endlessly to find a one word reply to
a post is wasteful. IMHO

Twit?

twit (twt)
tr.v. twit·ted, twit·ting, twits
To taunt, ridicule, or tease, especially for embarrassing mistakes
or faults.

[I guess I have ridiculed MU's embarrasing mistakes.]

n.
1.. The act or an instance of twitting.
2.. A reproach, gibe, or taunt.
3.. Slang. A foolishly annoying person. [With MU, I am casting
pearls before swine.]

"MU" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Not according to that top posting twit Cubit. lol

"MU" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Luna said:

Thanks to many tv movies and popular magazine articles about anorexia,

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

general public knows the problem is a serious psychological disorder.

Only

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the ignorant would say to an anorectic "Just eat more." Psychological
treatment to deal with the underlying mental causes is the first step to
getting healthy. Very few anorectics just "get over it" on their own.

Yet the opposite problem, overeating, is seen as a moral failing, not a
mental disorder. It is common for society to judge the overweight and

say

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

"just eat less." Could it be that overeating is also a psychological
problem in many cases?

Not according to that top posting twit Cubit. lol

LOL - the cross-posting MU whining about top posting...

That earns you the Irony Award for this morning.

GG

Quoted message said:

Of course it may be a symptom of an underlying problem that may have it's
base in a head incorrectly screwed on. I also concur regarding the
hypocrisy as to how these two extremes are viewed.

However, the answer to losing weight is, ultimately eating less. If one

has

Quoted message said:

to jump over the hurdle of a disturbed "love of food " psychosis (are you
listening My Puppy Pastorio?), then so be it. How do you know?

Enter the 2 pound Diet.

By slowly withdrawing from overconsumption at 1/2 pound per week, the body
will adjust quite nicely. The stomach, much like a uterus after

pregnancy,

Quoted message said:

will begin to take on a less and less distended shape and will return to a
more normal state. It will resist and not welcome any attempts to return

to

Quoted message said:

an overdistended state.

If you find that you cannot make this simple adjustment to less eating

then

Quoted message said:

the 2 pound diet has pointed to other issues that you are having for it is
not your physical body that creates the "urge" to eat, something else is
doing so. More often than not, there is disorder in the upstairs kitchen,
so to speak.

GaryG said:

"MU" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Luna said:

Thanks to many tv movies and popular magazine articles about anorexia,

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

general public knows the problem is a serious psychological disorder.

Only

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the ignorant would say to an anorectic "Just eat more." Psychological
treatment to deal with the underlying mental causes is the first step

to

Quoted message said:

getting healthy. Very few anorectics just "get over it" on their own.

Yet the opposite problem, overeating, is seen as a moral failing, not

a

Quoted message said:

mental disorder. It is common for society to judge the overweight and

say

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

"just eat less." Could it be that overeating is also a psychological
problem in many cases?

Not according to that top posting twit Cubit. lol

LOL - the cross-posting MU whining about top posting...

That earns you the Irony Award for this morning.

GG

Quoted message said:

Of course it may be a symptom of an underlying problem that may have
it's
base in a head incorrectly screwed on. I also concur regarding the
hypocrisy as to how these two extremes are viewed.

However, the answer to losing weight is, ultimately eating less. If one

has

Quoted message said:

to jump over the hurdle of a disturbed "love of food " psychosis (are
you
listening My Puppy Pastorio?), then so be it. How do you know?

Enter the 2 pound Diet.

By slowly withdrawing from overconsumption at 1/2 pound per week, the
body
will adjust quite nicely. The stomach, much like a uterus after

pregnancy,

Quoted message said:

will begin to take on a less and less distended shape and will return
to a
more normal state. It will resist and not welcome any attempts to return

to

Quoted message said:

an overdistended state.

If you find that you cannot make this simple adjustment to less eating

then

Quoted message said:

the 2 pound diet has pointed to other issues that you are having for it
is
not your physical body that creates the "urge" to eat, something else is
doing so. More often than not, there is disorder in the upstairs
kitchen,
so to speak.

I hate to point out the obvious, but 2 pounds of cooked pasta is well over
my current calorie requirements. Whereas, 2 pounds of raw carrots is
beneath my calorie requirements.

--
Bob in CT

Bob Mauri wrote:

||
|| I hate to point out the obvious, but 2 pounds of cooked pasta is
|| well over my current calorie requirements. Whereas, 2 pounds of raw
|| carrots is beneath my calorie requirements.

A lot of people will see pasta as a good thing to eat, too. However, 2 lbs
of homemade cooked paste only has about 1200 kcals according to fitday. I'd
lose weight like crazy on that, assuming I could stay on such a diet.

On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:22:40 -0500, Roger Zoul <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Bob Mauri wrote:

||
|| I hate to point out the obvious, but 2 pounds of cooked pasta is
|| well over my current calorie requirements. Whereas, 2 pounds of raw
|| carrots is beneath my calorie requirements.

A lot of people will see pasta as a good thing to eat, too. However, 2
lbs
of homemade cooked paste only has about 1200 kcals according to fitday.
I'd
lose weight like crazy on that, assuming I could stay on such a diet.

Hmmm...my source said about 3000 calories. Doh! I'm an idiot! It was for
dry pasta, not cooked! Foiled in my attempt at MU-bashing!

As for staying on an all-pasta diet, I ate quite a bit of pasta when I was
on my low fat diet. It was ok while I was exercising my butt off. Once I
got injured and couldn't exercise, the high insulin response caused by
pasta got to me.

--
Bob in CT

"Bob Mauri" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:01:06 -0800, GaryG <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

"MU" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:22:24 GMT, Luna wrote:

> Thanks to many tv movies and popular magazine articles about

anorexia,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the

Quoted message said:

> general public knows the problem is a serious psychological disorder.

Only

Quoted message said:

> the ignorant would say to an anorectic "Just eat more."

Psychological

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> treatment to deal with the underlying mental causes is the first step
to
> getting healthy. Very few anorectics just "get over it" on their

own.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>
> Yet the opposite problem, overeating, is seen as a moral failing, not
a
> mental disorder. It is common for society to judge the overweight and

say

Quoted message said:

> "just eat less." Could it be that overeating is also a

psychological

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> problem in many cases?

Not according to that top posting twit Cubit. lol

LOL - the cross-posting MU whining about top posting...

That earns you the Irony Award for this morning.

GG

Quoted message said:

Of course it may be a symptom of an underlying problem that may have
it's
base in a head incorrectly screwed on. I also concur regarding the
hypocrisy as to how these two extremes are viewed.

However, the answer to losing weight is, ultimately eating less. If one

has

Quoted message said:

to jump over the hurdle of a disturbed "love of food " psychosis (are
you
listening My Puppy Pastorio?), then so be it. How do you know?

Enter the 2 pound Diet.

By slowly withdrawing from overconsumption at 1/2 pound per week, the
body
will adjust quite nicely. The stomach, much like a uterus after

pregnancy,

Quoted message said:

will begin to take on a less and less distended shape and will return
to a
more normal state. It will resist and not welcome any attempts to

return

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

to

Quoted message said:

an overdistended state.

If you find that you cannot make this simple adjustment to less eating

then

Quoted message said:

the 2 pound diet has pointed to other issues that you are having for it
is
not your physical body that creates the "urge" to eat, something else

is

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

doing so. More often than not, there is disorder in the upstairs
kitchen,
so to speak.

I hate to point out the obvious, but 2 pounds of cooked pasta is well over
my current calorie requirements. Whereas, 2 pounds of raw carrots is
beneath my calorie requirements.

--
Bob in CT

That's been pointed out before, many times (e.g., 2 lbs of ice cream vs. 2
lbs of beets).

The "diet" also does not take into account exercise/activity levels. I'm an
avid cyclist, and would find myself in serious difficulty if I tried to ride
a bicycle "century" ride (100 miles) while only eating 2 lbs of food.
Significantly, it also discounts body size differences and assumes that 2
lbs of food is "just right" for both a 110 lb post-menopausal woman, and a
240 lb 20-year old linebacker.

Unfortunately, the "2 pound diet" was (according to the "truth-discerning"
Dr. Chung) inspired by God, and Chung is on a mission to proselytize its
benefits. So any criticisms of it are immediately discounted as the work of
secularists or Satan. Like most pseudo-scientific claims, it does contain a
grain of truth (eat less), but its simplistic approach is laughably naive.
AFAIK, the diet has never been studied seriously, or had any peer-reviewed
research published regarding its effectiveness...of course, this does not
stop them from making claims of "zero failure rate", etc.

GG

GaryG said:

"Bob Mauri" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:01:06 -0800, GaryG <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

"MU" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:22:24 GMT, Luna wrote:
>
> > Thanks to many tv movies and popular magazine articles about

anorexia,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the
> > general public knows the problem is a serious psychological disorder.
Only
> > the ignorant would say to an anorectic "Just eat more."

Psychological

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > treatment to deal with the underlying mental causes is the first step
> to
> > getting healthy. Very few anorectics just "get over it" on their

own.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> >
> > Yet the opposite problem, overeating, is seen as a moral failing, not
> a
> > mental disorder. It is common for society to judge the overweight and
say
> > "just eat less." Could it be that overeating is also a

psychological

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > problem in many cases?
>
> Not according to that top posting twit Cubit. lol

LOL - the cross-posting MU whining about top posting...

That earns you the Irony Award for this morning.

GG

>
> Of course it may be a symptom of an underlying problem that may have
> it's
> base in a head incorrectly screwed on. I also concur regarding the
> hypocrisy as to how these two extremes are viewed.
>
> However, the answer to losing weight is, ultimately eating less. If one
has
> to jump over the hurdle of a disturbed "love of food " psychosis (are
> you
> listening My Puppy Pastorio?), then so be it. How do you know?
>
> Enter the 2 pound Diet.
>
> By slowly withdrawing from overconsumption at 1/2 pound per week, the
> body
> will adjust quite nicely. The stomach, much like a uterus after
pregnancy,
> will begin to take on a less and less distended shape and will return
> to a
> more normal state. It will resist and not welcome any attempts to

return

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

to
> an overdistended state.
>
> If you find that you cannot make this simple adjustment to less eating
then
> the 2 pound diet has pointed to other issues that you are having for it
> is
> not your physical body that creates the "urge" to eat, something else

is

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> doing so. More often than not, there is disorder in the upstairs
> kitchen,
> so to speak.

I hate to point out the obvious, but 2 pounds of cooked pasta is well over
my current calorie requirements. Whereas, 2 pounds of raw carrots is
beneath my calorie requirements.

--
Bob in CT

That's been pointed out before, many times (e.g., 2 lbs of ice cream vs. 2
lbs of beets).

(Neither would be the 2PD Approach).

Quoted message said:

The "diet" also does not take into account exercise/activity levels. I'm an
avid cyclist, and would find myself in serious difficulty if I tried to ride
a bicycle "century" ride (100 miles) while only eating 2 lbs of food.

It is unlikely that you would expend more energy than Peary:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I1981240A

Quoted message said:

Significantly, it also discounts body size differences and assumes that 2
lbs of food is "just right" for both a 110 lb post-menopausal woman, and a
240 lb 20-year old linebacker.

That has been empirically determined to be true. Sorry.

Quoted message said:

Unfortunately, the "2 pound diet" was (according to the "truth-discerning"
Dr. Chung) inspired by God,

Many would consider blessings from God auspicious.

Quoted message said:

and Chung is on a mission to proselytize its
benefits.

Why would anyone want to keep good news a secret ?

Quoted message said:

So any criticisms of it are immediately discounted as the work of
secularists or Satan.

Try being truthful, Gary.

Quoted message said:

Like most pseudo-scientific claims, it does contain a
grain of truth (eat less), but its simplistic approach is laughably naive.

There is unimaginable power in the truth.

Quoted message said:

AFAIK, the diet has never been studied seriously, or had any peer-reviewed
research published regarding its effectiveness...of course, this does not
stop them from making claims of "zero failure rate", etc.

GG

Then explain the following links:

http://www.heartmdphd.com/press.asp

http://www.acius.net/pdf/pdf_cID-203.pdf

Such is the work being done here for Christ's glory
(http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A).

Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

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Bob Mauri said:

On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:22:40 -0500, Roger Zoul <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Bob Mauri wrote:

||
|| I hate to point out the obvious, but 2 pounds of cooked pasta is
|| well over my current calorie requirements. Whereas, 2 pounds of raw
|| carrots is beneath my calorie requirements.

A lot of people will see pasta as a good thing to eat, too. However, 2
lbs
of homemade cooked paste only has about 1200 kcals according to fitday.
I'd
lose weight like crazy on that, assuming I could stay on such a diet.

Hmmm...my source said about 3000 calories. Doh! I'm an idiot! It was for
dry pasta, not cooked! Foiled in my attempt at MU-bashing!

As for staying on an all-pasta diet, I ate quite a bit of pasta when I was
on my low fat diet. It was ok while I was exercising my butt off. Once I
got injured and couldn't exercise, the high insulin response caused by
pasta got to me.

--
Bob in CT

In all likelihood, your choice not to put up with hunger is what got to
you.

Hope the above information helps you.

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Roger Zoul said:

Bob Mauri wrote:

||
|| I hate to point out the obvious, but 2 pounds of cooked pasta is
|| well over my current calorie requirements. Whereas, 2 pounds of raw
|| carrots is beneath my calorie requirements.

A lot of people will see pasta as a good thing to eat, too. However, 2 lbs
of homemade cooked paste only has about 1200 kcals according to fitday. I'd
lose weight like crazy on that, assuming I could stay on such a diet.

Such a "pasta only" diet would *not* be the 2PD Approach. Would suggest
you read the instructions.

Such is the work being done here for Christ's glory
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Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

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