ok, still looking for shoes

Just buy some frickin' shoes, and STFU ALREADY!

"bill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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And then tonight I went through the shoe recommender at
roadrunnersports.com and it recommended the Brooks Trance.

Of those three, isn't one a cushion, one is a stability, and one is a
motion-control shoe? What the hell, it just keeps getting more
confusing.

The "Shoe Dog" recommends stability/motion control for anyone with low
arches. The key feature you are looking for on RRS is durability.

Don't know what if you are planning this, but please don't get lots of
advice from the shoe store folks and then order on-line/mail order.

Hi Bill-

Its easy to get confused with all the scientific rhetoric about fitting
shoes, when actually it may just take some experimentation and putting a few
miles on shoes to see which are best for you. YOu can have some expert tell
you that X shoe is the best for you, but until you have run 10 in them, you
just wont know for sure.

I had someone recommedn the Beast also to me (I am 6'4" and at that time
254), as I just had to have the motion-control and the heavy runner shoe.
Well, 4 miles on those shoes told me immediately that they were not the
ones. I went a total of about 20 miles on them (thought mayeb I just needed
to get used to them) and finally turnedd them back into the store and got
the Adrenalines. The Beasts had absolutely no cushion on them as they were
designed for someone who really pounds the pavement. But man did they hurt.

My advice (to make a short story long) is to find a local running shop and
try some shoes. Make sure they will take them back if you put 10 miles on
them and dont like them. IF they dont go elsewhere. Finally, when you find
a shoe you like, buy about 5 pair of them! Even the same model gets
"improved" from year to year and they may improve them right out of your
comfort level.

"bill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I took the group's advice and visited three different running shops
yesterday and today and still don't have any shoes. I do have some
actual information though, which might help. Apparently I have a
fairly flat/low arch and a neutral gait. I also have fairly straight
feet, so some running shoes tend to bunch up my little toes. I guess
I should also add that I'm over 250 pounds.

The first place I went to told me that my current shoes (NB 764) were
causing me to under-pronate. So I tried some Saucony Trigons that
seemed much more neutral, but weren't all that comfortable. I tried
some Nikes (Pegasus, I think), but they felt really heavy and clunky.
The fourth pair I tried were Mizuno Wave Riders and they were really
comfortable, so I bought them. Well, after trying them at home for
about 15 minutes, my feet were really hurting. So today I returned
the Mizunos and tried on a pair of Brooks Epiphanys. Pretty
comfortable, but I wasn't completely sold.

On my way home I stopped off at another running place nearby. The
sales lady there watched me walk and agreed that I have a low arch and
am fairly neutral. She recommended a Brooks Beast, mainly she said
because of my size. Isn't the Beast supposed to be for people who
*over*-pronate? They were pretty comfortable too.

And then tonight I went through the shoe recommender at
roadrunnersports.com and it recommended the Brooks Trance.

Of those three, isn't one a cushion, one is a stability, and one is a
motion-control shoe? What the hell, it just keeps getting more
confusing.

bill said:

I took the group's advice and visited three different running shops
yesterday and today and still don't have any shoes. I do have some
actual information though, which might help. Apparently I have a
fairly flat/low arch and a neutral gait. I also have fairly straight
feet, so some running shoes tend to bunch up my little toes. I guess
I should also add that I'm over 250 pounds.

The first place I went to told me that my current shoes (NB 764) were
causing me to under-pronate. So I tried some Saucony Trigons that

Wht brought them to that conclusion ?

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seemed much more neutral, but weren't all that comfortable. I tried

Good shoe -- but the shape of the last causes problems for some.

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some Nikes (Pegasus, I think), but they felt really heavy and clunky.

You've got to be kidding. The pegasus is one of the lighter trainers.
Skinny, efficient guys use this. If it feels clunky, it's probably because
you need more cushioning.

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The fourth pair I tried were Mizuno Wave Riders and they were really
comfortable, so I bought them. Well, after trying them at home for
about 15 minutes, my feet were really hurting.

The Mizuno rider is again a light shoe -- not appropriate for heavy runners.

The creation is a better choice.

I'm surprised about the underpronate diagnosis. Did they just look at the
wear pattern on you shoes ? Splayed feet can cause the outside to wear out
first, but splayed feet is not underpronation.

Anyway, if you go with cushion shoes, try some of the heavier models (both
the pegasus and the Rider are among the lighter trainers). You should *not* be
training in a lightweight shoe. The heavier shoes will be made of more durable
material, which is better at absorbing the impact you're going to put on them.

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So today I returned
the Mizunos and tried on a pair of Brooks Epiphanys. Pretty
comfortable, but I wasn't completely sold.

On my way home I stopped off at another running place nearby. The
sales lady there watched me walk and agreed that I have a low arch and
am fairly neutral. She recommended a Brooks Beast, mainly she said
because of my size. Isn't the Beast supposed to be for people who
*over*-pronate? They were pretty comfortable too.

Yes. It's a motion control shoe.

Quoted message said:

And then tonight I went through the shoe recommender at
roadrunnersports.com and it recommended the Brooks Trance.

Of those three, isn't one a cushion, one is a stability, and one is a
motion-control shoe? What the hell, it just keeps getting more
confusing.

Yep.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

NB 1300s (if they still make them) are made for heavy runners. But if
you're having this much trouble finding shoes, I don't know what you
expect people here to do for you.

[email hidden] (bill) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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I took the group's advice and visited three different running shops
yesterday and today and still don't have any shoes. I do have some
actual information though, which might help. Apparently I have a
fairly flat/low arch and a neutral gait. I also have fairly straight
feet, so some running shoes tend to bunch up my little toes. I guess
I should also add that I'm over 250 pounds.

The first place I went to told me that my current shoes (NB 764) were
causing me to under-pronate. So I tried some Saucony Trigons that
seemed much more neutral, but weren't all that comfortable. I tried
some Nikes (Pegasus, I think), but they felt really heavy and clunky.
The fourth pair I tried were Mizuno Wave Riders and they were really
comfortable, so I bought them. Well, after trying them at home for
about 15 minutes, my feet were really hurting. So today I returned
the Mizunos and tried on a pair of Brooks Epiphanys. Pretty
comfortable, but I wasn't completely sold.

On my way home I stopped off at another running place nearby. The
sales lady there watched me walk and agreed that I have a low arch and
am fairly neutral. She recommended a Brooks Beast, mainly she said
because of my size. Isn't the Beast supposed to be for people who
*over*-pronate? They were pretty comfortable too.

And then tonight I went through the shoe recommender at
roadrunnersports.com and it recommended the Brooks Trance.

Of those three, isn't one a cushion, one is a stability, and one is a
motion-control shoe? What the hell, it just keeps getting more
confusing.

Donovan Rebbechi <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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Quoted message said:

The first place I went to told me that my current shoes (NB 764) were
causing me to under-pronate. So I tried some Saucony Trigons that

Wht brought them to that conclusion ?

Quoted message said:

seemed much more neutral, but weren't all that comfortable. I tried

Good shoe -- but the shape of the last causes problems for some.

Quoted message said:

some Nikes (Pegasus, I think), but they felt really heavy and clunky.

You've got to be kidding. The pegasus is one of the lighter trainers.
Skinny, efficient guys use this. If it feels clunky, it's probably because
you need more cushioning.

Well, it's possible I'm wrong about the model, but they definitely
felt much heavier/clunkier than the Mizunos. But it doesn't sound
like either one is a good fit for me.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The fourth pair I tried were Mizuno Wave Riders and they were really
comfortable, so I bought them. Well, after trying them at home for
about 15 minutes, my feet were really hurting.

The Mizuno rider is again a light shoe -- not appropriate for heavy runners.

The creation is a better choice.

Now I'm glad I took them back. It sounds like they were just
recommending shoes at random.

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I'm surprised about the underpronate diagnosis. Did they just look at the
wear pattern on you shoes ? Splayed feet can cause the outside to wear out
first, but splayed feet is not underpronation.

I think it was mostly based on how I looked in the NB 764s. But now
watching my feet here at home without shoes, it does look like my
ankles roll in slightly when I walk. And I definitely have low
arches. So maybe a motion control shoe is a good idea.

Quoted message said:

Anyway, if you go with cushion shoes, try some of the heavier models (both
the pegasus and the Rider are among the lighter trainers). You should *not* be
training in a lightweight shoe. The heavier shoes will be made of more durable
material, which is better at absorbing the impact you're going to put on them.

Quoted message said:

So today I returned
the Mizunos and tried on a pair of Brooks Epiphanys. Pretty
comfortable, but I wasn't completely sold.

On my way home I stopped off at another running place nearby. The
sales lady there watched me walk and agreed that I have a low arch and
am fairly neutral. She recommended a Brooks Beast, mainly she said
because of my size. Isn't the Beast supposed to be for people who
*over*-pronate? They were pretty comfortable too.

Yes. It's a motion control shoe.

Quoted message said:

And then tonight I went through the shoe recommender at
roadrunnersports.com and it recommended the Brooks Trance.

Of those three, isn't one a cushion, one is a stability, and one is a
motion-control shoe? What the hell, it just keeps getting more
confusing.

Yep.

Cheers,

I think I might just go to RRS and order three or four pair of shoes
that seem like they are appropriate (the Beast, the Trance and maybe
the NB 1122) and then keep the pair I like the most.

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But if
you're having this much trouble finding shoes, I don't know what you
expect people here to do for you

T-R-O-L-L

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But if
you're having this much trouble finding shoes, I don't know what you
expect people here to do for you

T-R-O-L-L

How many times do I have to tell you.......New Balance 470 are just perfect
for a big guy like you..... Kohl's Store..... $39......... Stop putzing
around and try them.

bill said:

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The Mizuno rider is again a light shoe -- not appropriate for heavy runners.

The creation is a better choice.

Now I'm glad I took them back. It sounds like they were just
recommending shoes at random.

They were consistently recommending the lighter cushioning shoes. Not
random, but probably not ideal either.

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I think it was mostly based on how I looked in the NB 764s. But now
watching my feet here at home without shoes, it does look like my
ankles roll in slightly when I walk. And I definitely have low
arches. So maybe a motion control shoe is a good idea.

If you're in doubt, go for a stability shoe, not motion control -- it's the
middle-of-the-road category.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

Donovan Rebbechi <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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If you're in doubt, go for a stability shoe, not motion control -- it's the
middle-of-the-road category.

Cheers,

Well, that's what I think I ended up with. I went back to the running
store today and tried on several more things and came away with a pair
of Brooks Trance NXRs, which was the same thing the RRS Shoe Dog
recommended.

[email hidden] (John B.) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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NB 1300s (if they still make them) are made for heavy runners. But if
you're having this much trouble finding shoes, I don't know what you
expect people here to do for you.

I don't know that I'm expecting anyone to *do* anything really. Just
looking for some ideas or advice.

<< And then tonight I went through the shoe recommender at
roadrunnersports.com and it recommended the Brooks Trance. >>

ah, the Trance shoe? not familiar with that one. tell me more. does one
thusly listen to appropriate Trance/Techo music to accompany one's journey?

any Trance music recommendations?

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any Trance music recommendations?

I like "Rollie-polleie fish heads".