Oh dear

Paul Boyd said:

I don't think I've ever asked people to take me seriously :-)

Life's too short!

On the one hand, quite reasonable, but on the other is the fact that
people will be taking you seriously whether you want them to or not...

Pete.
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Quoted message said:

http://motoring.independent.co.uk/comment/article1999258.ece

Warning: Contains h*lm*ts

"...65 per cent less likely to suffer brain damage and almost 75 per cent
less likely to sustain a serious brain injury if you wear a helmet."

Hmm, have BHIT finally stopped sending out the 'wrong' figures for that
study?

lardyninja ([email hidden]) wrote:
: James Daley has lost the plot...

: http://motoring.independent.co.uk/comment/article1999258.ece

Sent to [email hidden]:

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James Daley is worried about cyclists not wearing helmets.

I for my part am constantly amazed by the number of
pedestrians in Britain who still don't bother to wear a
helmet. For too many, it still comes down to a matter of
fashion or merely apathy.

After all, in the UK walking a mile is more likely to get
you seriously injured or killed than cycling a mile,
according to government statistics.

Or could it be possible that Mr. Daley doesn't base his
assessment of which risks need mitigating so much on data
but rather on the marketing hype surrounding a product?

***

Paul Boyd usenet.dont.work@plusnet said:

Peter Clinch said the following on 22/11/2006 09:36:

Quoted message said:

But they really /are/ important, or you just invite people to not
take you seriously.

I don't think I've ever asked people to take me seriously :-)

Life's too short!

"Do you know who I am? DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM?"

"No but Matron will be along shortly and I'm sure she'll be able to
tell you."

Chris
--
Chris Eilbeck

in message <[email hidden]>, Peter Fox

(') said:

Following on from Tony Raven's message. . .

Quoted message said:

Dim Dave wrote on 21/11/2006 18:39 +0100:

Quoted message said:

I have been cycling in London for 40 years (as of this summer) I have
never ever worn a cycle helmet. I don't like them. But Mr Daley -
whoever he is - makes what will seem to a lot of people a reasonable
case.

He demolishes the notion which I often rely on in arguments that
studies
show compulsory helmet laws make cycling less polular. Is he right in
what he says about the introduction of the law in Australia? Does
anybody here know the facts of this and where those facts might be
published?

There are so many factual errors in his article it is difficult to know
where to start but no, he is wrong about Australia. If you want to read
up about it then http://www.cyclehelmets.org covers it all including the
evidence and counter-evidence from Australia.

Surely this is within the remit of the Press Complaints Commission.

A list of errors doesn't have to go into detail just a reference to the
appropriate section in www.cyclehelmets.org.

If the editor doesn't fess-up then complaining is easy.

The first item of the Code Of practice is given below.

Free and easy, but I don't have the rebuttal matters at my finger tips.

Would anyone like to co-operate with me on this?

--
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;; Drivers in the UK kill more people every single year than
;; Al Qaeda have ever killed worldwide in any single year.

Quoted message said:

Would anyone like to co-operate with me on this?

I've got a fair bit of work to do at the mo, so yeah I'm game.

--
This is a work-displacement activity. Expect lengthy replies until the
deadline has passed.

Mark Thompson wrote on 23/11/2006 00:23 +0100:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Would anyone like to co-operate with me on this?

I've got a fair bit of work to do at the mo, so yeah I'm game.

Perhaps we should rename this group uk.rec.displacementactivity ;-)

--
Tony

"Anyone who conducts an argument by appealing to authority is not using
his intelligence; he is just using his memory."
- Leonardo da Vinci

in message <[email hidden]>, Tony Raven

(') said:

Mark Thompson wrote on 23/11/2006 00:23 +0100:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Would anyone like to co-operate with me on this?

I've got a fair bit of work to do at the mo, so yeah I'm game.

Perhaps we should rename this group uk.rec.displacementactivity ;-)

Oh, [censored], that is /much/ too close to the mark. I'm suffering from an
imminent deadline and a bug in an IBM runtime system I can't find a
workaround for.

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;; when in the [censored], the wise man plants courgettes

Simon Brooke wrote on 23/11/2006 14:52 +0100:

Quoted message said:

in message <[email hidden]>, Tony Raven

(') said:

Mark Thompson wrote on 23/11/2006 00:23 +0100:

Quoted message said:

> Would anyone like to co-operate with me on this?
I've got a fair bit of work to do at the mo, so yeah I'm game.

Perhaps we should rename this group uk.rec.displacementactivity ;-)

Oh, [censored], that is /much/ too close to the mark. I'm suffering from an
imminent deadline and a bug in an IBM runtime system I can't find a
workaround for.

So pick a topic to displace onto and press send ;-)

--
Tony

"Anyone who conducts an argument by appealing to authority is not using
his intelligence; he is just using his memory."
- Leonardo da Vinci

lardyninja said:

James Daley has lost the plot...

http://motoring.independent.co.uk/comment/article1999258.ece

Warning: Contains h*lm*ts

Very pleased to see Malcolm Wardlaw's response in this Friday's Independent
given top billing in the letters page. It was an excellent, careful and
moderate rebuttal.

Even more pleased because I'd forgotten all about the issue when I bought
the paper.

A

"Ambrose Nankivell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

lardyninja said:

James Daley has lost the plot...

http://motoring.independent.co.uk/comment/article1999258.ece

Warning: Contains h*lm*ts

Very pleased to see Malcolm Wardlaw's response in this Friday's

Independent

Quoted message said:

given top billing in the letters page. It was an excellent, careful and
moderate rebuttal.

Even more pleased because I'd forgotten all about the issue when I bought
the paper.

A

It would be even better if we could have a column.

--
David Lloyd,
The pub is responsible for my opinions.