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    Down to a science Medals rare for U.S. marathoners, steamy
    Athens could be different Posted: Friday May 14, 2004
    3:22PM; Updated: Tuesday May 18, 2004
    10:11AM

    U.S. Olympic Marathon Team

    Men Women Alan Culpepper Colleen DeReuck Meb Keflezighi
    Deena Kastor Dan Browne Jen Rhines

    Try as we might, it's at first hard to fathom an American
    marathoner leaving Athens with a medal this summer. Olympic
    glory in the sprints and a smattering of field events,
    especially the big boys in the shot put, perhaps. But Uncle
    Sam's distance runners just aren't up to world standards.

    So why even suggest it might be different come August? Well,
    the answer may be found in what scientists describe as
    climatic heat stress. This is a nasty bagful of stuff cooked
    up by an Athens summer, like steaming temperatures,
    humidity, glaring sunshine and thickly polluted air.

    Think Southern California in August, with the mercury
    touching the mid-80s when the race starts in the late
    afternoon. Then, imagine a
    11.2-mile trek into the heart of Los Angeles over a
    course with steeper hills than runners climb at the
    Boston Marathon.

    We're talking about great equalizers bound to slow the pace.
    And no country has sunk more sharp minds, money and science
    into calculating the fastest way to get its runners from the
    sleepy village of Marathon into bustling Athens. Some of
    this insight was shared during a marathon team summit last
    weekend in Chula Vista, Calif.

    "The Athens marathon is different because it is not just how
    fast you can run,'' said Dr. David Martin, one of the
    country's leading sports physiologists and author of The
    Olympic Marathon. "It is how well you can manage the
    environment. And to my knowledge there is not a country in
    the world that is doing what we're doing in terms of
    preparing its athletes. We're essentially running a national
    training camp. Bringing in the best minds in the country, in
    terms of humidity, hills, altitude, nutrition, energy, pace
    -- all together in one place, having spent hundreds of hours
    working together as a team in how to cope with the
    environment and conditions.

    "We've seen the course. We've done our homework. The
    athletes also have done their homework. For both men and
    women, the three major players who ought to be on the team
    are on the team. It is not a fluke. And it is athletes who
    want to run the marathon. It's not athletes who are saying,
    'Well, I'll go if I don't make the 10,000 meters at the
    Olympic Trials.' These people are focused on the marathon.''

    But what they've qualified for sounds like pure hell -- a
    tough course and brutal conditions. So taxing that at the
    last international race over the Athens course, the 1997
    World Championships, not a single runner among the top 30
    finishers in either the men's or women's field clocked a personal-
    best, and the dropout rate was nearly 33 percent.

    But if you're going to be geeked for a marathon, this is the
    one. The long-distance footrace debuted at the first modern
    Olympic Games in 1896. Fast forward to this summer, and
    runners will again pound the historic route in what figures
    to be a showpiece event of the Athens Games.

    Can you think of a more historic sports setting?

    The marathon course is likened to Boston, which, to no one's
    surprise, was conceived by athletes returning from the 1896
    Athens Olympics. Only the original is an even tougher, net
    uphill trek. Athens brings a series of rolling hills, much
    like Boston, with the equivalent of a five-story climb every
    mile from the 16.2 to 19.8 mile mark, followed by a long,
    steady, downhill run to the finish that has the potential to
    tear up the quads.

    "They said it's a fairly polluted place, but I think the
    temperature is going to be more of the issue than the air
    quality,'' said Alan Culpepper, who captured the marathon
    trials in 28 degree weather last February in Birmingham,
    Ala. "If it were a race where we were going to set the world
    record, then obviously that would be a factor. But under
    conditions that are going to exist [a record] will be the
    last of everyone's concerns.''

    For Americans, the goal is simply to have someone on the
    medal stand. Frank Shorter won the last men's medal at the
    1976 Montreal Games, while Joan Benoit Samuelson ran to gold
    in the inaugural women's race 20 years ago in Los Angeles.

    The Greeks want only for the races to come off without a
    hitch -- the women run Sunday, August 22, with the men a
    week later in what will be the closing event of the Games.
    Until then, there'll be no off-days as workers go about
    widening from two to four lanes the route Pheidippides
    covered 2,500 years ago to bring Athens news of great
    victory against the Persian Army.

    Dr. Martin drove the course for six hours in late October
    and left Athens confident that the highway project would
    be completed by the Games. The IOC inspectors declared
    plans for the Athens Games on schedule this week, and
    the roadwork is likely to be finished by mid-June. What
    ought be remembered is construction in the main Atlanta
    stadium delayed official marking of the 1996 marathon
    course until a month before the Games.

    "It is the marathon -- it must be ready,'' Martin said
    matter-of-factly.

    And the same might be said of the American charges, if they
    can master the elements.

    Mike Fish is a senior writer for SI.com.

  2. Red Dot said:

    sportsillustrated.cnn.com0
    5/14/straight.shooting/

    Down to a science Medals rare for U.S. marathoners, steamy
    Athens could be different Posted: Friday May 14, 2004
    3:22PM; Updated: Tuesday May 18, 2004
    10:11AM

    U.S. Olympic Marathon Team

    Men Women Alan Culpepper Colleen DeReuck Meb Keflezighi
    Deena Kastor Dan Browne Jen Rhines

    Try as we might, it's at first hard to fathom an American
    marathoner leaving Athens with a medal this summer.
    Olympic glory in the sprints and a smattering of field
    events, especially the big boys in the shot put, perhaps.
    But Uncle Sam's distance runners just aren't up to world
    standards.

    So why even suggest it might be different come August?
    Well, the answer may be found in what scientists describe
    as climatic heat stress. This is a nasty bagful of stuff
    cooked up by an Athens summer, like steaming temperatures,
    humidity, glaring sunshine and thickly polluted air.

    These conditions play to the strengths of the lighter,
    smaller athletes. Usually, you'd think this would work
    against the Americans, but Meb is one of the shorter
    runners, and Culpepper is freakishly thin.

    Cheers,
    --
    Donovan Rebbechi pegasus.rutgers.edu~elflord

  3. Maybe on the women's side, but not the men. Chances are good
    that one of the men will not even start. Which might be a
    good thing for Trent Briney (an acquaintance so I am biased
    although I know Meb a bit better). I am betting Dan Browne
    starts but DNFs. He chases the money in small American road
    races way too much. He skipped a meeting of the marathon
    team and coaches in San Diego to go run a race a pick up a
    check (not even that big of a check). The meeting gave
    excellent information on heat, humidity and a video preview
    of the course.

    "Red Dot" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    sportsillustrated.cnn.comsportsillustrated.cnn.com
    14/straight.shooting/

    Quoted message said:

    Down to a science Medals rare for U.S. marathoners, steamy
    Athens could be different Posted: Friday May 14, 2004
    3:22PM; Updated: Tuesday May 18, 2004
    10:11AM

    U.S. Olympic Marathon Team

    Men Women Alan Culpepper Colleen DeReuck Meb Keflezighi
    Deena Kastor Dan Browne Jen Rhines

    Try as we might, it's at first hard to fathom an American
    marathoner leaving Athens with a medal this summer.
    Olympic glory in the sprints and a smattering of field
    events, especially the big boys in the shot put, perhaps.
    But Uncle Sam's distance runners just aren't up to world
    standards.

    So why even suggest it might be different come August?
    Well, the answer may be found in what scientists describe
    as climatic heat stress. This is a nasty bagful of stuff
    cooked up by an Athens summer, like steaming temperatures,
    humidity, glaring sunshine and thickly polluted air.

    Think Southern California in August, with the mercury
    touching the mid-80s when the race starts in the late
    afternoon. Then, imagine a
    26.2-mile trek into the heart of Los Angeles over a course
    with steeper hills than runners climb at the Boston
    Marathon.

    We're talking about great equalizers bound to slow the
    pace. And no country has sunk more sharp minds, money and
    science into calculating the fastest way to get its
    runners from the sleepy village of Marathon into bustling
    Athens. Some of this insight was shared during a marathon
    team summit last weekend in Chula Vista, Calif.

    "The Athens marathon is different because it is not just
    how fast you can run,'' said Dr. David Martin, one of the
    country's leading sports physiologists and author of The
    Olympic Marathon. "It is how well you can manage the
    environment. And to my knowledge there is not a country in
    the world that is doing what we're doing in terms of
    preparing its athletes. We're essentially running a
    national training camp. Bringing in the best minds in the
    country, in terms of humidity, hills, altitude, nutrition,
    energy, pace -- all together in one place, having spent
    hundreds of hours working together as a team in how to
    cope with the environment and conditions.

    "We've seen the course. We've done our homework. The
    athletes also have done their homework. For both men and
    women, the three major players who ought to be on the team
    are on the team. It is not a fluke. And it is athletes who
    want to run the marathon. It's not athletes who are
    saying, 'Well, I'll go if I don't make the 10,000 meters
    at the Olympic Trials.' These people are focused on the
    marathon.''

    But what they've qualified for sounds like pure hell -- a
    tough course and brutal conditions. So taxing that at the
    last international race over the Athens course, the 1997
    World Championships, not a single runner among the top 30
    finishers in either the men's or women's field clocked a
    personal-best, and the dropout rate was nearly 33 percent.

    But if you're going to be geeked for a marathon, this is
    the one. The long-distance footrace debuted at the first
    modern Olympic Games in 1896. Fast forward to this summer,
    and runners will again pound the historic route in what
    figures to be a showpiece event of the Athens Games.

    Can you think of a more historic sports setting?

    The marathon course is likened to Boston, which, to no
    one's surprise, was conceived by athletes returning from
    the 1896 Athens Olympics. Only the original is an even
    tougher, net uphill trek. Athens brings a series of
    rolling hills, much like Boston, with the equivalent of a
    five-story climb every mile from the 16.2 to 19.8 mile
    mark, followed by a long, steady, downhill run to the
    finish that has the potential to tear up the quads.

    "They said it's a fairly polluted place, but I think the
    temperature is going to be more of the issue than the air
    quality,'' said Alan Culpepper, who captured the marathon
    trials in 28 degree weather last February in Birmingham,
    Ala. "If it were a race where we were going to set the
    world record, then obviously that would be a factor. But
    under conditions that are going to exist [a record] will
    be the last of everyone's concerns.''

    For Americans, the goal is simply to have someone on the
    medal stand. Frank Shorter won the last men's medal at the
    1976 Montreal Games, while Joan Benoit Samuelson ran to
    gold in the inaugural women's race 20 years ago in Los
    Angeles.

    The Greeks want only for the races to come off without a
    hitch -- the women run Sunday, August 22, with the men a
    week later in what will be the closing event of the Games.
    Until then, there'll be no off-days as workers go about
    widening from two to four lanes the route Pheidippides
    covered 2,500 years ago to bring Athens news of great
    victory against the Persian Army.

    Dr. Martin drove the course for six hours in late October
    and left Athens confident that the highway project
    would be completed by the Games. The IOC inspectors
    declared plans for the Athens Games on schedule this
    week, and the roadwork is likely to be finished by mid-
    June. What ought be remembered is construction in the
    main Atlanta stadium delayed official marking of the
    1996 marathon course until a month before the Games.

    "It is the marathon -- it must be ready,'' Martin said
    matter-of-factly.

    And the same might be said of the American charges, if
    they can master the elements.

    Mike Fish is a senior writer for SI.com.

  4. Sam said:

    He chases the money in small American road races way too
    much. He skipped a meeting of the marathon team and
    coaches in San Diego to go run a race a pick up a check
    (not even that big of a check). The meeting gave
    excellent information on heat, humidity and a video
    preview of the course.

    BK described road racing as "a B or a C circuit". While that
    might make him sound like a snob (despite the fact that he's
    right), IMO it's the right attitude -- not caring about
    beating the little fish, and staying focused on making it on
    the international stage.

    Cheers,
    --
    Donovan Rebbechi pegasus.rutgers.edu~elflord

  5. Donovan Rebbechi said:

    These conditions play to the strengths of the lighter,
    smaller athletes. Usually, you'd think this would work
    against the Americans, but Meb is one of the shorter
    runners, and Culpepper is freakishly thin.

    Alan Culpepper, the top American, is the 67th fastest male
    marathoner in the world this year. What do you think? Deena
    might have a better chance. But if you really want a medal
    chance, it comes down to Webb and Krummenacker.

    Lyndon "Speed Kills...It kills those that don't have it!"
    --US Olympic Track Coach Brooks Johnson

  6. Lyndon said:
    Donovan Rebbechi said:

    These conditions play to the strengths of the lighter,
    smaller athletes. Usually, you'd think this would work
    against the Americans, but Meb is one of the shorter
    runners, and Culpepper is freakishly thin.

    Alan Culpepper, the top American, is the 67th fastest male
    marathoner in the world this year. What do you think?

    Those two (Culpepper, Meb) are good, good enough to be in
    the same race as the worlds best -- but I agree that they're
    both darkhorse contenders at best.

    If I were a betting man, I'd look at 10k times, and pick the
    smaller contenders with the best 10k performances. Again, on
    that measure, both of these guys are respectable, but not
    the worlds best.

    Cheers,
    --
    Donovan Rebbechi pegasus.rutgers.edu~elflord

  7. "Lyndon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Donovan Rebbechi said:

    These conditions play to the strengths of the lighter,
    smaller athletes. Usually, you'd think this would work
    against the Americans, but Meb is


    one of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the shorter runners, and Culpepper is freakishly thin.

    Alan Culpepper, the top American, is the 67th fastest male
    marathoner in


    the

    Quoted message said:

    world this year. What do you think? Deena might have a
    better chance.


    But if

    Quoted message said:

    you really want a medal chance, it comes down to Webb and
    Krummenacker.

    Lyndon "Speed Kills...It kills those that don't have it!"
    --US Olympic Track


    Coach

    Quoted message said:

    Brooks Johnson

    Krum maybe; Webb doubtful.

  8. [email hidden] (Lyndon) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Alan Culpepper, the top American, is the 67th fastest male
    marathoner in the world this year. What do you think?

    I don´t know squat about Culpepper, but:

    1. I wonder how much higher he would be if he´d ran one of
    those marathons which each year produce the vast majority
    of the top finishing times.

    2. I wonder whether his training could have been geared
    towards being "only as good as is required" in the
    Olympic qualifer and whether there´s "more where that
    came from".

    3. I ponder the fact that IIRC quite a few of last year´s
    championship marathons (Olympics, Worlds, Euros) have
    produced a bit unexpected and a little unknown medalists.

    4. I try to reminisce about those races; they would seem to
    have been somewhat odd affairs pace- or startegywise.

    5. I think especially of Janne Holmén who probably ranked
    below 67th in the rankings before the 2002 Euros - and
    about 34rd after winning it.

    6. I admit that the Olympics probably attract a greater
    number of absolute top marathoners, that the Kenyans,
    for instance, can as a team make it a perfectly paced
    race for their top two runners, and that it could well
    be Culpepper and the other Americans already peaked for
    the quals.

    7. I wish the best of luck to them, anyway - I won´t root
    for them, but I´ll stay tuned from start to finish:-)

    Anders

  9. wadn't khalid khannouchi supposed to be in the olympic team?
    i thought he was a us citizen?
    --
    _____________
    marko www.42-195.org "Red Dot" <[email hidden]> a
    écrit dans le message de
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    sportsillustrated.cnn.comsportsillustrated.cnn.com
    14/straight.shooting/

    Quoted message said:

    Down to a science Medals rare for U.S. marathoners, steamy
    Athens could be different Posted: Friday May 14, 2004
    3:22PM; Updated: Tuesday May 18, 2004
    10:11AM

    U.S. Olympic Marathon Team

    Men Women Alan Culpepper Colleen DeReuck Meb Keflezighi
    Deena Kastor Dan Browne Jen Rhines

    Try as we might, it's at first hard to fathom an American
    marathoner leaving Athens with a medal this summer.
    Olympic glory in the sprints and a smattering of field
    events, especially the big boys in the shot put, perhaps.
    But Uncle Sam's distance runners just aren't up to world
    standards.

    So why even suggest it might be different come August?
    Well, the answer may be found in what scientists describe
    as climatic heat stress. This is a nasty bagful of stuff
    cooked up by an Athens summer, like steaming temperatures,
    humidity, glaring sunshine and thickly polluted air.

    Think Southern California in August, with the mercury
    touching the mid-80s when the race starts in the late
    afternoon. Then, imagine a
    26.2-mile trek into the heart of Los Angeles over a course
    with steeper hills than runners climb at the Boston
    Marathon.

    We're talking about great equalizers bound to slow the
    pace. And no country has sunk more sharp minds, money and
    science into calculating the fastest way to get its
    runners from the sleepy village of Marathon into bustling
    Athens. Some of this insight was shared during a marathon
    team summit last weekend in Chula Vista, Calif.

    "The Athens marathon is different because it is not just
    how fast you can run,'' said Dr. David Martin, one of the
    country's leading sports physiologists and author of The
    Olympic Marathon. "It is how well you can manage the
    environment. And to my knowledge there is not a country in
    the world that is doing what we're doing in terms of
    preparing its athletes. We're essentially running a
    national training camp. Bringing in the best minds in the
    country, in terms of humidity, hills, altitude, nutrition,
    energy, pace -- all together in one place, having spent
    hundreds of hours working together as a team in how to
    cope with the environment and conditions.

    "We've seen the course. We've done our homework. The
    athletes also have done their homework. For both men and
    women, the three major players who ought to be on the team
    are on the team. It is not a fluke. And it is athletes who
    want to run the marathon. It's not athletes who are
    saying, 'Well, I'll go if I don't make the 10,000 meters
    at the Olympic Trials.' These people are focused on the
    marathon.''

    But what they've qualified for sounds like pure hell -- a
    tough course and brutal conditions. So taxing that at the
    last international race over the Athens course, the 1997
    World Championships, not a single runner among the top 30
    finishers in either the men's or women's field clocked a
    personal-best, and the dropout rate was nearly 33 percent.

    But if you're going to be geeked for a marathon, this is
    the one. The long-distance footrace debuted at the first
    modern Olympic Games in 1896. Fast forward to this summer,
    and runners will again pound the historic route in what
    figures to be a showpiece event of the Athens Games.

    Can you think of a more historic sports setting?

    The marathon course is likened to Boston, which, to no
    one's surprise, was conceived by athletes returning from
    the 1896 Athens Olympics. Only the original is an even
    tougher, net uphill trek. Athens brings a series of
    rolling hills, much like Boston, with the equivalent of a
    five-story climb every mile from the 16.2 to 19.8 mile
    mark, followed by a long, steady, downhill run to the
    finish that has the potential to tear up the quads.

    "They said it's a fairly polluted place, but I think the
    temperature is going to be more of the issue than the air
    quality,'' said Alan Culpepper, who captured the marathon
    trials in 28 degree weather last February in Birmingham,
    Ala. "If it were a race where we were going to set the
    world record, then obviously that would be a factor. But
    under conditions that are going to exist [a record] will
    be the last of everyone's concerns.''

    For Americans, the goal is simply to have someone on the
    medal stand. Frank Shorter won the last men's medal at the
    1976 Montreal Games, while Joan Benoit Samuelson ran to
    gold in the inaugural women's race 20 years ago in Los
    Angeles.

    The Greeks want only for the races to come off without a
    hitch -- the women run Sunday, August 22, with the men a
    week later in what will be the closing event of the Games.
    Until then, there'll be no off-days as workers go about
    widening from two to four lanes the route Pheidippides
    covered 2,500 years ago to bring Athens news of great
    victory against the Persian Army.

    Dr. Martin drove the course for six hours in late October
    and left Athens confident that the highway project
    would be completed by the Games. The IOC inspectors
    declared plans for the Athens Games on schedule this
    week, and the roadwork is likely to be finished by mid-
    June. What ought be remembered is construction in the
    main Atlanta stadium delayed official marking of the
    1996 marathon course until a month before the Games.

    "It is the marathon -- it must be ready,'' Martin said
    matter-of-factly.

    And the same might be said of the American charges, if
    they can master the elements.

    Mike Fish is a senior writer for SI.com.

  10. "marko" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:40ccb5e6$0$22717
    [email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    wadn't khalid khannouchi supposed to be in the olympic
    team? i thought he was a us citizen?

    Check this out:
    mensracing.comkhannouchiout.html

    Phil M.

    --
    "I gotta go. You're killin' me."

  11. In article <[email hidden]>,

    marko said:

    wadn't khalid khannouchi supposed to be in the olympic
    team? i thought he was a us citizen?

    Injured at the time of the Trials.

    --Harold Buck

    "I used to rock and roll all night, and party every day. Th-
    en it was every other day. . . ."
    - Homer J. Simpson

  12. "Phil M." <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "marko" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:40ccb5e6$0$22717 [email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    wadn't khalid khannouchi supposed to be in the olympic
    team? i thought he was a us citizen?

    Check this out:
    mensracing.comkhannouchiout.html

    ok, I see. I'm impressed that even a former world-record
    holder has to go through the trials in order to go to the
    olympics. I know that one of the best marathoner in
    france, benoit Zwierzchlewski, has been accepted among the
    olympic team without having to run the trials, only based
    on a very good performance (sub 2h07'😉 marathon almost 1
    year before the trials, while other marathoners, less
    fast, had to make them.

    I think that this is a good option for very good runners, as
    running a diffficult marathon trial a few months before the
    olympics might not always be the best thing to do. It would
    also be better for less talented ones to be drafted based on
    good performances during the year or so before the olympics,
    but not during just one specific race. It seems to me that
    the best marathoners in the world are known of running only
    one very good M per year?

    marko

    Quoted message said:

    Phil M.

    --
    "I gotta go. You're killin' me."

  13. it is my personal opinion that the american women have an outside shot at a
    medal. however the american men have no shot what so ever.
    as someone who was running marathons in the early 70's i have always been
    impressed by the approach of the japanese runners towards the marathon and
    in particular toshihiko seko. i remember seko saying in the book running
    with legends "that the marathon is my only girlfriend. i give her
    everything i have" well maybe if the american runners took this kind of
    approach where they basically give up everything for an extended period of
    time (lets say 6 to 9 months) and just train for the marathon then maybe
    they might rise from a third world nation to once again a force in marathon
    running. unfortunately i do not see this country once again becoming a
    player in marathon running any time soon.
    "Red Dot" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    sportsillustrated.cnn.comsportsillustrated.cnn.com
    14/straight.shooting/

    Quoted message said:

    Down to a science Medals rare for U.S. marathoners, steamy
    Athens could be different Posted: Friday May 14, 2004
    3:22PM; Updated: Tuesday May 18, 2004
    10:11AM

    U.S. Olympic Marathon Team

    Men Women Alan Culpepper Colleen DeReuck Meb Keflezighi
    Deena Kastor Dan Browne Jen Rhines

    Try as we might, it's at first hard to fathom an American
    marathoner leaving Athens with a medal this summer.
    Olympic glory in the sprints and a smattering of field
    events, especially the big boys in the shot put, perhaps.
    But Uncle Sam's distance runners just aren't up to world
    standards.

    So why even suggest it might be different come August?
    Well, the answer may be found in what scientists describe
    as climatic heat stress. This is a nasty bagful of stuff
    cooked up by an Athens summer, like steaming temperatures,
    humidity, glaring sunshine and thickly polluted air.

    Think Southern California in August, with the mercury
    touching the mid-80s when the race starts in the late
    afternoon. Then, imagine a
    26.2-mile trek into the heart of Los Angeles over a course
    with steeper hills than runners climb at the Boston
    Marathon.

    We're talking about great equalizers bound to slow the
    pace. And no country has sunk more sharp minds, money and
    science into calculating the fastest way to get its
    runners from the sleepy village of Marathon into bustling
    Athens. Some of this insight was shared during a marathon
    team summit last weekend in Chula Vista, Calif.

    "The Athens marathon is different because it is not just
    how fast you can run,'' said Dr. David Martin, one of the
    country's leading sports physiologists and author of The
    Olympic Marathon. "It is how well you can manage the
    environment. And to my knowledge there is not a country in
    the world that is doing what we're doing in terms of
    preparing its athletes. We're essentially running a
    national training camp. Bringing in the best minds in the
    country, in terms of humidity, hills, altitude, nutrition,
    energy, pace -- all together in one place, having spent
    hundreds of hours working together as a team in how to
    cope with the environment and conditions.

    "We've seen the course. We've done our homework. The
    athletes also have done their homework. For both men and
    women, the three major players who ought to be on the team
    are on the team. It is not a fluke. And it is athletes who
    want to run the marathon. It's not athletes who are
    saying, 'Well, I'll go if I don't make the 10,000 meters
    at the Olympic Trials.' These people are focused on the
    marathon.''

    But what they've qualified for sounds like pure hell -- a
    tough course and brutal conditions. So taxing that at the
    last international race over the Athens course, the 1997
    World Championships, not a single runner among the top 30
    finishers in either the men's or women's field clocked a
    personal-best, and the dropout rate was nearly 33 percent.

    But if you're going to be geeked for a marathon, this is
    the one. The long-distance footrace debuted at the first
    modern Olympic Games in 1896. Fast forward to this summer,
    and runners will again pound the historic route in what
    figures to be a showpiece event of the Athens Games.

    Can you think of a more historic sports setting?

    The marathon course is likened to Boston, which, to no
    one's surprise, was conceived by athletes returning from
    the 1896 Athens Olympics. Only the original is an even
    tougher, net uphill trek. Athens brings a series of
    rolling hills, much like Boston, with the equivalent of a
    five-story climb every mile from the 16.2 to 19.8 mile
    mark, followed by a long, steady, downhill run to the
    finish that has the potential to tear up the quads.

    "They said it's a fairly polluted place, but I think the
    temperature is going to be more of the issue than the air
    quality,'' said Alan Culpepper, who captured the marathon
    trials in 28 degree weather last February in Birmingham,
    Ala. "If it were a race where we were going to set the
    world record, then obviously that would be a factor. But
    under conditions that are going to exist [a record] will
    be the last of everyone's concerns.''

    For Americans, the goal is simply to have someone on the
    medal stand. Frank Shorter won the last men's medal at the
    1976 Montreal Games, while Joan Benoit Samuelson ran to
    gold in the inaugural women's race 20 years ago in Los
    Angeles.

    The Greeks want only for the races to come off without a
    hitch -- the women run Sunday, August 22, with the men a
    week later in what will be the closing event of the Games.
    Until then, there'll be no off-days as workers go about
    widening from two to four lanes the route Pheidippides
    covered 2,500 years ago to bring Athens news of great
    victory against the Persian Army.

    Dr. Martin drove the course for six hours in late October
    and left Athens confident that the highway project
    would be completed by the Games. The IOC inspectors
    declared plans for the Athens Games on schedule this
    week, and the roadwork is likely to be finished by mid-
    June. What ought be remembered is construction in the
    main Atlanta stadium delayed official marking of the
    1996 marathon course until a month before the Games.

    "It is the marathon -- it must be ready,'' Martin said
    matter-of-factly.

    And the same might be said of the American charges, if
    they can master the elements.

    Mike Fish is a senior writer for SI.com.

  14. The US system is fine. It takes the subjectivity out of it. The Trials
    were in February. Gives a person plenty of time to recover and peak again
    for August. I would have had the Trials in Honolulu myself (triathlon had
    one of its selection events there) since the conditions would be closer to
    Athens (minus the horrendous air quality).
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    wadn't khalid khannouchi supposed to be in the olympic
    team? i thought he was a us citizen?

    Check this out:
    mensracing.comkhannouchiout.html

    ok, I see. I'm impressed that even a former world-record
    holder has to go through the trials in order to go to the
    olympics. I know that one of the best marathoner in
    france, benoit Zwierzchlewski,


    has

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    been accepted among the olympic team without having to run
    the trials,


    only

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    based on a very good performance (sub 2h07'😉 marathon
    almost 1 year before the trials, while other marathoners,
    less fast, had to make them.

    I think that this is a good option for very good runners,
    as running a diffficult marathon trial a few months before
    the olympics might not


    always

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    be the best thing to do. It would also be better for less
    talented ones to be drafted based on good performances
    during the year or so before the olympics, but not during


    just

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    one specific race. It seems to me that the best
    marathoners in the world are known of running only one
    very good M per year?

    marko

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    Phil M.

    --
    "I gotta go. You're killin' me."

  15. how could the US system be fine when it does not produce any results?
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    The US system is fine. It takes the subjectivity out of
    it. The Trials were in February. Gives a person plenty of
    time to recover and peak again for August. I would have
    had the Trials in Honolulu myself (triathlon had one of
    its selection events there) since the conditions would be
    closer to Athens (minus the horrendous air quality).
    "marko" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Phil M." <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de
    "]news:[email hidden]...

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    "marko" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:40ccb5e6$0$22717 [email hidden]:

    > wadn't khalid khannouchi supposed to be in the
    > olympic team? i thought he was a us citizen?

    Check this out: mensracing.comk
    hannouchiout.html

    ok, I see. I'm impressed that even a former world-record
    holder has to go through


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    trials in order to go to the olympics. I know that one
    of the best marathoner in france, benoit Zwierzchlewski,


    has

    Quoted message said:

    been accepted among the olympic team without having to
    run the trials,


    only

    Quoted message said:

    based on a very good performance (sub 2h07'😉 marathon
    almost 1 year


    before

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the trials, while other marathoners, less fast, had to
    make them.

    I think that this is a good option for very good
    runners, as running a diffficult marathon trial a few
    months before the olympics might not


    always

    Quoted message said:

    be the best thing to do. It would also be better for
    less talented ones to be drafted based on


    good

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    performances during the year or so before the olympics,
    but not during


    just

    Quoted message said:

    one specific race. It seems to me that the best
    marathoners in the world are known of


    running

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    only one very good M per year?

    marko

    Quoted message said:

    Phil M.

    --
    "I gotta go. You're killin' me."



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