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  1. Hello.

    Please can people post me links to good online cycle shops, and also
    recommend any decent retail outlets as well.

    I am window shopping both exercise bikes and regular cycles.

    If I go for a regular bike, I would use it with a bike trainer at home
    for exercise, but also I would use it in the country, on and off road,
    in hilly areas like the Peak District, North Yorkshire and the Lake
    District. I am not really a big fan of drop down handlebars. I think
    bikes with straight handles look better.

    I don't really want to spend more than about £300. I've not had a
    bike since I was a teenager so I wouldn't know what size would be good
    for me. I am about 174cm in height, around 5'9". My legs are only
    about 30" in length I believe.

    Thanks

    John

  2. On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 00:58:25 +0100, John <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Hi,

    Quoted message said:


    Please can people post me links to good online cycle shops, and also
    recommend any decent retail outlets as well.

    I've seen people recommending www.wiggle.co.uk, though I've not used
    them yet.

    Best wishes,
    --
    ,,
    (**)PeeWiglet~~
    / \ / \ pee AT [guessthisbit].co.uk

  3. "John" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hello.

    Please can people post me links to good online cycle shops, and also
    recommend any decent retail outlets as well.

    I am window shopping both exercise bikes and regular cycles.

    If I go for a regular bike, I would use it with a bike trainer at home
    for exercise, but also I would use it in the country, on and off road,
    in hilly areas like the Peak District, North Yorkshire and the Lake
    District. I am not really a big fan of drop down handlebars. I think
    bikes with straight handles look better.

    I don't really want to spend more than about £300. I've not had a
    bike since I was a teenager so I wouldn't know what size would be good
    for me. I am about 174cm in height, around 5'9". My legs are only
    about 30" in length I believe.

    Thanks

    John

    If you don't know exactly what you are after, my suggestion is to go to
    local bike shops and try out some bikes. That way you can get fitted
    properly, so you get the correct size of bike. If you have the correct size
    of bike then you are more likely to enjoy cycling. For £300 do *not* go for
    a full-suspension mountain bike - at that price the components are made of
    cheese and the bike weigh a ton. Sadly, £300 is at the lower end of the
    price range of bikes these days. This is not to say that you can't get a
    reasonable bike for that price, but it won't include a decent
    full-suspension jobbie. Have a serious think about the sort of doing in the
    main, as that should determine what sort of bike you aim to get. You don't
    need suspension if all you are doing is road + very gentle off-road such as
    towpaths. Much better to get the best quality frame you can afford and
    upgrade with improved quality components as and when. Where do you live? If
    you let us know, there may be people here who can recommend a decent bike
    shop near you.

    Cheers, helen s

  4. In my experience Wiggle are excellent (remember to choose the free
    delivery option though), and also Settle cycles - good prices,
    excellent service & always get items delivered quickly. St John Street
    also good service, but pricey.

    Peewiglet said:

    On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 00:58:25 +0100, John <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Hi,

    Quoted message said:


    Please can people post me links to good online cycle shops, and also
    recommend any decent retail outlets as well.

    I've seen people recommending www.wiggle.co.uk, though I've not used
    them yet.

    Best wishes,
    --
    ,,
    (**)PeeWiglet~~
    / \ / \ pee AT [guessthisbit].co.uk

  5. "Peewiglet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 00:58:25 +0100, John <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Hi,

    Quoted message said:


    Please can people post me links to good online cycle shops, and also
    recommend any decent retail outlets as well.

    I've seen people recommending www.wiggle.co.uk, though I've not used
    them yet.

    Wiggle are excellent. Prompt accurate delivery.

    Cheers, helen s


  6. Quoted message said:

    If you don't know exactly what you are after, my suggestion is to go to
    local bike shops and try out some bikes. That way you can get fitted
    properly, so you get the correct size of bike. If you have the correct size
    of bike then you are more likely to enjoy cycling. For £300 do *not* go for
    a full-suspension mountain bike - at that price the components are made of
    cheese and the bike weigh a ton. Sadly, £300 is at the lower end of the
    price range of bikes these days. This is not to say that you can't get a
    reasonable bike for that price, but it won't include a decent
    full-suspension jobbie. Have a serious think about the sort of doing in the
    main, as that should determine what sort of bike you aim to get. You don't
    need suspension if all you are doing is road + very gentle off-road such as
    towpaths. Much better to get the best quality frame you can afford and
    upgrade with improved quality components as and when. Where do you live? If
    you let us know, there may be people here who can recommend a decent bike
    shop near you.

    Cheers, helen s

    I'm in Huddersfield, West Yorkshire.

    If I wanted to get a full suspension Bike that is quite good, what
    price should I be looking to pay? I think I would probably need full
    suspension as I would do a lot of off road and on hilly/mountainy
    areas.

    John

  7. in message <[email hidden]>, John

    (') said:

    Hello.

    Please can people post me links to good online cycle shops, and also
    recommend any decent retail outlets as well.

    I am window shopping both exercise bikes and regular cycles.

    If I go for a regular bike, I would use it with a bike trainer at home
    for exercise

    /why/?

    [shakes head in sheer incomprehension]

    A stationary bicycle, whether a real bike on a turbo-trainer or an
    'exercise bike' is a completely mindless, boring, pointless waste of
    time. A real bike is the best fun you can have without breaking the law.
    Furthermore, the turbo-trainer is going to cost at least £100, and a
    £400 bike is going to be a much better bike - and thus more fun - than a
    £300 bike.

    Go down to your local bike shops. Explain to them what you want to do.
    Actually try out a few bikes. Get one you like. Ride it.

    Ride it to go to the shops, ride it to go out for a bit of relaxation,
    ride it to go to your mates, ride it to go to work, to the doctors, to
    the pub, to wherever. Ride it. Enjoy it. You won't have to waste time
    doing 'exercise' because you'll get all the exercise you need having
    fun.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    ;; this is not a .sig

  8. in message <[email hidden]>, "wafflycat"

    waffles*A*T*v21net*D*O*T*co*D*O*T*uk ('') said:


    "Peewiglet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 00:58:25 +0100, John <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Hi,

    Quoted message said:


    Please can people post me links to good online cycle shops, and also
    recommend any decent retail outlets as well.

    I've seen people recommending www.wiggle.co.uk, though I've not used
    them yet.

    Wiggle are excellent. Prompt accurate delivery.

    I was minding the shop in my LBS yesterday as the proprietors were away
    watching the final stages of le Tour. A friend came in who'd just bought
    a bike (a good one) from Wiggle. It had stiff links in its chain. If
    he'd bought it from the LBS, getting that sorted would have been
    straightforward, free, and no embarrassment.

    Yes, Wiggle /are/ generally excellent. But if you have a problem with a
    new bike they aren't on hand to sort it.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
    ;; If Python is executable pseudocode,
    ;; then Perl is executable line noise
    -- seen on Slashdot.

  9. A strange species called said:

    In my experience Wiggle are excellent (remember to choose the free
    delivery option though), and also Settle cycles - good prices,
    excellent service & always get items delivered quickly

    This settle cylces. I have looked on their website but find it
    difficult to navigate.

    I have found a section on the left that says "cycling for women", but
    where do I find the part for men? I just want to look at the different
    bikes they have.

    Cheers

    John

  10. "John" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I'm in Huddersfield, West Yorkshire.

    If I wanted to get a full suspension Bike that is quite good, what
    price should I be looking to pay? I think I would probably need full
    suspension as I would do a lot of off road and on hilly/mountainy
    areas.

    Wait for it.........then say very quickly...............onethousandpounds.
    You may get a decent one for a tad less, especially if you buy a previous
    years model.
    However, for a lot less you'll only get a pile of heavy, poorly performing
    unreliable junk. If you can't spring to that sort of money then forget rear
    suspension and, up to a point, avoid disc brakes.
    There is/was a shop in Leeds IIRC called Stif but I can't find a link.They
    go back to the earlier days of UK mtbing and may still be a good bet.

    The link below is to show a typical reasonable quality full suss bike, I'm
    neither recommending the bike nor the store as I have no first hand
    knowledge of either.
    http://www.evanscycles.com/product.jsp?style=5213

    --
    Pete
    http:[email hidden]/P

  11. "Peter B" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "John" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I'm in Huddersfield, West Yorkshire.

    If I wanted to get a full suspension Bike that is quite good, what
    price should I be looking to pay? I think I would probably need full
    suspension as I would do a lot of off road and on hilly/mountainy
    areas.

    Wait for it.........then say very quickly...............onethousandpounds.

    I'm glad it's someone else that came out with that figure first ;-)

    Decent quality full-suspension costs *serious dosh*. Sadly.

    Cheers, helen s

  12. On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 17:23:17 +0000 (UTC), A strange species called

    Peter B said:

    Wait for it.........then say very quickly...............onethousandpounds.

    Looks like I will need to get saving 🙂

    Quoted message said:

    You may get a decent one for a tad less, especially if you buy a previous
    years model.

    I'm not too bothered about getting a previous years model if it costs
    less and does what I want.

    Quoted message said:

    However, for a lot less you'll only get a pile of heavy, poorly performing
    unreliable junk. If you can't spring to that sort of money then forget rear
    suspension and, up to a point, avoid disc brakes.

    Okay.

    Quoted message said:

    There is/was a shop in Leeds IIRC called Stif but I can't find a link.They
    go back to the earlier days of UK mtbing and may still be a good bet.

    I will try and look this company up. I am in Leeds quite a lot as I
    work over there.

    Thanks

    John

  13. I have taken a look at the Wiggle site, and they do seem to have a few
    Full Suspension Mountain Bikes that are a tad less than £1000. I
    think a lot of them seem to be 2005 models as well.

    What do you think to the following bikes:

    Kona Kikapu Bike - 2005
    http://tinyurl.com/aqwny

    Dawes Edge Team FS Bike
    http://tinyurl.com/7ktr9

    Kona Dawg Matic Bike - 2005
    http://tinyurl.com/8f8hc

    Giant Bikes NRS 3 Bike - 05
    http://tinyurl.com/btamk

    Saracen Havoc Bike
    http://tinyurl.com/a6n6f

    Are these any good?

    Thanks

    John

  14. Quoted message said:


    In my experience Wiggle are excellent (remember to choose the free
    delivery option though), and also Settle cycles - good prices,
    excellent service & always get items delivered quickly

    Yes, Settle's speedy service can be excellent.
    Only a day under a month to deliver a TA chainring.

    They have my vote any day.

    John B

  15. in message <[email hidden]>, John

    (') said:
    Quoted message said:

    If you don't know exactly what you are after, my suggestion is to go to
    local bike shops and try out some bikes. That way you can get fitted
    properly, so you get the correct size of bike. If you have the correct
    size of bike then you are more likely to enjoy cycling. For £300 do
    *not* go for a full-suspension mountain bike - at that price the
    components are made of cheese and the bike weigh a ton. Sadly, £300 is
    at the lower end of the price range of bikes these days. This is not to
    say that you can't get a reasonable bike for that price, but it won't
    include a decent full-suspension jobbie. Have a serious think about the
    sort of doing in the main, as that should determine what sort of bike
    you aim to get. You don't need suspension if all you are doing is road
    + very gentle off-road such as towpaths. Much better to get the best
    quality frame you can afford and upgrade with improved quality
    components as and when. Where do you live? If you let us know, there
    may be people here who can recommend a decent bike shop near you.

    I'm in Huddersfield, West Yorkshire.

    If I wanted to get a full suspension Bike that is quite good, what
    price should I be looking to pay?

    £1000. The new Giant Trance series are said to be good starting at less
    than that, but good full suspension bikes are very expensive - there's a
    lot of very high precision engineering in there. Full suspension bikes
    are a lot more complicated to make than hardtails.

    Quoted message said:

    I think I would probably need full
    suspension as I would do a lot of off road and on hilly/mountainy
    areas.

    Full suspension bikes are very nice indeed and do flatter your ability -
    no matter how good you are, you'll go faster over rougher ground with
    full suspension than without. But it comes at a price.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    'there are no solutions, only precipitates'

  16. "Simon Brooke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    £1000. The new Giant Trance series are said to be good starting at less
    than that, but good full suspension bikes are very expensive - there's a
    lot of very high precision engineering in there. Full suspension bikes
    are a lot more complicated to make than hardtails.

    Quoted message said:

    I think I would probably need full
    suspension as I would do a lot of off road and on hilly/mountainy
    areas.

    Full suspension bikes are very nice indeed and do flatter your ability -
    no matter how good you are, you'll go faster over rougher ground with
    full suspension than without. But it comes at a price.


    What do you think of the bikes John put links to? These ones..

    "Kona Kikapu Bike - 2005
    http://tinyurl.com/aqwny

    Dawes Edge Team FS Bike
    http://tinyurl.com/7ktr9

    Kona Dawg Matic Bike - 2005
    http://tinyurl.com/8f8hc

    Giant Bikes NRS 3 Bike - 05
    http://tinyurl.com/btamk

    Saracen Havoc Bike
    http://tinyurl.com/a6n6f

    Are these any good?"

    Cheers, helen s

  17. in message <[email hidden]>, John

    (') said:

    On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 17:23:17 +0000 (UTC), A strange species called

    Peter B said:

    Wait for it.........then say very
    quickly...............onethousandpounds.

    Looks like I will need to get saving 🙂

    Quoted message said:

    You may get a decent one for a tad less, especially if you buy a
    previous years model.

    I'm not too bothered about getting a previous years model if it costs
    less and does what I want.

    Remember that 'next years models' come out from now until early
    September, and that consequently the 'last years model' bargains will
    appear soon.

    If you're interested in a full suspension bike for use in Britain
    (typically wetter and muddier than California) it may be wise to avoid
    models like current Specialized and Scott full suspension bikes which
    have their rear suspension units in the direct line of fire of the mud
    coming off the rear wheel. Both my full suspension bikes suffer from
    this problem. I'm slightly worried about the new Giant Trance, which
    otherwise looks interesting, because the rear suspension unit sits in a
    basket of struts which I can imagine will easily become clogged with mud
    and be quite difficult to clean.

    The other thing to think about is the number of bushes. Some full
    suspension bikes (again, both mine) are single-pivot designs. This is
    very simple and there's very little to go wrong. However, many systems,
    in the interests of reducing 'pedal bob' or of tuning the suspension
    response, have complicated multilink systems with lots of pivots and
    consequently lots of bushes. Those bushes operate in a dirty, hostile
    environment and are going to wear. When they are worn, rear suspension
    performance will deteriorate, and replacing them adds to the servicing
    cost.

    Bikes used off road operate in a much more hostile environment than road
    bikes, while at the same time being mechanically more complex.
    Consequently the maintenance costs are inevitably going to be higher,
    but a simple design with a more protected suspension unit will not cost
    as much to run as a complex design with a more exposed suspension unit.

    A feature which is worth spending money on is a 'stable platform valve'
    which helps damp pedalling induced suspension movement.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    There is/was a shop in Leeds IIRC called Stif but I can't find a
    link.They go back to the earlier days of UK mtbing and may still be a
    good bet.

    I will try and look this company up. I am in Leeds quite a lot as I
    work over there.

    If you're in Yorkshire, you could do well to look at an Orange
    <URL:http://www.orangebikes.co.uk/> - they're designed and made in
    Halifax. The particular model you might look at is the 5
    <URL:http://www.orangebikes.co.uk/2005bikes/bikes.php?bike=five>
    This is a fairly light cross-country bike with a single pivot swing arm
    and a relatively protected suspension unit.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    The Conservative Party now has the support of a smaller proportion of
    the electorate in Scotland than Sinn Fein have in Northern Ireland.

  18. in message <[email hidden]>, John

    (') said:

    I have taken a look at the Wiggle site, and they do seem to have a few
    Full Suspension Mountain Bikes that are a tad less than £1000. I
    think a lot of them seem to be 2005 models as well.

    What do you think to the following bikes:

    Kona Kikapu Bike - 2005
    http://tinyurl.com/aqwny

    Don't know it. Kona are on the whole fairly reliable.

    Quoted message said:

    Dawes Edge Team FS Bike
    http://tinyurl.com/7ktr9

    Good design, very reasonable kit for the money. By using V brakes instead
    of disks they've managed to spend more on the rest of the bike, and it
    definitely benefits. Check the weight.

    Quoted message said:

    Kona Dawg Matic Bike - 2005
    http://tinyurl.com/8f8hc

    Don't know it.

    Quoted message said:


    Giant Bikes NRS 3 Bike - 05
    http://tinyurl.com/btamk

    Not nearly as good as the new Giant Trance models, which start at not too
    much more.

    Quoted message said:


    Saracen Havoc Bike
    http://tinyurl.com/a6n6f

    Over-complex suspension, overweight, insufficiently adjustable. The
    brakes are mechanical disks which are really for wannabes only - they
    have no real advantages over V brakes, but /look/ like the real thing.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    ;; my other religion is Emacs

  19. in message <[email hidden]>, "wafflycat"

    waffles*A*T*v21net*D*O*T*co*D*O*T*uk ('') said:


    "Simon Brooke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    £1000. The new Giant Trance series are said to be good starting at
    less than that, but good full suspension bikes are very expensive -
    there's a lot of very high precision engineering in there. Full
    suspension bikes are a lot more complicated to make than hardtails.

    Quoted message said:

    I think I would probably need full
    suspension as I would do a lot of off road and on hilly/mountainy
    areas.

    Full suspension bikes are very nice indeed and do flatter your ability
    - no matter how good you are, you'll go faster over rougher ground
    with full suspension than without. But it comes at a price.


    What do you think of the bikes John put links to? These ones..

    "Kona Kikapu Bike - 2005
    http://tinyurl.com/aqwny

    Dawes Edge Team FS Bike
    http://tinyurl.com/7ktr9

    Kona Dawg Matic Bike - 2005
    http://tinyurl.com/8f8hc

    Giant Bikes NRS 3 Bike - 05
    http://tinyurl.com/btamk

    Saracen Havoc Bike
    http://tinyurl.com/a6n6f

    I've commented in a separate post. Of the lot, I'd choose the Dawes, but
    I'd have a good look at the base model Giant Trance before I did.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    ;; when in the [censored], the wise man plants courgettes

  20. Simon Brooke said:


    The other thing to think about is the number of bushes. Some full
    suspension bikes (again, both mine) are single-pivot designs. This is
    very simple and there's very little to go wrong. However, many systems,
    in the interests of reducing 'pedal bob' or of tuning the suspension
    response, have complicated multilink systems with lots of pivots and
    consequently lots of bushes.

    Just go for a single pivot and a 5th Element shock to all but eliminate
    pedal bob.

    --
    Tony

    "I did make a mistake once - I thought I'd made a mistake but I hadn't"
    Anon

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