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Looking at this article on Eurosport..I am off to put my silver down at the bookies on Jan to win
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It looks like Lance is stepping down from a few spring classics, and with him losing his right
hand man..not a good signs for a Tour victory

Money down the drain!

KC

(NIGEL) said:

Looking at this article on Eurosport..I am off to put my silver down at the bookies on Jan to win
the TdF next year

Either way you're going to have to put down a fair amount of silver for a decent return

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Regards! Stephen

Never having learned how to put on a bookie's line I'll miss out on 14:1 on Tyler Hamilton. ;-| Bill

Two wheels are cool but four's a bore.

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Steve McGinty <[email hidden]> wrote:

: Either way you're going to have to put down a fair amount of silver for a decent return

hmmm

Armstrong 1.66 : 1 Ulrich 2.25 : 1 Beloki 14 : 1 Hamilton 14 : 1 Mayo 20 : 1

I'd be tempted by a punt on Ulrich and a small amount down on Beloki as an outside at those odds.
Hmmmmmmmmm

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Steve McGinty <[email hidden]> wrote:

: Either way you're going to have to put down a fair amount of silver for a decent return

hmmm

Armstrong 1.66 : 1 Ulrich 2.25 : 1 Beloki 14 : 1 Hamilton 14 : 1 Mayo 20 : 1

I'd be tempted by a punt on Ulrich and a small amount down on Beloki as an outside at those odds.
Hmmmmmmmmm

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Arthur Clune

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:44:00 +0100,

bikingbill said:

Never having learned how to put on a bookie's line I'll miss out on 14:1 on Tyler
Hamilton. ;-| Bill

Open an online account with MrBookmaker.com and it couldn't be simpler
- he will be very happy to part you from your hard earned cash.

Regards! Stephen

bikingbill said:

hmmm

Armstrong 1.66 : 1 Ulrich 2.25 : 1 Beloki 14 : 1 Hamilton 14 : 1 Mayo 20 : 1

I'd be tempted by a punt on Ulrich and a small amount down on Beloki as an outside at those odds.
Hmmmmmmmmm

You will never beat the bookies - get lucky occassionally maybe but as a way of making money its
only slightly better odds than supporting your friendly Nigerian offering cash.

Tony

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bikingbill said:

hmmm

Armstrong 1.66 : 1 Ulrich 2.25 : 1 Beloki 14 : 1 Hamilton 14 : 1 Mayo 20 : 1

I'd be tempted by a punt on Ulrich and a small amount down on Beloki as an outside at those odds.
Hmmmmmmmmm

You will never beat the bookies - get lucky occassionally maybe but as a way of making money its
only slightly better odds than supporting your friendly Nigerian offering cash.

It's a good way to get hold of 171 quid then:

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Tony Raven <[email hidden]> wrote:

: You will never beat the bookies - get lucky occassionally maybe but as a way of making money its
: only slightly better odds than supporting your friendly Nigerian offering cash.

Indeed. Having never made a bet before I might be tempted to now though for some fun.

Arthur

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Tony Raven said:

You will never beat the bookies - get lucky occassionally maybe but as a way of making money its
only slightly better odds than supporting your friendly Nigerian offering cash.

You only have to have significantly better judgement than the typical punter. Which in _some_ cases,
is not too hard.

James

(Veteran of one successful bet - yes of course there was luck involved, but mostly it was just a
matter of judging that the odds were unrealistic.)

Arthur Clune said:

Indeed. Having never made a bet before I might be tempted to now though for some fun.

It's the fun that's the key. Gambling is a game, and if you enjoy doing the game even if you come
out financially behind then that's okay. A bit like spending money on bikes.

Pete.
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Hard-earned? Nice of you to say so! Bill

Two wheels are cool but four's a bore.

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Steve McGinty<[email hidden]> 18/12/2003 11:57:11

bikingbill said:

Never having learned how to put on a bookie's line I'll miss out on 14:1

on

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Tyler Hamilton. ;-| Bill

Open an online account with MrBookmaker.com and it couldn't be simpler
- he will be very happy to part you from your hard earned cash.

Regards! Stephen

James Annan said:

You only have to have significantly better judgement than the typical punter. Which in _some_
cases, is not too hard.

That's exactly what they would like you to believe. The number of punters that have their "system"
to beat the odds is legion. If you do get to the point where you start to turn the advantage such as
becoming a blackjack card counter, they will ban you from betting.

Tony

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James Annan said:

You only have to have significantly better judgement than the typical punter. Which in _some_
cases, is not too hard.

That's exactly what they would like you to believe.

Although it is not exactly run-of-the-mill regular betting, if you think about occasional events
such as various Oxford-Cambridge matches where many punters probably bet on tradition and last
year's result, it's not hard to see how an intelligent judgement may beat the odds. In my case, the
`underdog' (according to the odds) had substantially outperformed the `favourite' over recent weeks
(and this was not inside information, but public domain). Of course there was still a bit of luck
that the `underdog' actually _did_ win, but it was certainly a good bet to take at the odds offered.

I don't expect to repeat the performance any time soon.

James

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Of course there was still a bit of luck that the `underdog' actually _did_ win, but it was
certainly a good bet to take at the odds offered.

A sound bet is not necessarily one you are likely to win; it's one where the true odds are shorter
than those offered by the bookie.

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Dave...

Dave Kahn said:

A sound bet is not necessarily one you are likely to win; it's one where the true odds are shorter
than those offered by the bookie.

Ah but you never know what the true odds are. You have a view on the odds as does the bookie and you
have an outcome, which is you win or you lose, that tells you nothing about the true odds.
Presumably every bet you place you are assessing the odds as better than the bookie does, otherwise
its illogical to place the bet.

Tony

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Dave Kahn said:

A sound bet is not necessarily one you are likely to win; it's one where the true odds are
shorter than those offered by the bookie.

Ah but you never know what the true odds are. You have a view on the odds

as

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does the bookie and you have an outcome, which is you win or you lose,

that

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tells you nothing about the true odds. Presumably every bet you place you

are

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assessing the odds as better than the bookie does, otherwise its illogical

to

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place the bet.

For totaliser betting, you definitely only have to price the bet better than the general public.

I don't know if bookies price the odds according to their view about the true odds or according to
what will sell best. If the latter, then they can be beaten, if only by a minority of the people.

Ambrose

Ambrose Nankivell said:

I don't know if bookies price the odds according to their view about the true odds or according to
what will sell best. If the latter, then they can be beaten, if only by a minority of the people.

I always assumed they price the odds to balance the books, so that (maybe with a bit of laying off)
they win whatever the result.

When you win you are winning from other punters.

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