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  1. Today I are been mainly riding off road. Since I got my new road bike I'd changed my old mtb back to
    an off road bike by taking off the rack and full mudguards, refitting the 2" knobblies that were on
    it when I bought it but hadn't seen a single day's use since and putting some crud catchers on.
    Today I went riding with a group in the Surrey hills (Leith/Holmbury hill area). I had to travel
    through sarf London to do it - normally I don't do sarf London as it is a dark and mysterious place
    that takes a long time to get to and even longer to travel through it, and even the tube hardly
    bothers to go there, which is not surprising as it is a dark and mysterious place (I can't think why
    anybody would want to live there either, but it seems a lot of people do). But anyway it was worth
    it. I don't normally do off road either, the local canal towpath being the only off road I have done
    in the past, which doesn't offer much either in the way of workout or adrenalin, but today, hey,
    wow! Road riding is just hard work - the most 'fun' you can have is to go further faster, but you
    really have to work at it to do that which takes a lot of the fun out of it. At least, there's not a
    lot of adrenalin in it, and you're knackered afterwards even if you have gone a long way quickly.
    Off road, with a little bit of peddling uphill, which isn't really much effort (at least not
    compared to sustained fast road riding), you can start screaming down slippery-sliddy scary muddy
    single track at insane speeds through the trees, and really get the adrenalin flowing! And you don't
    have to go very far or use a lot of energy to do it. Help! I think I'm hooked!

    Rich

  2. Richard Goodman wrote: Road riding is just hard work - the most

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    'fun' you can have is to go further faster, but you really have to work at it to do that which
    takes a lot of the fun out of it.

    You don't have to. It is permitted to pootle and enjoy the scenery you know.

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    Off road, with a little bit of peddling uphill, which isn't really much effort (at least not
    compared to sustained fast road riding), you can start screaming down slippery-sliddy scary muddy
    single track at insane speeds through the trees, and really get the adrenalin flowing! And you
    don't have to go very far or use a lot of energy to do it.

    That sounds like the off road equivalent of a pootle. There are some hills that can take a lot of
    effort and technical skill to climb and there are those that just require a little bit of pedalling

    Tony

  3. What is 'fun' ?

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  4. "Tony Raven" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Richard Goodman wrote: Road riding is just hard work - the most

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    'fun' you can have is to go further faster, but you really have to work


    at

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    it to do that which takes a lot of the fun out of it.

    You don't have to. It is permitted to pootle and enjoy the scenery you


    know.

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    Ah, but pootling is something I also generally don't do. I think I might be a competitive
    personality type or something ;-).

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    Off road, with a little bit of peddling uphill, which isn't really much effort (at least not
    compared to sustained fast


    road

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    riding), you can start screaming down slippery-sliddy scary muddy single track at insane speeds
    through the trees, and really get the adrenalin flowing! And you don't have to go very far or
    use a lot of energy to do


    it.

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    That sounds like the off road equivalent of a pootle. There are some


    hills

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    that can take a lot of effort and technical skill to climb and there are


    those

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    that just require a little bit of pedalling

    Oh, cutting, cutting. The uphilling wasn't technical, but it was more than a pootle. In any case the
    adrenalin came in the downhilling!

    Rich

  5. "MSeries" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    What is 'fun' ?

    Ah, so you're a roadie then ;-)?

    Rich

  6. "MSeries" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    What is 'fun' ?

    Being cold and wet.

    cheers, clive

    (above definition arrived at while I was still caving...)

  7. Richard Goodman said:

    "MSeries" <[email hidden]> wrote in message -"]news:[email hidden]-
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    What is 'fun' ?

    Ah, so you're a roadie then ;-)?

    Rich

    Of course.

    I tried off roading for about 3 years but quit after face planting in the Coed-y-Brenin forest.
    Ouch, scarred for life, physically. Never really enjoyed it. Too much effort for not enough reward,
    bikes break too often. Too dangerous for me and little sense of achievement.

    Much prefer long rides, (80+miles). Long climbs with long, fast descents where I can relax and let
    the bike go. Even here in the UK I regularly ride up and down hills that are 9 miles long. Don't
    like standing on pedals going down hill, not relaxing - not fun.

    On road for me is more like a long controlled endorphin buzz rather than a wham bang thankyou maam
    rush - over in 30 seconds and then left looking for more.

    Each to their own. Enjoy yourself and don't take too many risks.

    Martin
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  8. Clive George said:

    "MSeries" <[email hidden]> wrote in message -"]news:[email hidden]-
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    What is 'fun' ?

    Being cold and wet.

    cheers, clive

    (above definition arrived at while I was still caving...)

    & hungry and lost

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  9. "MSeries" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Clive George said:

    "MSeries" <[email hidden]> wrote in message -"]news:[email hidden]-
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    What is 'fun' ?

    Being cold and wet.

    cheers, clive

    (above definition arrived at while I was still caving...)

    & hungry and lost

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    ...and feeling the gash across my kneecap opening and letting a little more blood pump out every
    time I peddle, having fallen off half-way around the Coed y Brennin 35km route whilst wearing shorts
    for the first time (damnstoopidthingtodo - always wear me indestructible lycra leggings now!!) and
    landing kneecap first on a very sharp rock!! - ( See M-Series earlier response)

    OR....

    It's that thing that lets you know life is worth living 8-D....lying under a duckdown duvet, in a
    kingsize fully sprung bed, all roasty-toasty warm on a freezing cold Sunday morning with the one you
    love, knowing you don't have to get up to save the world is also 'fun'

    Dave.

  10. (T'other) Dave said:


    It's that thing that lets you know life is worth living 8-D....lying under a duckdown duvet, in a
    kingsize fully sprung bed, all roasty-toasty warm on a freezing cold Sunday morning with the one
    you love, knowing you don't have to get up to save the world is also 'fun'

    I tried that but found that the oil from the chain ruins the duckdown duvet.

  11. Richard Goodman said:

    Road riding is just hard work - the most 'fun' you can have is to go further faster, but you
    really have to work at it to do that which takes a lot of the fun out of it.

    I find it quite relaxing myself, since I'm not in a big hurry and have an unreasonably comfortable
    recumbent tourer on which I can sit back and admire the countryside as it goes by.

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    At least, there's not a lot of adrenalin in it, and you're knackered afterwards even if you have
    gone a long way quickly.

    If you think there's no adrenaline cranking tight turns at insensible speeds down a country lane
    with a good hill, you're using the wrong roads!

    Pete.
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  12. Richard Goodman said:

    Off road, with a little bit of peddling uphill, which isn't really much effort (at least not
    compared to sustained fast road riding), you can start screaming down slippery-sliddy scary muddy
    single track at insane speeds through the trees, and really get the adrenalin flowing! And you
    don't have to go very far or use a lot of energy to do it. Help! I think I'm hooked!

    Yup. Excellent, isn't it? It's more or less all excellent: steep climbs on loose material or soft
    mud where not breaking traction is the challenge, tight twisty singletrack with treeroots and stones
    which are trying to throw you off, easy flowing singletrack where you slice down between the trees
    at speeds which feel ridiculous, vertiginous rocky descents which look totally unfeasible - all
    excellent. And you can get into serious wilderness and brilliant scenery much faster on a bike than
    by any other means of transport.

    This isn't to say that I don't enjoy road riding, of course; but off-road is so much better.

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  13. On 16/12/03 11:35 am, in article
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    Yup. Excellent, isn't it? It's more or less all excellent: steep climbs on loose material or soft
    mud where not breaking traction is the challenge, tight twisty singletrack with treeroots and
    stones which are trying to throw you off, easy flowing singletrack where you slice down between
    the trees at speeds which feel ridiculous, vertiginous rocky descents which look totally
    unfeasible - all excellent. And you can get into serious wilderness and brilliant scenery much
    faster on a bike than by any other means of transport.

    Yup, bikes can get you into the wilderness much quicker than on foot. I rode in from Braemar to
    climb cairn a'mhaim (left the bikes at the bottom) and that made the day feasible by speeding up the
    7 mile walk in.

    And last time I went to skye I took the bike.. rode to camasunary (well, almost. Most of the last
    few miles was push and carry with some seriously knackering descents where I was beginning to think
    I should have taken the h****t, body armour, or a boat. The bike still hasn't forgiven me.

    But fast road riding isn't knackering. Really fast is but I can't go out for a gentle 2 hour spin
    off road. It is far too much intense work. Wheras on the road I can easily spin at a pace that suits
    me and keep the momentum without getting seriously knackered.

    ..d

  14. David Martin said:

    But fast road riding isn't knackering. Really fast is but I can't go out for a gentle 2 hour spin
    off road. It is far too much intense work. Wheras on the road I can easily spin at a pace that
    suits me and keep the momentum without getting seriously knackered.

    It depends where and I agree we're a little spoilt in these parts. I can't do a gentle two hour off-
    road spin from my doorstep because around here the bits that aren't too steep for gentle are all
    farmland. But chuck the bikes on the back of the truck and drive eight miles to Dalbeattie forest
    and there's any amount of trails of all abilities. Gentle two hour pootle? Easy. Follow the blue
    arrows, or make up your own. Strenuous afternoon's singletracking? Easy. Follow the red and black
    arrows, or make up your own. Or if you're bored of Dalbeattie, there's Mabie, only ten miles away.
    If you're bored of Mabie, Ae is only another ten miles. Or going North its only fifteen miles to the
    Raiders Road, and from there you have literally hundreds of miles of off road tracks all the way to
    the Ayrshire border, enough to keep you busy for a weeks. And when you're bored of the tracks you
    can go off track into serious wilderness.

    Excellent.

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  15. "David Martin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Yup, bikes can get you into the wilderness much quicker than on foot. I


    rode

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    in from Braemar to climb cairn a'mhaim (left the bikes at the bottom) and that made the day
    feasible by speeding up the 7 mile walk in.

    Boo to the SNT and the 'Long Walk In'.

    cheers, clive

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