A bike mechanic at a reputable LBS suggested against shifting an internal-gear hub (in this case, a Nexus 7) when stopped (in this case, when sitting on the bike in his showroom). This took me by surprise as I thought that the ability to downshift after a stop was one of the big plusses of such hubs. When pressed he said it "stretches the cable" but allowed that his ingrained derailleur experience may be part of his thinking.
His showroom, his rules, but I routinely downshift my S-A AW at stops and I routinely adjust the cable too; isn't that what cables are for?
A bike mechanic at a reputable LBS suggested against shifting an internal-gear hub (in this case, a Nexus 7) when stopped (in this case, when sitting on the bike in his showroom). This took me by surprise as I thought that the ability to downshift after a stop was one of the big plusses of such hubs. When pressed he said it "stretches the cable" but allowed that his ingrained derailleur experience may be part of his thinking.
His showroom, his rules, but I routinely downshift my S-A AW at stops and I routinely adjust the cable too; isn't that what cables are for?
Am seeking rbt's collective wisdom on this one.
Chip C Toronto
From everything I have ever heard / read. It's okay to shift a internally geared hub while stopped. Most of what I have read is that is one of the major pros of that type of drivetrain.
"Chip C" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
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A bike mechanic at a reputable LBS suggested against shifting an internal-gear hub (in this case, a Nexus 7) when stopped (in this case, when sitting on the bike in his showroom). This took me by surprise as I thought that the ability to downshift after a stop was one of the big plusses of such hubs. When pressed he said it "stretches the cable" but allowed that his ingrained derailleur experience may be part of his thinking.
His showroom, his rules, but I routinely downshift my S-A AW at stops and I routinely adjust the cable too; isn't that what cables are for?
Am seeking rbt's collective wisdom on this one.
Instructions with the Birdy nexus 8 say "shift to gear X when folding" (X is 1 or 8, can't remember which), which implies shifting when stopped.
I'd shift when stopped but consider backpedalling a bit while doing it.
A bike mechanic at a reputable LBS suggested against shifting an internal-gear hub (in this case, a Nexus 7) when stopped (in this case, when sitting on the bike in his showroom).
A bike mechanic at a reputable LBS suggested against shifting an internal-gear hub (in this case, a Nexus 7) when stopped (in this case, when sitting on the bike in his showroom). This took me by surprise as I thought that the ability to downshift after a stop was one of the big plusses of such hubs. When pressed he said it "stretches the cable" but allowed that his ingrained derailleur experience may be part of his thinking.
His showroom, his rules, but I routinely downshift my S-A AW at stops and I routinely adjust the cable too; isn't that what cables are for?
Am seeking rbt's collective wisdom on this one.
Chip C Toronto
Sturmey-Archer actually recommends that you shift when NOT pedaling on their 8-speed internal.
A bike mechanic at a reputable LBS suggested against shifting an internal-gear hub (in this case, a Nexus 7) when stopped (in this case, when sitting on the bike in his showroom). This took me by surprise as I thought that the ability to downshift after a stop was one of the big plusses of such hubs. When pressed he said it "stretches the cable" but allowed that his ingrained derailleur experience may be part of his thinking.
His showroom, his rules, but I routinely downshift my S-A AW at stops and I routinely adjust the cable too; isn't that what cables are for?
Am seeking rbt's collective wisdom on this one.
Sounds like the "collective wisdom" we lived by when Sturmey-Archer 3-speed hubs were ubiquitous on "English racers" of the 50s. Perhaps this was pure superstition, but we would never shift gears while stopped.
-- jeverett3<AT>sbcglobal<DOT>net (John V. Everett)
A bike mechanic at a reputable LBS suggested against shifting an internal-gear hub (in this case, a Nexus 7) when stopped (in this case, when sitting on the bike in his showroom). This took me by surprise as I thought that the ability to downshift after a stop was one of the big plusses of such hubs. When pressed he said it "stretches the cable" but allowed that his ingrained derailleur experience may be part of his thinking.
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His showroom, his rules, but I routinely downshift my S-A AW at stops and I routinely adjust the cable too; isn't that what cables are for?
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Am seeking rbt's collective wisdom on this one.
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Chip C Toronto
From everything I have ever heard / read. It's okay to shift a internally geared hub while stopped. Most of what I have read is that is one of the major pros of that type of drivetrain.
Indeed, that is one of the main benefits of an internal gear hub! I currently have five bikes with such hubs (plus 3 with derailers and 1 singlespeed), and this feature is quite handy. One does not need to back-pedal, but just ease up on pedal pressure for a second at most. I've used Sturmey, Shimano (old and Nexus) as well as Sachs 5 and 7 speed hubs this way.
I've heard that some Sturmey users would shift but keep the pedal pressure on, knowing they'd get the desired auto-shift when they eased off.
A bike mechanic at a reputable LBS suggested against shifting an internal-gear hub (in this case, a Nexus 7) when stopped (in this case, when sitting on the bike in his showroom). This took me by surprise as I thought that the ability to downshift after a stop was one of the big plusses of such hubs. When pressed he said it "stretches the cable" but allowed that his ingrained derailleur experience may be part of his thinking. His showroom, his rules, but I routinely downshift my S-A AW at stops and I routinely adjust the cable too; isn't that what cables are for? Am seeking rbt's collective wisdom on this one. Chip C Toronto
From everything I have ever heard / read. It's okay to shift a internally geared hub while stopped. Most of what I have read is that is one of the major pros of that type of drivetrain.
Indeed, that is one of the main benefits of an internal gear hub! I currently have five bikes with such hubs (plus 3 with derailers and 1 singlespeed), and this feature is quite handy. One does not need to back-pedal, but just ease up on pedal pressure for a second at most. I've used Sturmey, Shimano (old and Nexus) as well as Sachs 5 and 7 speed hubs this way.
I've heard that some Sturmey users would shift but keep the pedal pressure on, knowing they'd get the desired auto-shift when they eased off.
Mark
I have long considered switching to one of these hubs on my recumbent that I ride mostly in town. It's not always possible to anticipate all stops. And on a recumbent it's not as easy to start in a high gear as it is to start in a high gear on a diamond frame bicycle.
A bike mechanic at a reputable LBS suggested against shifting an internal-gear hub (in this case, a Nexus 7) when stopped (in this case, when sitting on the bike in his showroom). This took me by surprise as I thought that the ability to downshift after a stop was one of the big plusses of such hubs. When pressed he said it "stretches the cable" but allowed that his ingrained derailleur experience may be part of his thinking.
His showroom, his rules, but I routinely downshift my S-A AW at stops and I routinely adjust the cable too; isn't that what cables are for?
Am seeking rbt's collective wisdom on this one.
I think he was overly cautious.
If the clutch is impeded from sliding, touch the pedal backwards even a very slight amount to free it when pulling the cable. Although your AW _can_ hang up (rarely) I don't believe that's possible with the ramped edges of a SRAM or even a Nexus. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1 April, 1971
A bike mechanic at a reputable LBS suggested against shifting an internal-gear hub (in this case, a Nexus 7) when stopped (in this case, when sitting on the bike in his showroom). This took me by surprise as I thought that the ability to downshift after a stop was one of the big plusses of such hubs. When pressed he said it "stretches the cable"
Was he
a) spotty-faced;
b) pierced; and/or
c) implanted with earphones playing somehting closer to noise than Schoenburg?
Indeed, that is one of the main benefits of an internal gear hub! I currently have five bikes with such hubs (plus 3 with derailers and 1 singlespeed), and this feature is quite handy. One does not need to back-pedal, but just ease up on pedal pressure for a second at most. I've used Sturmey, Shimano (old and Nexus) as well as Sachs 5 and 7 speed hubs this way.
Did you really mean to say that you have a bike with an internally geared hub which is a singlespeed? Does not compute, or else the hub is broken.
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Indeed, that is one of the main benefits of an internal gear hub! I currently have five bikes with such hubs (plus 3 with derailers and 1 singlespeed), and this feature is quite handy. One does not need to back-pedal, but just ease up on pedal pressure for a second at most. I've used Sturmey, Shimano (old and Nexus) as well as Sachs 5 and 7 speed hubs this way.
Did you really mean to say that you have a bike with an internally geared hub which is a singlespeed? Does not compute, or else the hub is broken.
Eh? He appears to be saying he's got 9 bikes - 5 with hub gears, 3 derailleurs, 1 singlespeed.
Indeed, that is one of the main benefits of an internal gear hub! I currently have five bikes with such hubs (plus 3 with derailers and 1 singlespeed), and this feature is quite handy. One does not need to back-pedal, but just ease up on pedal pressure for a second at most. I've used Sturmey, Shimano (old and Nexus) as well as Sachs 5 and 7 speed hubs this way.
Did you really mean to say that you have a bike with an internally geared hub which is a singlespeed? Does not compute, or else the hub is broken.
Eh? He appears to be saying he's got 9 bikes - 5 with hub gears, 3 derailleurs, 1 singlespeed.
clive
Argh. You are correct. A sharp rap on the knuckles for my lack of attention.
A bike mechanic at a reputable LBS suggested against shifting an internal-gear hub (in this case, a Nexus 7) when stopped (in this case, when sitting on the bike in his showroom). This took me by surprise as I thought that the ability to downshift after a stop was one of the big plusses of such hubs. When pressed he said it "stretches the cable" but allowed that his ingrained derailleur experience may be part of his thinking.
I concur. One of the local shops uses the shift-while-stopped capacity as a feature when selling the Nexus.
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His showroom, his rules, but I routinely downshift my S-A AW at stops and I routinely adjust the cable too; isn't that what cables are for?
Am seeking rbt's collective wisdom on this one.
As you said; his showroom, his rules, but there are doubtless a few stifling a snicker about it at the moment.
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A bike mechanic at a reputable LBS suggested against shifting an internal-gear hub (in this case, a Nexus 7) when stopped (in this case, when sitting on the bike in his showroom). This took me by surprise as I thought that the ability to downshift after a stop was one of the big plusses of such hubs. When pressed he said it "stretches the cable" but allowed that his ingrained derailleur experience may be part of his thinking.
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His showroom, his rules, but I routinely downshift my S-A AW at stops and I routinely adjust the cable too; isn't that what cables are for?
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Am seeking rbt's collective wisdom on this one.
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Sturmey-Archer actually recommends that you shift when NOT pedaling on their 8-speed internal.
I haven't seen those instructions but what you cite needs further qualification. As far as I know this is intended to be done when the wheel is turning because the driver "clutch" has positions in which it cannot mesh with the interposers it must enter.
My experience is that such hubs have gear changes that should NOT be performed under load although they should always be done when the wheel is turning and even with the pedals rotating, but not under load. Typically, an SA three-speed won't shift into top gear under continuous pedaling load, but will do so as soon as drive torque approaches zero. That ought to be a clue to what occurs.
A bike mechanic at a reputable LBS suggested against shifting an internal-gear hub (in this case, a Nexus 7) when stopped (in this case, when sitting on the bike in his showroom). This took me by surprise as I thought that the ability to downshift after a stop was one of the big plusses of such hubs. When pressed he said it "stretches the cable"
Was he
a) spotty-faced;
b) pierced; and/or
c) implanted with earphones playing somehting closer to noise than Schoenburg?
Schoenberg has an undeserved reputation. Fair is fair: call Pharoah Sanders and Miles Davis incoherent, or listen to Schoenberg's Bach Orchestrations.
c) implanted with earphones playing somehting closer to noise than Schoenburg?
What could be closer?
--
David L. Johnson
Let's be straight here. If we find something we can't understand we like to call it something you can't understand, or indeed even pronounce. -- Douglas Adams
Chip C wrote: > A bike mechanic at a reputable LBS suggested against shifting an > internal-gear hub (in this case, a Nexus 7) when stopped (in this > case, when sitting on the bike in his showroom). This took me by > surprise as I thought that the ability to downshift after a stop was > one of the big plusses of such hubs. When pressed he said it > "stretches the cable" but allowed that his ingrained derailleur > experience may be part of his thinking. > His showroom, his rules, but I routinely downshift my S-A AW at stops > and I routinely adjust the cable too; isn't that what cables are for? > Am seeking rbt's collective wisdom on this one. > Chip C > Toronto From everything I have ever heard / read. It's okay to shift a internally geared hub while stopped. Most of what I have read is that is one of the major pros of that type of drivetrain.
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Indeed, that is one of the main benefits of an internal gear hub! I currently have five bikes with such hubs (plus 3 with derailers and 1 singlespeed), and this feature is quite handy. One does not need to back-pedal, but just ease up on pedal pressure for a second at most. I've used Sturmey, Shimano (old and Nexus) as well as Sachs 5 and 7 speed hubs this way.
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I've heard that some Sturmey users would shift but keep the pedal pressure on, knowing they'd get the desired auto-shift when they eased off.
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Mark
I have long considered switching to one of these hubs on my recumbent that I ride mostly in town. It's not always possible to anticipate all stops. And on a recumbent it's not as easy to start in a high gear as it is to start in a high gear on a diamond frame bicycle.
I have done that with my EZ-1, had a rear wheel built around a 3 * 7 hub. When I top out the other gears, I try the overdrive, and the loss would increase to where I would slow down, so I was almost always in the middle gear. It was real handy when I forgot to downshift before stopping and changed the hub, a lot easier getting going, and up hills when I hit granny granny. 3 * 3 * 7 = 63 gears.
The Rollof (sp?) 14 gear hub you have to take off most pedal pressure to shift from 7 to 8 because it is changing the big planetary gear.
I have long considered switching to one of these hubs on my recumbent that I ride mostly in town. It's not always possible to anticipate all stops. And on a recumbent it's not as easy to start in a high gear as it is to start in a high gear on a diamond frame bicycle.
I have done that with my EZ-1, had a rear wheel built around a 3 * 7 hub. When I top out the other gears, I try the overdrive, and the loss would increase to where I would slow down, so I was almost always in the middle gear. It was real handy when I forgot to downshift before stopping and changed the hub, a lot easier getting going, and up hills when I hit granny granny. 3 * 3 * 7 = 63 gears.
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