Only in Florida . . .

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Only in Florida is right!

The winner was part-owner of a recumbent bicycle
manufacturer and wanted to prove that they were as efficient
as "regular" bikes.

HA ... so he "proves" that by winning a ride across the
flattest stretch of road on the planet. I'd like to see him
bring that bike up here to the hill country and we could see
how efficient it is here. Sheesh. I didn't see a picture,
but I'll bet he had a fairing, too.

Bob C.

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What, they don't know the difference between "peddle"
and "pedal"?

-Gerard

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No fairing, but a set of Rotor cranks. . .

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Only in Florida is right!

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prove that they were as efficient as "regular" bikes.

HA ... so he "proves" that by winning a ride across the
flattest stretch

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road on the planet. I'd like to see him bring that bike up
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hill

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country and we could see how efficient it is here. Sheesh.
I didn't see

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picture, but I'll bet he had a fairing, too.

Bob C.

Peddle, me? I have no stake in Bacchetta, I just thought
the article was interesting. Nobody asked me to post. I met
John Schlitter briefly once last year at the Cherry Pie
crit in Napa.

We were both riding the same type of bike, but my large
stomach kept me from breathing well and my beard kept
flying up into my face, so he lapped me a bunch of times.
He's lost a lost of weight in the past year and used to
race as a Cat 2.

I mostly ride uprights, and would like to race with you
normal people, but need to wait until they come up with a
Cat 8 or something. . .

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What, they don't know the difference between "peddle" and
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-Gerard

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Florida is pretty flat, so I can see a recumbent having an
edge. Let them try that anywhere that isn't flat.
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Alex,

They did it in the 30's in Europe (which ain't flat). The
result being that the UCI changed the definition and
dimensions of "bicycle" to prohibit recumbents, otherwise
you'd be riding a different bike today. Something about mass
production and economics. And there's no way this will ever
be settled because the racer wanna bees are raised on DF
bikes. Forget about flat...it's just not a level playing
field in today's competition.

Have fun whatever you ride.

Slow Joe Recumbo

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They did it in the 30's in Europe (which ain't flat). The
result being that the UCI changed the definition and
dimensions of "bicycle" to prohibit recumbents, otherwise
you'd be riding a different bike today. Something about
mass production and economics.

Do you mean like GM is supposed to have stolen mass transit
from US cities, otherwise we'd all being riding trolleys to
work? Do you think the two are linked together? The auto and
the diamond frame bike both propped up by the same evil
corporate conspiracy?

Enough with the 1934 UCI decision bashing, it is
meaningless, and the ultimate "coulda, shoulda, woulda".

The traditional diamond frame upright design has survived
for over 100 years because it is a beautiful, amazing,
trancendent piece of engineering. Recumbents will never,
ever, replace them as the mainstream bike of choice.

I had a choice of a recumbent or an upright to ride to work
today, and I rode the upright because I had to ride thru
thick traffic, and do a lot of accelerations and manuvering
to survive. I live in a town where two DF roadies have been
mowed down and killed and another maimed within the space of
the last two weeks by drunk drivers. The upright is a better
choice for that kind of riding. Period.

The upright bike is also faster than an unfaired bent, if
the DF is in a group of smoothly working riders under ideal
conditions. John Schlitter's win in that race shows more
about his training and heart for winning the race than the
type of bike he was riding.

Where the bent can be a faster machine given equal motors,
is on open road terrain that is flat, rollers, or moderately
downhill with a relatively good road surface.

The thing that DF might racers be interested in is that
intelligent cross-training on a bent significantly increases
the snap in your legs a lot and will give you a competitive
advantage in a sprint situation. It also increases your
pedaling smoothness for some reason, I don't know why. I get
the same result with my fixed gear bike.

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Do you think the two are linked together? The auto and the
diamond frame bike both propped up by the same evil
corporate conspiracy?

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Enough with the 1934 UCI decision bashing, it is
meaningless, and the ultimate "coulda, shoulda, woulda".

My point exactly.

You enjoy what you ride and can understand why somebody else
would enjoy riding something different. Well done.

The whole 'the future was stolen from the recumbent by a
bunch of European bureaucrats' deal struck me as absurd.

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Enough with the 1934 UCI decision bashing, it is
meaningless, and the ultimate "coulda, shoulda, woulda".

The traditional diamond frame upright design has survived
for over 100 years because it is a beautiful, amazing,
trancendent piece of engineering. Recumbents will never,
ever, replace them as the mainstream bike of choice.

I had a choice of a recumbent or an upright to ride to
work today, and I rode the upright because I had to ride
thru thick traffic, and do a lot of accelerations and
manuvering to survive. I live in a town where two DF
roadies have been mowed down and killed and another
maimed within the space of the last two weeks by drunk
drivers. The upright is a better choice for that kind of
riding. Period.

The upright bike is also faster than an unfaired bent, if
the DF is in a group of smoothly working riders under
ideal conditions. John Schlitter's win in that race shows
more about his training and heart for winning the race
than the type of bike he was riding.

Where the bent can be a faster machine given equal motors,
is on open road terrain that is flat, rollers, or
moderately downhill with a relatively good road surface.

The thing that DF might racers be interested in is that
intelligent cross-training on a bent significantly
increases the snap in your legs a lot and will give you
a competitive advantage in a sprint situation. It also
increases your pedaling smoothness for some reason, I
don't know why. I get the same result with my fixed
gear bike.

Good Morning Derek,

Two things:

First, you misunderstood my reply. There was no bashing of
the UCI decision. The point was simply that there was a time
where recumbent racers were consistently besting DF racers
on terrain that wasn't flat. Believe it or not, I'm a
recumbent rider and agree with the UCI decision because the
basis was "....the race should be decided on the
bicyclist....not the bicycle...", if I remember my UCI
cycling history correctly. The other part of that is simply
the UCI decision did change the course of bicycle design and
production and thus mass market appeal. It's not woulda,
coulda shoulda. It's just history.

Second, you're right in just about everything else you say
about the DF bike. What will be interesting is to see what
happens down the line if up and coming fast bicycle racers
decide to give the recumbent 'highracer' design a try.
What's great is that there are all kinds of bike designs for
different situations. Like you, given a choice for city
riding, I'll hop on my SAT R DAY and leave the Strada
hanging in the garage.

Third, for a race, what about a DF bike versus a highracer
with NO PACELINE? You say: "..The upright bike is also
faster than an unfaired bent, if the DF is in a group of
smoothly working riders under ideal conditions." Just for
fun, it would be interesting to see one bike versus another
bike with riders of equal ability and NO PACE LINE. John
Schlitter proved in "A" race that a bent can beat a
DF. Granted, it be only one race. My opinion always has
been that the bent wins on a flat to moderately rolling
course and the DF wins on a hilly or very hilly course.

Tailwinds

Slow Joe Recumbo

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Sorry, I just had to tug your beard!

I'm not a full recumbo....I've only got a stache!!! But hey,
tweaked is tweaked! And at my age I have random thoughts.
Sometimes I actually remember some of them.

Slow Joe

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Sorry, I just had to tug your beard!

I'm not a full recumbo....I've only got a stache!!!

I beg your pardon then, good sir!

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Peddle, me? I have no stake in Bacchetta, I just thought
the article was interesting. Nobody asked me to post. I
met John Schlitter briefly once last year at the Cherry
Pie crit in Napa.

We were both riding the same type of bike, but my large
stomach kept me

from

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breathing well and my beard kept flying up into my face,
so he lapped me a bunch of times. He's lost a lost of
weight in the past year and used to

race

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as a Cat 2.

I mostly ride uprights, and would like to race with you
normal people, but need to wait until they come up with a
Cat 8 or something. . .

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-Gerard