Oh, Man!!

Ted said:

If anyone suggests riding in the icy weather, DON'T DO IT!!
I thought there were no more puddles left because it had been so
warm and dry the day before so I was out at night riding cautiously
with my hybrid and knobby tires. Around the back of a building,
turning left, my rear wheel slid to the right, my left foot went down
but was also on ice, and my knee bent laterally. Needless to say, I
went down. My knee had no lateral support and I could bear no weight
on it. I was able to climb back on my bike and ride 3/4 miles home.
Now I find I have fractured both tibial spines avulsing the cruciate
ligament and have a plateau fracture of the tibia. Fortunately less
than 1mm displacement and hopefully will need no surgery but I expect
to be in a long leg brace for six or more weeks.
I supposed studs would have saved me. Come to think of it...so
would a bent, but that could have lead to an elbow fracture. At least
this way I can still go to work and support myself in the manner to
which I want to be accustomed.
Hey, be careful out there.

Sorry to hear about your crash. Think about studs. Ice is very difficult
to avoid and gets everybody sooner or later, studs are cheap insurance
for winter riding -- get the good ones (Nokian).

Ted said:

If anyone suggests riding in the icy weather, DON'T DO IT!!
I thought there were no more puddles left because it had been so
warm and dry the day before so I was out at night riding cautiously
with my hybrid and knobby tires. Around the back of a building,
turning left, my rear wheel slid to the right, my left foot went down
but was also on ice, and my knee bent laterally. Needless to say, I
went down. My knee had no lateral support and I could bear no weight
on it. I was able to climb back on my bike and ride 3/4 miles home.
Now I find I have fractured both tibial spines avulsing the cruciate
ligament and have a plateau fracture of the tibia. Fortunately less
than 1mm displacement and hopefully will need no surgery but I expect
to be in a long leg brace for six or more weeks.
I supposed studs would have saved me. Come to think of it...so
would a bent, but that could have lead to an elbow fracture. At least
this way I can still go to work and support myself in the manner to
which I want to be accustomed.
Hey, be careful out there.

Sorry to hear about your crash. Think about studs. Ice is very difficult
to avoid and gets everybody sooner or later, studs are cheap insurance
for winter riding -- get the good ones (Nokian).

Peter Cole said:

Ted said:

If anyone suggests riding in the icy weather, DON'T DO IT!!
I thought there were no more puddles left because it had been so
warm and dry the day before so I was out at night riding cautiously
with my hybrid and knobby tires. Around the back of a building,
turning left, my rear wheel slid to the right, my left foot went down
but was also on ice, and my knee bent laterally. Needless to say, I
went down. My knee had no lateral support and I could bear no weight
on it. I was able to climb back on my bike and ride 3/4 miles home.
Now I find I have fractured both tibial spines avulsing the cruciate
ligament and have a plateau fracture of the tibia. Fortunately less
than 1mm displacement and hopefully will need no surgery but I expect
to be in a long leg brace for six or more weeks.
I supposed studs would have saved me. Come to think of it...so
would a bent, but that could have lead to an elbow fracture. At least
this way I can still go to work and support myself in the manner to
which I want to be accustomed.
Hey, be careful out there.

Sorry to hear about your crash. Think about studs. Ice is very difficult
to avoid and gets everybody sooner or later, studs are cheap insurance
for winter riding -- get the good ones (Nokian).

Do you normally rotate them on and off as conditions dictate? Today
there was a bit of ice riding through the park as I left home (around
1.5 miles) but the last 12.5 is on roads and there may have been no
ice at all. How much do studs add to rolling resistance? And do they
have them for 700*38?

Peter Cole said:

Ted said:

If anyone suggests riding in the icy weather, DON'T DO IT!!
I thought there were no more puddles left because it had been so
warm and dry the day before so I was out at night riding cautiously
with my hybrid and knobby tires. Around the back of a building,
turning left, my rear wheel slid to the right, my left foot went down
but was also on ice, and my knee bent laterally. Needless to say, I
went down. My knee had no lateral support and I could bear no weight
on it. I was able to climb back on my bike and ride 3/4 miles home.
Now I find I have fractured both tibial spines avulsing the cruciate
ligament and have a plateau fracture of the tibia. Fortunately less
than 1mm displacement and hopefully will need no surgery but I expect
to be in a long leg brace for six or more weeks.
I supposed studs would have saved me. Come to think of it...so
would a bent, but that could have lead to an elbow fracture. At least
this way I can still go to work and support myself in the manner to
which I want to be accustomed.
Hey, be careful out there.

Sorry to hear about your crash. Think about studs. Ice is very difficult
to avoid and gets everybody sooner or later, studs are cheap insurance
for winter riding -- get the good ones (Nokian).

Do you normally rotate them on and off as conditions dictate? Today
there was a bit of ice riding through the park as I left home (around
1.5 miles) but the last 12.5 is on roads and there may have been no
ice at all. How much do studs add to rolling resistance? And do they
have them for 700*38?

dgk said:

Quoted message said:

Sorry to hear about your crash. Think about studs. Ice is very difficult
to avoid and gets everybody sooner or later, studs are cheap insurance
for winter riding -- get the good ones (Nokian).

Do you normally rotate them on and off as conditions dictate? Today
there was a bit of ice riding through the park as I left home (around
1.5 miles) but the last 12.5 is on roads and there may have been no
ice at all. How much do studs add to rolling resistance? And do they
have them for 700*38?

I only use my studs when there is ice/snow that can't be avoided. In
fact, I rotate bikes, so my snow bike (rigid mountain bike with fenders
and studded tires) only goes out in those conditions. Actually, the studs
don't help with new snowfall, either, but knobby tires do. But on ice
nothing works except studs. I can ride on roads that I can't walk on,
with the studs.

Studs do add to rolling resistance -- noticeably. They also wear, and
using them on dry roads will wear out both you and the studs.

--

David L. Johnson

__o | Enron's slogan: Respect, Communication, Integrity, and
_`\(,_ | Excellence.
(_)/ (_) |

dgk said:

Quoted message said:

Sorry to hear about your crash. Think about studs. Ice is very difficult
to avoid and gets everybody sooner or later, studs are cheap insurance
for winter riding -- get the good ones (Nokian).

Do you normally rotate them on and off as conditions dictate? Today
there was a bit of ice riding through the park as I left home (around
1.5 miles) but the last 12.5 is on roads and there may have been no
ice at all. How much do studs add to rolling resistance? And do they
have them for 700*38?

I only use my studs when there is ice/snow that can't be avoided. In
fact, I rotate bikes, so my snow bike (rigid mountain bike with fenders
and studded tires) only goes out in those conditions. Actually, the studs
don't help with new snowfall, either, but knobby tires do. But on ice
nothing works except studs. I can ride on roads that I can't walk on,
with the studs.

Studs do add to rolling resistance -- noticeably. They also wear, and
using them on dry roads will wear out both you and the studs.

--

David L. Johnson

__o | Enron's slogan: Respect, Communication, Integrity, and
_`\(,_ | Excellence.
(_)/ (_) |

dgk said:

Peter Cole said:

Ted said:

If anyone suggests riding in the icy weather, DON'T DO IT!!

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Sorry to hear about your crash. Think about studs. Ice is very difficult
to avoid and gets everybody sooner or later, studs are cheap insurance
for winter riding -- get the good ones (Nokian).

Do you normally rotate them on and off as conditions dictate? Today
there was a bit of ice riding through the park as I left home (around
1.5 miles) but the last 12.5 is on roads and there may have been no
ice at all. How much do studs add to rolling resistance? And do they
have them for 700*38?

I used to rotate them (using a spare wheel set), sometimes only running
a front stud, but I found it was easier just leaving them on since when
I needed them invariably I didn't have them (ice can be hard to predict
here in Boston). They definitely work well on ice, and help on
hard-packed snow.

Around here (Boston), there's usually enough grit on the street to
prevent skids, except after a period of rain/melt + cold snap. Mornings
can be bad. Most bike paths are plowed but not sanded, so those can be a
skating rink.

They contribute a lot to RR and are pretty heavy. The RR and some of the
weight comes mainly from the rather deep tread. I have Nokian brand,
made in Finland. They use tungsten carbide studs (like car tires), and
they pretty much last forever (unlike cheaper brands which use hardened
steel studs -- OK for off-road).

The only problem I have with them is the speed disadvantage on fast club
rides. A couple of weeks ago I was really impressed with a guy who
showed up with them on a fixed gear and had no problem keeping up
(pulled the pace line a good part of the ride). Hey, it's a better
winter workout, too!

I have one pair of road tires (102 studs each) in a 700x35 size, and MTB
(26"😉 tires, one with 192 and one with 296 studs. Off-road riding on
frozen lakes/streams/trails is a lot of fun.

For lots of info:
<http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/studdedtires.asp>

dgk said:

Peter Cole said:

Ted said:

If anyone suggests riding in the icy weather, DON'T DO IT!!

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Sorry to hear about your crash. Think about studs. Ice is very difficult
to avoid and gets everybody sooner or later, studs are cheap insurance
for winter riding -- get the good ones (Nokian).

Do you normally rotate them on and off as conditions dictate? Today
there was a bit of ice riding through the park as I left home (around
1.5 miles) but the last 12.5 is on roads and there may have been no
ice at all. How much do studs add to rolling resistance? And do they
have them for 700*38?

I used to rotate them (using a spare wheel set), sometimes only running
a front stud, but I found it was easier just leaving them on since when
I needed them invariably I didn't have them (ice can be hard to predict
here in Boston). They definitely work well on ice, and help on
hard-packed snow.

Around here (Boston), there's usually enough grit on the street to
prevent skids, except after a period of rain/melt + cold snap. Mornings
can be bad. Most bike paths are plowed but not sanded, so those can be a
skating rink.

They contribute a lot to RR and are pretty heavy. The RR and some of the
weight comes mainly from the rather deep tread. I have Nokian brand,
made in Finland. They use tungsten carbide studs (like car tires), and
they pretty much last forever (unlike cheaper brands which use hardened
steel studs -- OK for off-road).

The only problem I have with them is the speed disadvantage on fast club
rides. A couple of weeks ago I was really impressed with a guy who
showed up with them on a fixed gear and had no problem keeping up
(pulled the pace line a good part of the ride). Hey, it's a better
winter workout, too!

I have one pair of road tires (102 studs each) in a 700x35 size, and MTB
(26"😉 tires, one with 192 and one with 296 studs. Off-road riding on
frozen lakes/streams/trails is a lot of fun.

For lots of info:
<http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/studdedtires.asp>

"Ted" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I supposed studs would have saved me. Come to think of it...so
would a bent, but that could have lead to an elbow fracture.

Yeah, studs would help. I can't add anything useful to the fine posts Peter
and David did.

A recumbent trike would also work.

"Ted" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I supposed studs would have saved me. Come to think of it...so
would a bent, but that could have lead to an elbow fracture.

Yeah, studs would help. I can't add anything useful to the fine posts Peter
and David did.

A recumbent trike would also work.