One can only wonder...

Arne:

There's a division in the country, and it may be unrealistic to expect it
not to show up in a Usenet group like this. However, it seems to be
confined to certain threads that are clearly off topic. I'm open to keeping
it off entirely, but suspect that the attempt would be like keeping slavery
out of the conversation in the 1860s. It'd work for awhile, but would
eventually begin to strike people as somewhat unnatural. As for "bitter,"
I'm bitter that we now have totalitarian terrorism and that, through people
like Michael Moore, they've found a few cuts or skin breaks to insinuate a
bit of their infection into our culture... but those are the same weaknesses
that the pro-slavery folks exploited in that earlier episode, and that the
Nazis exploited in 1930s France. We've got a flaw. Maybe it's partly me.
Hopefully it's not a fatal one.

Anyway, this weekend was a big victory for the good guys. Ultimately I hope
you're well, and that the worst these events do to you is drive you to a
little drink now and then. Let me know if you're in the area and we can
have a falafel at the Mediterranean Bakery and Cafe in Alexandria.

--
--Scott
"Arne" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I visit here rarely. I read in disbelief the notes being posted. This news
group used to be a decent source of information. It has now become a
battleground of hate-mongers.

I notice many of the former intelligent sources have left. Now, it mostly
contains lowest common denominator types, slopping around in their
personal
offal....

Any new visitor would probably read the posts wondering if these
were the nice recumbent riders they have been hearing about.. they would
be
sorely disappointed.

You have become a shameless, bitter bunch.
.
Arne, USA
.

"Arne" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I visit here rarely. I read in disbelief the notes being posted. This news
group used to be a decent source of information. It has now become a
battleground of hate-mongers.

I notice many of the former intelligent sources have left. Now, it mostly
contains lowest common denominator types, slopping around in their
personal
offal....

Any new visitor would probably read the posts wondering if these
were the nice recumbent riders they have been hearing about.. they would
be
sorely disappointed.

You have become a shameless, bitter bunch.
.
Arne, USA

Arne, if you want recumbent bicycle information go to a moderated forum
where dipshits like Ed Gin are excluded. Another good source is the Internet
itself. You should also be subscribing to RCN. All newsgroups are worthless
for news and information. They are full of idiots and scoundrels. Since that
is the case, I have decided to join them. You should leave this group
permanently if you value your sanity.

Since no one on this group gives a damn about what Ed Gin is doing, it will
be my pleasure to destroy this group as best I can. Then it will be good
riddance to the lot of us. Mr. Sherman will have to find another group to be
aloof in.

My best advice to all - go to the BROL forum for heaven's sakes!

--
Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

"Freewheeling" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Arne:

There's a division in the country, and it may be unrealistic to expect it
not to show up in a Usenet group like this. However, it seems to be
confined to certain threads that are clearly off topic. ...

Scott, it was not off topic posts that set this thing off. It was this damn
fool idiot Ed Gin with his obnoxious spam interleaved on every post that is
wholly responsible for the present predicament. We can have off topic to our
heart's content provided we behave like gentlemen, but a single [censored] by
the name of Ed Gin is totally responsible for what is presently transpiring.

I did take note that you were one of the few who objected to his spam, but
you were virtually the only one. Mr. Sherman was out to lunch as usual like
all g.d. liberals are. Do not confuse off topic with the inane, insane spam
by Ed Gin. They are two separate things entirely.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

Sorry, I thought Arne was talking about the off topic stuff. I've just
killfiled all of Ed Gin's (or whoever's) spam. I don't even see it until he
comes up with a new pseudonym, which takes about 10 seconds to kill.

Someone (whom I won't name) a long time ago on the HPV Listserve told me
that Ed Gin was thought to sometimes post under an assumed name in order to
stir up trouble against one of his antagonists, but that he won't do it
under his own name because he's "politik." This was someone who's integrity
is beyond reproach, which doesn't mean that he necessarily knows anything
about Ed Gin's posting habits. He was clear he was simply repeating what
others had told him. For my part, I've never had a problem with Ed Gin, and
he posted some interesting figures awhile ago about tire rolling resistance
tests. But the stuff about the noCom is just plain whacky. I mean, even if
it's fast... it's just a damn bicycle. (Not that you should take me
seriously about the "damn bicycle" sentiment.)

--
--Scott
"Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

"Freewheeling" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Arne:

There's a division in the country, and it may be unrealistic to expect it
not to show up in a Usenet group like this. However, it seems to be
confined to certain threads that are clearly off topic. ...

Scott, it was not off topic posts that set this thing off. It was this
damn fool idiot Ed Gin with his obnoxious spam interleaved on every post
that is wholly responsible for the present predicament. We can have off
topic to our heart's content provided we behave like gentlemen, but a
single [censored] by the name of Ed Gin is totally responsible for what is
presently transpiring.

I did take note that you were one of the few who objected to his spam, but
you were virtually the only one. Mr. Sherman was out to lunch as usual
like all g.d. liberals are. Do not confuse off topic with the inane,
insane spam by Ed Gin. They are two separate things entirely.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

Ed:

Trolls really can't be defeated on usenet. They have the upper hand so the
way to deal with them is with some humor. (Unlike this noCom spamming, ARBR
has been attacked by real trolls, back in 2000 I think. This is nuthin'.)
They sort of live to get a rise out of you, so reacting just gratifies them.
You really don't need to post autoresponses to everything they post, because
I don't even see 95% of them. I just see your responses all over the place.
OK we get it. The noCom spammer is Ed Gin, of the Chicago-area Ed Gins. At
least, Ed Gin hasn't shown up to deny it, so it *must* be true. You can
relax a bit, huh?

--
--Scott
"Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"Freewheeling" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Arne:

There's a division in the country, and it may be unrealistic to expect it
not to show up in a Usenet group like this. However, it seems to be
confined to certain threads that are clearly off topic. ...

Scott, it was not off topic posts that set this thing off. It was this
damn fool idiot Ed Gin with his obnoxious spam interleaved on every post
that is wholly responsible for the present predicament. We can have off
topic to our heart's content provided we behave like gentlemen, but a
single [censored] by the name of Ed Gin is totally responsible for what is
presently transpiring.

I did take note that you were one of the few who objected to his spam, but
you were virtually the only one. Mr. Sherman was out to lunch as usual
like all g.d. liberals are. Do not confuse off topic with the inane,
insane spam by Ed Gin. They are two separate things entirely.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

Freewheeling said:

Arne:

There's a division in the country, and it may be unrealistic to expect it
not to show up in a Usenet group like this. However, it seems to be
confined to certain threads that are clearly off topic. I'm open to keeping
it off entirely...

So why do you bring it up in this thread? Are you deliberately trying to
annoy those who disagree with you? If you think you will change
someone's opinion, you have a misconception of Usenet psychology. Just
ask Mikey V how many people he has turned against mountain biking. Give
it a rest.

, but suspect that the attempt would be like keeping slavery

Quoted message said:

out of the conversation in the 1860s. It'd work for awhile, but would
eventually begin to strike people as somewhat unnatural. As for "bitter,"
I'm bitter that we now have totalitarian terrorism and that, through people
like Michael Moore, they've found a few cuts or skin breaks to insinuate a
bit of their infection into our culture... but those are the same weaknesses
that the pro-slavery folks exploited in that earlier episode, and that the
Nazis exploited in 1930s France. We've got a flaw. Maybe it's partly me.
Hopefully it's not a fatal one.

Anyway, this weekend was a big victory for the good guys....

[ Y Y AA W W W N N ]
[ Y Y A A W W W NN N ]
[ Y Y A A W W W W N N N ]
[ Y AAAAAAAA W W W W N N N ]
[ Y A A W W W W N NN ]
[ Y A A W W N N ]

--
Tom Sherman - Earth

Scott, I still remember that falafel.... fond memories.... And, I certainly
hope to get to DC again.
..
Arne, USA
..
"Freewheeling" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Arne:

Anyway, this weekend was a big victory for the good guys. Ultimately I
hope you're well, and that the worst these events do to you is drive you
to a little drink now and then. Let me know if you're in the area and we
can have a falafel at the Mediterranean Bakery and Cafe in Alexandria.

"Freewheeling" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Ed:

Trolls really can't be defeated on usenet. They have the upper hand so
the way to deal with them is with some humor. (Unlike this noCom
spamming, ARBR has been attacked by real trolls, back in 2000 I think.
This is nuthin'.) They sort of live to get a rise out of you, so reacting
just gratifies them. You really don't need to post autoresponses to
everything they post, because I don't even see 95% of them. I just see
your responses all over the place. OK we get it. The noCom spammer is Ed
Gin, of the Chicago-area Ed Gins. At least, Ed Gin hasn't shown up to
deny it, so it *must* be true. You can relax a bit, huh?

Scott, I am relaxed and I have no intention of responding to his every
idiocy. However, I will post new messages from time to time telling the
world what I think of him in no uncertain words. [censored] like him should
not be allowed to pass without objection. However, you make a good point for
a kill file I must admit. I may resort to it myself in this very special
case.

What is an autoresponse?

--
Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

Quoted message said:

"Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"Freewheeling" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Arne:

There's a division in the country, and it may be unrealistic to expect
it not to show up in a Usenet group like this. However, it seems to be
confined to certain threads that are clearly off topic. ...

Scott, it was not off topic posts that set this thing off. It was this
damn fool idiot Ed Gin with his obnoxious spam interleaved on every post
that is wholly responsible for the present predicament. We can have off
topic to our heart's content provided we behave like gentlemen, but a
single [censored] by the name of Ed Gin is totally responsible for what is
presently transpiring.

I did take note that you were one of the few who objected to his spam,
but you were virtually the only one. Mr. Sherman was out to lunch as
usual like all g.d. liberals are. Do not confuse off topic with the
inane, insane spam by Ed Gin. They are two separate things entirely.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

Edward Dolan said:

...
Since no one on this group gives a damn about what Ed Gin is doing, it will
be my pleasure to destroy this group as best I can. Then it will be good
riddance to the lot of us. Mr. Sherman will have to find another group to be
aloof in....

Through October 31, 2004, I was in 5th place overall for the year on
rec.bicycles.tech, a mere 5 posts behind Jobst Brandt. See
<http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.tech/msg/b1f29c9fa9dfe14f?dmode=source>.

--
Tom Sherman - Earth

"Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Edward Dolan said:

...
Since no one on this group gives a damn about what Ed Gin is doing, it
will be my pleasure to destroy this group as best I can. Then it will be
good riddance to the lot of us. Mr. Sherman will have to find another
group to be aloof in....

Through October 31, 2004, I was in 5th place overall for the year on
rec.bicycles.tech, a mere 5 posts behind Jobst Brandt. See
<http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.tech/msg/b1f29c9fa9dfe14f?dmode=source>.

God help me if I ever end up on something as boring as rec.bicycles.tech.
But that is the perfect newsgroup for you as you are nothing if not a
techie. You should perhaps confine your Usenet activities to that group
since you are mostly just into nuts and bolts anyway. Why bore those of us
here on ARBR with your technical jargon which no one understands anyway.

Another group for you to consider would be a moderated forum like BROL.
There you could stay on topic and your technical advice would be appreciated
because you would be answering specific questions that were being asked.

As a result of Ed Gin, I have changed my mind about moderated boards. I am
now 100% in favor of them. Usenet groups are just for slumming as Ed Gin has
proven. But then you already knew this, didn't you. Maybe that is what you
are doing here too - just slumming with the rest of us. But you are a
slummer with a holier than thou attitude. Ed Gin is more honest than you. He
does not pretend to be anything but the jackass that he is.

--
Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

"Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Freewheeling said:

Arne:

There's a division in the country, and it may be unrealistic to expect it
not to show up in a Usenet group like this. However, it seems to be
confined to certain threads that are clearly off topic. I'm open to
keeping it off entirely...

So why do you bring it up in this thread? Are you deliberately trying to
annoy those who disagree with you? If you think you will change someone's
opinion, you have a misconception of Usenet psychology. Just ask Mikey V
how many people he has turned against mountain biking. Give it a rest.

Well, I'm not in the uncomfortable position of having proscribed certain
responses, or engaging in self-censorship. This thread is clearly about
"off topic" threads in general... so it would seem pretty natural to discuss
the content of those off topic threads. But thanks for providing the
perspective of the thought police.

Quoted message said:

, but suspect that the attempt would be like keeping slavery

Quoted message said:

out of the conversation in the 1860s. It'd work for awhile, but would
eventually begin to strike people as somewhat unnatural. As for
"bitter," I'm bitter that we now have totalitarian terrorism and that,
through people like Michael Moore, they've found a few cuts or skin
breaks to insinuate a bit of their infection into our culture... but
those are the same weaknesses that the pro-slavery folks exploited in
that earlier episode, and that the Nazis exploited in 1930s France.
We've got a flaw. Maybe it's partly me. Hopefully it's not a fatal one.

Anyway, this weekend was a big victory for the good guys....

[ Y Y AA W W W N N ]
[ Y Y A A W W W NN N ]
[ Y Y A A W W W W N N N ]
[ Y AAAAAAAA W W W W N N N ]
[ Y A A W W W W N NN ]
[ Y A A W W N N ]

Thanks. You define passive aggression, which were it not for the occasional
object lesson is sometimes a difficult concept to illustrate.

But strictly speaking no one asked you.

Quoted message said:

--
Tom Sherman - Earth

"Freewheeling" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Freewheeling wrote:

[...]

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Quoted message said:

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Anyway, this weekend [Iraqi election] was a big victory for the good
guys....

[ Y Y AA W W W N N ]
[ Y Y A A W W W NN N ]
[ Y Y A A W W W W N N N ]
[ Y AAAAAAAA W W W W N N N ]
[ Y A A W W W W N NN ]
[ Y A A W W N N ]

Thanks. You define passive aggression, which were it not for the
occasional object lesson is sometimes a difficult concept to illustrate.

But strictly speaking no one asked you.

Perfect Scott! I have often wondered how to respond to that kind of [censored] and
you have hit the nail on the head. Passive aggression! Something that women
are into big time, but not really appropriate for a man I think. I will know
what to add to your diagnosis the next time he pulls that [censored] on me. It is
like Harry Truman said - if you can't stand the heat, then stay out of the
kitchen.

--
Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota