Old steel vs. new aluminum

"Beans Baxter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Thanks to everybody that helped me out with my question
about upgrading a Panasonic DX-4000. I have another
question related to that bike. I have the opportunity to
purchase a used Trek 1000 and I was wondering what
people's opinion of the two frames are.

For those of you unfamilar with the Panasonic, it's a
lugged frame made with Tange 2 double-butted tubing. The
Trek 1000 is a year 2000 model aluminum frame. Thanks for
your help.

Beans Baxter

My opinion is to go with the steel frame. I would worry
about the life span of the Aluminium frame frame. Also
narrower tubes are generally more aero than fat tubes. The
Aluminium frame is probably a bit lighter but I know that
overall the weight difference is not significant. (For
example I would be better off not eating chips and
drinking beer.)

Marty

If the trek is cheap and it fits buy it. However you will be
more comfy riding the panasonic. I have a DX3000 and loved
riding it. It is now my errand bike meaning if it gets
stolen I wont be committed to an asylum. For long fast rides
I use my Lemond also steel as it is lighter and just as
comfortable.

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me out with my question about upgrading a Panasonic DX-
4000. I have another question related to that bike. I have
the opportunity to purchase a used Trek 1000 and I was
wondering what people's opinion

Beans Baxter said:

Thanks to everybody that helped me out with my question
about upgrading a Panasonic DX-4000. I have another
question related to that bike. I have the opportunity to
purchase a used Trek 1000 and I was wondering what people's
opinion of the two frames are.

For those of you unfamilar with the Panasonic, it's a
lugged frame made with Tange 2 double-butted tubing. The
Trek 1000 is a year 2000 model aluminum frame. Thanks for
your help.

Beans Baxter

As others have said, hard to compare them. Both are
nice bikes.

Geometry and fitting will be the big differences. I have
one bike with tight angles- probably similar to the
Trek. And one with more relaxed angles- probably similar
to the Panasonic. They ride differently. The tight one
is zippy and twitchy and fun. The relaxed one is steady
and smooth and fun.

Depending on my mood and where I am riding, I'll use either
bike. When I have had either one off the road, I am happy
with the one that works, and yet I miss riding the other
one. If the Trek feels good and you have money and room for
two bikes, get it? You can always sell one or the other
later if need be.

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My opinion is to go with the steel frame. I would worry
about the life

span

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of the Aluminium frame frame. Also narrower tubes are
generally more aero than fat tubes. The Aluminium frame is
probably a bit lighter but I know that overall the weight
difference is not significant. (For example I

would

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be better off not eating chips and drinking beer.)

Marty

Fear of life span is unwarrented. Both frames are designed
to similar risk standards, regardless of material. I'd
expect either to last more than 50,000 km unless you do lots
of pogo jumping (which isn't a common use for a road frame).

Bruce

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My opinion is to go with the steel frame. I would worry
about the life

span

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of the Aluminium frame frame. Also narrower tubes are
generally more

aero

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than fat tubes. The Aluminium frame is probably a bit
lighter but I know that overall the weight difference is
not significant. (For example I

would

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be better off not eating chips and drinking beer.)

Marty

Fear of life span is unwarrented. Both frames are designed
to similar

risk

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standards, regardless of material. I'd expect either to
last more than 50,000 km unless you do lots of pogo
jumping (which isn't a common use for

a

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road frame).

Bruce

They may be designed to similar risk standards but from my
own observations I've seen more Aluminium frames fail than
steel frames. I'm not knocking Aluminium frames but just
drawing conclusions from what I've seen.

Marty

Beans Baxter said:

Thanks to everybody that helped me out with my question
about upgrading a Panasonic DX-4000. I have another
question related to that bike. I have the opportunity to
purchase a used Trek 1000 and I was wondering what people's
opinion of the two frames are.

Noticeable differences will result from geometry and
componentry. Material is an immaterial concern (eh?).
--
Rick Onanian

maxo said:

The Panasonic's going to be slightly more shock
absorbent than the Trek--not tons, the Trek's ride is
pretty nice--but if you ride on bumpy pavement you'll
probably like it better.

If you ride on bumpy pavement a lot, the frame is not what
you should change. Instead, change to fatter tires and shock
absorbing seatpost and stem.
--
Rick Onanian

Steel or Aluminum; Boxers or Briefs; Bikini or Thong. It's
so personal, only you can decide which you prefer...
Personally, I don't like the way Aluminum bikes ride; feel
dead to me. Steel much better, plus steel w/lug construction
= old school. Old School good.

Beans Baxter said:

Thanks to everybody that helped me out with my question
about upgrading a Panasonic DX-4000. I have another
question related to that bike. I have the opportunity to
purchase a used Trek 1000 and I was wondering what
people's opinion of the two frames are.

For those of you unfamilar with the Panasonic, it's a
lugged frame made with Tange 2 double-butted tubing. The
Trek 1000 is a year 2000 model aluminum frame. Thanks for
your help.

Beans Baxter

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Steel or Aluminum; Boxers or Briefs; Bikini or Thong. It's
so personal, only you can decide which you prefer...
Personally, I don't like the way Aluminum bikes ride; feel
dead to me. Steel much better, plus steel w/lug
construction = old school. Old School good.

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DRS said:

Top posting bad.

folks with nothing better to do than point that out:

worse.

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DRS said:

Top posting bad.

folks with nothing better to do than point that out:

worse.

Rubbish. If nothing is said then how will the children
learn?

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Show me in the TOS where is says top posting is wrong...

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DRS said:

Top posting bad.

folks with nothing better to do than point that out:

worse.

Rubbish. If nothing is said then how will the
children learn?

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Show me in the TOS where is says top posting is wrong...

Nobody mentioned the TOS, moron.

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Show me in the TOS where is says top posting is wrong...

Bottom vs. top posting and quotation style on Usenet
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Wade your way through even one of those and then come back
an try to convince me that top-posting has any advantages to
the reader.

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Show me in the TOS where is says top posting is wrong...

Nobody mentioned the TOS, moron.

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This reminds me of the Jeopardy TV show where you have to
come up with the question to which the subject is the
answer. There would be nothing to that show if top posting
were logical. That's why the program has a challenging
interest. It is a classic of top posting.

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On Sun, 30 May 2004 07:44:27 +1000, DRS wrote:

> Top posting bad.

folks with nothing better to do than point that out:

worse.

Rubbish. If nothing is said then how will the children
learn?

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Show me in the TOS where is says top posting is wrong...

Look, dude, there are no "terms of service" for Usenet.
It's etiquette, pure and simple, like not slurping your
soup at lunch. Nobody's going to kick you out for either
behaviour, but don't be surprised if nobody wants to talk
to you, either.

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F1 said:

Show me in the TOS where is says top posting is wrong...

Er...whose TOS?
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F1 said:

Show me in the TOS where is says top posting is wrong...

Er...whose TOS?

Doofus -- don't you know TOS stands for The Original Series?
(vs. TNG for The Next Generation, DS9 for Deep Space Nine,
VOY for Voyager, and ENT for Enterprise).

Clearly, the OP is one of those Trekkers who hold to TOS
as the highest in the Star Trek universe, and doesn't want
to have anything else from other series cloud
Roddenberry's vision.

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