Off Topic: Iran Suicide Recruitment & Training

Lee Michaels said:

I really don't like to fan the flames of religious stereotypes. But
this is over the top. The Iranian government wants to train large
numbers of suicide bombers. Word is that they already have 50,000
volunteers. Big time scary development. If these freaks were used
to any degree against western targets, Iran would become a radiactive
wasteland.
http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2949

I'm not at all surprised. If we allow them to attain nuclear weapon
capabilities, we are beyond stupid as a Country.

When will people realize this is a religious war? You can be an atheist,
but still recognize that fact. They want to convert or destroy anybody who
isn't Muslim. If you are an atheist, you are just as much an infidel as a
Christian in their eyes.
--
-Larry

"The troll hasn't been born who can troll us worse than we troll
ourselves." Hugh Beyer

Larry Hodges said:

Lee Michaels said:

I really don't like to fan the flames of religious stereotypes. But
this is over the top. The Iranian government wants to train large
numbers of suicide bombers. Word is that they already have 50,000
volunteers. Big time scary development. If these freaks were used
to any degree against western targets, Iran would become a radiactive
wasteland.
http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2949

I'm not at all surprised. If we allow them to attain nuclear weapon
capabilities, we are beyond stupid as a Country.

When will people realize this is a religious war?

I'm not sure what you mean by "this". Iran isn't at war (yet)

The war with Iraq wasn't religious, it was a war with secular Arab nationalism.

btw, Tariq Aziz is a christian.

Iran is an Islamic fundamentalist state, and they just replaced a moderate prime
minister with an extremist who was involved in the hostage incident.

Arab fascists are bad, but the fundamentalists are worse.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

Larry Hodges said:

Lee Michaels said:

I really don't like to fan the flames of religious stereotypes. But
this is over the top. The Iranian government wants to train large
numbers of suicide bombers. Word is that they already have 50,000
volunteers. Big time scary development. If these freaks were used
to any degree against western targets, Iran would become a radiactive
wasteland.
http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2949

I'm not at all surprised. If we allow them to attain nuclear weapon
capabilities, we are beyond stupid as a Country.

When will people realize this is a religious war?

I'm not sure what you mean by "this". Iran isn't at war (yet)

The war with Iraq wasn't religious, it was a war with secular Arab nationalism.

btw, Tariq Aziz is a christian.

Iran is an Islamic fundamentalist state, and they just replaced a moderate prime
minister with an extremist who was involved in the hostage incident.

Arab fascists are bad, but the fundamentalists are worse.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

Lee Michaels said:

I really don't like to fan the flames of religious stereotypes. But this is
over the top. The Iranian government wants to train large numbers of suicide
bombers. Word is that they already have 50,000 volunteers. Big time scary
development. If these freaks were used to any degree against western
targets, Iran would become a radiactive wasteland.

http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2949

Wow, I really see some progress on the subject of women's equality!

Dally

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Quoted message said:

I really don't like to fan the flames of religious stereotypes. But this
is over the top. The Iranian government wants to train large numbers of
suicide bombers. Word is that they already have 50,000 volunteers. Big
time scary development. If these freaks were used to any degree against
western targets, Iran would become a radiactive wasteland.

http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2949

I'm not a fan of suicide bombers, but it's the most effective weapon they
have. They cannot hope to compete with us on a military level, but they can
surely have Ahmed strap some plastic explosive to himself and KABOOM.

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Quoted message said:

I really don't like to fan the flames of religious stereotypes. But this
is over the top. The Iranian government wants to train large numbers of
suicide bombers. Word is that they already have 50,000 volunteers. Big
time scary development. If these freaks were used to any degree against
western targets, Iran would become a radiactive wasteland.

http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2949

I'm not a fan of suicide bombers, but it's the most effective weapon they
have. They cannot hope to compete with us on a military level, but they can
surely have Ahmed strap some plastic explosive to himself and KABOOM.

Gooserider said:

I'm not a fan of suicide bombers, but it's the most effective weapon they
have. They cannot hope to compete with us on a military level, but they can
surely have Ahmed strap some plastic explosive to himself and KABOOM.

But doesn't this defy logic? If they all do it, there'll be nobody
left to protest anything. Of course I realize we are talking about
sand-clogged brains here, but still...

TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."
S**t list: Charlie Bendahoe, TBR imposter

Gooserider said:

I'm not a fan of suicide bombers, but it's the most effective weapon they
have. They cannot hope to compete with us on a military level, but they can
surely have Ahmed strap some plastic explosive to himself and KABOOM.

But doesn't this defy logic? If they all do it, there'll be nobody
left to protest anything. Of course I realize we are talking about
sand-clogged brains here, but still...

TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."
S**t list: Charlie Bendahoe, TBR imposter

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Quoted message said:

Larry Hodges said:

Lee Michaels said:

I really don't like to fan the flames of religious stereotypes. But
this is over the top. The Iranian government wants to train large
numbers of suicide bombers. Word is that they already have 50,000
volunteers. Big time scary development. If these freaks were used
to any degree against western targets, Iran would become a radiactive
wasteland.
http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2949

I'm not at all surprised. If we allow them to attain nuclear weapon
capabilities, we are beyond stupid as a Country.

When will people realize this is a religious war?

I'm not sure what you mean by "this". Iran isn't at war (yet)

The war with Iraq wasn't religious, it was a war with secular Arab
nationalism.

btw, Tariq Aziz is a christian.

Iran is an Islamic fundamentalist state, and they just replaced a moderate
prime
minister with an extremist who was involved in the hostage incident.

Arab fascists are bad, but the fundamentalists are worse.

Cheers,

It surprises me how many people believe that Saddam Hussein and his regime
were fundamentalist Islam. They most definitely WERE NOT. The Iraqi
government, while brutal, was also secular. There were no religious police,
no public stonings. Women, Christians, and Jews all were allowed to do their
own thing. The people who bore the brunt of Saddam's rage were the
Shi'a---and they're the same whacky fundamentalists we're fighting NOW. We
will have succeeded in turning a secular state into an Islamic
fundamentalist state by the time we're done. Not a very well thought out
war, IMHO. Didn't anybody see this coming? Since Iraq is majority Shi'a, and
they were oppressed by the Sunni, didn't it make sense that the Shi'a would
take over and eventually enforce fundamentalist Islam?

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Quoted message said:

Larry Hodges said:

Lee Michaels said:

I really don't like to fan the flames of religious stereotypes. But
this is over the top. The Iranian government wants to train large
numbers of suicide bombers. Word is that they already have 50,000
volunteers. Big time scary development. If these freaks were used
to any degree against western targets, Iran would become a radiactive
wasteland.
http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2949

I'm not at all surprised. If we allow them to attain nuclear weapon
capabilities, we are beyond stupid as a Country.

When will people realize this is a religious war?

I'm not sure what you mean by "this". Iran isn't at war (yet)

The war with Iraq wasn't religious, it was a war with secular Arab
nationalism.

btw, Tariq Aziz is a christian.

Iran is an Islamic fundamentalist state, and they just replaced a moderate
prime
minister with an extremist who was involved in the hostage incident.

Arab fascists are bad, but the fundamentalists are worse.

Cheers,

It surprises me how many people believe that Saddam Hussein and his regime
were fundamentalist Islam. They most definitely WERE NOT. The Iraqi
government, while brutal, was also secular. There were no religious police,
no public stonings. Women, Christians, and Jews all were allowed to do their
own thing. The people who bore the brunt of Saddam's rage were the
Shi'a---and they're the same whacky fundamentalists we're fighting NOW. We
will have succeeded in turning a secular state into an Islamic
fundamentalist state by the time we're done. Not a very well thought out
war, IMHO. Didn't anybody see this coming? Since Iraq is majority Shi'a, and
they were oppressed by the Sunni, didn't it make sense that the Shi'a would
take over and eventually enforce fundamentalist Islam?

Gooserider said:

-and they're the same whacky fundamentalists we're fighting NOW.

And do you know why? Many years ago an idiot named Bush sr made a war
in Iraq, then, after promising the shiites protection if they helped
us, he enlisted their help. Well when the idiot decided he'd stop and
leave Saddam in power, he abandoned the shiites entirely, leaving them
to be slaughtered by the thousands by Saddam. I remember seeing pics
of the people we abandoned, in bloody messes, crying for help as we
left them to die.
See why they aren't too fond of americans?

TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."
S**t list: Charlie Bendahoe, TBR imposter

Donovan Rebbechi said:

Larry Hodges said:

Lee Michaels said:

I really don't like to fan the flames of religious stereotypes. But
this is over the top. The Iranian government wants to train large
numbers of suicide bombers. Word is that they already have 50,000
volunteers. Big time scary development. If these freaks were used
to any degree against western targets, Iran would become a
radiactive wasteland.
http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2949

I'm not at all surprised. If we allow them to attain nuclear weapon
capabilities, we are beyond stupid as a Country.

When will people realize this is a religious war?

I'm not sure what you mean by "this". Iran isn't at war (yet)

By "this" I mean the impending worldwide conflict that we will eventually
have with most, if not all, Muslim countries.

Quoted message said:

The war with Iraq wasn't religious, it was a war with secular Arab
nationalism.

It is still connected. Islam still forms the base for their society and
culture. Could women freely roam the streets in Iraq with their heads
uncovered when Saddam was in power?

Quoted message said:

btw, Tariq Aziz is a christian.

And?

Quoted message said:

Iran is an Islamic fundamentalist state, and they just replaced a
moderate prime minister with an extremist who was involved in the
hostage incident.

Arab fascists are bad, but the fundamentalists are worse.

Agreed. Unfortunately, there is a large percentage of the Muslim world that
fits the definition of "fundamentalist".

Quoted message said:

Cheers,

--
-Larry

"The troll hasn't been born who can troll us worse than we troll
ourselves." Hugh Beyer

Larry Hodges said:

It is still connected. Islam still forms the base for their society and
culture. Could women freely roam the streets in Iraq with their heads
uncovered when Saddam was in power?

More GWB [censored]! Using this logic, then the asswipe that blew up the
federal building was a christian, so all christians are guilty.

TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."
S**t list: Charlie Bendahoe, TBR imposter

Larry Hodges said:

It is still connected.

Not really.

Quoted message said:

Islam still forms the base for their society and
culture. Could women freely roam the streets in Iraq with their heads
uncovered when Saddam was in power?

Yes.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

btw, Tariq Aziz is a christian.

And?

And he was one of the top people in Saddam's government.

Arab nationalism is *not* the same thing as religious fundamentalism.
Different. In fact a competitor. Potentially a useful force for keeping the
fundies under control (which is what Saddam did) but also potentially
dangerous (like Saddam, or like any loony fascist). Saddam was more like
Kim Il Sung than he was like Khomeni.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

Larry Hodges said:

It is still connected.

Not really.

Quoted message said:

Islam still forms the base for their society and
culture. Could women freely roam the streets in Iraq with their heads
uncovered when Saddam was in power?

Yes.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

btw, Tariq Aziz is a christian.

And?

And he was one of the top people in Saddam's government.

Arab nationalism is *not* the same thing as religious fundamentalism.
Different. In fact a competitor. Potentially a useful force for keeping the
fundies under control (which is what Saddam did) but also potentially
dangerous (like Saddam, or like any loony fascist). Saddam was more like
Kim Il Sung than he was like Khomeni.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

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Gooserider said:

-and they're the same whacky fundamentalists we're fighting NOW.

And do you know why? Many years ago an idiot named Bush sr made a war
in Iraq, then, after promising the shiites protection if they helped
us, he enlisted their help. Well when the idiot decided he'd stop and
leave Saddam in power, he abandoned the shiites entirely, leaving them
to be slaughtered by the thousands by Saddam. I remember seeing pics
of the people we abandoned, in bloody messes, crying for help as we
left them to die.
See why they aren't too fond of americans?

TBR

And why did we abandon them? Because Bush Sr. knew that while Saddam was a
[censored], he was a damn sight better than an Islamofascist regime. Apparently
his administration was way smarter than GWBs. I personally don't care if
every single fundamentalist Shi'ite is wiped from the face of the Earth, and
I don't shed a tear for the ones Saddam killed. He HAD to kill those people
to keep them from plunging Iraq into Islamofascism. Get it? Fundamentalist
Islam = bad.

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Gooserider said:

-and they're the same whacky fundamentalists we're fighting NOW.

And do you know why? Many years ago an idiot named Bush sr made a war
in Iraq, then, after promising the shiites protection if they helped
us, he enlisted their help. Well when the idiot decided he'd stop and
leave Saddam in power, he abandoned the shiites entirely, leaving them
to be slaughtered by the thousands by Saddam. I remember seeing pics
of the people we abandoned, in bloody messes, crying for help as we
left them to die.
See why they aren't too fond of americans?

TBR

And why did we abandon them? Because Bush Sr. knew that while Saddam was a
[censored], he was a damn sight better than an Islamofascist regime. Apparently
his administration was way smarter than GWBs. I personally don't care if
every single fundamentalist Shi'ite is wiped from the face of the Earth, and
I don't shed a tear for the ones Saddam killed. He HAD to kill those people
to keep them from plunging Iraq into Islamofascism. Get it? Fundamentalist
Islam = bad.

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Donovan Rebbechi said:

Larry Hodges said:

Lee Michaels wrote:
> I really don't like to fan the flames of religious stereotypes. But
> this is over the top. The Iranian government wants to train large
> numbers of suicide bombers. Word is that they already have 50,000
> volunteers. Big time scary development. If these freaks were used
> to any degree against western targets, Iran would become a
> radiactive wasteland.
> http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2949

I'm not at all surprised. If we allow them to attain nuclear weapon
capabilities, we are beyond stupid as a Country.

When will people realize this is a religious war?

I'm not sure what you mean by "this". Iran isn't at war (yet)

By "this" I mean the impending worldwide conflict that we will eventually
have with most, if not all, Muslim countries.

Quoted message said:

The war with Iraq wasn't religious, it was a war with secular Arab
nationalism.

It is still connected. Islam still forms the base for their society and
culture. Could women freely roam the streets in Iraq with their heads
uncovered when Saddam was in power?

Um, yes. And they could go to school, get college degrees, and hold
positions in both business AND the government. Unlike Saudi Arabia.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

btw, Tariq Aziz is a christian.

And?

There are no Christians or Jews in positions of power in Saudi or Iran. Iraq
was not an Islamofascist state, and Saddam was no religious zealot. He was a
whiskey drinking whoremonger.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Iran is an Islamic fundamentalist state, and they just replaced a
moderate prime minister with an extremist who was involved in the
hostage incident.

Arab fascists are bad, but the fundamentalists are worse.

Agreed. Unfortunately, there is a large percentage of the Muslim world
that fits the definition of "fundamentalist".

And Iraq under Saddam was not one of them.

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Gooserider said:

I'm not a fan of suicide bombers, but it's the most effective weapon they
have. They cannot hope to compete with us on a military level, but they
can
surely have Ahmed strap some plastic explosive to himself and KABOOM.

But doesn't this defy logic? If they all do it, there'll be nobody
left to protest anything. Of course I realize we are talking about
sand-clogged brains here, but still...

TBR

Nope. It's a war of attrition, and they can sacrifice enough people to
weaken our resolve. Trust me, if enough boys come back in body bags or
missing limbs, the troops will be out of there. This is going to be a huge
issue in the next election.