Opinion on My Supplements

Ever considered that it might be the sheer amount of supplements that you
take, are causing your pains?
(Or it may be in the mind?)
If you want info on alt heart disease http://www.dr-rath-foundation.org/
Anth

"KrystalNJeff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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At weight 260 pounds I decided I needed to lose weight and get some

exercise. I

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am a 50 year old man. I have lost 50 pounds and am feeling much better.

But, at

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times, I feel what I believe are..."heart pains". I can not afford either
expensive tests, or a stint or a bypass or any such medical procedure. I

will

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just have to live or die with my condition. And, I have been trying, using
vitamins and supplements, to recover my health.

Here are the vitamins and supplements I take DAILY,

3 grams of Vit C
8,000 IU of Vit A
400 IU of Vit E
100mg of Magnesium
100mg of Selenium
1000 mg of Calcium
3 Fish Oil softgels
2 Tablespoons of Lecithin
CoQ10 softgel for Heart
Alpha Lipoic Acid softgel for Heart

also for vision I take these each day

Primrose
Bilberry
Lutein

and before each meal I take 2 CLA capsules, that totals
2,000 mg CLA

Every other day or so, I take a B1 and a B12 vitamin.

I wonder if I am on a reasonable and sensible approach to recovering my

health

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and strengthening my heart? Are there other things I should be taking? I

also

Quoted message said:

drink about 3 oz of red wine with my meals. My thinking is that I would

like to

Quoted message said:

reduce the plaque buildup in my blood vessels and that this diet and
supplements will allow me to do that.

At weight 260 pounds I decided I needed to lose weight and get some exercise. I
am a 50 year old man. I have lost 50 pounds and am feeling much better. But, at
times, I feel what I believe are..."heart pains". I can not afford either
expensive tests, or a stint or a bypass or any such medical procedure. I will
just have to live or die with my condition. And, I have been trying, using
vitamins and supplements, to recover my health.

Here are the vitamins and supplements I take DAILY,

3 grams of Vit C
8,000 IU of Vit A
400 IU of Vit E
100mg of Magnesium
100mg of Selenium
1000 mg of Calcium
3 Fish Oil softgels
2 Tablespoons of Lecithin
CoQ10 softgel for Heart
Alpha Lipoic Acid softgel for Heart

also for vision I take these each day

Primrose
Bilberry
Lutein

and before each meal I take 2 CLA capsules, that totals
2,000 mg CLA

Every other day or so, I take a B1 and a B12 vitamin.

I wonder if I am on a reasonable and sensible approach to recovering my health
and strengthening my heart? Are there other things I should be taking? I also
drink about 3 oz of red wine with my meals. My thinking is that I would like to
reduce the plaque buildup in my blood vessels and that this diet and
supplements will allow me to do that.

[email hidden] (KrystalNJeff) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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At weight 260 pounds I decided I needed to lose weight and get some exercise. I
am a 50 year old man. I have lost 50 pounds and am feeling much better. But, at
times, I feel what I believe are..."heart pains". I can not afford either
expensive tests, or a stint or a bypass or any such medical procedure. I will
just have to live or die with my condition. And, I have been trying, using
vitamins and supplements, to recover my health.

Here are the vitamins and supplements I take DAILY,

3 grams of Vit C
8,000 IU of Vit A
400 IU of Vit E
100mg of Magnesium
100mg of Selenium
1000 mg of Calcium
3 Fish Oil softgels
2 Tablespoons of Lecithin
CoQ10 softgel for Heart
Alpha Lipoic Acid softgel for Heart

also for vision I take these each day

Primrose
Bilberry
Lutein

and before each meal I take 2 CLA capsules, that totals
2,000 mg CLA

Every other day or so, I take a B1 and a B12 vitamin.

I wonder if I am on a reasonable and sensible approach to recovering my health
and strengthening my heart? Are there other things I should be taking? I also
drink about 3 oz of red wine with my meals. My thinking is that I would like to
reduce the plaque buildup in my blood vessels and that this diet and
supplements will allow me to do that.

I would add a multiple vitamin and mineral supplement, as natural as
possible. I like Preventamins from Murdock. Taking only certain B
vitamins causes a relative deficiency of the others. Also I would
increase the magnesium to 500 mg at least. The Mg/Ca ratio should be
1/2 or 1/1.
For heart pains you might check with a chiropractor for three things:
Standard Process Cardioplus, probably the best all around supplement
for the heart. Contains natural source of B vitamins, natural source
of Co-Q10, and heart tissue extract, which promotes the healing of the
damaged heart and improves its function.
Standard Process Cataplex E2 - a whole food concentrate that helps
with angina.
Get a good chiropractic exam, especially of the upper thoracic spine
and the ribs. Rib subluxations cause far more chest pain than heart
problems.

Ever considered anxiety medication? Chest pains for a man is a classic
symptom.

"William Kotheimer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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[email hidden] (KrystalNJeff) wrote in message

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

At weight 260 pounds I decided I needed to lose weight and get some

exercise. I

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

am a 50 year old man. I have lost 50 pounds and am feeling much better.

But, at

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

times, I feel what I believe are..."heart pains". I can not afford

either

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

expensive tests, or a stint or a bypass or any such medical procedure. I

will

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

just have to live or die with my condition. And, I have been trying,

using

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

vitamins and supplements, to recover my health.

Here are the vitamins and supplements I take DAILY,

3 grams of Vit C
8,000 IU of Vit A
400 IU of Vit E
100mg of Magnesium
100mg of Selenium
1000 mg of Calcium
3 Fish Oil softgels
2 Tablespoons of Lecithin
CoQ10 softgel for Heart
Alpha Lipoic Acid softgel for Heart

also for vision I take these each day

Primrose
Bilberry
Lutein

and before each meal I take 2 CLA capsules, that totals
2,000 mg CLA

Every other day or so, I take a B1 and a B12 vitamin.

I wonder if I am on a reasonable and sensible approach to recovering my

health

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

and strengthening my heart? Are there other things I should be taking? I

also

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

drink about 3 oz of red wine with my meals. My thinking is that I would

like to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

reduce the plaque buildup in my blood vessels and that this diet and
supplements will allow me to do that.

I would add a multiple vitamin and mineral supplement, as natural as
possible. I like Preventamins from Murdock. Taking only certain B
vitamins causes a relative deficiency of the others. Also I would
increase the magnesium to 500 mg at least. The Mg/Ca ratio should be
1/2 or 1/1.
For heart pains you might check with a chiropractor for three things:
Standard Process Cardioplus, probably the best all around supplement
for the heart. Contains natural source of B vitamins, natural source
of Co-Q10, and heart tissue extract, which promotes the healing of the
damaged heart and improves its function.
Standard Process Cataplex E2 - a whole food concentrate that helps
with angina.
Get a good chiropractic exam, especially of the upper thoracic spine
and the ribs. Rib subluxations cause far more chest pain than heart
problems.

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Subject: Re: Opinion on My Supplements
From: "Gymmy Bob" [email hidden]
Date: 5/3/2004 5:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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William Kotheimer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

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Quoted message said:

At weight 260 pounds I decided I needed to lose weight and get some

exercise. I

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

am a 50 year old man. I have lost 50 pounds and am feeling much better.

But, at

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

times, I feel what I believe are..."heart pains". I can not afford

either

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

expensive tests, or a stint or a bypass or any such medical procedure. I

will

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

just have to live or die with my condition. And, I have been trying,

using

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

vitamins and supplements, to recover my health.

Here are the vitamins and supplements I take DAILY,

3 grams of Vit C
8,000 IU of Vit A
400 IU of Vit E
100mg of Magnesium
100mg of Selenium
1000 mg of Calcium
3 Fish Oil softgels
2 Tablespoons of Lecithin
CoQ10 softgel for Heart
Alpha Lipoic Acid softgel for Heart

also for vision I take these each day

Primrose
Bilberry
Lutein

and before each meal I take 2 CLA capsules, that totals
2,000 mg CLA

Every other day or so, I take a B1 and a B12 vitamin.

I wonder if I am on a reasonable and sensible approach to recovering my

health

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

and strengthening my heart? Are there other things I should be taking? I

also

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

drink about 3 oz of red wine with my meals. My thinking is that I would

like to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

reduce the plaque buildup in my blood vessels and that this diet and
supplements will allow me to do that.

I would add a multiple vitamin and mineral supplement, as natural as
possible. I like Preventamins from Murdock. Taking only certain B
vitamins causes a relative deficiency of the others. Also I would
increase the magnesium to 500 mg at least. The Mg/Ca ratio should be
1/2 or 1/1.
For heart pains you might check with a chiropractor for three things:
Standard Process Cardioplus, probably the best all around supplement
for the heart. Contains natural source of B vitamins, natural source
of Co-Q10, and heart tissue extract, which promotes the healing of the
damaged heart and improves its function.
Standard Process Cataplex

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

At weight 260 pounds I decided I needed to lose weight and get some

exercise. I

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

am a 50 year old man. I have lost 50 pounds and am feeling much better.

But, at

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

times, I feel what I believe are..."heart pains". I can not afford

either

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

expensive tests, or a stint or a bypass or any such medical procedure. I

will

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

just have to live or die with my condition. And, I have been trying,

using

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

vitamins and supplements, to recover my health.

Here are the vitamins and supplements I take DAILY,

3 grams of Vit C
8,000 IU of Vit A
400 IU of Vit E
100mg of Magnesium
100mg of Selenium
1000 mg of Calcium
3 Fish Oil softgels
2 Tablespoons of Lecithin
CoQ10 softgel for Heart
Alpha Lipoic Acid softgel for Heart

also for vision I take these each day

Primrose
Bilberry
Lutein

and before each meal I take 2 CLA capsules, that totals
2,000 mg CLA

Every other day or so, I take a B1 and a B12 vitamin.

I wonder if I am on a reasonable and sensible approach to recovering my

health

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

and strengthening my heart? Are there other things I should be taking? I

also

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

drink about 3 oz of red wine with my meals. My thinking is that I would

like to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

reduce the plaque buildup in my blood vessels and that this diet and
supplements will allow me to do that.

I would add a multiple vitamin and mineral supplement, as natural as
possible. I like Preventamins from Murdock. Taking only certain B
vitamins causes a relative deficiency of the others. Also I would
increase the magnesium to 500 mg at least. The Mg/Ca ratio should be
1/2 or 1/1.
For heart pains you might check with a chiropractor for three things:
Standard Process Cardioplus, probably the best all around supplement
for the heart. Contains natural source of B vitamins, natural source
of Co-Q10, and heart tissue extract, which promotes the healing of the
damaged heart and improves its function.
Standard Process Cataplex

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Get a good chiropractic exam, especially of the upper thoracic spine

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and the ribs. Rib subluxations cause far more chest pain than heart

It is this kind of "advice" that gives the alties a bad name

this man is at VERY high risk of heart disease..ie.. 50 years old..male..obese
(the big three)

and admits to what he describes as "heart pains"..

then goes on to list a gazillion "supplements" he is taking cuz he cannot
afford medical care..

and what is the suggestion??

why spend MORE money on chiropractic????

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And, I have been trying,
using

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Quoted message said:

vitamins and supplements, to recover my health.

unfortunately it is unlikely that all the supplements you are taking will help
"recover your health"...esp not plaque in your heart

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I wonder if I am on a reasonable and sensible approach to recovering my
health

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and strengthening my heart?

no...it is NOT reasonable..

what would be...would be to try your damnest to get into to see a REAL
doctor..for REAL cardiac testing...it could save your life....

not sure where you are...but there ARE ways to obtain legitimate medical
care...

good luck

hawki.....

Of angina pectoris and impending or past MI.

Gymmy Bob said:

Ever considered anxiety medication? Chest pains for a man is a classic
symptom.

"William Kotheimer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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[email hidden] (KrystalNJeff) wrote in message

news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

At weight 260 pounds I decided I needed to lose weight and get some

exercise. I

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

am a 50 year old man. I have lost 50 pounds and am feeling much better.

But, at

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

times, I feel what I believe are..."heart pains". I can not afford

either

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

expensive tests, or a stint or a bypass or any such medical procedure. I

will

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

just have to live or die with my condition. And, I have been trying,

using

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

vitamins and supplements, to recover my health.

--

W_B

Take out the G'RBAGE
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First consider an EKG to rule out the possibility of cardiac problems.

"Gymmy Bob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Ever considered anxiety medication? Chest pains for a man is a classic
symptom.

"William Kotheimer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

[email hidden] (KrystalNJeff) wrote in message

news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

At weight 260 pounds I decided I needed to lose weight and get some

exercise. I

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

am a 50 year old man. I have lost 50 pounds and am feeling much

better.

Quoted message said:

But, at

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

times, I feel what I believe are..."heart pains". I can not afford

either

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

expensive tests, or a stint or a bypass or any such medical procedure.

I

Quoted message said:

will

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

just have to live or die with my condition. And, I have been trying,

using

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

vitamins and supplements, to recover my health.

Here are the vitamins and supplements I take DAILY,

3 grams of Vit C
8,000 IU of Vit A
400 IU of Vit E
100mg of Magnesium
100mg of Selenium
1000 mg of Calcium
3 Fish Oil softgels
2 Tablespoons of Lecithin
CoQ10 softgel for Heart
Alpha Lipoic Acid softgel for Heart

also for vision I take these each day

Primrose
Bilberry
Lutein

and before each meal I take 2 CLA capsules, that totals
2,000 mg CLA

Every other day or so, I take a B1 and a B12 vitamin.

I wonder if I am on a reasonable and sensible approach to recovering

my

Quoted message said:

health

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

and strengthening my heart? Are there other things I should be taking?

I

Quoted message said:

also

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

drink about 3 oz of red wine with my meals. My thinking is that I

would

Quoted message said:

like to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

reduce the plaque buildup in my blood vessels and that this diet and
supplements will allow me to do that.

I would add a multiple vitamin and mineral supplement, as natural as
possible. I like Preventamins from Murdock. Taking only certain B
vitamins causes a relative deficiency of the others. Also I would
increase the magnesium to 500 mg at least. The Mg/Ca ratio should be
1/2 or 1/1.
For heart pains you might check with a chiropractor for three things:
Standard Process Cardioplus, probably the best all around supplement
for the heart. Contains natural source of B vitamins, natural source
of Co-Q10, and heart tissue extract, which promotes the healing of the
damaged heart and improves its function.
Standard Process Cataplex E2 - a whole food concentrate that helps
with angina.
Get a good chiropractic exam, especially of the upper thoracic spine
and the ribs. Rib subluxations cause far more chest pain than heart
problems.

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Subject: Re: Opinion on My Supplements
From: "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 4, 2004" M.a.r.kP.r.o.b.e.r.t
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Date: 5/4/2004 5:51 AM Pacific Daylight Time
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First consider an EKG to rule out the possibility of cardiac problems.

actually Mark...that would not be enough...

"resting EKGs" are pretty much useless...except to document rate and
rhythm....AND to determine if significant damage has already occurred..

this guy needs a diagnostic work up..at least a "stress EKG treadmill..or
stress ECHO" to give an idea about coronary artery disease...

the 'heart pains" he describes could well be muscular...but with the other risk
factors...better to be safe than sorry.

hawki.....

"Hawki63" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Subject: Re: Opinion on My Supplements
From: "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 4, 2004" M.a.r.kP.r.o.b.e.r.t
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Date: 5/4/2004 5:51 AM Pacific Daylight Time
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First consider an EKG to rule out the possibility of cardiac problems.

actually Mark...that would not be enough...

Agreed. But I did not want to scare him. Once he sees a RealDoctor, his
needs will be met.

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"resting EKGs" are pretty much useless...except to document rate and
rhythm....AND to determine if significant damage has already occurred..

this guy needs a diagnostic work up..at least a "stress EKG treadmill..or
stress ECHO" to give an idea about coronary artery disease...

the 'heart pains" he describes could well be muscular...but with the other

risk

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factors...better to be safe than sorry.

hawki.....

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Subject: Re: Opinion on My Supplements
From: "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 4, 2004" M.a.r.kP.r.o.b.e.r.t
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Date: 5/4/2004 11:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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Agreed. But I did not want to scare him. Once he sees a RealDoctor, his
needs will be met.

personally I think he "needs" to be a little scared...as he sounded asif he had
no intention of seeing a real doctor...

hawki.....