Off to Italy

Colin Campbell said:

Is there anything else I should bring along?

All of us?

Joseph

PS: In all seriousness, it may be cold up there, so bring a shell,
tights, etc. You never know.

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Colin Campbell said:

Quoted message said:

Is there anything else I should bring along?

PS: In all seriousness, it may be cold up there, so bring a shell,
tights, etc. You never know.

Oh yes. I was cold enough in long legs and decent waterproof on the top of
the Croix de Fer in the pouring rain - I did think those in lighter-weight
gear looked like they were going to get pretty miserable.

When doing the Alpe D'huez, don't just do the climb the racers do - carry on
out the back to the proper top at about 2000m, it's far prettier, if a
little more bumpy. (it is still road though :-) )

cheers,
clive

Colin Campbell said:

I'm off with a friend to ride in the Dolomites. We're going on an
"Employee Week" for CSC employees, and we'll have Cervelo bikes supplied
for our week.

I'm taking my pedals and shoes, a pump, and a computer at the suggestion
of the trip organizer. (We're doing an organized ride that traces the
route of Stage 15 of the Giro, so we figure we'll need to be able to
track distances to stay on course.)

After we leave the Italian Alps, we're going to try Alpe d'Huez on
rental bikes.

Is there anything else I should bring along?

Be honest: You're posting this just to make us jealous. Right? ;-)

- Frank Krygowski

Colin Campbell said:

I'm off with a friend to ride in the Dolomites. We're going on an
"Employee Week" for CSC employees, and we'll have Cervelo bikes supplied
for our week.

I'm taking my pedals and shoes, a pump, and a computer at the suggestion
of the trip organizer. (We're doing an organized ride that traces the
route of Stage 15 of the Giro, so we figure we'll need to be able to
track distances to stay on course.)

After we leave the Italian Alps, we're going to try Alpe d'Huez on
rental bikes.

Is there anything else I should bring along?

Hmmm.. stage 15? Bring along low enough gears, it's a hell of a stage.

Lou

Quoted message said:

Colin Campbell said:

Is there anything else I should bring along?

All of us?

Joseph

PS: In all seriousness, it may be cold up there, so bring a shell,
tights, etc. You never know.

Weather reports and forecasts have been frightening. I'm bringing all
my "winter" stuff, which is probably not nearly enough, considering I
winter in Southern California. Lows have been in the -4C range, with
highs not even up to +10C.

Full fingered gloves, leg warmers, base layers, long sleeved jerseys,
jacket, cap for under my helmet, and I'll still be cold.

CSC has said they would supply us with a complete kit for the Gran Fondo
ride next Saturday, but it'll be buried under several more layers in my
case....

You're all welcome to come along!

Frank Krygowski said:

Colin Campbell said:

I'm off with a friend to ride in the Dolomites. We're going on an
"Employee Week" for CSC employees, and we'll have Cervelo bikes supplied
for our week.

I'm taking my pedals and shoes, a pump, and a computer at the suggestion
of the trip organizer. (We're doing an organized ride that traces the
route of Stage 15 of the Giro, so we figure we'll need to be able to
track distances to stay on course.)

After we leave the Italian Alps, we're going to try Alpe d'Huez on
rental bikes.

Is there anything else I should bring along?

Be honest: You're posting this just to make us jealous. Right? ;-)

- Frank Krygowski

Absolutely!

And you're not making any constructive suggestions because I succeeded,
right? <G>

Lou Holtman said:

Colin Campbell said:

I'm off with a friend to ride in the Dolomites. We're going on an
"Employee Week" for CSC employees, and we'll have Cervelo bikes
supplied for our week.

I'm taking my pedals and shoes, a pump, and a computer at the
suggestion of the trip organizer. (We're doing an organized ride that
traces the route of Stage 15 of the Giro, so we figure we'll need to
be able to track distances to stay on course.)

After we leave the Italian Alps, we're going to try Alpe d'Huez on
rental bikes.

Is there anything else I should bring along?

Hmmm.. stage 15? Bring along low enough gears, it's a hell of a stage.

Lou

I'm told the Team CSC Cervelo bikes are equipped with compact double
chain rings, and a 12 - 27 cassette. I'd like to have more, but I'll
just have to make do.

Colin Campbell said:

I'm off with a friend to ride in the Dolomites. We're going on an
"Employee Week" for CSC employees, and we'll have Cervelo bikes
supplied for our week.

I'm taking my pedals and shoes, a pump, and a computer at the
suggestion of the trip organizer. (We're doing an organized ride
that traces the route of Stage 15 of the Giro, so we figure we'll
need to be able to track distances to stay on course.)

After we leave the Italian Alps, we're going to try Alpe d'Huez on
rental bikes.

Is there anything else I should bring along?

Me.

Colin Campbell said:

Quoted message said:

On May 19, 4:10 pm, Colin Campbell <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Is there anything else I should bring along?

Quoted message said:

All of us?

Quoted message said:

Joseph

Quoted message said:

PS: In all seriousness, it may be cold up there, so bring a shell,
tights, etc. You never know.

Weather reports and forecasts have been frightening.  I'm bringing all
my "winter" stuff, which is probably not nearly enough, considering I
winter in Southern California.  Lows have been in the -4C range, with
highs not even up to +10C.

Full fingered gloves, leg warmers, base layers, long sleeved jerseys,
jacket, cap for under my helmet, and I'll still be cold.

CSC has said they would supply us with a complete kit for the Gran Fondo
ride next Saturday, but it'll be buried under several more layers in my
case....

You're all welcome to come along!

Got to be at least 12C before I break out the shorts. My most
important cycling garment for cool/cold weather is a wind-proof
Giordana undershirt. As long as I can keep the wind out, I'm fine.

If you ride in SoCal, your tights are maybe not windproof. Get some
new ones that are.

Joseph

Colin Campbell said:

Lou Holtman said:

Colin Campbell said:

I'm off with a friend to ride in the Dolomites. We're going on an
"Employee Week" for CSC employees, and we'll have Cervelo bikes
supplied for our week.

I'm taking my pedals and shoes, a pump, and a computer at the
suggestion of the trip organizer. (We're doing an organized ride
that traces the route of Stage 15 of the Giro, so we figure we'll
need to be able to track distances to stay on course.)

After we leave the Italian Alps, we're going to try Alpe d'Huez on
rental bikes.

Is there anything else I should bring along?

Hmmm.. stage 15? Bring along low enough gears, it's a hell of a stage.

Lou

I'm told the Team CSC Cervelo bikes are equipped with compact double
chain rings, and a 12 - 27 cassette. I'd like to have more, but I'll
just have to make do.

Ai, Passo Fedaia as the final climb with 36/27 or lets hope 34/27,
That's gone hurt ;-) Look at the youtube movie here:

http://wielrennen.blog.nl/cols/2008/05/14/passo-fedaia-marmolada

The view is spectacular though ;-)

Lou

Colin Campbell said:

Weather reports and forecasts have been frightening.

With good reason.
I am pretty sure that right now you can get snowed in a little above
the 2000m mark.
Be sure you can carry dry warm cloths, just in case.
The 39-27 combination 'should' be enough, if not comfortable, even u
from Serai di Sottoguda.

In case you seek further tips and advices do write and ask.
I know those roads very well.

Sergio
Pisa

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Colin Campbell said:

Weather reports and forecasts have been frightening.

sergio said:

With good reason.
I am pretty sure that right now you can get snowed in a little above
the 2000m mark.
Be sure you can carry dry warm cloths, just in case.
The 39-27 combination 'should' be enough, if not comfortable, even u
from Serai di Sottoguda.

In case you seek further tips and advices do write and ask.
I know those roads very well.
Sergio
Pisa

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ahhh, from the era when the object of the ride was the ride, not the
bike. Where the bike was there to get you there, not there to swoon
and gush over before the ride.

Although that was just last summer, on my first racing bike still
running strong since 1972.

Sergio
Pisa

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ahhh, from the era when the object of the ride was the ride, not the
bike. Where the bike was there to get you there, not there to swoon
and gush over before the ride.

Excuse me? When, exactly, was that era?

I raced during the early 70s. And my bike was every bit as special to me
then as my current bike is to me now. Maybe even more so. David Stoller in
Breaking Away, lovingly working on that piece-of-trash bike in the garage
before the big race? Well, my bike wasn't a piece-of-trash AMF Roadmaster,
but neither was it a utility, a mere device of conveyence. David Stoller saw
something wonderful, a potential, in that AMF bicycle. And I saw something
wonderful in my French-made "Orly" racing bike, a $49 10-speed bought from
Macy's (of all places, back when they had a bike department).

I had a copy of "Anybody's Bike Book" and learned how to rebuild that bike
from the ground-up. Every ride on that bike was a magical experience. Same
thing later on, when I bought a Gitane Tour de France, my first "real"
racing bike. And eventually my Cinelli, an Italian work of art that I had to
wait 6 months for (the actual waiting list was over a year, but someone
cancelled out on one nearly identical to what I'd ordered). Each of those
bikes had a special place in my life. They were most certainly more than
objects that would get me from one place to another. They had personalities,
style, and I shared experiences with them.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

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Quoted message said:

Colin Campbell said:

Weather reports and forecasts have been frightening.

sergio said:

With good reason.
I am pretty sure that right now you can get snowed in a little above
the 2000m mark.
Be sure you can carry dry warm cloths, just in case.
The 39-27 combination 'should' be enough, if not comfortable, even u
from Serai di Sottoguda.

Quoted message said:

In case you seek further tips and advices do write and ask.
I know those roads very well.
Sergio
Pisa

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ahhh, from the era when the object of the ride was the ride, not the
bike. Where the bike was there to get you there, not there to swoon
and gush over before the ride.

On May 22, 8:06 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]>

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Quoted message said:

ahhh, from the era when the object of the ride was the ride, not the
bike. Where the bike was there to get you there, not there to swoon
and gush over before the ride.

Excuse me? When, exactly, was that era?

Perhaps the era, but not that bike!
Do not belittle it.

That bike, a ZAPIER, was built by tha late Piero Zaccagnini of
Pontedera, a bike mechanic very well known the country over, often at
the services of Squadra Sammontana. He provided bikes also to Squadra
Ferretti of nearby Capannoli, winner of a Giro d'Italia too with Gosta
Petterson.
Piero used to have framesets assembled by Luigi Daccordi, of Montopoli
Valdarno, recently moved to San Miniato Basso.
My frame is in fact a Daccordi.

That ZAPIER bike was custom made for me, built and assembled to the
best standards of the time: simply the best racing bike one could then
have, I was told by Piero. He would buidt racing bikes only for local
teams, whether amateur or professional, and I was an exception as a
customer.
I intended to have the best possible bike, most efficient and so most
adequate to tour. Which I did over the years and luckily still do.

In fact, it has taken me to places you can hardly imagine.
Nor should I waste even a minute to tell you, Peter.

Sergio
Pisa

Colin Campbell said:

I'm off with a friend to ride in the Dolomites.
Is there anything else I should bring along?

Sunscreen, sunglasses and an after bike cap. Your address book so you can send gloating postcards.

On May 22, 12:06 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

ahhh, from the era when the object of the ride was the ride, not the
bike. Where the bike was there to get you there, not there to swoon
and gush over before the ride.

Excuse me? When, exactly, was that era?

Same era as my Ciocc, with Super Record and once built it just went.
Disappeared beneath me, was there everyday I needed it. Nobody in my
club got all weak kneed at the coffee shop before our weekend 4-6 hour
epic, pointing and lifting and talking about the latest gizmo, gadget
or latest, not compatible with anything else, widget. Our bikes were
our tools, not the object of annoying affection and weird lust of
another's ride. After the ride, we went home and cleaned them, checked
them so as to make sure they would do the same thing the next time we
rode them.

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On May 22, 12:06 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

ahhh, from the era when the object of the ride was the ride, not the
bike. Where the bike was there to get you there, not there to swoon
and gush over before the ride.

Excuse me? When, exactly, was that era?

Same era as my Ciocc, with Super Record and once built it just went.
Disappeared beneath me, was there everyday I needed it. Nobody in my
club got all weak kneed at the coffee shop before our weekend 4-6 hour
epic, pointing and lifting and talking about the latest gizmo, gadget
or latest, not compatible with anything else, widget. Our bikes were
our tools, not the object of annoying affection and weird lust of
another's ride. After the ride, we went home and cleaned them, checked
them so as to make sure they would do the same thing the next time we
rode them.

OK, the big difference is that, while I didn't expect ANYBODY else to lust
after my bike, well heck, I didn't want that because it would have made me
jealous. It was MINE to lust after. There's no way I had a purely mechanical
relationship with my bike. It was magical, and I expected nobody but me to
appreciate that. Perhaps that's the difference between what you're talking
about and the "coffee shop" crowd. I would never expect people to oggle my
bike at an event, and am somewhat embarassed when it happens (rather unique
paint job that does draw a bit of attention). Which, of course, is kinda
dumb since it might help me sell more product, but outside of the store,
when I'm riding, that's not really what I do. I ride.

Are we on the same page or am I still wrong to have had such a relationship
with my bike?

OK, you want to know how weird I was? As if you can't figure that out
without any further info? When I discovered, early on, that Robergel 3*
(trois etoille) spokes looked pretty but failed often, vs the
outrageously-ugly zinc-plated Robergel Sports that you couldn't kill... I'd
actually remove the zinc and polish the spokes up from time to time to make
them look nicer. And that wasn't for anybody else. That was for me. It was
something special I could do for my bike.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

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On May 22, 12:06 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

ahhh, from the era when the object of the ride was the ride, not the
bike. Where the bike was there to get you there, not there to swoon
and gush over before the ride.

Excuse me? When, exactly, was that era?

Same era as my Ciocc, with Super Record and once built it just went.
Disappeared beneath me, was there everyday I needed it. Nobody in my
club got all weak kneed at the coffee shop [...]

Perhaps, but on the other hand, the amount of gear-wankery described in
_The Rider_ (set in 1977) is pretty high. One rider is known as "le
Douze" for the special 12-tooth cog he specially sought out after
hearing that Merckx used one. Other riders are picking their gears from
their cog boxes before the race.

I realize that you were not like that, but I think there have been
gear-heads in cycling for quite some time. From Carl's studies, there
appears to be evidence for advanced equipment nuttiness back into the
Ordinary era.

Both gear-nut and gear-iconoclast at once,

Obgear: clubmate was riding the weirdest Mavics at the training race
tonight: ordinary shallow-section metal rims, but with the fattest
round-section carbon spokes I have ever seen. They looked like some sort
of deliberate effort to create the least aerodynamic wheel possible.

To his credit, they were loaners,

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