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  1. Often times events occur that test one's moral compass:

    I had a billing dispute with a large corporation. The corp agreed that
    they had double billed me in error. It took some time and aggravation to
    correct it.

    The billing was a pre-authorized credit card charge and although they
    assured me when I set up the payment system I would get the bill and be able
    to dispute it before my card was charged that turned out not to be the case.
    The customer service rep said it was too late to correct that month's bill
    even though my cc had not yet been debited.They agreed to reverse on the
    next month's bill. My next month's bill did not have the reversal. I call
    back to ask why I was quite the irked customer at this point. My ability to
    be polite had been exhausted.

    Due to my ire they not only agreed to send me a paper cheques as rectifying
    the error electronically seemed inexplicably complex but a small goodwill
    amount for my trouble and potential cc interest charges their error might
    have caused me.

    I might clarify at this point the amount in question: The original bill was
    ~ C$95 plus~C$20 for goodwill. Not a major amount but something worth
    disputing. I did indeed receive a cheque and although I was not exactly
    thrilled with the huge corp, at least it was settled.

    Then a month later they send me another identical cheque. Obviously this
    Big Corp has big issues in their billing department.

    Should I cash it?

    --
    'When my coffin is sealed and I'm safely 6 feet under
    Perhaps my friends will see fit then to judge me
    When they pause to consider all my blunders
    I hope they won't be too quick to begrudge me.' -crash test dummies

  2. 1oki wrote:
    department.

    Quoted message said:


    Should I cash it?

    Just by the fact that you are asking the question, you already know
    what you want to do.

    So go to the bank. You know you want to.

    If you thought it was morally right to send it back and you wanted to
    follow that path...this question would not even arise. Get on that
    bike before the bank closes.

    Maggie.

  3. 1oki said:

    Often times events occur that test one's moral compass:

    Aa you clearly stated, it's a test of your moral compass.

  4. 1oki said:

    Should I cash it?

    Never give up the high ground.

    RichC

  5. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Often times events occur that test one's moral compass:

    So the issue is whether you should tell us the name of this Corporation.

    --
    mac the naïf

  6. "Maggie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    1oki wrote:
    department.

    Quoted message said:


    Should I cash it?

    Just by the fact that you are asking the question, you already know
    what you want to do.

    So go to the bank. You know you want to.

    If you thought it was morally right to send it back and you wanted to
    follow that path...this question would not even arise. Get on that
    bike before the bank closes.

    Maggie.

    So, the Jersey girl is saying, "take the money and run", eh?

    GG

  7. Rich said:
    maxo said:
    1oki said:

    Should I cash it?

    In a perfect world, yeah.
    but it's probably gonna be more trouble than it's worth.

    So in this perfect world of yours, it's OK to take advantage of others
    mistakes? And the important thing is simply to not get caught?

    Rich

    Absolutely.

    When a big faceless corporation wastes my time and mistakenly sends me a
    check big enough for a decent bistro meal, I'd have no problem saying
    "thanks for dinner suckers!".

    It's called moral relativism and helps me live without guilt.

    😄

    BTW, when I tended bar for many years and a drunk patron gave me too much
    money by mistake, I never took advantage of that. Happened quite often,
    and I knew guys that probably made half their rent that way. I couldn't
    live with that.

    There is a difference, and if you can't see it, I don't care to explain.

  8. GaryG said:


    So, the Jersey girl is saying, "take the money and run", eh?

    GG

    BE CAREFUL SHE HAS A GUB!

  9. maxo said:

    When a big faceless corporation wastes my time and mistakenly sends me a
    check big enough for a decent bistro meal, I'd have no problem saying
    "thanks for dinner suckers!".

    How big's an organization need to be before it's OK to take money from
    them that's not rightfully yours? A 5 person company? A 10 person
    company? Maybe 100? Or does it need to be 1000?

    Just curious where the line gets drawn.

    Rich

  10. Where's the moral dilemma? You've received money that you know you are
    not entitled to keep so what difference does it make where the money
    came from? The usual legal definition of theft is to "knowingly exert
    unauthorized control over the property of another intending to
    permanently deprive them of it's use or benefit".
    Cashing the check will make you a thief. That the cashed check is for a
    relatively minor amount would simply make you a petty thief.

    Regards,
    Bob Hunt

  11. "maxo" wrote: (clip) There is a difference, and if you can't see it, I
    don't care to explain.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    That's fine, 'cuz I don't care to hear how you rationalize dishonesty.

  12. maxo said:
    Rich said:
    maxo said:

    On Tue, 03 May 2005 13:57:39 -0400, 1oki wrote:

    > Should I cash it?

    In a perfect world, yeah.
    but it's probably gonna be more trouble than it's worth.

    So in this perfect world of yours, it's OK to take advantage of


    others

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    mistakes? And the important thing is simply to not get caught?

    Rich

    Absolutely.

    When a big faceless corporation wastes my time and mistakenly sends


    me a

    Quoted message said:

    check big enough for a decent bistro meal, I'd have no problem saying
    "thanks for dinner suckers!".

    It's called moral relativism and helps me live without guilt.

    😄

    BTW, when I tended bar for many years and a drunk patron gave me too


    much

    Quoted message said:

    money by mistake, I never took advantage of that. Happened quite


    often,

    Quoted message said:

    and I knew guys that probably made half their rent that way. I


    couldn't

    Quoted message said:

    live with that.

    There is a difference, and if you can't see it, I don't care to


    explain.

    No explanation is needed because both are stealing. That you've
    rationalized stealing from people you never see face-to-face doesn't
    change that.

    Regards,
    Bob Hunt

  13. Cash it and donate it to a worthy charity?

    Quoted message said:
  14. "D. Dub" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:QtXde.1212629$Xk.61312@pd7tw3no...

    Quoted message said:


    Cash it and donate it to a worthy charity?


    Bad idea. If Gigantico ever comes back at the O.P. and wants
    their money back, they won't care that the O.P. gave it to
    charity. The charity won't give the money back, either.
    He'll have to pay it back out of his own pocket.

  15. Leo Lichtman said:

    "Maggie" wrote: (clip) Get on that bike before the bank closes.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Maggie, I'm in disbelief. If I have decoded your response correctly,


    you

    Quoted message said:

    are advising him to keep the money because that is what you think he


    wants

    Quoted message said:

    to do. I refer you to RD Clark's advice.

    My darling Leo, My point in my response was.....IF YOU HAVE TO ASK THE
    QUESTION YOU ALREADY KNOW WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. If my morals compel
    me to do the right thing....I would not even question it, the money is
    not mine and it goes back.....The Jersey girl would not take the money
    and run.

    The Jersey girl sees in black and white. It is not your money, it
    does not belong to you....there are no questions...you send it back.
    I am sorry you could not see my point.

    If he had to ask what he should do...then he was thinking of keeping
    it. HELLO!!!!!!

    If I see a hot, young, handsome guy and he wants to take me to dinner.
    Do I question it or do I just tell him I am married.
    UMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM Where did I leave my moral compass.

    All good things
    Maggie

  16. Maggie said:


    Leo Lichtman said:

    "Maggie" wrote: (clip) Get on that bike before the bank closes.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Maggie, I'm in disbelief. If I have decoded your response correctly,


    you

    Quoted message said:

    are advising him to keep the money because that is what you think he


    wants

    Quoted message said:

    to do. I refer you to RD Clark's advice.

    My darling Leo, My point in my response was.....IF YOU HAVE TO ASK THE
    QUESTION YOU ALREADY KNOW WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. If my morals compel
    me to do the right thing....I would not even question it, the money is
    not mine and it goes back.....The Jersey girl would not take the money
    and run.

    The Jersey girl sees in black and white. It is not your money, it
    does not belong to you....there are no questions...you send it back.
    I am sorry you could not see my point.

    If he had to ask what he should do...then he was thinking of keeping
    it. HELLO!!!!!!

    If I see a hot, young, handsome guy and he wants to take me to dinner.
    Do I question it or do I just tell him I am married.
    UMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM Where did I leave my moral compass.

    All good things
    Maggie

    Haha. Take him to the eye doctor first.

    JB

  17. Jim said:


    Haha. Take him to the eye doctor first.

    JB

    Hey, don't mess with this hot mama baby. I may be old, but I'm still
    sexy. Are you?

    Mags.

  18. I disagree with Maggie

    If he has to ask, he knows keeping the check is wrong.

    Stealing is stealing, no matter the size of the company.

    Send them a certified explanation letter explaining the situation and
    requesting what THEY want you to do. Let them decide.

    Go from there.

    In your heart you know what is right. Follow your heart.

  19. On 4 May 2005 05:47:15 -0700, "Colorado Bicycler" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Send them a certified explanation letter explaining the situation and
    requesting what THEY want you to do. Let them decide.

    I think that's what I would have done. But honesty compels me to
    admit that it would depend on the company concerned and just how
    [censored] I was with them.

    Guy
    --
    May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
    http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

    88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at CHS, Puget Sound

  20. maxo said:
    GaryG said:


    So, the Jersey girl is saying, "take the money and run", eh?

    GG

    BE CAREFUL SHE HAS A GUB!

    Let's not go bananas.

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