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In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

I got asked to translate the name of the bike club into English.

<snip>

Quoted message said:

Tianya Qilu

Literal translation of tianya is "boundaries of the universe" or "end
of the sky." Sometimes "horizon." It's one of the poetic names that
has been given to Hainan for centuries, because, as the southernmost
province of China, Hainan is clearly the farthest outpost of
civilization and the civilized world.

The somewhat easier qilu literally translates as "riders of donkeys"

<snip>

Quoted message said:

Some of the options I've come up with are:

Paradise Donkeys Cycling Club
Paradise Knights Cycling Club
Horizon Knights Cycling Club

How about Edge of Heaven Cycling Club? You lose the knight imagery, but regain
some of the "end of the sky" poetry that's otherwise lost with a translation to
"paradise".

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(_)/ (_)

Quoted message said:

I got asked to translate the name of the bike club into English.

Probably because the name of the bike club is something tremendously
weird and none of the English speaking Chinese people in the club have
been willing to tackle it for fear that they'd get the English all
wrong.

天涯骑驴

Tianya Qilu

Literal translation of tianya is "boundaries of the universe" or "end
of the sky." Sometimes "horizon." It's one of the poetic names that
has been given to Hainan for centuries, because, as the southernmost
province of China, Hainan is clearly the farthest outpost of
civilization and the civilized world.

The somewhat easier qilu literally translates as "riders of donkeys"

When I asked why the bike club was called Tianya Qilu (in the hopes of
finding some easier way of translating the name) I got given a magazine
article where it explained that the tianya is for Hainan because Hainan
is a natural paradise, and the donkey riding is because the members of
the bike club had the spirit of the knights of olde and donkeys are
probably at least as hard if not harder to ride than mountain bikes.
(Last I checked knights rode horses but hey...)

We've already got the staid boring normal name for the Hainan
Provincial Cycling Assosciation, which, although it is based out of the
same bike shop and run by the same people as the bike club is not
exactly the same as the bike club. Really quite a different thing. Or
so they tell me. The bike club is the bike club, the cycling
assosciation is the cycling assosciation and never the twain shall meet
unless it's over tea and cookies at the shop across the street.

The literal translation "Donkey Riders at the End of the Universe" has
already been shot down on the grounds of being too long. Can I come up
with something with some of the poetry of the original?

Some of the options I've come up with are:

Paradise Donkeys Cycling Club
Paradise Knights Cycling Club
Horizon Knights Cycling Club

with Horizon Donkeys just being waaaay too weird and Paradise Donkeys
probably being the best of the three. So, what do you people think?
Should I run "Paradise Donkeys Cycling Club" by laobanniang or shall I
just slink into a corner and pretend to forget that they asked me?

-M

"tianya" = horizon

"qilu" = riders (of donkeys)

Horizon Riders? No need to mention what they're riding.

mark

"mark" wrote: Horizon Riders? No need to mention what they're riding
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Good. The use of the word "riders" introduces a useful anbiguity, which
translates from the Chinese meaning, while still describing the current
activity. So: "Paradise Riders," or "Horizon Riders," or :Far Out Riders."

Borderline Assmen?

Most Auspicious Priory of the Knights of the Burro?

email hidden said:

I got asked to translate the name of the bike club into English.

Probably because the name of the bike club is something tremendously
weird and none of the English speaking Chinese people in the club have
been willing to tackle it for fear that they'd get the English all
wrong.

????

Tianya Qilu

I was thinking Endless Horizons, until I got to the donkey part.
Knights of Endless Horizon.

Quoted message said:

Some of the options I've come up with are:

Paradise Donkeys Cycling Club
Paradise Knights Cycling Club
Horizon Knights Cycling Club

Paradise Donkey Riders :-)
Edge of the Universe Cyclists

Wayne

Quoted message said:

I was thinking Endless Horizons, until I got to the donkey part.
Knights of Endless Horizon.

Endless Horizon Riders

In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

Most Auspicious Priory of the Knights of the Burro?

Only if pronounced in a ridiculous English accent.

--

__o Kristian Zoerhoff
_'\(,_ [email hidden]
(_)/ (_)

Quoted message said:

I got asked to translate the name of the bike club into English.

Probably because the name of the bike club is something tremendously
weird and none of the English speaking Chinese people in the club have
been willing to tackle it for fear that they'd get the English all
wrong.

天涯骑驴

Tianya Qilu

[snip]

Lose the literal translation - no one translate Chinese into English
literally.

Quoted message said:

Some of the options I've come up with are:

Paradise Donkeys Cycling Club
Paradise Knights Cycling Club
Horizon Knights Cycling Club

with Horizon Donkeys just being waaaay too weird and Paradise Donkeys
probably being the best of the three. So, what do you people think?
Should I run "Paradise Donkeys Cycling Club" by laobanniang or shall I
just slink into a corner and pretend to forget that they asked me?

-M

Horizon Paradise Cycling Club

Pat in TX said:

Quoted message said:

I was thinking Endless Horizons, until I got to the donkey part.
Knights of Endless Horizon.

Endless Horizon Riders

I like it!

Wayne

In article <[email hidden]>,

Quoted post said:

I got asked to translate the name of the bike club into English.

Probably because the name of the bike club is something tremendously
weird and none of the English speaking Chinese people in the club have
been willing to tackle it for fear that they'd get the English all
wrong.

=E5=A4=A9=E6=B6=AF=E9=AA=91=E9=A9=B4

Tianya Qilu

[snip]

Quoted message said:

We've already got the staid boring normal name for the Hainan
Provincial Cycling Assosciation, which, although it is based out of the
same bike shop and run by the same people as the bike club is not
exactly the same as the bike club. Really quite a different thing. Or
so they tell me. The bike club is the bike club, the cycling
assosciation is the cycling assosciation and never the twain shall meet
unless it's over tea and cookies at the shop across the street.

[snip]

Quoted message said:

So, what do you people think?

If the bike _shop_ is your team's sponsor, how about going
conventional, with Team <insert name of bike shop/team sponsor here>?

Of course that would give your team an "at home" name and an
"abroad" name, unless the name of the bike shop is Tianya Qilu,
which I guess would put you back to square one.

Still, I think "Team Tianya Qilu" has more exotic cachet
than "Credit Agricole" or "Phonak".

cheers,
Tom

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Knights of Paradise Riders
Paradise Knights
Paradise Riders

<[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
I got asked to translate the name of the bike club into English.

Probably because the name of the bike club is something tremendously
weird and none of the English speaking Chinese people in the club have
been willing to tackle it for fear that they'd get the English all
wrong.

????

Tianya Qilu

Literal translation of tianya is "boundaries of the universe" or "end
of the sky." Sometimes "horizon." It's one of the poetic names that
has been given to Hainan for centuries, because, as the southernmost
province of China, Hainan is clearly the farthest outpost of
civilization and the civilized world.

The somewhat easier qilu literally translates as "riders of donkeys"

When I asked why the bike club was called Tianya Qilu (in the hopes of
finding some easier way of translating the name) I got given a magazine
article where it explained that the tianya is for Hainan because Hainan
is a natural paradise, and the donkey riding is because the members of
the bike club had the spirit of the knights of olde and donkeys are
probably at least as hard if not harder to ride than mountain bikes.
(Last I checked knights rode horses but hey...)

We've already got the staid boring normal name for the Hainan
Provincial Cycling Assosciation, which, although it is based out of the
same bike shop and run by the same people as the bike club is not
exactly the same as the bike club. Really quite a different thing. Or
so they tell me. The bike club is the bike club, the cycling
assosciation is the cycling assosciation and never the twain shall meet
unless it's over tea and cookies at the shop across the street.

The literal translation "Donkey Riders at the End of the Universe" has
already been shot down on the grounds of being too long. Can I come up
with something with some of the poetry of the original?

Some of the options I've come up with are:

Paradise Donkeys Cycling Club
Paradise Knights Cycling Club
Horizon Knights Cycling Club

with Horizon Donkeys just being waaaay too weird and Paradise Donkeys
probably being the best of the three. So, what do you people think?
Should I run "Paradise Donkeys Cycling Club" by laobanniang or shall I
just slink into a corner and pretend to forget that they asked me?

-M

On 7 Dec 2006 06:56:30 -0800, "[email hidden]"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

Heavenly Asses.

Paradise Knights
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Diablo Scott said:

Borderline Assmen?

Most Auspicious Priory of the Knights of the Burro?

While I have a feeling that Monty Python would go over pretty well with
some of the group, I'm also thinking that there is no way that would
fit on our jersey sleeves.

Jeanne said:

Quoted message said:

I got asked to translate the name of the bike club into English.

Probably because the name of the bike club is something tremendously
weird and none of the English speaking Chinese people in the club have
been willing to tackle it for fear that they'd get the English all
wrong.

天涯骑驴

Tianya Qilu

[snip]

Lose the literal translation - no one translate Chinese into English
literally.

But the literal meaning helps when I'm asking people who aren't fluent
in Chinese for suggestions. Poetic Chinese and babelfish don't play
nicely together.

-M

Tom Keats said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Quoted post said:

I got asked to translate the name of the bike club into English.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

We've already got the staid boring normal name for the Hainan
Provincial Cycling Assosciation, which, although it is based out of the
same bike shop and run by the same people as the bike club is not
exactly the same as the bike club. Really quite a different thing. Or
so they tell me. The bike club is the bike club, the cycling
assosciation is the cycling assosciation and never the twain shall meet
unless it's over tea and cookies at the shop across the street.

[snip]

Quoted message said:

So, what do you people think?

If the bike _shop_ is your team's sponsor, how about going
conventional, with Team <insert name of bike shop/team sponsor here>?

Except that the actual name of the bike shop, the name that the bikers
call the bike shop and the name that everyone else calls the bike shop
are three completely different things.

"Fuchunshan of Hainan"
"The Shop" or "West Jiefang Street"
"Giant Bicycles"

Quoted message said:

Of course that would give your team an "at home" name and an
"abroad" name, unless the name of the bike shop is Tianya Qilu,
which I guess would put you back to square one.

Don't need an at home name. There's really only us. There's also
'them' but because of politics while 'us' can go play with 'them',
'them' can't come play with 'us' and makes a loud point of not really
wanting to anyway, so there, nyah nyah.

Quoted message said:

Still, I think "Team Tianya Qilu" has more exotic cachet
than "Credit Agricole" or "Phonak".

Ahh, whereas my friends think having a Real English name is far more
exotic than something boring and Chinese.

The bike team (which almost but not quite succeeds in being a seperate
entity from the bike club) has an English name on their jerseys (sort
of my fault), the cycling assosciation (which claims to be a seperate
entity from the bike club) has an English name, and all the Real Racer
Boys that were here at the Tour de Hainan had English names...

Even the them have an English name.

-M

Kristian M Zoerhoff said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

I got asked to translate the name of the bike club into English.

<snip>

Quoted message said:

Tianya Qilu

Literal translation of tianya is "boundaries of the universe" or "end
of the sky." Sometimes "horizon." It's one of the poetic names that
has been given to Hainan for centuries, because, as the southernmost
province of China, Hainan is clearly the farthest outpost of
civilization and the civilized world.

The somewhat easier qilu literally translates as "riders of donkeys"

<snip>

Quoted message said:

Some of the options I've come up with are:

Paradise Donkeys Cycling Club
Paradise Knights Cycling Club
Horizon Knights Cycling Club

How about Edge of Heaven Cycling Club? You lose the knight imagery, but regain
some of the "end of the sky" poetry that's otherwise lost with a translation to
"paradise".

Paradise was on my mind because someone in the marketing department for
the Tour de Hainan came up with "Hainan, a Natural Paradise for
Cyclists"

With the exception of "Happy Bike Team" which no one actually told me
was a translation exercise until they printed the jerseys (my birthday
was that week and they thought it would be so much cooler to just
surprise me) this is the first time I've had something poetic handed to
me.

This and Mark's "Horizon Riders" both sound pretty good to me. Better
than my best efforts anyways. Collective translation effort with the
help of rec.bicycles.misc ... 🙂

-M

email hidden said:

Diablo Scott said:

Borderline Assmen?

Most Auspicious Priory of the Knights of the Burro?

While I have a feeling that Monty Python would go over pretty well with
some of the group, I'm also thinking that there is no way that would
fit on our jersey sleeves.

I propose a completely different non-translation. Ecurie Tianya. The
term "ecurie", from the French for "stable", has a long history of
usage as part of the name of both motoring and cycling clubs in
English-speaking nations; when so employed, there is no need to
translate or explain the term following.

I will point out that it also has a certain anmount of humorous
history as well; one of the more successful auto racing teams of the
1970s was "Ecurie Escargot", whose translation should be obvious.

Literally, however, one multi-lingual translation would be "the riding
group of the endless horizon", a fitting and appropriate designation.
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