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  1. Subject: Quackpot Menace Clubbed in Canada: Ontario Health Freedom
    Legislation Passes
    From: "International Advocates for Health Freedom"

    Read Tim Bolen's article below about the recent health freedom legislation
    that just passed in Ontario, Canada, home of supposed "Quackbuster" Terry
    Polevoy.

    I am sending Bolen's article to Polevoy (see his anti alternative medicine
    website at http://www.healthwatcher.net/ ) and to de licensed physician
    Stephen Barrett, another alleged "quackbuster" http://www.quackwatch.com/ to
    see if either of them have anything to say whatsoever about this most
    interesting situation.

    I agree with Bolen's contention that Polevoy has been an invaluable help
    (albeit indirectly) towards the passage of the Canadian legislation, which
    is patterned after almost identical legislation that has passed in several
    US States which protects alternative practitioners from attacks by their
    state medical board (and now in Ontario from the Canadian College of
    Physicians and Surgeons) in the absence of demonstrable proof of harm to a
    patient.

    Given this massive setback for Polevoy, IAHF shares Bolen's question: Does
    Barrett still maintain faith in this guy to be heir to the so called
    quackbustin' throne when he goes into retirement? If so, IAHF does indeed
    feel a measure of real joy at the prospect of it, and sincerely wishes that
    Polevoy would only just move to a few more Canadian provinces, as well as
    back down to the states, but we only wish for him to live in states where
    health freedom legislation has not yet passed, as we feel his presence, his
    vitriolic attacks against alternative medicine would only continue to help
    us, just as it has in Ontario!

    So.... thank you Terry! You are indeed our good friend. Never thought I'd
    feel compelled to tell you so, but I do. Please continue making your
    unfounded attacks against us, because for every action, there is an exact
    and opposite reaction.
    --------------------------------------

    From: "Tim & Jan Bolen"
    To: "Millions of Health Freedom Fighters"
    Subject: "Quackpot Menace" CLUBBED in Canada...
    Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 13:55:52 -0800

    Opinion by Tim Bolen

    Stephen Barrett (www.quackwatch.com) may want to re-think his personal
    choice to succeed him on the North American "quackbuster" throne.

    His heir-apparent, US draft dodger turned Canadian, Terry Polevoy MD
    (www.healthwatcher.net), the pimple doctor making claims as an "altenative
    medicine critic" (sarcasm intended), has "blown it" big time in Canada's
    Ontario Province.

    Polevoy, who operates Canada's version of Barrett's "quackwatch.com," a
    propaganda website aimed at discrediting leading-edge health practitioners,
    and health philosophies Barrett doesn't agree with, was dealt the biggest
    blow the "quackbuster conspiracy" has ever been given. Barrett, and his
    minions, label leading edge health professionals "quacks."

    The Ontario government, in an official action, has formally declared the
    quackbuster philosophy as "bunk." Ontario holds one-third of Canada's entire
    population.

    Polevoy's website, "healthwatcher.com" is even more strident than Barrett's
    in its efforts to discredit and belittle health humanitarians who embrace
    natural approaches to health.

    The "quackbuster" organization, is sort of an organized idiocy, an attempt
    to legitimize medical backwardness. It is epitomized by the writings of
    "chief quackpot" Stephen Barrett. The government of New Zealand officially
    labeled Barrett's writings as "propaganda, and of no evidentiary value."

    Health leaders call Barrett, and company, "quackpots," and their
    organization "The Quackpot Menace."

    Both Barrett and Polevoy have been besieged with problems of late. Draft
    dodging Polevoy was under investigation by the College of Physicians and
    Surgeons of Ontario over charges filed against him raising issueS of
    professional misconduct due to his website activities, and his "stalking" of
    Canadian Radio personality Christine McPhee, and other females.

    Barrett's credibility has suffered a major downturn when certain facts were
    brought to light about his alleged qualifications. It turns out that Barrett
    has been de-licensed, and has not had a license to practice medicine in any
    State since 1993. Also, Barrett made claims to being "a retired
    Psychiatrist,' without benefit of ever having been board certified as a
    Pyschiatrist in the first place.

  2. I wonder what mirror that spamming Dave is looking in right now?

    The legislation protects licensed, or registered health professionals
    who practice alternative medicine. But, it doesn't protect quacks who
    sell products like ginseng to cure patients that they see, or convince
    them to join in their MLM schemes.

    In 1997 the CPSO in Ontario approved a policy that allowed medical
    doctors to practice complementary or alternative medicine. It was
    updated several times.

    http://www.cpso.on.ca/Policies/complement.htm

    College Policy #1-00

    In assessing patients, physicians should:

    Perform a pertinent history and physical examination of the patient
    (sufficient to make or confirm a conventional diagnosis) and to meet
    the appropriate standard of practice of the profession.
    Investigate, when necessary, utilizing generally accepted modalities
    pertinent to the complaint.
    Reach a conventional diagnosis that reasonable physicians would reach,
    supported by the data.
    Advise the patient of the usual and conventional treatment options,
    their risks, benefits and efficacy as reflected by current knowledge.
    Document all of the above in accordance with the regulations.
    In treating patients, physicians should:

    Have demonstrated education, knowledge, skills and currency in their
    area of practice.
    Act honestly and always in their patients' best interests.
    Provide sufficient information to allow patients to make informed
    choices, and to refer to, or consult with, others when the
    practitioner requires assistance or when the standard of practice
    requires it. It should not be misconduct to refer a patient, honestly
    and without conflict of interest, to unconventional or complementary
    practitioners when appropriate and when there is no reason to believe
    such a referral would expose the patient to harm.
    Not misrepresent information or opinion; patients must be given the
    general degree of certainty or uncertainty of efficacy of a given
    therapy, notwithstanding the practitioner's individual beliefs.
    In advancing knowledge, physicians engaged in providing treatments in
    areas of less well proven efficacy in any area of medicine should:

    Ensure that their patients are told the degree to which tests,
    treatments or remedies have been evaluated, and the degree of
    certainty and predictability that exists about their efficacy and
    safety.
    Be prepared to collaborate in the collection of information that can
    be appraised qualitatively or quantitatively, so that new knowledge is
    created, to be shared with, and critically appraised by, the
    profession.
    In assessing complaints or concerns related to the practice of
    complementary or unconventional medicine, the College should:

    Utilize standards developed with the assistance of all interested
    members of the profession.
    Expect members to assist in evaluation of their colleagues.
    Utilize standing advisory panels as discussed in the full report.

    --------------------------------------

    http://www.resultsproject.net/can_hl.html

    The Ontario law states that doctors should not be found guilty of
    professional misconduct or incompetence solely because they practise a
    nontraditional therapy "unless there is evidence that proves that the
    therapy poses a greater risk to a patient's health than the
    traditional or prevailing medicine."

    It does not protect hucksters, quacks, naturopaths, homeopaths, energy
    medical gurus, iridologists, visiting dentists or unlicensed American
    osteopaths who market their snake-oil to Canadians to cure serious and
    often fatal illnesses, does it Dave?

    You can read some of the debate. Pay attention to Helke Ferrie's
    testimony. She is one of the people who most likely come to anyone's
    defense, no matter how bad a doctor they are, as long as they
    practiced alternative medicine. She's married to a medical doctor,
    too.
    http://www.ontla.on.ca/hansard/37_parl/session1/Committees/GenGov/pdfG040.pdf

    If you have the energy to wade through this muckity muck, then it
    might be a good idea to do a Google search like this for another
    opinion.

    http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=site%3Ahealthwatcher%2Enet+helke+ferrie

    It leads to a post made by Helke Ferrie on the internet that repeats
    the defamatory comments that are the very subject of a major
    defamation suit against Hulda Clark, and Tim Bolen, et. al.
    http://www.healthwatcher.net/Quackerywatch/Quack-radio/message1445drclark.html

    http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/MCCFHC/message/1254

    So, if Dave goes to medical school, he too can cheer. If he treats
    patients and convinces them to buy his ginseng to cure their
    illnesses, he can be charged with practicing medicine without a
    license, or be sued by his customers. Even the Competition Bureau can
    charge him.

    So, the legislation doesn't count here.

    Vera

    "Dave Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Quackpot Menace Clubbed in Canada: Ontario Health Freedom
    Legislation Passes
    From: "International Advocates for Health Freedom"

    Read Tim Bolen's article below about the recent health freedom legislation
    that just passed in Ontario, Canada, home of supposed "Quackbuster" Terry
    Polevoy.

    I am sending Bolen's article to Polevoy (see his anti alternative medicine
    website at http://www.healthwatcher.net/ ) and to de licensed physician
    Stephen Barrett, another alleged "quackbuster" http://www.quackwatch.com/ to
    see if either of them have anything to say whatsoever about this most
    interesting situation.

  3. "Vera Teasdale" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I wonder what mirror that spamming Dave is looking in right now?

    The legislation protects licensed, or registered health professionals


    There is the problem.

  4. Quoted message said:


    "Vera Teasdale" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I wonder what mirror that spamming Dave is looking in right now?

    The legislation protects licensed, or registered health professionals


    There is the problem.

    No, Ass-Clown, that is part of the solution. The only way to protect the
    consumer is to ENFORCE the licensing & practice laws.

    Unlicensed, untrained, and unaccountable people have no business practicing
    medicine nor promoting supplements. Why, if we let such things go unchecked,
    some douche' bag would be telling people to drink urine to prevent cancer or
    some such pernicious non-sense.

    Let's leave healthcare to the Licensed Professionals, whether mainstream or
    alternative.

  5. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Dave Wickware said:

    Subject: Quackpot Menace Clubbed in Canada: Ontario Health Freedom
    Legislation Passes
    From: "International Advocates for Health Freedom"

    Read Tim Bolen's article below about the recent health freedom legislation
    that just passed in Ontario, Canada, home of supposed "Quackbuster" Terry
    Polevoy.

    Getting your information about Polevoy from Bolen is like getting your
    information about Jews and black people from the Ku Klux Klan.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  6. "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Dave Wickware said:

    Subject: Quackpot Menace Clubbed in Canada: Ontario Health Freedom
    Legislation Passes
    From: "International Advocates for Health Freedom"

    Read Tim Bolen's article below about the recent health freedom


    legislation

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    that just passed in Ontario, Canada, home of supposed "Quackbuster" Terry
    Polevoy.

    Getting your information about Polevoy from Bolen is like getting your
    information about Jews and black people from the Ku Klux Klan.

    Using that scale, I would think that you would probably get better
    information from the Klan.

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