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  1. Okay..

    Now that we are talking about ice cream here..I have a question. This
    is related to the type of ice cream I used to get as a kid and a young
    adult.

    It seemed to me that ice cream of that time, say about 30+ years ago,
    was "chewier". It had texture..and was dense. When you bit into it,
    and took a bite of it, it just seemed like you had to chew it more.

    It was good that way. I don't know what made it that way, but I love
    it. The ice creams these days don't have that heft...that chewiness.
    Maybe I am blowing smoke, but do you all know what I mean? And more
    important, how do you achieve that in homemade ice cream?

    Christine

  2. "Christine Dabney" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Okay..

    Now that we are talking about ice cream here..I have a question. This
    is related to the type of ice cream I used to get as a kid and a young
    adult.

    It seemed to me that ice cream of that time, say about 30+ years ago,
    was "chewier". It had texture..and was dense. When you bit into it,
    and took a bite of it, it just seemed like you had to chew it more.

    It was good that way. I don't know what made it that way, but I love
    it. The ice creams these days don't have that heft...that chewiness.
    Maybe I am blowing smoke, but do you all know what I mean? And more
    important, how do you achieve that in homemade ice cream?

    Christine

    The simple answer everyone will give is that most ice creams have more and
    more air pumped into their formula.

    I get that texture, denseness, using raw milk/raw cream; very few will
    prefer this.
    I also believe that homogenizaion plays an important part.

    But I'm starting to sound like a broken record.
    Dee Dee

  3. pick up a half gallon of just about any store ice cream and one of Hagen Das
    and you will feel the difference in weight.

    "Dee Dee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Christine Dabney" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Okay..

    Now that we are talking about ice cream here..I have a question. This
    is related to the type of ice cream I used to get as a kid and a young
    adult.

    It seemed to me that ice cream of that time, say about 30+ years ago,
    was "chewier". It had texture..and was dense. When you bit into it,
    and took a bite of it, it just seemed like you had to chew it more.

    It was good that way. I don't know what made it that way, but I love
    it. The ice creams these days don't have that heft...that chewiness.
    Maybe I am blowing smoke, but do you all know what I mean? And more
    important, how do you achieve that in homemade ice cream?

    Christine

    The simple answer everyone will give is that most ice creams have more and
    more air pumped into their formula.

    I get that texture, denseness, using raw milk/raw cream; very few will
    prefer this.
    I also believe that homogenizaion plays an important part.

    But I'm starting to sound like a broken record.
    Dee Dee

  4. "Christine Dabney" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Okay..

    Now that we are talking about ice cream here..I have a question. This
    is related to the type of ice cream I used to get as a kid and a young
    adult.

    It seemed to me that ice cream of that time, say about 30+ years ago,
    was "chewier".

    There is a place here called Marble Slab Creamery that has heavy ice
    cream like that. I don't like it.

  5. "Christine Dabney" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Okay..

    Now that we are talking about ice cream here..I have a question. This
    is related to the type of ice cream I used to get as a kid and a young
    adult.

    It seemed to me that ice cream of that time, say about 30+ years ago,
    was "chewier". It had texture..and was dense. When you bit into it,
    and took a bite of it, it just seemed like you had to chew it more.

    It was good that way. I don't know what made it that way, but I love
    it. The ice creams these days don't have that heft...that chewiness.
    Maybe I am blowing smoke, but do you all know what I mean? And more
    important, how do you achieve that in homemade ice cream?

    Christine

    I think a lot of it has to do w/ the use of cheap corn syrup. Corn syrup
    doesn't give the same texture as sugar. IMO it makes things a little
    slimey.
    Also the more air that can be pumped into ice-cream the higher the profit
    margin. Some of the value priced ice creams have the texture of frozen cool
    whip. I find it pretty disgusting.

  6. Christine Dabney said:

    Okay..

    Now that we are talking about ice cream here..I have a question. This
    is related to the type of ice cream I used to get as a kid and a young
    adult.

    It seemed to me that ice cream of that time, say about 30+ years ago,
    was "chewier". It had texture..and was dense. When you bit into it,
    and took a bite of it, it just seemed like you had to chew it more.


    Christine,
    here's some good info from Alton Brown's premium ice cream
    episode...

    http://www.goodeatsfanpage.com/Season9/ice_cream/churn_baby_churn_ii.htm

    I've been pleased with the results.

    ...fred

  7. "cybercat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Christine Dabney" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Okay..

    Now that we are talking about ice cream here..I have a question. This
    is related to the type of ice cream I used to get as a kid and a young
    adult.

    It seemed to me that ice cream of that time, say about 30+ years ago,
    was "chewier".

    There is a place here called Marble Slab Creamery that has heavy ice
    cream like that. I don't like it.


    There is also a Cold Stone Creamery (I think I have the right name, but it
    is not heavy; in fact, to me, it is very feathery.
    Somehow even though it is not too sweet, the taste is cloying.
    Dee Dee

  8. Christine Dabney said:

    Okay..

    Now that we are talking about ice cream here..I have a question. This
    is related to the type of ice cream I used to get as a kid and a young
    adult.

    It seemed to me that ice cream of that time, say about 30+ years ago,
    was "chewier". It had texture..and was dense. When you bit into it,
    and took a bite of it, it just seemed like you had to chew it more.

    It was good that way. I don't know what made it that way, but I love
    it. The ice creams these days don't have that heft...that chewiness.
    Maybe I am blowing smoke, but do you all know what I mean? And more
    important, how do you achieve that in homemade ice cream?


    Have you made any ice cream yet? I think you're going to be in for a
    nice surprise!

    --

    Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedies. Groucho Marks

  9. "kuvasz guy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Christine Dabney said:

    Okay..

    Now that we are talking about ice cream here..I have a question. This
    is related to the type of ice cream I used to get as a kid and a young
    adult.

    It seemed to me that ice cream of that time, say about 30+ years ago,
    was "chewier". It had texture..and was dense. When you bit into it,
    and took a bite of it, it just seemed like you had to chew it more.


    Christine,
    here's some good info from Alton Brown's premium ice cream
    episode...

    http://www.goodeatsfanpage.com/Season9/ice_cream/churn_baby_churn_ii.htm

    Quoted message said:

    I've been pleased with the results.

    ..fred


    I second this. Here is the recipe from foodnetwork.

    This is the best ice cream instructions I've seen; I learned from it.
    Follow it, and you've made excellent ice cream.
    Here is the recipe for the vanilla. Look at the bottom of the page for the
    mint and chocolate recipes.

    http://www.foodnetwork.com/food/recipes/recipe/0,1977,FOOD_9936_31228,00.html

    The only difference for me is that I used 2 cups cream and 1 cup of whole
    milk. It probably evens out to the same as his cream and half-half ratio;
    Brown uses 8 egg yolks, I use 6 for the 3 cups.

    However, Brown's receipes do call for 4 cups. My Cuisinart makes only 3
    cups; I believe 3 cups is standard machine. And a 'lot' of recipes for ice
    cream call for 4 cups of ingredients.

    But now, I can make any ice cream I want without really following a recipe.
    It's Brown that I owe my thanks!
    Dee Dee

  10. Christine Dabney said:


    Okay..

    Now that we are talking about ice cream here..I have a question. This
    is related to the type of ice cream I used to get as a kid and a young
    adult.

    It seemed to me that ice cream of that time, say about 30+ years ago,
    was "chewier". It had texture..and was dense. When you bit into it,
    and took a bite of it, it just seemed like you had to chew it more.

    It was good that way. I don't know what made it that way, but I love
    it. The ice creams these days don't have that heft...that chewiness.
    Maybe I am blowing smoke, but do you all know what I mean? And more
    important, how do you achieve that in homemade ice cream?

    Christine

    You can find that "old fashioned" ice cream at high end ice cream
    outlets, but not in the grocery store generally.

    It's simple economics a.k.a. greed mostly. Ice cream is sold by volume,
    not weight, therefore if the manufacturer whips more air into the ice
    cream, they are able to put a smaller volume of ingredients into that
    half gallon container of ice cream. This didn't raise their profits
    enough apparently so now they have also resorted to the 1.75 gal
    containers to give you still less product for the same price.

    If you get your ice cream at a "real" dairy type store you'll in all
    probability get the proper high fat, low air, emulsifier free ice cream
    you want. If there isn't a suitable source nearby, make your own ice
    cream, it isn't that difficult. You don't need to do the old fashioned
    ice and rock salt thing anymore, there are good ice cream makers
    available at a reasonable cost. I use the Kitchenaid ice cream maker
    attachment with my Hobart mixer, if you store the attachment in the
    freezer it's always ready for instant use.

    Pete C.

  11. SantaSteeler said:

    pick up a half gallon of just about any store ice cream and one of
    Hagen Das and you will feel the difference in weight.

    You'll feel the difference at check out too.

    Brian

    --
    If televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who
    won't shut up.
    -- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com)

  12. Dee Dee said:


    "cybercat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Christine Dabney" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Okay..

    Now that we are talking about ice cream here..I have a question. This
    is related to the type of ice cream I used to get as a kid and a young
    adult.

    It seemed to me that ice cream of that time, say about 30+ years ago,
    was "chewier".

    There is a place here called Marble Slab Creamery that has heavy ice
    cream like that. I don't like it.


    There is also a Cold Stone Creamery (I think I have the right name, but it
    is not heavy; in fact, to me, it is very feathery.
    Somehow even though it is not too sweet, the taste is cloying.
    Dee Dee

    Both Marble Slab and Cold Stone around here, pretty much the same thing.
    Both have ice cream that is significantly better than the mass market
    grocery store ice creams, but still not quite up to the level of the ice
    cream at "real" dairy stores like Braum's and others.

    Pete C.

  13. Christine Dabney said:

    Okay..

    Now that we are talking about ice cream here..I have a question. This
    is related to the type of ice cream I used to get as a kid and a young
    adult.

    It seemed to me that ice cream of that time, say about 30+ years ago,
    was "chewier". It had texture..and was dense. When you bit into it,
    and took a bite of it, it just seemed like you had to chew it more.

    It was good that way. I don't know what made it that way, but I love
    it. The ice creams these days don't have that heft...that chewiness.
    Maybe I am blowing smoke, but do you all know what I mean? And more
    important, how do you achieve that in homemade ice cream?

    Because mass produced ice creams whip in extra air to make it fluffier
    and lighter, it's called "over run". All national brands whip in
    extra air, some more than others. but they all do it. The only way to
    get the old fashioned ice cream that you remember is to make your own
    or to go to an old fashioned ice cream parlor that makes their own on
    the premises and does not sell nationally or even regionally, it's all
    made and all consumed/sold on premises. Even so called national brand
    premium ice creams are not really premium, why, because there's no
    quality control once it's out of the hands of the manufacturer; it
    will never be kept at proper temperature and it will always pick up
    noxious odors. Arguing quality/premium ice creams and those shipped
    from point of manufacture in the same breath is pure lunacy, only
    absolute imbeciles think any ice cream sold at the stupidmarket is
    premium, those folks are certifiably mentally retarded Haagen Dazs
    is NOT premium ice cream, not even close, actually it's [censored]... it
    does not really qualify as ice cream at all, because of all the sugary
    goop in most of it's versions it's more a confection, really just a
    frozen candy bar.

    If it's factory packaged it's not premium ice cream, only that you
    make yourself or hand dipped from a made on premises ice cream parlor
    qualifies as premium ice cream.

    Sheldon

  14. Christine Dabney said:

    It seemed to me that ice cream of that time, say about 30+ years ago,
    was "chewier". It had texture..and was dense. When you bit into it,
    and took a bite of it, it just seemed like you had to chew it more.

    Try some gelato. It should - if it's a quality gelato - have the
    least overrun (least amount of air whipped into it).

    -sw

  15. One time on Usenet said:

    Okay..

    Now that we are talking about ice cream here..I have a question. This
    is related to the type of ice cream I used to get as a kid and a young
    adult.

    It seemed to me that ice cream of that time, say about 30+ years ago,
    was "chewier". It had texture..and was dense. When you bit into it,
    and took a bite of it, it just seemed like you had to chew it more.

    It was good that way. I don't know what made it that way, but I love
    it. The ice creams these days don't have that heft...that chewiness.
    Maybe I am blowing smoke, but do you all know what I mean? And more
    important, how do you achieve that in homemade ice cream?

    I'm not really familiar with the style of ice cream you're talking
    about, but I wonder if extra egg yolks might help? Do you have
    a recipe to work with?

    --
    Jani in WA

  16. Little Malice said:


    One time on Usenet said:

    Okay..

    Now that we are talking about ice cream here..I have a question. This
    is related to the type of ice cream I used to get as a kid and a young
    adult.

    It seemed to me that ice cream of that time, say about 30+ years ago,
    was "chewier". It had texture..and was dense. When you bit into it,
    and took a bite of it, it just seemed like you had to chew it more.

    It was good that way. I don't know what made it that way, but I love
    it. The ice creams these days don't have that heft...that chewiness.
    Maybe I am blowing smoke, but do you all know what I mean? And more
    important, how do you achieve that in homemade ice cream?

    I'm not really familiar with the style of ice cream you're talking
    about, but I wonder if extra egg yolks might help? Do you have
    a recipe to work with?

    --
    Jani in WA

    If she makes nearly any recipe of home made ice cream she will get the
    texture she is looking for.

    The "new" texture ice cream she's referring to is the lousy over aerated
    mass market "ice cream" found in the grocery store. Home made ice cream
    will have the proper level of aeration and will generally have a proper
    custard base, rather than every cheap gum and emulsifier known to man.

    Pete C.

  17. (Little Malice) said:
    Christine Dabney said:

    Now that we are talking about ice cream here..I have a question. This
    is related to the type of ice cream I used to get as a kid and a young
    adult.

    Quoted message said:

    It seemed to me that ice cream of that time, say about 30+ years ago,
    was "chewier". It had texture..and was dense. When you bit into it,
    and took a bite of it, it just seemed like you had to chew it more.

    Quoted message said:

    It was good that way. I don't know what made it that way, but I love
    it. The ice creams these days don't have that heft...that chewiness.
    Maybe I am blowing smoke, but do you all know what I mean? And more
    important, how do you achieve that in homemade ice cream?

    I'm not really familiar with the style of ice cream you're talking
    about, but I wonder if extra egg yolks might help? Do you have
    a recipe to work with?

    As soon as eggs are added it's no longer true ice cream, with eggs it
    becomes frozen custard (or what some call french ice cream).

    ice cream
    America's favorite dessert is thought to have originated in the
    mountains of ancient China, with snow probably used as the base.
    Today's ice cream is made with a combination of milk products (usually
    cream combined with fresh, condensed or dry milk), a sweetening agent
    (sugar, honey, corn syrup or artificial sweetener) and sometimes solid
    additions such as pieces of chocolate, nuts, fruit and so on.
    According to FDA regulations, ice creams with solid additions must
    contain a minimum of 8 percent milk fat, while plain ice creams must
    have at least 10 percent milk fat. French ice cream has a cooked egg-
    custard base. Ice milk is made in much the same way as ice cream,
    except for the fact that it contains less milk fat and milk solids.
    The result, other than a lowered calorie count, is a lighter, less
    creamy texture. Commercial ice creams usually contain stabilizers to
    improve both texture and body, and to help make them melt resistant.
    Many also contain artificial coloring. Those made with natural
    flavorings (for instance, chocolate) will be labeled simply "Chocolate
    Ice Cream." If the majority of the flavoring is natural with a boost
    from an artificial-flavor source, the label will read "Chocolate-
    Flavored Ice Cream"; if over 50 percent of the flavoring is artificial
    it will read "Artificial Chocolate Ice Cream." All commercial ice
    creams have "overrun," a term applied to the amount of air they
    contain. The percentage of overrun ranges from 0 (no air) to 200, a
    theoretical figure that would be all air. The legal overrun limit for
    ice cream is 100 percent, which would amount to half air. Ice cream
    needs some air or it would be rock-hard. But one with 100 percent
    overrun would have so little body that it would feel mushy in the
    mouth; it would also melt extremely fast. An ice cream with the more
    desirable proportion of 20 to 50 percent overrun (10 to 25 percent
    air) would be denser, creamier and eminently more satisfying. Since
    the overrun is not listed on the package, the only way to be
    absolutely sure is to weigh the carton. Ice cream with a 50 percent
    overrun (25 percent air) will weigh about 18 ounces per pint (subtract
    about 1 1/2 ounces for the weight of the container). The weight of the
    ice cream will be proportionately higher with a lower percentage of
    overrun.

    During storage, ice cream has a tendency to absorb other food odors
    and to form ice crystals. For that reason, it's best not to freeze it
    for more than 2 to 3 days. Sealing the carton airtight in a plastic
    bag will extend storage life up to a week.

    ? Copyright Barron's Educational Services, Inc. 1995 based on THE FOOD
    LOVER'S COMPANION, 2nd edition, by Sharon Tyler Herbst.

    Sheldon

  18. Christine Dabney said:

    it. The ice creams these days don't have that heft...that chewiness.

    Gelato.

    You want some gelato.

    Quoted message said:

    Maybe I am blowing smoke, but do you all know what I mean? And more
    important, how do you achieve that in homemade ice cream?

    You also want to be 30 years younger and able to eat
    a hot fudge sundae the size of your head.

    --Blair

  19. Blair P. Houghton said:
    Christine Dabney said:

    it. The ice creams these days don't have that heft...that chewiness.

    Gelato.

    You want some gelato.


    Okay, that is more than one person that has mentioned gelato. Looks
    like I need to make gelato.

    Quoted message said:

    You also want to be 30 years younger and able to eat
    a hot fudge sundae the size of your head.

    Did that about 40 years ago.

    Christine

  20. "Christine Dabney" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Blair P. Houghton said:
    Christine Dabney said:

    it. The ice creams these days don't have that heft...that chewiness.

    Gelato.

    You want some gelato.


    Okay, that is more than one person that has mentioned gelato. Looks
    like I need to make gelato.

    Quoted message said:

    You also want to be 30 years younger and able to eat
    a hot fudge sundae the size of your head.

    Did that about 40 years ago.

    Christine

    Before I would buy a 'gelato maker' I'd try to find out if it makes 'ice
    cream' also, or if there is a certain type of compressor for gelato vs. ice
    cream which gauges the temperature and cfm, etc. I mentioned this
    previously here this posting, and have postings before, and I've tried to
    find out, but haven't so far. Seems, "nobody knows."

    Also if you haven't eaten a lot of gelato, if the case be that a gelato
    maker is only for making gelato, I'd be sure that you really like gelato vs.
    ice cream. I like gelato, but give me ice cream anytime.

    Dee Dee

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