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  1. THEY say that in life you get what you deserve. Well, today America has
    deservedly got a lawless cowboy to lead them further into carnage and
    isolation and the unreserved contempt of most of the rest of the world.

    This once-great country has pulled up its drawbridge for another four years
    and stuck a finger up to the billions of us forced to share the same air.
    And in doing so, it has shown itself to be a fearful, backward-looking and
    very small nation.

    This should have been the day when Americans finally answered their critics
    by raising their eyes from their own sidewalks and looking outward towards
    the rest of humanity.

    And for a few hours early yesterday, when the exit polls predicted a John
    Kerry victory, it seemed they had.

    But then the horrible, inevitable truth hit home. They had somehow managed
    to re-elect the most devious, blinkered and reckless leader ever put before
    them. The Yellow Rogue of Texas.

    A self-serving, dim-witted, draft-dodging, gung-ho little rich boy, whose
    idea of courage is to yell: "I feel good," as he unleashes an awesome fury
    which slaughters 100,000 innocents for no other reason than greed and
    vanity.

    A dangerous chameleon, his charming exterior provides cover for a
    power-crazed clique of Doctor Strangeloves whose goal is to increase
    America's grip on the world's economies and natural resources.

    And in foolishly backing him, Americans have given the go-ahead for more
    unilateral pre-emptive strikes, more world instability and most probably
    another 9/11.

    Why else do you think bin Laden was so happy to scare them to the polls,
    then made no attempt to scupper the outcome?

    There's only one headline in town today, folks: "It Was Osama Wot Won It."

    And soon he'll expect pay-back. Well, he can't allow Bush to have his folks
    whoopin' and a-hollerin' without his own getting a share of the fun, can he?

    Heck, guys, I hope you're feeling proud today.

    To the tens of millions who voted for John Kerry, my commiserations.

    To the overwhelming majority of you who didn't, I simply ask: Have you
    learnt nothing? Do you despise your own image that much?

    Do you care so little about the world beyond your shores? How could you do
    this to yourselves?

    How appalling must one man's record at home and abroad be for you to reject
    him?

    Kerry wasn't the best presidential candidate the Democrats have ever fielded
    (and he did deserve a kicking for that "reporting for doo-dee" moment), but
    at least he understood the complexity of the world outside America, and
    domestic disgraces like the 45 million of his fellow citizens without health
    cover.

    He would have done something to make that country fairer and re-connected it
    with the wider world.

    Instead America chose a man without morals or vision. An economic
    incompetent who inherited a $2billion surplus from Clinton, gave it in tax
    cuts to the rich and turned the US into the world's largest debtor nation.

    A man who sneers at the rights of other nations. Who has withdrawn from
    international treaties on the environment and chemical weapons.

    A man who flattens sovereign states then hands the rebuilding contracts to
    his own billionaire party backers.

    A man who promotes trade protectionism and backs an Israeli government which
    continually flouts UN resolutions.

    America has chosen a menacingly immature buffoon who likened the pursuit of
    the 9/11 terrorists to a Wild West, Wanted Dead or Alive man-hunt and,
    during the Afghanistan war, kept a baseball scorecard in his drawer,
    notching up hits when news came through of enemy deaths.

    A RADICAL Christian fanatic who decided the world was made up of the forces
    of good and evil, who invented a war on terror, and thus as author of it,
    believed he had the right to set the rules of engagement.

    Which translates to telling his troops to do what the hell they want to the
    bad guys. As he has at Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib and countless towns across
    Iraq.

    You have to feel sorry for the millions of Yanks in the big cities like New
    York, Washington, Boston, Chicago, Los Angeles and San Francisco who voted
    to kick him out.

    These are the sophisticated side of the electorate who recognise a gibbon
    when they see one.

    As for the ones who put him in, across the Bible Belt and the South, us
    outsiders can only feel pity.

    Were I a Kerry voter, though, I'd feel deep anger, not only at them
    returning Bush to power, but for allowing the outside world to lump us all
    into the same category of moronic muppets.

    The self-righteous, gun-totin', military lovin', sister marryin',
    abortion-hatin', gay-loathin', foreigner-despisin', non-passport ownin'
    red-necks, who believe God gave America the biggest [censored] in the world so it
    could urinate on the rest of us and make their land "free and strong".

    You probably won't be surprised to learn of would-be Oklahoma Republican
    Senator Tom Coburn who, on Tuesday, promised to ban abortion and execute any
    doctors who carried them out.

    He also told voters that lesbianism is so rampant in the state's schools
    that girls were being sent to toilets on their own. Not that any principal
    could be found to back him up.

    These are the people who hijack the word patriot and liken compassion to
    child-molesting. And they are unknowingly bin Laden's chief recruiting
    officers.

    Al-Qaeda's existence is fuelled by the outpourings of America's Christian
    right. Bush is its commander-in-chief. And he and bin Laden need each other
    to survive.

    Both need to play Lex Luther to each others' Superman with their own
    fanatical people. Maybe that's why the mightiest military machine ever
    assembled has failed to catch the world's most wanted man.

    Or is the reason simply that America is incompetent? That behind the bluff
    they are frightened and clueless, which is why they've stayed with the devil
    they know.

    VISITORS from another planet watching this election would surely not credit
    the amateurism.

    The queues for hours to register a tick; the 17,000 lawyers needed to ensure
    there was no cheating; the $1.2bn wasted by parties trying to discredit the
    enemy; the allegations of fraud, intimidation and dirty tricks; the exit
    polls which were so wildly inaccurate; an Electoral College voting system
    that makes the Eurovision Song Contest look like a beacon of democracy and
    efficiency; and the delays and the legal wrangles in announcing the victor.

    Yet America would have us believe theirs is the finest democracy in the
    world. Well, that fine democracy has got the man it deserved. George W Bush.

    But is America safer today without Kerry in charge? A man who overnight
    would have given back to the UN some credibility and authority. Who would
    have worked out the best way to undo the Iraq mess without fear of losing
    face.

    Instead, the questions facing America today are - how many more thousands of
    their sons will die as Iraq descends into a new Vietnam? And how many more
    Vietnams are on the horizon now they have given Bush the mandate to go after
    Iran, Syria, North Korea or Cuba...?

    Today is a sad day for the world, but it's even sadder for the millions of
    intelligent Americans embarrassed by a gung-ho leader and backed by a banal
    electorate, half of whom still believe Saddam Hussein was behind 9/11.

    Yanks had the chance to show the world a better way this week, instead they
    made a thuggish cowboy ride off into the sunset bathed in glory.

    And in doing so it brought Armageddon that little bit closer and
    re-christened their beloved nation The Home Of The Knave and the Land Of The
    Freak.

    God Help America.

    Brian Reade writing in The Mirror

  2. "B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    THEY say that in life you get what you deserve. Well, today America has
    deservedly got a lawless cowboy to lead them further into carnage and
    isolation and the unreserved contempt of most of the rest of the world.

    This once-great country has pulled up its drawbridge for another four


    years

    Quoted message said:

    and stuck a finger up to the billions of us forced to share the same air.
    And in doing so, it has shown itself to be a fearful, backward-looking and
    very small nation.

    SNIP>..........>

    Don't have time to read your entire list of complaints about America....
    The only thing that is proven is that you, John Kerry, and the rest of the
    saltwater states including the one that I have to live in are out of touch
    with the sentiment of the American majority. Much of what you say is
    unfounded liberal dribble with a dash of post election blues. I think John
    Kerry ran a valiant campaign and looking back, I admit I have a lot of
    respect for his efforts and passion.. However, the bottom line still is that
    Bush isn't perfect but he is better for America than Kerry at this point in
    time. Calling the rest of America "stupid" or saying "they get what they
    deserve" is why I'll never be able to move to the left as many of the
    liberals I know do not respect the office of the Presidency. I was more than
    willing to accept the outcome of the election and move forward with a change
    if that is what America decided because I respect the office and the
    democratic process. You sound like someone who just "wants it their way".
    That to me sounds like a dictatorship or communism. Either way, I would
    agree that Bush has a challenge in bringing the country back together..

    I'm glad we live in a society where we can have disagreements and move
    forward....well at least the majority of us. I hope Canada is not too cold
    for you to pursue your cycling aspirations!

    Danny Callen

  3. "B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    THEY say that in life you get what you deserve. Well, today America has
    deservedly got a lawless cowboy to lead them further into carnage and
    isolation and the unreserved contempt of most of the rest of the world.

    <huge snip>

    Oh if only this really were THE FINAL election assessment. But in a typical
    liberal move, you overpromise, no doubt. I'm sure the spewing of the
    liberal hand-wringing crybaby sore loser [censored] will go on for quite some time
    to come. It probably would be better if you all actually DID go to Canada.
    It's funny how much talk there's been about that, but without
    follow-through. And doesn't THAT sound like a familiar pattern.

    Bob C.

  4. "psycholist" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    THEY say that in life you get what you deserve. Well, today America has
    deservedly got a lawless cowboy to lead them further into carnage and
    isolation and the unreserved contempt of most of the rest of the world.

    <huge snip>

    Oh if only this really were THE FINAL election assessment. But in a
    typical liberal move, you overpromise, no doubt. I'm sure the spewing of
    the liberal hand-wringing crybaby sore loser [censored] will go on for quite
    some time to come. It probably would be better if you all actually DID go
    to Canada. It's funny how much talk there's been about that, but without
    follow-through. And doesn't THAT sound like a familiar pattern.

    Bob C.


    In under three years you'll wish that YOU were living in Canada.

  5. "psycholist" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    THEY say that in life you get what you deserve. Well, today America has
    deservedly got a lawless cowboy to lead them further into carnage and
    isolation and the unreserved contempt of most of the rest of the world.

    <huge snip>

    Oh if only this really were THE FINAL election assessment. But in a
    typical
    liberal move, you overpromise, no doubt. I'm sure the spewing of the
    liberal hand-wringing crybaby sore loser [censored] will go on for quite some
    time
    to come. It probably would be better if you all actually DID go to
    Canada.
    It's funny how much talk there's been about that, but without
    follow-through. And doesn't THAT sound like a familiar pattern.

    Bob C.

    The crisis is looming.

    Dollar at record low against euro
    The dollar fell to a record low against the euro on Friday, with analysts
    forecasting more declines to come.
    Oil prices, meanwhile, were still under pressure, falling from recent highs
    to their lowest levels in five weeks.

    Stock markets, however, continued to surge in the US, Asia and Europe
    following the re-election of President George W Bush.

    Investors said they expected Mr Bush to keep the dollar weak in order to
    stoke export demand and economic growth.

    Some also were worried that the size of the US budget deficit could drive
    down the dollar even further.

    Brushed off

    The drop in the dollar came despite positive jobs data from the US Labor
    Office on Friday.

    "What this shows is that the structural problems in the US economy are
    completely dominating the positive cyclical news that we had today from
    payrolls [unemployment figures]," said Aziz McMahon, a strategist at ABN
    Amro in London.

    "It seems now that the longer-term investors like pension funds and perhaps
    monetary authorities are either hedging their dollar risk or moving assets
    out of the United States.

    "It looks like the dollar has further to fall," Mr McMahon said.

    The US currency dropped as low as $1.2940 against the euro.

    "The price action today is nothing short of stunning," said Richard
    Franulovich of Westpac Banking. "This is a pretty good guide at just how
    entrenched negative sentiment is toward the dollar."

  6. "B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    THEY say that in life you get what you deserve. Well, today America has
    deservedly got a lawless cowboy to lead them further into carnage and
    isolation and the unreserved contempt of most of the rest of the world.

    This once-great country has pulled up its drawbridge for another four


    years

    Quoted message said:

    and stuck a finger up to the billions of us forced to share the same air.
    And in doing so, it has shown itself to be a fearful, backward-looking and
    very small nation.

    This should have been the day when Americans finally answered their


    critics

    Quoted message said:

    by raising their eyes from their own sidewalks and looking outward towards
    the rest of humanity.

    And for a few hours early yesterday, when the exit polls predicted a John
    Kerry victory, it seemed they had.

    And yet...

    Gee, do you think the theories about the exit polls could be true? The
    theory goes something like this; the vocal minority (hostile liberals) have
    been whining the entire term since the "stolen" election. Virtually all of
    the swing voters were voting for Bush but felt ashamed because of all the
    intense rhetoric they had to endure. Thus, they voted for Bush but
    defensively reported Kerry votes to the pollsters (as they had become
    accustomed to doing in public).

    Quoted message said:

    But then the horrible, inevitable truth hit home.

    More voters wanted Bush. "the horrible"? Do you see how you make yourself
    look? Days after the fat lady sung her sad song to you and you are still
    doling out that sappy over-the-top rhetoric that was already too much when
    you had a chance to get a Dem in the Whitehouse. Now is it just stupid and
    reflective of a poor attitude.

    They had somehow managed

    Quoted message said:

    to re-elect the most devious, blinkered and reckless leader ever put


    before

    Quoted message said:

    them. The Yellow Rogue of Texas.

    By getting more votes?

    <I had to snip the rest>

    Oh, my God! Bryan, get over yourself. I know that with cycling in the off
    season it is tempting to whine about politics until February, but please
    don't. I'd rather read recycled [censored] about anything to do with cycling
    than this tired whining about "the Demon" (second term) POtUS.

  7. Not my words. You did read to the end for comprehension, didn't you?

    "Chris" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    THEY say that in life you get what you deserve. Well, today America has
    deservedly got a lawless cowboy to lead them further into carnage and
    isolation and the unreserved contempt of most of the rest of the world.

    This once-great country has pulled up its drawbridge for another four


    years

    Quoted message said:

    and stuck a finger up to the billions of us forced to share the same air.
    And in doing so, it has shown itself to be a fearful, backward-looking
    and
    very small nation.

    This should have been the day when Americans finally answered their


    critics

    Quoted message said:

    by raising their eyes from their own sidewalks and looking outward
    towards
    the rest of humanity.

    And for a few hours early yesterday, when the exit polls predicted a John
    Kerry victory, it seemed they had.

    And yet...

    Gee, do you think the theories about the exit polls could be true? The
    theory goes something like this; the vocal minority (hostile liberals)
    have
    been whining the entire term since the "stolen" election. Virtually all of
    the swing voters were voting for Bush but felt ashamed because of all the
    intense rhetoric they had to endure. Thus, they voted for Bush but
    defensively reported Kerry votes to the pollsters (as they had become
    accustomed to doing in public).

    Quoted message said:

    But then the horrible, inevitable truth hit home.

    More voters wanted Bush. "the horrible"? Do you see how you make yourself
    look? Days after the fat lady sung her sad song to you and you are still
    doling out that sappy over-the-top rhetoric that was already too much when
    you had a chance to get a Dem in the Whitehouse. Now is it just stupid and
    reflective of a poor attitude.

    They had somehow managed

    Quoted message said:

    to re-elect the most devious, blinkered and reckless leader ever put


    before

    Quoted message said:

    them. The Yellow Rogue of Texas.

    By getting more votes?

    <I had to snip the rest>

    Oh, my God! Bryan, get over yourself. I know that with cycling in the off
    season it is tempting to whine about politics until February, but please
    don't. I'd rather read recycled [censored] about anything to do with cycling
    than this tired whining about "the Demon" (second term) POtUS.

  8. Quoted message said:

    From: "B. Lafferty" [email hidden]

    Quoted message said:

    Not my words. You did read to the end for comprehension, didn't you?


    Here's the end

    Today is a sad day for the world, but it's even sadder for the millions of
    intelligent Americans embarrassed by a gung-ho leader and backed by a banal
    electorate, half of whom still believe Saddam Hussein was behind 9/11.

    Yanks had the chance to show the world a better way this week, instead they
    made a thuggish cowboy ride off into the sunset bathed in glory.

    And in doing so it brought Armageddon that little bit closer and re-christened
    their beloved nation The Home Of The Knave and the Land Of The Freak.

    God Help America.

    Not Brian's words but what he sent here. If he thought it was wrong he wouldn't
    have posted it.
    Let's all pray for the Nobel Peace Prize winner Arafat. Let's all cower in
    fear from the future, let's all bury our heads in the sand.
    Brian I could not live the way you do. My faith tells me it's wrong to live in
    fear and so does my reasoning. I refuse to cower in a corner. I refuse to think
    that the future will not be better. I refuse to think that people who disgree
    with me are stupid, or evil. I honestly try to see their point of view.
    I do think that there comes a time to stand and fight for freedom and a chance
    for a better life. I think it's criminal to cling to your single life if your
    sacrifice could save many others lives and hopes. I think that sometimes
    innocents have to die in order to defeat tyranny.
    Now go ahead and tell me I don't get it. I don't mind at all.
    Bill Crowther

  9. "TritonRider" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    From: "B. Lafferty" [email hidden]

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Not Brian's words but what he sent here. If he thought it was wrong he
    wouldn't


    have posted it.
    Let's all pray for the Nobel Peace Prize winner Arafat. Let's all cower
    in
    fear from the future, let's all bury our heads in the sand.

    Irrelevant to the election except that Bush carried the Florida Jewish vote
    by supporting Sharon without question.

    Quoted message said:

    Brian I could not live the way you do. My faith tells me it's wrong to
    live in
    fear and so does my reasoning. I refuse to cower in a corner. I refuse to
    think
    that the future will not be better.

    I can assure you that I don't live in fear, cowering in a corner. The
    future may be better, but not necessarily. Bush policies on the
    environment, international structures, national debt and abrogation of
    treaties on WMDs is less than likely to make for a better future. In fact,
    the pentagon realesased a study in which they told W. that global warming
    and the resultant famines resulting in food wars would be the GREATEST
    security threat to the US over the coming 100 years. But Bush won't sing on
    to Kyoto and continues to let indusrty add to the problem.

    Quoted message said:

    I refuse to think that people who disgree
    with me are stupid, or evil.

    Some are. Some aren't. I would substitute the word ignorant for stupid.

    Quoted message said:

    I honestly try to see their point of view.
    I do think that there comes a time to stand and fight for freedom and a
    chance
    for a better life. I think it's criminal to cling to your single life if
    your
    sacrifice could save many others lives and hopes. I think that sometimes
    innocents have to die in order to defeat tyranny.

    My thoughts too. I can't help but think of our founding Fathers (Mothers
    too) and hwat they might have to say to W.

    Quoted message said:

    Now go ahead and tell me I don't get it. I don't mind at all.

    Some things you get. ;-)

    Quoted message said:

    Bill Crowther

  10. Quoted message said:

    From: "B. Lafferty" [email hidden]

    Quoted message said:

    I can assure you that I don't live in fear, cowering in a corner.

    I don't see any other reason for your attitude and desire to escape.

    Quoted message said:

    The
    future may be better, but not necessarily. Bush policies on the
    environment, international structures, national debt and abrogation of
    treaties on WMDs is less than likely to make for a better future.

    It's NOT just about Bush. It's about America. I have faith in our people to do
    what's right.
    Did you know that our military is one of the few on the planet to have not
    attempted to take over the democratic government. That's because of what
    Americans believe in. You have been going on about a theocracy, Bush fascism,
    everything you are afraid of. You've called me a Pollyanna before. Yep! I'm a
    stupid SOB who put his ass on the line on the Czech Border and with the 509th
    Bomb Wing. My Wife is a 40% disabled vet due primarily to training injuries. I
    LIKE Barry Sadler's album because it talks to, and about the people that went
    there and did their best.
    This is what really works for me:

    Back at home a young wife waits
    Her Green Beret has met his fate
    He has died for those oppressed
    Leaving her this last request:

    last cho:
    Put silver wings on my son's chest
    Make him one of America's best
    He'll be a man they'll test one day
    Have him win the Green Beret.
    We aren't always right, the politicians may abuse us, but you have to believe
    in the vision that our Costitution provides.
    Bill C

  11. Sigh.......

    "TritonRider" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    From: "B. Lafferty" [email hidden]

    Quoted message said:

    I can assure you that I don't live in fear, cowering in a corner.

    I don't see any other reason for your attitude and desire to escape.

    Quoted message said:

    The
    future may be better, but not necessarily. Bush policies on the
    environment, international structures, national debt and abrogation of
    treaties on WMDs is less than likely to make for a better future.

    It's NOT just about Bush. It's about America. I have faith in our people
    to do
    what's right.
    Did you know that our military is one of the few on the planet to have not
    attempted to take over the democratic government. That's because of what
    Americans believe in. You have been going on about a theocracy, Bush
    fascism,
    everything you are afraid of. You've called me a Pollyanna before. Yep!
    I'm a
    stupid SOB who put his ass on the line on the Czech Border and with the
    509th
    Bomb Wing. My Wife is a 40% disabled vet due primarily to training
    injuries. I
    LIKE Barry Sadler's album because it talks to, and about the people that
    went
    there and did their best.
    This is what really works for me:

    Back at home a young wife waits
    Her Green Beret has met his fate
    He has died for those oppressed
    Leaving her this last request:

    last cho:
    Put silver wings on my son's chest
    Make him one of America's best
    He'll be a man they'll test one day
    Have him win the Green Beret.
    We aren't always right, the politicians may abuse us, but you have to
    believe
    in the vision that our Costitution provides.
    Bill C

  12. Danny Callen said:

    Don't have time to read your entire list of complaints about America....
    The only thing that is proven is that you, John Kerry, and the rest of the
    saltwater states including the one that I have to live in are out of touch
    with the sentiment of the American majority.

    Yeah Bush got a "majority" -- we can all look it up in the dictionary.
    more than 50%. What does that mean? Did you go around talking about
    how you yourself were out of touch with America majority since you
    didn't (presumably) vote for Gore last time? Don't be a dumbass and
    think because "your" side got 51% of the vote that's significant in
    deciding about right and wrong. Lots of people like Britney Spear and
    McDonald's and both are [censored].

    51% IS signficant in that Bush gets to stay in the Whitehouse, sure.

    Quoted message said:

    However, the bottom line still is that
    Bush isn't perfect but he is better for America
    than Kerry at this point in
    time.

    Danny, sad to say you're one of the dumbass 51% majority if you
    actually believe that.

    If you want to say you believe in Bush because he's against gay
    marriage and for God, then fine. The first half of that is hateful
    but at least that's honest. If you want to say you're against Kerry
    because you have some belief that Kerry is a socialist or something,
    OK, you're ignorant.

    But if you actually believe that the country is better off
    econimically or in terms of security with Kerry, you're a dupe. Sad
    to say we know now that many American voters have proven to be duped
    by the liars in the administration. Sad to say lying about the war
    and lying about the economy work. Safer? What a joke. Economy, huge
    problems down the pike. Massive deficit. Troops screwed. But what
    does it matter if the president can just deny reality and dupe people.
    Duping works. You've been duped.

    JT

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  13. ok, you got the last word, at least we hope so. now tell us, why have we
    heard no more from tyler, and why does he need our money to defend himself?
    what about that worldwide loss of respect for the US? get on to something
    topical. will floyd be the team leader over at phonak this year?
    "B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Sigh.......

    "TritonRider" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    From: "B. Lafferty" [email hidden]

    Quoted message said:

    I can assure you that I don't live in fear, cowering in a corner.

    I don't see any other reason for your attitude and desire to escape.

    Quoted message said:

    The
    future may be better, but not necessarily. Bush policies on the
    environment, international structures, national debt and abrogation of
    treaties on WMDs is less than likely to make for a better future.

    It's NOT just about Bush. It's about America. I have faith in our people
    to do
    what's right.
    Did you know that our military is one of the few on the planet to have


    not

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    attempted to take over the democratic government. That's because of what
    Americans believe in. You have been going on about a theocracy, Bush
    fascism,
    everything you are afraid of. You've called me a Pollyanna before. Yep!
    I'm a
    stupid SOB who put his ass on the line on the Czech Border and with the
    509th
    Bomb Wing. My Wife is a 40% disabled vet due primarily to training
    injuries. I
    LIKE Barry Sadler's album because it talks to, and about the people that
    went
    there and did their best.
    This is what really works for me:

    Back at home a young wife waits
    Her Green Beret has met his fate
    He has died for those oppressed
    Leaving her this last request:

    last cho:
    Put silver wings on my son's chest
    Make him one of America's best
    He'll be a man they'll test one day
    Have him win the Green Beret.
    We aren't always right, the politicians may abuse us, but you have to
    believe
    in the vision that our Costitution provides.
    Bill C

  14. "bobby carter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    ok, you got the last word, at least we hope so. now tell us, why have we
    heard no more from tyler,

    Because he's on vacation with Haven?

    and why does he need our money to defend himself?

    The more folks give him, the fewer of his own Euros he has to spend.

    Quoted message said:

    what about that worldwide loss of respect for the US?


    Respect in cycling?

    Quoted message said:

    get on to something
    topical. will floyd be the team leader over at phonak this year?

    No. In 2006, maybe

  15. Danny Callen said:


    "B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote nothing

    Quoted message said:

    I hope Canada is not too cold
    for you to pursue your cycling aspirations!

    I don't think he'll be happy there for long. He should cut to the chase and
    head straight to Pyongyang. Or maybe head on out to Havanna with Paterson.
    What pathetic whiners.

    Thanks,
    g-spot
    · didn't vote for bush
    · didn't vote for kerry
    · not sniveling like a pathetic fool 'cause "my guy" didn't win

  16. "John Forrest Tomlinson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 15:38:14 -0500, "Danny Callen"
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    <more liberal dribble>>

    Explain to me why someone that disagrees with you is a DUPE , LIAR, or a few
    of the comments you made. Your not ignorant or stupid John so don't act it.
    I disagree with everything you've said in your email, yet I don't recall
    calling you "stupid" or "duped" or "hateful". In fact if you read my email,
    you'll find that I described my respect for the process and the American
    people; while, you have sat on your high horse along with a few others and
    looked down on those that disagree with you. That my friend is exactly the
    reason why your candidate lost the election.

    Danny Callen

  17. I am outta here...
    If anyone (especially a regular) sees a need to post something like this, or
    even defend it, in a Bike Racing newsgroup for crissakes is not I group I
    want to associate with.

    Adios! I cannot do anything more.

    I've never read such vile hatred; you really out to be ashamed of yourself
    BL.

    -Ken

  18. Danny Callen said:

    "John Forrest Tomlinson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 15:38:14 -0500, "Danny Callen"
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    <more liberal dribble>>

    Explain to me why someone that disagrees with you is a DUPE , LIAR, or a few
    of the comments you made. Your not ignorant or stupid John so don't act it.
    I disagree with everything you've said in your email, yet I don't recall
    calling you "stupid" or "duped" or "hateful". In fact if you read my email,
    you'll find that I described my respect for the process and the American
    people; while, you have sat on your high horse along with a few others and
    looked down on those that disagree with you. That my friend is exactly the
    reason why your candidate lost the election.

    Danny Callen

    Danny, you are a dupe. This administration, and the Republican Party in general, has made a habit of lying through their teeth and knowing that if they repeat the same lie enough, and cover it with the American flag, enough of the electorate will believe it for them to stay in power.

    [censored] Cheney, Paul Bremer, Rudy Giuliani, and Marc Racicot are the worst of a very bad lot.

    If you support the movement to deny civil unions to gay people simply because they are gay, you are also hateful. You may say "I don't feel hateful,", but imagine if you were denied the right to visit your loved one in the hospital overnight because the majority didn't like you.

    And I don't know about you being a liar. I will vouch for your ignorance however.

  19. B. Lafferty wrote:

    <snip>

    Dumbass -

    Since you're a Bush hater and a LANCE hater, how do you feel about
    LANCE's girlfriend singing at a Kerry rally?

    thanks,

    K. Gringioni.

  20. Danny,

    If you're going to accuse someone else of being arrogant, don't act
    "more superior than thou" while doing so. It doesn't stick when you do
    it that way.

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