Okay, the Giro is over, ...

Colin Campbell said:

and I haven't read about any findings of doping yet.

I guess the drug labs used in the Giro aren't as capable of producing
positives as that one in Paris.

They're just not as motivated.

Colin Campbell said:

Speeds in the TdF have been MUCH higher. I wonder if that will be true
this year?

France has much different terrain than Italy.

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Fred Fredburger said:

Colin Campbell said:

and I haven't read about any findings of doping yet.

I guess the drug labs used in the Giro aren't as capable of producing
positives as that one in Paris.

They're just not as motivated.

Some of the other labs do seem to be super motivated to get positives, don't they?
Hmm, should we be wondering if the labs are doping (so to speak)?

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Fred Fredburger said:

Colin Campbell said:

and I haven't read about any findings of doping yet.

Quoted message said:

I guess the drug labs used in the Giro aren't as capable of producing
positives as that one in Paris.

They're just not as motivated.

Yep...just had the Bolder Boulder here and a bunch of elite runners
hauled ass for the for $ 10k....Kenyans and Ethiopians 'ran away' with
it again, of course...ya think they test for EPO? 'If yer afraid of
the answer, don't ask the question'...

Colin Campbell said:

and I haven't read about any findings of doping yet.

I guess the drug labs used in the Giro aren't as capable of producing
positives as that one in Paris.

That's probably the case....

Quoted message said:

Or, maybe only clean riders ride in the Giro, due to the "piano" stages
that let them rest for hours on end.

Can you rest while riding 24 mph for 80 miles before the real racing
starts?

Quoted message said:

The average speed for the race was under 38 kph. That is a speed I can
almost comprehend, although I could never hope to reach it myself.

I dropped all of the "real" climbers on a recent ride while averaging
12 mph or less than 20 kph. 38 kph is an average speed of 23.5 mph
which would look good in a lot of crits, let alone 2000 miles of
racing.

Quoted message said:

Speeds in the TdF have been MUCH higher. I wonder if that will be true
this year?

Remember that this year's Giro set an average speed record. What does
that tell you about the people claiming that you have to dope to make
these super high speeds?

Quoted message said:

Colin Campbell said:

Speeds in the TdF have been MUCH higher. I wonder if that will be true
this year?

France has much different terrain than Italy.

Come on Robert. Remember this thing called "conversation"? France does
not have "much different terrain" than Italy. But the races are
arrange to cover different sorts of terrain.

cyclintom said:

I dropped all of the "real" climbers on a recent ride while averaging
12 mph or less than 20 kph.

I shudder to think what speed the unreal climbers were doing.

Quoted message said:

38 kph is an average speed of 23.5 mph which would look good in a lot of crits,

It would have to be a very hilly or very windy tactical criterium for
38Kph to look remotely good.

Quoted message said:

Colin Campbell said:

and I haven't read about any findings of doping yet.

I guess the drug labs used in the Giro aren't as capable of producing
positives as that one in Paris.

That's probably the case....

Quoted message said:

Or, maybe only clean riders ride in the Giro, due to the "piano" stages
that let them rest for hours on end.

Can you rest while riding 24 mph for 80 miles before the real racing
starts?

From what the commentators were saying about Stage 21, the riders
averaged around 28 kph (17 mph) for the first 60% or so of the "parade"
into Milano. There were other days when they completely blew the
slowest expected finishing time. The "As Live" reruns on Cycling.TV
lasted over three hours on some stages. 24 mph is what the winner
averaged for the entire race.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The average speed for the race was under 38 kph. That is a speed I can
almost comprehend, although I could never hope to reach it myself.

I dropped all of the "real" climbers on a recent ride while averaging
12 mph or less than 20 kph. 38 kph is an average speed of 23.5 mph
which would look good in a lot of crits, let alone 2000 miles of
racing.

Quoted message said:

Speeds in the TdF have been MUCH higher. I wonder if that will be true
this year?

Remember that this year's Giro set an average speed record. What does
that tell you about the people claiming that you have to dope to make
these super high speeds?

I wasn't aware that this year's race was a record for speed. I'll have
to bone up on those stats, I guess.

This was posted in fun.

Colin Campbell said:

Quoted message said:

Colin Campbell said:

and I haven't read about any findings of doping yet.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I guess the drug labs used in the Giro aren't as capable of producing
positives as that one in Paris.

Quoted message said:

That's probably the case....

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Or, maybe only clean riders ride in the Giro, due to the "piano" stages
that let them rest for hours on end.

Quoted message said:

Can you rest while riding 24 mph for 80 miles before the real racing
starts?

From what the commentators were saying about Stage 21, the riders
averaged around 28 kph (17 mph) for the first 60% or so of the "parade"
into Milano. There were other days when they completely blew the
slowest expected finishing time. The "As Live" reruns on Cycling.TV
lasted over three hours on some stages. 24 mph is what the winner
averaged for the entire race.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The average speed for the race was under 38 kph. That is a speed I can
almost comprehend, although I could never hope to reach it myself.

Quoted message said:

I dropped all of the "real" climbers on a recent ride while averaging
12 mph or less than 20 kph. 38 kph is an average speed of 23.5 mph
which would look good in a lot of crits, let alone 2000 miles of
racing.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Speeds in the TdF have been MUCH higher. I wonder if that will be true
this year?

Quoted message said:

Remember that this year's Giro set an average speed record. What does
that tell you about the people claiming that you have to dope to make
these super high speeds?

I wasn't aware that this year's race was a record for speed. I'll have
to bone up on those stats, I guess.

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There weren't that many strong cyclists in the Giro. Most of the elite
are waiting for the Tour.

Andre

Andre said:

Colin Campbell said:

Quoted message said:

On Jun 5, 10:00 pm, Colin Campbell <[email hidden]> wrote:
> and I haven't read about any findings of doping yet.
> I guess the drug labs used in the Giro aren't as capable of producing
> positives as that one in Paris.
That's probably the case....
> Or, maybe only clean riders ride in the Giro, due to the "piano" stages
> that let them rest for hours on end.
Can you rest while riding 24 mph for 80 miles before the real racing
starts?

From what the commentators were saying about Stage 21, the riders
averaged around 28 kph (17 mph) for the first 60% or so of the "parade"
into Milano. There were other days when they completely blew the
slowest expected finishing time. The "As Live" reruns on Cycling.TV
lasted over three hours on some stages. 24 mph is what the winner
averaged for the entire race.

Quoted message said:

> The average speed for the race was under 38 kph. That is a speed I can
> almost comprehend, although I could never hope to reach it myself.
I dropped all of the "real" climbers on a recent ride while averaging
12 mph or less than 20 kph. 38 kph is an average speed of 23.5 mph
which would look good in a lot of crits, let alone 2000 miles of
racing.
> Speeds in the TdF have been MUCH higher. I wonder if that will be true
> this year?
Remember that this year's Giro set an average speed record. What does
that tell you about the people claiming that you have to dope to make
these super high speeds?

I wasn't aware that this year's race was a record for speed. I'll have
to bone up on those stats, I guess.

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There weren't that many strong cyclists in the Giro. Most of the elite
are waiting for the Tour.

Andre

I agree with you there. Who ever heard of "Leaky Gas" being the
strongmen of a major tour? Jens Voigt could have changed things for
Andy Schleck if he'd been there.

Still, it was entertaining....

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Colin Campbell said:

and I haven't read about any findings of doping yet.

I guess the drug labs used in the Giro aren't as capable of producing
positives as that one in Paris.

That's probably the case....

Quoted message said:

Or, maybe only clean riders ride in the Giro, due to the "piano" stages
that let them rest for hours on end.

Can you rest while riding 24 mph for 80 miles before the real racing
starts?

From what the commentators were saying about Stage 21, the riders averaged
around 28 kph (17 mph) for the first 60% or so of the "parade" into
Milano.

Well, while it's true that the Giro is a heck of a lot more laid back than
the Tour, remember that someone sitting in a small room filled with cigar
smoke and drinking beer can say a whole lot of things that he could never
personally do himself.

That may be a "parade" compared to what they are capable of doing, let's
remember that their parade is twice the speed that most wannabees can do.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Remember that this year's Giro set an average speed record. What does
that tell you about the people claiming that you have to dope to make
these super high speeds?

I wasn't aware that this year's race was a record for speed. I'll have to
bone up on those stats, I guess.

This was posted in fun.

And I'm just conversing about it with you. Nothing more than that. No hidden
agendas or anything.

Though half the posters here will now claim that I'm pro-drugs-in-sport.

Quoted message said:

And I'm just conversing about it with you. Nothing more than that. No

hidden

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agendas or anything.

Though half the posters here will now claim that I'm pro-drugs-in-sport.

Frankly Tom, we do not give a $hit about what you say.

Colin Campbell said:

and I haven't read about any findings of doping yet.

I guess the drug labs used in the Giro aren't as capable of producing
positives as that one in Paris.

Or, maybe only clean riders ride in the Giro, due to the "piano" stages
that let them rest for hours on end.

The average speed for the race was under 38 kph. That is a speed I can
almost comprehend, although I could never hope to reach it myself.

Speeds in the TdF have been MUCH higher. I wonder if that will be true
this year?

the giro is always like that... i was watching on video and thought gee,
26 k, i could keep up with those guys! They only seemed to turn on the
gas at the last 60k. It's always a slower race and more relaxed...the
fans actually get to SEE them! Maybe becuase it's the first grand tour
of the season, so why kill yourself, especially when you have to hit
climbs like the Mortirolo or the Zoncolan in the 3rd week? Go full
throttle and you'll never make it, let alone make it to the tour.