Olympic Trials - Marathon

Ted said:

I am looking for someone who knows what it takes to make it to qualify
for the Olympic trials. I have never competed in a marathon, however i
am just wondering what runners go through in order to be competitive in
the marathon. Thanks.

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i
am just wondering what runners go through in order to be competitive in
the marathon.

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I am looking for someone who knows what it takes to make it to qualify
for the Olympic trials. I have never competed in a marathon, however i
am just wondering what runners go through in order to be competitive in
the marathon. Thanks.

Do you mean time standards? If so, they may not have been published yet for
2008. Figure 2:12 on being the time needed to qualify.

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Quoted message said:

I am looking for someone who knows what it takes to make it to qualify
for the Olympic trials. I have never competed in a marathon, however i
am just wondering what runners go through in order to be competitive in
the marathon. Thanks.

Do you mean time standards? If so, they may not have been published yet

for

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2008. Figure 2:12 on being the time needed to qualify.

Would 2:12 be the Olympic 'A' standard? Or are they severely limiting the
competition in the trials race? I think to qualify for the 2004 trials race
required a time under 2:22 for men and under 2:48 for women.

Ted said:

I am looking for someone who knows what it takes to make it to qualify
for the Olympic trials. I have never competed in a marathon, however i
am just wondering what runners go through in order to be competitive in
the marathon. Thanks.

In 2004 the standard was 2:22 for the "B" standard. I went on a crash
program to go from 2:29:27 down in a little under a year. I got MAYBE in
2:23-2:24 shape but was overtrained by the time I raced and dropped out at
17 miles.
With a few years to prepare, a sub-2:30 guy can usually make it if they
are smart and not already at their peak.
For me, it took:
-Going from 60-70 mpw to 80-110 mpw
-half marathon drop from 1:13:20 to 1:10:12 (needed about 1:09 to know I was
in shape for 2:22)
-Occasional weeks up to 130 miles
-Lots and lots of work
If I can still make the time I'll be doing another try in a couple years.
The next qualifying window should open around fall/winter 2006.
Andy Hass

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In 2004 the standard was 2:22 for the "B" standard. I went on a crash
program to go from 2:29:27 down in a little under a year. I got MAYBE in
2:23-2:24 shape but was overtrained by the time I raced and dropped out at
17 miles.
With a few years to prepare, a sub-2:30 guy can usually make it if they
are smart and not already at their peak.
For me, it took:
-Going from 60-70 mpw to 80-110 mpw
-half marathon drop from 1:13:20 to 1:10:12 (needed about 1:09 to know I was
in shape for 2:22)
-Occasional weeks up to 130 miles
-Lots and lots of work
If I can still make the time I'll be doing another try in a couple years.
The next qualifying window should open around fall/winter 2006.

So this leads me to a couple of questions. First, about you -- are you planning
to go after sponsorship deals ? I know at least one guy who's quite a bit
slower than you and has a sponsorship deal, so it's not impossible.

About my training:

It's a while since you've been here, but I've made steady progress this year,
going from about a 70% level at the start of the year (6:24 pace for 10 miles)
up to around 75% (79:40 for the half, 28:27 for 5 miles). My main goal is to
run faster times for distances around the 10k mark.

I did this largely by building up milage and averaging 70mpw over several
weeks, and will finish this year with an average of about 60mpw.

Given where I am now, how would you approach next year if you were in my shoes
? It seems that your experience would support the idea that I can still get
quite a bit faster by increasing milage. Or maybe I should be patient and see
what I can do with another year of around 70, maybe with a few more weeks in
the 80s.

I'd be very pleased with myself if I could achieve a 3 minute improvement in
half marathon times, from where I am now.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

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I am looking for someone who knows what it takes to make it to qualify
for the Olympic trials. I have never competed in a marathon, however i
am just wondering what runners go through in order to be competitive in
the marathon. Thanks.

Do you mean time standards? If so, they may not have been published yet

for

Quoted message said:

2008. Figure 2:12 on being the time needed to qualify.

Would 2:12 be the Olympic 'A' standard? Or are they severely limiting the
competition in the trials race? I think to qualify for the 2004 trials
race
required a time under 2:22 for men and under 2:48 for women.

You are correct; I simply got my wires crossed. I believe it was 2:20 to get
your way paid for the men.

Donovan Rebbechi said:

So this leads me to a couple of questions. First, about you -- are you planning
to go after sponsorship deals ? I know at least one guy who's quite a bit
slower than you and has a sponsorship deal, so it's not impossible.

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About my training:

Quoted message said:

It's a while since you've been here, but I've made steady progress this year,
going from about a 70% level at the start of the year (6:24 pace for 10 miles)
up to around 75% (79:40 for the half, 28:27 for 5 miles). My main goal is to
run faster times for distances around the 10k mark.

Quoted message said:

I did this largely by building up milage and averaging 70mpw over several
weeks, and will finish this year with an average of about 60mpw.

Quoted message said:

Given where I am now, how would you approach next year if you were in my shoes
? It seems that your experience would support the idea that I can still get
quite a bit faster by increasing milage. Or maybe I should be patient and see
what I can do with another year of around 70, maybe with a few more weeks in
the 80s.

Quoted message said:

I'd be very pleased with myself if I could achieve a 3 minute improvement in
half marathon times, from where I am now.

Quoted message said:

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

Sponsorship for anyone short of elite is purely knowing the right people. No
one would pay me...sub-30 10K guys are hard pressed to get sponsorship. It's
a bit easier to get local sponsorship, but I race in an area where guys like
me are not uncommon.
Dang, you've gotten quite a bit faster since I've been gone. How do you feel
at 70 mpw? What is your normal weekly routine, and do you training cycles at
all?
If you are comfortable training at 70 mpw now with some decent intensity,
you could always try using the off-season to drop some intensity and get
the mileage up to 80-90 mpw...maybe even 100 BRIEFLY... while just doing a single
fartlek workout and 5-8 mile tempo run for intensity each week. After a
couple months of this you should be tougher and stronger. Drop the miles as
you add back the intensity, brining the mileage back to a level a little higher
than you had it before.
Remember that the main key is patience. I don't recall how old you are as
that can play a factor. My training partner (who I will add has more innate
talent than me) was running about 32:30-33:00 for 10K for a year and a half
training with me. While I took time off this year, he trained straight
through. Nothing insane, just about 70 mpw...though he's only averaged 50-60
before. He avoided injury and has so been doing this for nearly two years
straight now. I will be surprised if he doesn't break 31:00 on the track
this spring! He did nothing magical...just what I described above. He
reached out of his comfort zone and trained with me during my Trials attempt,
beat himself up a bit but took time to recover when I didn't (he wasn't going
for the Trials deadline). Stress, recover. Stress, recover. Get faster. 😉

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since I've been gone. How do you feel at 70 mpw?

I was feeling pretty good at that milage -- I ran my 28:27 5 miler during such
a week.

Coming off the NY marathon now (my first, 2:58 in moderately warm weather) so
I'm down to 60 and speed once a week.

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What is your normal weekly routine,

Easy days would usually consist of two easy runs each about 40 minutes long.
Then there would be two speed sessions a week, and a weekly long run (about 2
hours).

One of my speed sessions is with a training group (so I don't have control over it). The other speed session I do by myself, I'd typically either do track
work (4x1200) or a tempo or fartlek run depending on what we did in the group
workout, and where I was with my training.

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and do you training cycles at all? If you are comfortable

I had been loosely following Daniels, by choosing workouts that matched the
phase of the program.

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training at 70 mpw now with some decent intensity, you could always try
using the off-season to drop some intensity and get the mileage up to 80-90
mpw...maybe even 100 BRIEFLY... while just doing a single fartlek workout
and 5-8 mile tempo run for intensity each week. After a couple months of
this you should be tougher and stronger. Drop the miles as you add back
the intensity, brining the mileage back to a level a little higher than you
had it before.
Remember that the main key is patience. I don't recall how
old you are as that can play a factor.

31 years old. I'm still not sure what an off-season is -- I mean, summer is
useless for racing, so I just train hard and don't worry about peaking.

But I don't have a very good handle on how track/XC people manage their annual
racing schedules. Most of the guys I train with are marathon-oriented. This
makes it easier to periodise, because there are (usually) two primary races,
and they're about 6 months apart.

But in track or XC, you have a busy race schedule, so how does a base period
(or for that matter, anything other than peaking for next weeks race) get built
into that ?

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

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But in track or XC, you have a busy race schedule, so how does a base period
(or for that matter, anything other than peaking for next weeks race) get built
into that ?

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Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

The base period would take place a month or more back from the beginning
of the season. Which means you run the most miles in the frigid chill
of winter and baking heat of mid-summer 🙁
Andy Hass

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But in track or XC, you have a busy race schedule, so how does a base period
(or for that matter, anything other than peaking for next weeks race) get built
into that ?

Quoted message said:

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

The base period would take place a month or more back from the beginning
of the season. Which means you run the most miles in the frigid chill
of winter and baking heat of mid-summer 🙁
Andy Hass

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i
am just wondering what runners go through in order to be competitive in
the marathon.

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You forgot about getting the right genes.

Jeans, or shorts, they still use steroids.