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  1. My wife and I are embarking on a self-supported, 4 day, 'credit card' tour
    in a month or so, and I'm working out the baggage requirements. While we
    could potentially squeeze by with a handlebar bag and rack trunk each, I'm
    considereing leveraging the one set of panniers I own, of which we could
    each take one. The question is - is this a bad idea? Are we going to
    encounter imbalances, shimmies, and other nasty resonances with one lightly
    loaded pannier? An additional concern is that we'll be touring in the
    Napa/Sonoma/Coast region and are therefore likely to encounter some
    seriously twisty descents. As New Englanders, we can handle hills, but the
    twists and turns we just don't have up here.

    I suppose we could simply take turns lugging both paniers (my wife is a
    stronger rider than I, so no quips about chivalry).

    As an alternative, I'm thinking of investing in one of those rack trunks
    with collapsible 'mini panniers'.

    Thanks,

    Kyle

  2. Kyle.B.H said:

    My wife and I are embarking on a self-supported, 4 day, 'credit card' tour
    in a month or so, and I'm working out the baggage requirements. While we
    could potentially squeeze by with a handlebar bag and rack trunk each, I'm
    considereing leveraging the one set of panniers I own, of which we could
    each take one. The question is - is this a bad idea? Are we going to
    encounter imbalances, shimmies, and other nasty resonances with one lightly
    loaded pannier?

    I sometimes use a single pannier and have never even been able to notice
    the difference. Unless you're planning on carrying gold ingots or
    something similarly heavy I wouldn't worry about it.

    An additional concern is that we'll be touring in the

    Quoted message said:

    Napa/Sonoma/Coast region and are therefore likely to encounter some
    seriously twisty descents. As New Englanders, we can handle hills, but the
    twists and turns we just don't have up here.

    I seem to remember some pretty decent twisting roads in New England when
    we lived on the right coast and didn't need to make any fundamental
    adjustments when we moved to the left one. Some of the hills are
    longer here but the grades are generally reasonable. The Napa and
    Sonoma valley areas let you choose how many hills you want to tackle
    since there are ways around many of the major ones.

  3. I used to ride with one pannier sometimes when commuting and didn't
    notice any problems.

    JT

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  4. Kyle.B.H said:

    My wife and I are embarking on a self-supported, 4 day, 'credit card' tour
    in a month or so, and I'm working out the baggage requirements. While we
    could potentially squeeze by with a handlebar bag and rack trunk each, I'm
    considereing leveraging the one set of panniers I own, of which we could
    each take one. The question is - is this a bad idea? Are we going to
    encounter imbalances, shimmies, and other nasty resonances with one lightly
    loaded pannier? An additional concern is that we'll be touring in the
    Napa/Sonoma/Coast region and are therefore likely to encounter some
    seriously twisty descents. As New Englanders, we can handle hills, but the
    twists and turns we just don't have up here.

    I suppose we could simply take turns lugging both paniers (my wife is a
    stronger rider than I, so no quips about chivalry).

    As an alternative, I'm thinking of investing in one of those rack trunks
    with collapsible 'mini panniers'.

    Thanks,

    Kyle


    Used to carry a single pannier with anywhere from 10 - 40 lbs of paper
    inside (I was a bike courier), and never noticed the offset until it
    hit around 30 lbs. Even then, it was fine at speed, just slow corners
    got a bit twitchy.

    -Maggie

  5. I've ridden with a single pannier with no balance problems, although I
    didn't keep track of weight.

    Instead of a rack trunk I'd suggest a big seat bag- Carradice and
    Rivendell/Baggins are really nice.
    --
    mark

  6. Kyle.B.H said:

    My wife and I are embarking on a self-supported, 4 day, 'credit card' tour
    in a month or so, and I'm working out the baggage requirements. While we
    could potentially squeeze by with a handlebar bag and rack trunk each, I'm
    considereing leveraging the one set of panniers I own, of which we could
    each take one. The question is - is this a bad idea? Are we going to
    encounter imbalances, shimmies, and other nasty resonances with one lightly
    loaded pannier? An additional concern is that we'll be touring in the
    Napa/Sonoma/Coast region and are therefore likely to encounter some
    seriously twisty descents. As New Englanders, we can handle hills, but the
    twists and turns we just don't have up here.

    I suppose we could simply take turns lugging both paniers (my wife is a
    stronger rider than I, so no quips about chivalry).

    As an alternative, I'm thinking of investing in one of those rack trunks
    with collapsible 'mini panniers'.


    I have ridden quite a bit with one pannier too. The only time I notice any
    imbalance is when I get off the bike with the pannier really loaded. Under
    those conditions the bike wants to sort of fall over and turn to the side
    away from the pannier.

    Arkel sells a pannier designed to be used only on one side. They have a
    page of testimonials here:

    http://tinyurl.com/3s6sn

    If you follow one of the links at the bottom of this page:

    http://tinyurl.com/6dpnl

    They talk a little bit about the balance issue.

  7. In article <uw9Vc.154444$8_6.31270@attbi_s04>, "Kyle.B.H" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    My wife and I are embarking on a self-supported, 4 day, 'credit card' tour
    in a month or so, and I'm working out the baggage requirements. While we
    could potentially squeeze by with a handlebar bag and rack trunk each, I'm
    considereing leveraging the one set of panniers I own, of which we could
    each take one. The question is - is this a bad idea? Are we going to
    encounter imbalances, shimmies, and other nasty resonances with one lightly
    loaded pannier?

    I split a pair of panniers between my two commuting bikes. I've never had a
    problem with unbalanced loads. I have even carried an auto starter in a
    pannier and had no trouble riding. I was pretty careful but it didn't take a
    serious effort to adapt.

    Tom Gibb <[email hidden]>

  8. Kyle.B.H said:

    My wife and I are embarking on a self-supported, 4 day, 'credit card' tour
    in a month or so, and I'm working out the baggage requirements. While we
    could potentially squeeze by with a handlebar bag and rack trunk each, I'm
    considereing leveraging the one set of panniers I own, of which we could
    each take one. The question is - is this a bad idea?

    No, I do it all the time for commuting. It doesn't appear to affect
    handling at all.

  9. "Kyle.B.H" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:uw9Vc.154444$8_6.31270@attbi_s04...

    Quoted message said:

    My wife and I are embarking on a self-supported, 4 day, 'credit card' tour
    in a month or so, and I'm working out the baggage requirements. While we
    could potentially squeeze by with a handlebar bag and rack trunk each, I'm
    considereing leveraging the one set of panniers I own, of which we could
    each take one. The question is - is this a bad idea? Are we going to
    encounter imbalances, shimmies, and other nasty resonances with one


    lightly

    Quoted message said:

    loaded pannier? An additional concern is that we'll be touring in the
    Napa/Sonoma/Coast region and are therefore likely to encounter some
    seriously twisty descents. As New Englanders, we can handle hills, but


    the

    Quoted message said:

    twists and turns we just don't have up here.

    I suppose we could simply take turns lugging both paniers (my wife is a
    stronger rider than I, so no quips about chivalry).

    As an alternative, I'm thinking of investing in one of those rack trunks
    with collapsible 'mini panniers'.

    Thanks,

    Kyle

    One of the things I like about touring is the chance to shift the weight
    around between riders depending who is feeling stronger that day. Oh, and
    the one that carries the panniers gets an extra icecream.

    Hugh Fenton

  10. "Jim Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Kyle.B.H said:

    My wife and I are embarking on a self-supported, 4 day, 'credit card'


    tour

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    in a month or so, and I'm working out the baggage requirements. While


    we

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    could potentially squeeze by with a handlebar bag and rack trunk each,


    I'm

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    considereing leveraging the one set of panniers I own, of which we could
    each take one. The question is - is this a bad idea? Are we going to
    encounter imbalances, shimmies, and other nasty resonances with one


    lightly

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    loaded pannier? An additional concern is that we'll be touring in the
    Napa/Sonoma/Coast region and are therefore likely to encounter some
    seriously twisty descents. As New Englanders, we can handle hills, but


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    twists and turns we just don't have up here.

    I suppose we could simply take turns lugging both paniers (my wife is a
    stronger rider than I, so no quips about chivalry).

    As an alternative, I'm thinking of investing in one of those rack trunks
    with collapsible 'mini panniers'.


    I have ridden quite a bit with one pannier too. The only time I notice


    any

    Quoted message said:

    imbalance is when I get off the bike with the pannier really loaded. Under
    those conditions the bike wants to sort of fall over and turn to the side
    away from the pannier.

    Arkel sells a pannier designed to be used only on one side. They have a
    page of testimonials here:

    http://tinyurl.com/3s6sn

    If you follow one of the links at the bottom of this page:

    http://tinyurl.com/6dpnl

    They talk a little bit about the balance issue.

    Thanks for the links. Why do they advise to always place the single pannier
    on the road (left) side?

    Kyle

  11. "Kyle.B.H" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<uw9Vc.154444$8_6.31270@attbi_s04>...

    Quoted message said:

    My wife and I are embarking on a self-supported, 4 day, 'credit card' tour
    in a month or so, and I'm working out the baggage requirements. While we
    could potentially squeeze by with a handlebar bag and rack trunk each, I'm
    considereing leveraging the one set of panniers I own, of which we could
    each take one. The question is - is this a bad idea? Are we going to
    encounter imbalances, shimmies, and other nasty resonances with one lightly
    loaded pannier? An additional concern is that we'll be touring in the
    Napa/Sonoma/Coast region and are therefore likely to encounter some
    seriously twisty descents. As New Englanders, we can handle hills, but the
    twists and turns we just don't have up here.

    I've carried a heavy car battery in a single pannier and not had any
    problems riding with it. Handling the bike loaded like this while
    dismounted needed a bit of care though. Beyond a certain angle of lean
    it became a handful.

    --
    Dave...

  12. Kyle.B.H wrote in message ...

    Quoted message said:

    My wife and I are embarking on a self-supported, 4 day, 'credit card' tour
    in a month or so, and I'm working out the baggage requirements. While we
    could potentially squeeze by with a handlebar bag and rack trunk each, I'm
    considereing leveraging the one set of panniers I own, of which we could
    each take one. The question is - is this a bad idea? Are we going to
    encounter imbalances, shimmies, and other nasty resonances with one lightly
    loaded pannier? An additional concern is that we'll be touring in the
    Napa/Sonoma/Coast region and are therefore likely to encounter some
    seriously twisty descents. As New Englanders, we can handle hills, but the
    twists and turns we just don't have up here.

    I suppose we could simply take turns lugging both paniers (my wife is a
    stronger rider than I, so no quips about chivalry).

    As an alternative, I'm thinking of investing in one of those rack trunks
    with collapsible 'mini panniers'.

    Saddlebags. No need for racks.

    Trevor

  13. Kyle.B.H wrote in message ...

    Quoted message said:


    Thanks for the links. Why do they advise to always place the single


    pannier

    Quoted message said:

    on the road (left) side?

    Bike is already heavier on right because of transmission system.

    Trevor

  14. Trevor Jeffrey said:

    Kyle.B.H wrote in message ...

    Quoted message said:

    Thanks for the links. Why do they advise to always place the single

    pannier

    Quoted message said:

    on the road (left) side?

    Bike is already heavier on right because of transmission system.

    I don't think the weight is significant, but I usually put a single
    pannier on the left since:
    - cars give me more room if the bag sticks out some on the left
    - the pannier is less likely to rub against high curbs, bushes, etc.
    - may not need to remove pannier when changing rear tire
    - on one of my bikes the pannier on the right pushes on the derailer
    cable interfering slightly with the shift adjustment.

  15. On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 22:07:22 GMT, "Kyle.B.H" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    I had a problem with one pannier once. It was on the left side, full
    of cans and goods from the grocery store. A lunch time run. The
    entrance to work is on a hill. I rode up to the door, with the left
    side to the downhill, unclipped from the right pedal- typical for me-
    and the bike tipped to the left. Hard, fast- no time to unclip from
    that pedal and I took a tumble.

    A combination of an unusual position, more weight than I hardly ever
    put on one side, and a mental lapse. Other than this warning- pay
    attention to the weight distribution when you stop- I've never had a
    problem.

  16. In article <jZkVc.290750$%_6.96532@attbi_s01>, "Kyle.B.H" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Thanks for the links. Why do they advise to always place the single pannier
    on the road (left) side?

    Who's "they?" I like to have the pannier on the right side, it might protect
    the rear derailleur in a fall.

    Tom Gibb <[email hidden]>

  17. In article uw9Vc.154444$8_6.31270@attbi_s04 said:

    considereing leveraging the one set of panniers I own, of which we could
    each take one. The question is - is this a bad idea? Are we going to
    encounter imbalances, shimmies, and other nasty resonances with one lightly
    loaded pannier?

    Lightly loaded is fine. A single pannier is only a nuisance with a very
    heavy load.
    --
    David Damerell <[email hidden]> Distortion Field!

  18. Dave Kahn wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    "Kyle.B.H" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    news:<uw9Vc.154444$8_6.31270@attbi_s04>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    My wife and I are embarking on a self-supported, 4 day, 'credit card'


    tour

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    in a month or so, and I'm working out the baggage requirements. While we
    could potentially squeeze by with a handlebar bag and rack trunk each,


    I'm

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    considereing leveraging the one set of panniers I own, of which we could
    each take one. The question is - is this a bad idea? Are we going to
    encounter imbalances, shimmies, and other nasty resonances with one


    lightly

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    loaded pannier? An additional concern is that we'll be touring in the
    Napa/Sonoma/Coast region and are therefore likely to encounter some
    seriously twisty descents. As New Englanders, we can handle hills, but


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    twists and turns we just don't have up here.

    I've carried a heavy car battery in a single pannier and not had any
    problems riding with it. Handling the bike loaded like this while
    dismounted needed a bit of care though. Beyond a certain angle of lean
    it became a handful.

    In what way?

    Trevor

  19. "Trevor Jeffrey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Dave Kahn wrote in message

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I've carried a heavy car battery in a single pannier and not had any
    problems riding with it. Handling the bike loaded like this while
    dismounted needed a bit of care though. Beyond a certain angle of lean
    it became a handful.

    In what way?

    It wanted to fall over and took a lot of strength to restrain. This is
    handling the bike while dismounted remember. There was no such problem
    when actually riding.

    --
    Dave...

  20. Dave Kahn wrote in message
    <[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    "Trevor Jeffrey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Dave Kahn wrote in message

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I've carried a heavy car battery in a single pannier and not had any
    problems riding with it. Handling the bike loaded like this while
    dismounted needed a bit of care though. Beyond a certain angle of lean
    it became a handful.

    In what way?

    It wanted to fall over and took a lot of strength to restrain. This is
    handling the bike while dismounted remember. There was no such problem
    when actually riding.


    I wondered with such a heavy battery, how the rear wheel responded during
    riding.

    Trevor

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