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  1. Hello group.

    As an extension of my previous post earlier tonight, 'Not Really Cooking,
    But Hot Sauces'. Some say that they are 'Chemically Processed', etc.
    Looking at the ingredients, not all seem so, but ingredients don't mention
    chemicals introduced during the growing process. So:

    1) Any recommendations on decent sauces that are not just hot, but also have
    flavour, with no chemicals?

    2) Any recommendations on making your own from fresh chilli's?

    Up til now, Tabasco sauce is the only decent one I have found that is
    available in the UK, but for me it is not really that hot, however, I love
    the flavour of this sauce.

  2. "Keith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Hello group.

    As an extension of my previous post earlier tonight, 'Not Really Cooking,
    But Hot Sauces'. Some say that they are 'Chemically Processed', etc.
    Looking at the ingredients, not all seem so, but ingredients don't mention
    chemicals introduced during the growing process. So:

    1) Any recommendations on decent sauces that are not just hot, but also
    have
    flavour, with no chemicals?

    2) Any recommendations on making your own from fresh chilli's?

    Up til now, Tabasco sauce is the only decent one I have found that is
    available in the UK, but for me it is not really that hot, however, I love
    the flavour of this sauce.

    Try Marie Sharp's sauces. They are made in Belize but as that was a British
    colony maybe they are imported to the UK.

    --
    Peter Aitken

  3. "Peter Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    "Keith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Hello group.

    As an extension of my previous post earlier tonight, 'Not Really


    Cooking,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    But Hot Sauces'. Some say that they are 'Chemically Processed', etc.
    Looking at the ingredients, not all seem so, but ingredients don't


    mention

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    chemicals introduced during the growing process. So:

    1) Any recommendations on decent sauces that are not just hot, but also
    have
    flavour, with no chemicals?

    2) Any recommendations on making your own from fresh chilli's?

    Up til now, Tabasco sauce is the only decent one I have found that is
    available in the UK, but for me it is not really that hot, however, I


    love

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the flavour of this sauce.

    Try Marie Sharp's sauces. They are made in Belize but as that was a


    British

    Quoted message said:

    colony maybe they are imported to the UK.

    --
    Peter Aitken

    The U.K. has a very large East Indian population who enjoy hot sauces from
    the Islands. I'm sure that you can find a Jamaican shop near by as well.
    London has several Mexican restaurant/groceries now too. If you like hot
    chile sauces, don't forget the extra hot Asian chile sauces! Not the same as
    the Tabasco type but chile-hot and tasty.

    Charlie

  4. Keith said:


    Hello group.

    As an extension of my previous post earlier tonight, 'Not Really Cooking,
    But Hot Sauces'. Some say that they are 'Chemically Processed', etc.
    Looking at the ingredients, not all seem so, but ingredients don't mention
    chemicals introduced during the growing process.

    American labelling laws don't require any mention of chemicals used in
    processing provided they don't remain in the product.

    So:

    Quoted message said:


    1) Any recommendations on decent sauces that are not just hot, but also have
    flavour, with no chemicals?

    Any of the West Indian sauces you can find in your local Sainsbury's or
    Tesco's if you don't want to venture into 'ethnic' markets.
    Otherwise your local Chinese or Bengali or Turkish markets will have a
    selection.

    Quoted message said:

    2) Any recommendations on making your own from fresh chilli's?

    Take a double handful of any of the small red fresh chiles sold in the
    supermarket or your local Bengali market. Wash, dry and stem them; don't
    remove the innards. Take a roughly equal amount of peeled fresh garlic
    (washed after peeling). Grind or puree them together (will be pungent).
    Add some vinegar to loosen the puree, transfer to a saucepan. Use a
    little more vinegar to wash out the blender, mortar or whatever and
    transfer that to the saucepan. Bring the mix to a boil (with windows
    open) and simmer for a couple of minutes. Add salt to taste. Transfer to
    a clean hot jar with a decent enamelled lid. Put the lid on loosely
    until the sauce cools. Tighten lid. Can store in the fridge but it
    doesn't spoil readily.

    Quoted message said:

    Up til now, Tabasco sauce is the only decent one I have found that is
    available in the UK, but for me it is not really that hot, however, I love
    the flavour of this sauce.

    There are dozens of West Indian/Caribbean sauces available in the UK.
    Have you tried any of those? They range from hot to very mild.

  5. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Keith said:

    1) Any recommendations on decent sauces that are not just hot, but
    also have flavour, with no chemicals?


    ....

    Quoted message said:

    Up til now, Tabasco sauce is the only decent one I have found that is
    available in the UK, but for me it is not really that hot, however, I
    love the flavour of this sauce.

    Do your grocers have the other Tabasco varieties? I'm extremely
    fond of Tabasco Chipotle. It's not any hotter than standard
    Tabasco, but it's got a marvelous smoky flavor.

    Tabasco Habanero sauce is also very tasty, and is hotter.
    (Not as hot as it could be with habaneros, but plenty hot.)

    (I didn't care much for the Tabasco Jalapeno or Garlic.)

    --
    Tagon: "Where's your sense of adventure?" | Mike Van Pelt
    Kevyn: "It died under mysterious circumstances. | mvp at calweb.com
    My sense of self-preservation found the body, | KE6BVH
    but assures me it has an airtight alibi." (schlockmercenary.com)

  6. Found http://www.peppersofkeywest.com/ while on vacation and have been
    mail-ordering since. We particularly enjoy the ring-wing sauce and the
    left-wing sauces and haven't found one we didn't like yet.
    Teri

    "Keith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Hello group.

    As an extension of my previous post earlier tonight, 'Not Really Cooking,
    But Hot Sauces'. Some say that they are 'Chemically Processed', etc.
    Looking at the ingredients, not all seem so, but ingredients don't mention
    chemicals introduced during the growing process. So:

    1) Any recommendations on decent sauces that are not just hot, but also


    have

    Quoted message said:

    flavour, with no chemicals?

    2) Any recommendations on making your own from fresh chilli's?

    Up til now, Tabasco sauce is the only decent one I have found that is
    available in the UK, but for me it is not really that hot, however, I love
    the flavour of this sauce.

  7. "Charles Gifford" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    The U.K. has a very large East Indian population who enjoy hot sauces from
    the Islands.

    That should have been West Indian. Sorry.

    Charlie

  8. Charles Gifford said:


    "Charles Gifford" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    The U.K. has a very large East Indian population who enjoy hot sauces from
    the Islands.

    That should have been West Indian. Sorry.

    Charlie

    LOL there are also a lot of 'East' Indian hot sauces in any Bengali
    grocery!

  9. "Arri London" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Charles Gifford said:


    "Charles Gifford" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    The U.K. has a very large East Indian population who enjoy hot sauces


    from

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the Islands.

    That should have been West Indian. Sorry.

    Charlie

    LOL there are also a lot of 'East' Indian hot sauces in any Bengali
    grocery!

    Very true, but the Caribbean hot sauces are a lot more like the ones the
    poster was looking for. I used to really love Bengali food, but can't handle
    much of it anymore. I still have a love affair with REAL Indian mustard oil
    which is almost impossible (if not impossible) to get outside India. I have
    about 1/2 tsp. left of the last bottle of it brought back from India by an
    acquaintance. I will be sad when it is gone and I am afraid to use the last
    bit so it has been in my refrigerator for a while, so it will probably go
    bad while I dither around.

    Charlie

  10. Charles Gifford wrote on 11 Sep 2005 in rec.food.cooking

    Quoted message said:

    Very true, but the Caribbean hot sauces are a lot more like the ones
    the poster was looking for. I used to really love Bengali food, but
    can't handle much of it anymore. I still have a love affair with REAL
    Indian mustard oil which is almost impossible (if not impossible) to
    get outside India. I have about 1/2 tsp. left of the last bottle of it
    brought back from India by an acquaintance. I will be sad when it is
    gone and I am afraid to use the last bit so it has been in my
    refrigerator for a while, so it will probably go bad while I dither
    around.

    Charlie

    If you have friends in the metro Toronto or Vancouver area (Canada)...it is
    probable they could get you some more oil. Alas not I...

    --
    The eyes are the mirrors....
    But the ears...Ah the ears.
    The ears keep the hat up.

  11. "Mr Libido Incognito" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    If you have friends in the metro Toronto or Vancouver area (Canada)...it


    is

    Quoted message said:

    probable they could get you some more oil. Alas not I...

    I very much doubt it. Even in the U.K. which has a large Indian-heritage
    population it is not available. Not the real thing anyway. Now someone
    traveling to India and willing to quietly "import" some, that is another
    thing! On the other hand, as Canada is a big grower of mustard seed,
    someone might be making the good stuff (or at least should be). I don't know
    if Canada's hazardous materials ordinances would permit making the oil.
    <smile>

    Charlie

  12. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Charles Gifford said:

    "Mr Libido Incognito" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    If you have friends in the metro Toronto or Vancouver area (Canada)...it
    is probable they could get you some more oil. Alas not I...

    I very much doubt it. Even in the U.K. which has a large Indian-heritage
    population it is not available. Not the real thing anyway. Now someone
    traveling to India and willing to quietly "import" some, that is another
    thing! On the other hand, as Canada is a big grower of mustard seed,
    someone might be making the good stuff (or at least should be). I don't know
    if Canada's hazardous materials ordinances would permit making the oil.
    <smile>

    G'day Charlie,

    I begin to suspect I've been wasting my time -- I've been trying to
    convince local speciality stores (both of them 🙂 and supermarkets
    (both of them too 🙂 to stock mustard oil. No luck so far, and from
    what you say about availability in even an overcrowded country like
    Pomerania, I'm starting to doubt whether it would ever be available
    here in the sticks in the deep north of the deep south.

    That said, I know a bloke who swears he was able to buy a bottle of it
    at an Indian speciality store in the tourist ghetto of Cairns, which
    is only about an hour from here (and downhill at that 🙂. However,
    from what you have also said, I'm wondering if that "mustard oil" was
    in fact "the real thing". And, if it's a substitute, I wonder how
    good it is as a substitute? [ Comment Ronnie, if you're listening? ]

    Cheers, Phred.

    --
    [email hidden]

  13. "Keith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hello group.

    As an extension of my previous post earlier tonight, 'Not Really Cooking,
    But Hot Sauces'. Some say that they are 'Chemically Processed', etc.
    Looking at the ingredients, not all seem so, but ingredients don't mention
    chemicals introduced during the growing process. So:

    Often by that people mean that it is pure capsaicin extract that gives most
    of the heat for that sauce, and pure cap extract has an 'off' taste most
    don't like.

    Quoted message said:

    1) Any recommendations on decent sauces that are not just hot, but also


    have

    Quoted message said:

    flavour, with no chemicals?

    2) Any recommendations on making your own from fresh chilli's?

    I make them myself. One way from the fruity Caribbean type/style ones is to
    use fresh chiles (of your choice), fruits like mango, plum, peach etc. lime
    juice and salt. I just puree everything up together until very smooth, taste
    and add more of whatever I believe it needs, thickening with corn starch if
    it is too thin, before heating it in a pan and bottling.

    Another way I use is chiles, onion, vinegar, salt - I often make this up
    (same method as above) as a 'base' sauce. To this I can them add smoked
    chiles, garlic, spices etc. - whatever I need to get the style I'm after.

    I don't really do recipes, so can't give you one of those, sorry!

    Quoted message said:

    Up til now, Tabasco sauce is the only decent one I have found that is
    available in the UK, but for me it is not really that hot, however, I love
    the flavour of this sauce.

    Maybe try one of the Encona brand sauces - they do a fruity one, the
    original, and maybe one or two others - they are Caribbean, usually found on
    supermarket shelves easily enough, should be near the Tabasco!

    Hope I've been of some help!

    <Spam!> Oh, and I should have some of my own for sale later this year/early
    next if ya wanna gimme a shout ',;~}~

    Shaun aRe

  14. "Phred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    G'day Charlie,

    I begin to suspect I've been wasting my time -- I've been trying to
    convince local speciality stores (both of them 🙂 and supermarkets
    (both of them too 🙂 to stock mustard oil. No luck so far, and from
    what you say about availability in even an overcrowded country like
    Pomerania, I'm starting to doubt whether it would ever be available
    here in the sticks in the deep north of the deep south.

    That said, I know a bloke who swears he was able to buy a bottle of it
    at an Indian speciality store in the tourist ghetto of Cairns, which
    is only about an hour from here (and downhill at that 🙂. However,
    from what you have also said, I'm wondering if that "mustard oil" was
    in fact "the real thing". And, if it's a substitute, I wonder how
    good it is as a substitute? [ Comment Ronnie, if you're listening? ]

    Cheers, Phred.

    "Mustard oil" is available in the U.K. and also in the U.S. (as an import
    from the U.K.), but it is a poor nasty thing. Indian mustard oil is a thing
    of beauty and breath-taking heat. The flavor is pure with no off odors, just
    that wonderful mustard flavor. Indian mustard oil has a clarity that I have
    not found in any of the locally available oils. I suspect that in any
    Indian- heritage home, you can probably find some. Make a Bengali friend!
    That's what I did! As a substitute I'm afraid that you will have to use the
    "other" mustard oil. You will need to use a little more and it will be a
    little "musty", but it does work. Worst case scenario, use a good chile
    oil; I use one from Taiwan. Different flavor, but at least you will have the
    heat.

    I have no doubt that your friend was able to buy it in Cairns. Maybe he was
    lucky and got some of the good stuff! I sure hope so. Ask him to check the
    label to see where it was made.I seem to remember that there are other
    Bengali populations in Australia. A friend in England asked the owner of an
    Indian take-away she likes and he supplied her with some oil. The Indian oil
    available in India is superb (or at least the oil I've had). It seems very
    odd to me that we do not have access to it. Does Australia grow mustard seed
    as Canada does? If so, there is a business waiting to be started! If you try
    to go to Cairns in search of the wondrous oil, be careful going back uphill
    to home! Good luck!

    Charlie, lover of (almost) all things Australian

  15. Hi Phred
    I can buy mustard oil on the Gold Coast here. Have for years. I just
    happen to be out of it right now, so can't check the country of origin.
    There is a large exotic supermarket here that stocks a wide range of
    Asian/sub continent foods.
    I understand that mustard oil is very heathly for one. Like sesame
    seed oil, you only need a small amount added to the other fat/ghee/oil.
    I'll pick up a bottle later and check it out.

    Cheers
    --Bronwyn

  16. G'day Bron,

    Thank you for your interest; and Charlie too, for his reply.

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Bronwyn said:

    Hi Phred
    I can buy mustard oil on the Gold Coast here. Have for years. I just
    happen to be out of it right now, so can't check the country of origin.
    There is a large exotic supermarket here that stocks a wide range of
    Asian/sub continent foods.
    I understand that mustard oil is very heathly for one. Like sesame
    seed oil, you only need a small amount added to the other fat/ghee/oil.
    I'll pick up a bottle later and check it out.

    I'll be interested to hear what it is. In the meantime I'll try to
    find some detail of the product that is (was?) available in CNS.

    I've done a bit of googling on "mustard oil" as I had a vague
    recollection of hearing some bad vibes about it years ago.
    Indeed, this very informative and detailed paper from HortSci at
    Purdue says at one point: "Contact of mustard extract with skin can
    cause blistering. Isothiocyanate in mustard oil considered poisonous
    and mutagenic, has induced goiter in laboratory animals."
    <http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/med-aro/factsheets/MUSTARD.html>

    Back in 1998 there were a number of deaths attributed to contaminated
    mustard oil in India. There was a theory that foreign firms wanting
    to take over the market with their genetically modified canola oil,
    may have had something to do with it -- or it may just have been
    unscrupulous local producers. For some details see:
    <http://www.gene.ch/gentech/1998/Sep-Nov/msg00018.html>

    Here's a bit more on the conspiracy theory from _The Ecologist_:
    <http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2465/is_5_31/ai_76285485>
    Quoting the opening paragraph: "Mustard oil, whose production and
    consumption were until recently integral to India's way of life, has
    been banned, so as to provide a market for Monsanto's soya oil."

    There's an Australian company that professes to supply genuine Indian-
    style mustard oil grown and cold pressed by themselves (plus some
    outside suppliers of the "organic" product line). Their web site is:
    <http://www.yandilla.com/home.htm>

    Cheers, Phred.

    --
    [email hidden]

  17. "Phred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    G'day Bron,

    Thank you for your interest; and Charlie too, for his reply.

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Bronwyn said:

    Hi Phred
    I can buy mustard oil on the Gold Coast here. Have for years. I just
    happen to be out of it right now, so can't check the country of origin.
    There is a large exotic supermarket here that stocks a wide range of
    Asian/sub continent foods.
    I understand that mustard oil is very heathly for one. Like sesame
    seed oil, you only need a small amount added to the other fat/ghee/oil.
    I'll pick up a bottle later and check it out.

    I'll be interested to hear what it is. In the meantime I'll try to
    find some detail of the product that is (was?) available in CNS.

    I've done a bit of googling on "mustard oil" as I had a vague
    recollection of hearing some bad vibes about it years ago.
    Indeed, this very informative and detailed paper from HortSci at
    Purdue says at one point: "Contact of mustard extract with skin can
    cause blistering. Isothiocyanate in mustard oil considered poisonous
    and mutagenic, has induced goiter in laboratory animals."
    <http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/med-aro/factsheets/MUSTARD.html>

    Back in 1998 there were a number of deaths attributed to contaminated
    mustard oil in India. There was a theory that foreign firms wanting
    to take over the market with their genetically modified canola oil,
    may have had something to do with it -- or it may just have been
    unscrupulous local producers. For some details see:
    <http://www.gene.ch/gentech/1998/Sep-Nov/msg00018.html>

    Here's a bit more on the conspiracy theory from _The Ecologist_:
    <http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2465/is_5_31/ai_76285485>
    Quoting the opening paragraph: "Mustard oil, whose production and
    consumption were until recently integral to India's way of life, has
    been banned, so as to provide a market for Monsanto's soya oil."

    There's an Australian company that professes to supply genuine Indian-
    style mustard oil grown and cold pressed by themselves (plus some
    outside suppliers of the "organic" product line). Their web site is:
    <http://www.yandilla.com/home.htm>

    Cheers, Phred.

    Thanks for your researched articles, Phred. As one who quit using any
    mustard seed oil about the time of these articles, it is good to know that
    there are some mustard oil products that now are unquestionably safe.
    Dee Dee

  18. Hmmmm, had no idea about all that! Well, I'm still alive and healthy
    enough<g>. Dunno know about my brain <shudder>
    I certainly haven't had a bath in it!

    What I picked up is: Punjah's Mustard Oil, 100% pure, 750ml [quote]
    from the best quality seeds. No other ingredient.
    Nutrition: per 15ml - 13.5g Fat, Colesterol nil, other stuff 0g
    Processed and packed by Punjah & Son, Lautoka, Fiji.

    Pretty sure this is the brand I have used previously.

    Cheers

    --Bron

  19. Phred, if you want me to mail you a bottle, holler. I paid reduced
    price of $4, normally $6. Past used by date but hardly likely to have
    gone off. Looks a beautiful golden colour.

    --Bron

  20. Phred said:

    That said, I know a bloke who swears he was able to buy a bottle of it
    at an Indian speciality store in the tourist ghetto of Cairns, which
    is only about an hour from here (and downhill at that 🙂. However,
    from what you have also said, I'm wondering if that "mustard oil" was
    in fact "the real thing". And, if it's a substitute, I wonder how
    good it is as a substitute? [ Comment Ronnie, if you're listening? ]

    It may be a substitute along these lines. Real mustard oil
    is a true extract, I believe.

    Mustard Oil

    2 tablespoons dry mustard powder
    1 teaspoon turmeric
    1 teaspoon salt
    2 cups canola oil
    Water

    In a bowl, whisk mustard, turmeric and salt with water to
    form a paste. Whisk in oil and let stand overnight. Mixture
    will separate, don't remix before using, you want to use the
    clear flavored oil off the top.

    --
    Reg email: RegForte (at) (that free MS email service) (dot) com

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