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  1. I posted a message here awhile back that said something about recumbent
    owners being crazy. Now I take that back, I have been riding my regular road
    bike for a couple of months now, and my back is starting to act up again
    (now I know why I stopped riding) and can now appreciate the support of a
    recumbent seat. You are not mentally ill. I am! Anyway - now that I have
    realized the huge advantage of a bent, I am going to start on my first
    project bent. I have several donor bicycles in my garage, and have started
    to remove all the bolt on parts, I haven't cut anything into pieces yet. I
    know that most of the department store type bikes are pretty cheaply made,
    but surely there are some parts / components that can be used in the
    construction of a bent. Being that this will be my first attempt I am not
    expecting it to be the best home built recumbent in the world! Actually if
    it even can be ridden at all I will be amazed. I am not really going to
    follow any "plans" more just follow plans in my head. Question 1: Are there
    any components that should be absolutely avoided from dept store bikes? I
    have a Ross comfort bike, a Murray legacy 10 speed, and a huffy Santa Fe 12
    speed so far for parts. Oh yeah I should mention that the area where I live
    has no real LBS nearest on is about an hour and half away by car.

    Ken

    --
    It has yet to be proven that intelligence has any survival value.
    Arthur C. Clarke
    English physicist & science fiction author (1917 - )

  2. Ken Marcet said:

    ...Being that this will be my first attempt I am not
    expecting it to be the best home built recumbent in the world! Actually if
    it even can be ridden at all I will be amazed....

    See <http://www.mile43.com/peterson/wb.html>.

    I saw a "Huffy Easy" once - a Tour Easy clone built from old Huffy
    parts. It easily weighed more than 1/40 of a ton.

    --
    Tom Sherman - Rock Island County Illinois
    Tetrahedral carbon lattices are not forever.

  3. "Ken Marcet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I posted a message here awhile back that said something about recumbent
    owners being crazy. Now I take that back, I have been riding my regular
    road
    bike for a couple of months now, and my back is starting to act up again
    (now I know why I stopped riding) and can now appreciate the support of a
    recumbent seat. You are not mentally ill. I am! Anyway - now that I have
    realized the huge advantage of a bent, I am going to start on my first
    project bent. I have several donor bicycles in my garage, and have
    started
    to remove all the bolt on parts, I haven't cut anything into pieces yet.
    I
    know that most of the department store type bikes are pretty cheaply made,
    but surely there are some parts / components that can be used in the
    construction of a bent. Being that this will be my first attempt I am not
    expecting it to be the best home built recumbent in the world! Actually if
    it even can be ridden at all I will be amazed. I am not really going to
    follow any "plans" more just follow plans in my head. Question 1: Are
    there
    any components that should be absolutely avoided from dept store bikes? I
    have a Ross comfort bike, a Murray legacy 10 speed, and a huffy Santa Fe
    12
    speed so far for parts. Oh yeah I should mention that the area where I
    live
    has no real LBS nearest on is about an hour and half away by car.

    Ken:

    Please destroy those Murray frames before the punk Columbine type high
    school kid killers steal them to make their pipe bombs. If you want to
    practice welding on those frames do so, just be sure to destroy them when
    you are done. I'll bet you can make nicer welds on your first try than you
    find on the Murrays. But don't be too quick to chop up Ross frames - there
    are some good ones that deserve to stay intact.

    Now then, if you look around you can find older road bikes with proper
    chromemoly frames and good components for as little as $35.00 or so. As you
    pass a yard sale always scan for bikes. If you are a dump picker kind of guy
    you can find what you need and get them for free. The price of the used
    parts will always be small compared to the effort you will make. eBay is
    mega source for used parts. I suggest you use friction shifting so you can
    mix components as needed.

    You could also buy Easy Racer clone plans. Why not work toward something
    that will be a pleasure to ride when you are finished.

    Home builders are not hard to find on the internet and they are usually more
    than happy to provide detailed information and photos. Look for them.

    Good luck.

    skip

  4. skip said:

    ...
    Please destroy those Murray frames before the punk Columbine type high
    school kid killers steal them to make their pipe bombs....

    While the punishment of death was too severe for their sins, several of
    the "victims" at Columbine had done plenty to provoke the retribution.
    The school authorities share some of the blame for allowing the
    privileged (i.e. athletes, popular students from more affluent families)
    to constantly engage in physical and verbal abuse of lower social status
    students. If the double standard had not existed, the situation would
    almost certainly never have escalated out of control.

    Ye who sow the wind shall reap the storm.

    --
    Tom Sherman

  5. "Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    skip said:

    ...
    Please destroy those Murray frames before the punk Columbine type high
    school kid killers steal them to make their pipe bombs....

    While the punishment of death was too severe for their sins, several of
    the "victims" at Columbine had done plenty to provoke the retribution. The
    school authorities share some of the blame for allowing the privileged
    (i.e. athletes, popular students from more affluent families) to
    constantly engage in physical and verbal abuse of lower social status
    students. If the double standard had not existed, the situation would
    almost certainly never have escalated out of control.

    Ye who sow the wind shall reap the storm.

    --
    Tom Sherman

    GAG!

  6. skip said:

    GAG!

    Happy to oblige.

    --
    Tom Sherman

  7. "Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    skip said:

    GAG!

    Happy to oblige.

    --

    Quoted message said:

    Tom Sherman

    Oh what a wonderful world it would be if we could all be losers. Isn't that
    right Tom?

    skip

  8. "Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    skip said:

    ...
    Please destroy those Murray frames before the punk Columbine type high
    school kid killers steal them to make their pipe bombs....

    While the punishment of death was too severe for their sins, several of
    the "victims" at Columbine had done plenty to provoke the retribution.
    The school authorities share some of the blame for allowing the
    privileged (i.e. athletes, popular students from more affluent families)
    to constantly engage in physical and verbal abuse of lower social status
    students. If the double standard had not existed, the situation would
    almost certainly never have escalated out of control.

    Ye who sow the wind shall reap the storm.

    --
    Tom Sherman

    That is about the most absurd and pathetic explanation of a massacre I have
    ever read

  9. skip said:

    "Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    skip said:

    GAG!

    Happy to oblige.

    --

    Quoted message said:

    Tom Sherman

    Oh what a wonderful world it would be if we could all be losers. Isn't that
    right Tom?

    You tell me Skip.

    --
    Tom Sherman - [ ]

  10. Mark Leuck said:

    "Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    skip said:

    ...
    Please destroy those Murray frames before the punk Columbine type high
    school kid killers steal them to make their pipe bombs....

    While the punishment of death was too severe for their sins, several of
    the "victims" at Columbine had done plenty to provoke the retribution.
    The school authorities share some of the blame for allowing the
    privileged (i.e. athletes, popular students from more affluent families)
    to constantly engage in physical and verbal abuse of lower social status
    students. If the double standard had not existed, the situation would
    almost certainly never have escalated out of control.

    Ye who sow the wind shall reap the storm.

    --
    Tom Sherman

    That is about the most absurd and pathetic explanation of a massacre I have
    ever read

    You have not understood what you have seen, and have obviously learned
    nothing.

    I find it tragically comical the way people are shocked when violence
    leads to retaliation, as they have self-deluded themselves into
    believing they are morally superior when they are not.

    Enjoy the repercussions of violence by those in power!

    --
    Tom Sherman - [ ]

  11. "Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    skip said:

    "Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    skip wrote:

    >GAG!

    Happy to oblige.

    --

    Quoted message said:

    Tom Sherman

    Oh what a wonderful world it would be if we could all be losers. Isn't
    that right Tom?

    You tell me Skip.

    --
    Tom Sherman - [ ]

    Well from reading your post I'm thinking if everyone had lower loser social
    status then there would be no privileged athletes, no popular students from
    affluent families (the punk Goth loser killers were from affluent families
    too as I recall), and no school authorities to share the blame or to allow
    verbal abuse of the lower social status losers. We would reap only what we
    could sow. More lower social status losers. And of course that would mean
    affluent families for the most part would disappear in a generation. No more
    double standards. No more victimizations. No more pep rallies. No more
    victory celebrations. No more gloating. No more winners - just losers.

    Everyone would be assigned to the lower loser social class. The best of all
    possible worlds, wouldn't you think, Tom?

    skip

  12. On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 18:11:38 GMT, "Mark Leuck" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:


    "Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    While the punishment of death was too severe for their sins, several of
    the "victims" at Columbine had done plenty to provoke the retribution.
    The school authorities share some of the blame for allowing the
    privileged (i.e. athletes, popular students from more affluent families)
    to constantly engage in physical and verbal abuse of lower social status
    students.
    ...
    Ye who sow the wind shall reap the storm.


    That is about the most absurd and pathetic explanation of a massacre I have
    ever read

    Tommy must have spent part of Friday in the dumpster again...

  13. skip said:

    Well from reading your post I'm thinking if everyone had lower loser social
    status then there would be no privileged athletes, no popular students from
    affluent families (the punk Goth loser killers were from affluent families
    too as I recall), and no school authorities to share the blame or to allow
    verbal abuse of the lower social status losers. We would reap only what we
    could sow. More lower social status losers. And of course that would mean
    affluent families for the most part would disappear in a generation. No more
    double standards. No more victimizations. No more pep rallies. No more
    victory celebrations. No more gloating. No more winners - just losers.

    Everyone would be assigned to the lower loser social class. The best of all
    possible worlds, wouldn't you think, Tom?

    When I was in primary education, I witnessed many instances of double
    standards. If one of the students that had parents that were "nobodies"
    (and/or were themselves of the lower social status among the student
    population) physically assaulted another student they would be punished
    by suspensions of various lengths, put in special classes for disruptive
    students, etc. Yet several students who were starters in sports that had
    parents with prominent positions in the community were allowed to punch,
    shove, and verbally abuse less popular students on a regular basis with
    no intervention from school authorities.

    While retaliation with deadly force is not morally justified in such
    instances, the temptation to use it is certainly justified.

    We see this on a larger scale, where nations proclaim their moral
    goodness, but then commit military and economic violence against weaker
    nations. Then the citizens of the abusing nations suffer "shock and
    horror" when someone hits back.

    It is long past time for people with privilege to gain some empathy for
    how their actions affect others. It is rather unbecoming to behave in an
    immoral manner, and them complain about the immoral retributive actions
    of others.

    --
    Tom Sherman - [ ]

  14. Zippy the Pinhead said:

    On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 18:11:38 GMT, "Mark Leuck" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    "Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    While the punishment of death was too severe for their sins, several of
    the "victims" at Columbine had done plenty to provoke the retribution.
    The school authorities share some of the blame for allowing the
    privileged (i.e. athletes, popular students from more affluent families)
    to constantly engage in physical and verbal abuse of lower social status
    students.
    ...
    Ye who sow the wind shall reap the storm.

    That is about the most absurd and pathetic explanation of a massacre I have
    ever read

    Tommy must have spent part of Friday in the dumpster again...

    I would do no such thing, as it would scare the cute little raccoons
    that like to forage for food in the dumpster.

    --
    Tom Sherman - [ ]

  15. "Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    skip said:

    Well from reading your post I'm thinking if everyone had lower loser
    social status then there would be no privileged athletes, no popular
    students from affluent families (the punk Goth loser killers were from
    affluent families too as I recall), and no school authorities to share
    the blame or to allow verbal abuse of the lower social status losers. We
    would reap only what we could sow. More lower social status losers. And
    of course that would mean affluent families for the most part would
    disappear in a generation. No more double standards. No more
    victimizations. No more pep rallies. No more victory celebrations. No
    more gloating. No more winners - just losers.

    Everyone would be assigned to the lower loser social class. The best of
    all possible worlds, wouldn't you think, Tom?

    When I was in primary education, I witnessed many instances of double
    standards. If one of the students that had parents that were "nobodies"
    (and/or were themselves of the lower social status among the student
    population) physically assaulted another student they would be punished by
    suspensions of various lengths, put in special classes for disruptive
    students, etc. Yet several students who were starters in sports that had
    parents with prominent positions in the community were allowed to punch,
    shove, and verbally abuse less popular students on a regular basis with no
    intervention from school authorities.

    Mr. Sherman is right about a few things whenever he gets serious. There is
    damn little justice in this world. But if there is SOME justice in this
    world, that is about as good as it gets. Most religions arose from this very
    complaint. Since there is no justice in this world, there will be nothing
    but perfect justice in the world to come after this one when we pass on.
    Mankind has been complaining about the lack of justice in this world from
    the beginning of time. However, we see from the Soviet example (communism)
    that they insure even less justice for men than do democracies (capitalism).

    Quoted message said:

    While retaliation with deadly force is not morally justified in such
    instances, the temptation to use it is certainly justified.

    We see this on a larger scale, where nations proclaim their moral
    goodness, but then commit military and economic violence against weaker
    nations. Then the citizens of the abusing nations suffer "shock and
    horror" when someone hits back.

    Mr. Sherman is no doubt thinking of such nations as the former Nazi Germany
    and Imperial Japan and certainly not the US. We are a democracy and it is
    well nigh impossible to get a democracy to go to war. In fact, democracies
    are dragged kicking and screaming into war. All aggression comes from
    non-democracies. All democracies ever want to do is to live in peace and
    prosper. This can in fact be a fatal flaw of democracies.

    Quoted message said:

    It is long past time for people with privilege to gain some empathy for
    how their actions affect others. It is rather unbecoming to behave in an
    immoral manner, and them complain about the immoral retributive actions of
    others.

    Mr. Sherman would have made an excellent preacher. He would have excoriated
    others to be better than they want to be. I too would have made an excellent
    preacher, but I would have come at them from the opposite direction. I would
    have instilled the fear of God into them by telling them how deserving they
    were of Hell because of their sinfulness. Mr. Sherman would preach hope and
    love and I would preach despair and fear. Between the two of us, we would
    have a good and moral flock.

    --
    Regards,

    Saint Edward - Order of the Perpetual Miseries - Minnesota

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