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  1. I was poking around and found this bike, a Trek 7.9.

    http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/bikes/2008/bike_path/fx/79fx/

    Yes, it's a full-carbon, Ultegra/105 $2500 bike built for "Bike
    Paths". This doesn't bother me. Business is business. Plenty of people
    with plenty of money out there, LBSs need all the help they can get,
    and and I'd rather encounter them on a bike than their Escalade.

    The headscratcher is the handlebars. Someone felt that Spinaci-style
    aero nubs would be a prudent spec on them. Of course, there's nothing
    forcing the rider to use them (though they are a constant dare to the
    kind of Type-A guy who's going to drop this kind of coin on a bike
    that'll likely be ridden 5 times a year.) Bike paths are plenty
    congested in NYC with pedestrians, dogs, toddlers, holes, and, uh,
    other cyclists. Aero bars isn't the first thing I'd think essential
    for a "Comfortable upright-riding bike".

    I sense a dangerous summer approaching.

    /s

  2. Scott Gordo said:

    I was poking around and found this bike, a Trek 7.9.

    http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/bikes/2008/bike_path/fx/79fx/

    Yes, it's a full-carbon, Ultegra/105 $2500 bike built for "Bike
    Paths". This doesn't bother me. Business is business. Plenty of people
    with plenty of money out there, LBSs need all the help they can get,
    and and I'd rather encounter them on a bike than their Escalade.

    The headscratcher is the handlebars. Someone felt that Spinaci-style
    aero nubs would be a prudent spec on them. Of course, there's nothing
    forcing the rider to use them (though they are a constant dare to the
    kind of Type-A guy who's going to drop this kind of coin on a bike
    that'll likely be ridden 5 times a year.) Bike paths are plenty
    congested in NYC with pedestrians, dogs, toddlers, holes, and, uh,
    other cyclists. Aero bars isn't the first thing I'd think essential
    for a "Comfortable upright-riding bike".

    I sense a dangerous summer approaching.

    /s

    Very bad thinking. Like bar ends on mountain bikes, we're going to be
    seeing most of those things pointed straight up.

  3. Quoted message said:
    Scott Gordo said:

    I was poking around and found this bike, a Trek 7.9.

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/bikes/2008/bike_path/fx/79fx/

    Quoted message said:

    Yes, it's a full-carbon, Ultegra/105 $2500 bike built for "Bike
    Paths". This doesn't bother me. Business is business. Plenty of people
    with plenty of money out there, LBSs need all the help they can get,
    and and I'd rather encounter them on a bike than their Escalade.

    Quoted message said:

    The headscratcher is the handlebars. Someone felt that Spinaci-style
    aero nubs would be a prudent spec on them. Of course, there's nothing
    forcing the rider to use them (though they are a constant dare to the
    kind of Type-A guy who's going to drop this kind of coin on a bike
    that'll likely be ridden 5 times a year.) Bike paths are plenty
    congested in NYC with pedestrians, dogs, toddlers, holes, and, uh,
    other cyclists. Aero bars isn't the first thing I'd think essential
    for a "Comfortable upright-riding bike".

    Quoted message said:

    I sense a dangerous summer approaching.

    Quoted message said:

    /s

    Very bad thinking.  Like bar ends on mountain bikes, we're going to be
    seeing most of those things pointed straight up.- Hide quoted text -

    - Show quoted text -

    Re: Bar ends, most? Really? I see maybe 15% set up like that. I
    know it happens, but I'd say upside down drops are more common over
    here.

  4. Quoted post said:
    Quoted message said:

    On Jan 31, 10:16 am, Scott Gordo <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I was poking around and found this bike, a Trek 7.9.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/bikes/2008/bike_path/fx/79fx/

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Yes, it's a full-carbon, Ultegra/105 $2500 bike built for "Bike
    Paths". This doesn't bother me. Business is business. Plenty of people
    with plenty of money out there, LBSs need all the help they can get,
    and and I'd rather encounter them on a bike than their Escalade.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The headscratcher is the handlebars. Someone felt that Spinaci-style
    aero nubs would be a prudent spec on them. Of course, there's nothing
    forcing the rider to use them (though they are a constant dare to the
    kind of Type-A guy who's going to drop this kind of coin on a bike
    that'll likely be ridden 5 times a year.) Bike paths are plenty
    congested in NYC with pedestrians, dogs, toddlers, holes, and, uh,
    other cyclists. Aero bars isn't the first thing I'd think essential
    for a "Comfortable upright-riding bike".

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I sense a dangerous summer approaching.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    /s

    Quoted message said:

    Very bad thinking. Like bar ends on mountain bikes, we're going to be
    seeing most of those things pointed straight up.- Hide quoted text -

    Quoted message said:

    - Show quoted text -

    Re: Bar ends, most? Really? I see maybe 15% set up like that. I
    know it happens, but I'd say upside down drops are more common over
    here.

    Depends on where you look. On the average bike path it seems like
    well over half of the bikes that have bar ends have them pointed up.
    Upside down drops (aka, "repeat offender bars"😉 are a dying breed
    around here as old road bikes are being bought up at absurd prices by
    hipster kids doing fixie conversions.

  5. Quoted message said:
    Quoted post said:

    On Jan 31, 11:00 am, [email hidden] wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    On Jan 31, 10:16 am, Scott Gordo <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > I was poking around and found this bike, a Trek 7.9.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/bikes/2008/bike_path/fx/79fx/

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Yes, it's a full-carbon, Ultegra/105 $2500 bike built for "Bike
    > Paths". This doesn't bother me. Business is business. Plenty of people
    > with plenty of money out there, LBSs need all the help they can get,
    > and and I'd rather encounter them on a bike than their Escalade.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > The headscratcher is the handlebars. Someone felt that Spinaci-style
    > aero nubs would be a prudent spec on them. Of course, there's nothing
    > forcing the rider to use them (though they are a constant dare to the
    > kind of Type-A guy who's going to drop this kind of coin on a bike
    > that'll likely be ridden 5 times a year.) Bike paths are plenty
    > congested in NYC with pedestrians, dogs, toddlers, holes, and, uh,
    > other cyclists. Aero bars isn't the first thing I'd think essential
    > for a "Comfortable upright-riding bike".

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > I sense a dangerous summer approaching.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > /s

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Very bad thinking. Like bar ends on mountain bikes, we're going to be
    seeing most of those things pointed straight up.- Hide quoted text -

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    - Show quoted text -

    Quoted message said:

    Re: Bar ends, most? Really? I see maybe 15% set up like that. I
    know it happens, but I'd say upside down drops are more common over
    here.

    Depends on where you look. On the average bike path it seems like
    well over half of the bikes that have bar ends have them pointed up.
    Upside down drops (aka, "repeat offender bars"😉 are a dying breed
    around here as old road bikes are being bought up at absurd prices by
    hipster kids doing fixie conversions.- Hide quoted text -

    - Show quoted text -

    Fair enough. It's been years since I rode on a bike path, so I guess
    I'm just observing different trends. The fixie craze is huge out here
    too, but the rat bikes with 10lb frames manage to keep their frames,
    often with "repeat offender bars". It's the nicer bikes I'd like to
    have with a full compliment of gears that get converted here, such as
    my Rudge SS/Fixie flip-flop. I bought it like that, if I got it with
    gears I'd have kept them. I'm still considering a 1x9 setup for it.

  6. Quoted message said:
    Quoted post said:

    On Jan 31, 11:00 am, [email hidden] wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    On Jan 31, 10:16 am, Scott Gordo <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > I was poking around and found this bike, a Trek 7.9.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/bikes/2008/bike_path/fx/79fx/

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Yes, it's a full-carbon, Ultegra/105 $2500 bike built for "Bike
    > Paths". This doesn't bother me. Business is business. Plenty of people
    > with plenty of money out there, LBSs need all the help they can get,
    > and and I'd rather encounter them on a bike than their Escalade.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > The headscratcher is the handlebars. Someone felt that Spinaci-style
    > aero nubs would be a prudent spec on them. Of course, there's nothing
    > forcing the rider to use them (though they are a constant dare to the
    > kind of Type-A guy who's going to drop this kind of coin on a bike
    > that'll likely be ridden 5 times a year.) Bike paths are plenty
    > congested in NYC with pedestrians, dogs, toddlers, holes, and, uh,
    > other cyclists. Aero bars isn't the first thing I'd think essential
    > for a "Comfortable upright-riding bike".

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > I sense a dangerous summer approaching.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > /s

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Very bad thinking.  Like bar ends on mountain bikes, we're going to be
    seeing most of those things pointed straight up.- Hide quoted text -

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    - Show quoted text -

    Quoted message said:

    Re: Bar ends, most?  Really?  I see maybe 15% set up like that.  I
    know it happens, but I'd say upside down drops are more common over
    here.

    Depends on where you look.  On the average bike path it seems like
    well over half of the bikes that have bar ends have them pointed up.
    Upside down drops (aka, "repeat offender bars"😉 are a dying breed
    around here as old road bikes are being bought up at absurd prices by
    hipster kids doing fixie conversions.- Hide quoted text -

    - Show quoted text -

    Word. I've got a beautiful '70s bike with full Dura Ace on a Maruishi
    frame, but the seat tube has a whopping 30 degree bend in the middle.
    I've been looking for a comparable 70s or 80s Japanese replacement
    frame at a reasonable price but, jeez, good luck!

    /s

  7. Quoted message said:

    http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/bikes/2008/bike_path/fx/79fx/

    Yes, it's a full-carbon, Ultegra/105 $2500 bike built for "Bike
    Paths". This doesn't bother me. Business is business. Plenty of people
    with plenty of money out there, LBSs need all the help they can get,
    and and I'd rather encounter them on a bike than their Escalade.

    The headscratcher is the handlebars. Someone felt that Spinaci-style
    aero nubs would be a prudent spec on them.

    You're making an assumption about how these bikes are ridden that isn't
    always correct. The bike in question finds use for people who want to put in
    a *lot* of miles but for whatever reason just don't feel comfortable with a
    drop bar (But we go out of our way to introduce everyone to the concept of a
    pain-free drop bar, with a shorter/taller stem, pointing out the advantages
    of the various different positions, before letting someone buy a
    high-performance flat-bar road bike. In many cases, their concerns are
    unfounded and, when set up properly, they're amazed at how much better the
    drop-bar option is).

    So many of these bikes are out there doing metric centuries, a distance long
    enough that having that additional hand position can be quite useful. And
    no, they're not turning the handlebars straight up.

    And besides everything else, they look cool.

    --Mike Jacoubowsky
    Chain Reaction Bicycles
    www.ChainReaction.com
    Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

    "Scott Gordo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I was poking around and found this bike, a Trek 7.9.

    http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/bikes/2008/bike_path/fx/79fx/

    Yes, it's a full-carbon, Ultegra/105 $2500 bike built for "Bike
    Paths". This doesn't bother me. Business is business. Plenty of people
    with plenty of money out there, LBSs need all the help they can get,
    and and I'd rather encounter them on a bike than their Escalade.

    The headscratcher is the handlebars. Someone felt that Spinaci-style
    aero nubs would be a prudent spec on them. Of course, there's nothing
    forcing the rider to use them (though they are a constant dare to the
    kind of Type-A guy who's going to drop this kind of coin on a bike
    that'll likely be ridden 5 times a year.) Bike paths are plenty
    congested in NYC with pedestrians, dogs, toddlers, holes, and, uh,
    other cyclists. Aero bars isn't the first thing I'd think essential
    for a "Comfortable upright-riding bike".

    I sense a dangerous summer approaching.

    /s

  8. Scott Gordo said:


    Word. I've got a beautiful '70s bike with full Dura Ace on a Maruishi
    frame, but the seat tube has a whopping 30 degree bend in the middle.
    I've been looking for a comparable 70s or 80s Japanese replacement
    frame at a reasonable price but, jeez, good luck!

    Wait until the backside of the fixie fad. For better or worse, those
    things will return to just above their scrap value again.

    A lot of them will have lost their brazeons in the process, though.

    Chalo

  9. Chalo said:
    Scott Gordo said:

    Word. I've got a beautiful '70s bike with full Dura Ace on a Maruishi
    frame, but the seat tube has a whopping 30 degree bend in the middle.
    I've been looking for a comparable 70s or 80s Japanese replacement
    frame at a reasonable price but, jeez, good luck!

    Wait until the backside of the fixie fad.  For better or worse, those
    things will return to just above their scrap value again.

    A lot of them will have lost their brazeons in the process, though.

    Chalo

    And their paint. And likely at least some stuctural integrity. But at
    least they're being used, right?

    /s

  10. "Scott Gordo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I was poking around and found this bike, a Trek 7.9.

    http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/bikes/2008/bike_path/fx/79fx/

    Yes, it's a full-carbon, Ultegra/105 $2500 bike built for "Bike
    Paths". This doesn't bother me. Business is business. Plenty of people
    with plenty of money out there, LBSs need all the help they can get,
    and and I'd rather encounter them on a bike than their Escalade.

    The headscratcher is the handlebars. Someone felt that Spinaci-style
    aero nubs would be a prudent spec on them. Of course, there's nothing
    forcing the rider to use them (though they are a constant dare to the
    kind of Type-A guy who's going to drop this kind of coin on a bike
    that'll likely be ridden 5 times a year.) Bike paths are plenty
    congested in NYC with pedestrians, dogs, toddlers, holes, and, uh,
    other cyclists. Aero bars isn't the first thing I'd think essential
    for a "Comfortable upright-riding bike".

    I sense a dangerous summer approaching.

    /s

    Hence continuing the great American tradition of treating bicycles as mere
    [expensive] toys. Shame on your market-savvy ass, Trek.

  11. On Jan 31, 11:33 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:


    And besides everything else, they look cool.

    And there, you're 80% wrong.

  12. Hank said:

    On Jan 31, 11:33 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:


    And besides everything else, they look cool.

    And there, you're 80% wrong.

    They do look like they'd make nice accessory mounts, though. I can see a nice
    pair of headlights, maybe my GPS unit out there. Need to free up space on
    the handlebar for a coffee mug holder.

    --

    Kristian Zoerhoff
    [email hidden]

  13. In article
    <[email hidden]>,

    Scott Gordo said:

    I was poking around and found this bike, a Trek 7.9.

    http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/bikes/2008/bike_path/fx/79fx/

    Yes, it's a full-carbon, Ultegra/105 $2500 bike built for "Bike
    Paths". This doesn't bother me. Business is business. Plenty of people
    with plenty of money out there, LBSs need all the help they can get,
    and and I'd rather encounter them on a bike than their Escalade.

    Silly wheels. I commend them for the extended chain stays.

    --
    Michael Press

  14. On Jan 31, 6:33 pm, Kristian M Zoerhoff <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Hank said:

    On Jan 31, 11:33 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    And besides everything else, they look cool.

    Quoted message said:

    And there, you're 80% wrong.

    They do look like they'd make nice accessory mounts, though. I can see a nice
    pair of headlights, maybe my GPS unit out there. Need to free up space on
    the handlebar for a coffee mug holder.

    --

    Kristian Zoerhoff
    [email hidden]

    Bontrager agrees that they make a good place to mount stuff:
    http://www.bontrager.com/Road/Components/Handlebars/21369.php

  15. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Michael Press said:

    In article
    <[email hidden]>,

    Scott Gordo said:

    I was poking around and found this bike, a Trek 7.9.

    http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/bikes/2008/bike_path/fx/79fx/

    Yes, it's a full-carbon, Ultegra/105 $2500 bike built for "Bike
    Paths". This doesn't bother me. Business is business. Plenty of people
    with plenty of money out there, LBSs need all the help they can get,
    and and I'd rather encounter them on a bike than their Escalade.

    Silly wheels. I commend them for the extended chain stays.

    Nobody here likely wants to hear this, but I see bikes like this as one
    part of the weird future of city bikes in North America.

    Let me preface by saying this will always be a niche product, both in
    volume and in regional appeal: you'll sell city bikes of all types in
    cities with a strong bike culture (The Portland/NYC/etc. markets).

    Back to this thing: Since the logical extension of increasingly trendy
    city bikes is for prosperous people (or prosperous cyclists) to get in
    on the fun, there's going to be a certain cadre of people for whom such
    a bicycle is a substitute for whatever their "city car" is, be that a
    Honda Element, Smart, or BMW 540i.

    Even if it isn't directly replacing that car, the bike's price doesn't
    seem out of line, and for people who are probably used to the cost of
    high-end sporting goods, a $2500 bike isn't that bad. Find out what they
    pay to play golf, for example.

    Back to this bike. I see no reason why there shouldn't be a market for a
    really high-performance city bike: something based off of a carbon
    cyclocross frame, perhaps, sporting either a flat bar or a drop bar and
    CX levers.

    Yes, fenders and a rack. Yes, lighting system. But still, this is a
    reaonable starting point, doubly so for a "summer" bike.

    I'd like to see how easy it is to build a sub-20-pound city bike with
    aluminum rims, Alfine drivetrain, and fenders. No rack: in the city this
    bike is the sportster, to be used with light loads for quick trips
    (surely the cyclist in question has a crappy city bike too, for heavy
    loads and uncertain locking circumstances).

    I'd like to see how light a practical city bike would be. In other
    words, if I insist on Al rims, fenders, and at least a minimalist light
    setup, how light could the resulting bike be? Oh, and no cheater parts
    like aluminum cassettes, please.

    Yes, I'm talking about expensive bikes. But they would be a lot of fun
    to ride, and that seems to me a seriously compensating virtue.

    Hm. Carbon fibre fenders...

    --
    Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
    "In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
    "In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."

  16. In article
    <rcousine-275781.22530702022008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]>, Ryan

    Cousineau said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Michael Press said:

    In article
    <[email hidden]>,

    Scott Gordo said:

    I was poking around and found this bike, a Trek 7.9.

    http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/bikes/2008/bike_path/fx/79fx/

    Yes, it's a full-carbon, Ultegra/105 $2500 bike built for "Bike
    Paths". This doesn't bother me. Business is business. Plenty of people
    with plenty of money out there, LBSs need all the help they can get,
    and and I'd rather encounter them on a bike than their Escalade.

    Silly wheels. I commend them for the extended chain stays.

    Nobody here likely wants to hear this, but I see bikes like this as one
    part of the weird future of city bikes in North America.

    Let me preface by saying this will always be a niche product, both in
    volume and in regional appeal: you'll sell city bikes of all types in
    cities with a strong bike culture (The Portland/NYC/etc. markets).

    Back to this thing: Since the logical extension of increasingly trendy
    city bikes is for prosperous people (or prosperous cyclists) to get in
    on the fun, there's going to be a certain cadre of people for whom such
    a bicycle is a substitute for whatever their "city car" is, be that a
    Honda Element, Smart, or BMW 540i.

    Even if it isn't directly replacing that car, the bike's price doesn't
    seem out of line, and for people who are probably used to the cost of
    high-end sporting goods, a $2500 bike isn't that bad. Find out what they
    pay to play golf, for example.

    I agree with your reasoning. In a culture embracing conspicuous
    consumption, why wouldn't bicycles qualify as veblen goods or status
    symbols? That the environmentally conscientious Platinum Card holder
    can simultaneously satisfy his green and egotistical inclinations on a
    luxury bike may even be a good thing: a sign that the humble two
    wheeler's significance has transcended the limited confines of the
    velo-sphere and gained greater cultural currency. The benefits of such
    a trickle down economy could be a boon to garage sale scavengers!

    Quoted message said:


    Back to this bike. I see no reason why there shouldn't be a market for a
    really high-performance city bike: something based off of a carbon
    cyclocross frame, perhaps, sporting either a flat bar or a drop bar and
    CX levers.

    There's always a market. And if there isn't it will be created.

    Quoted message said:


    Yes, fenders and a rack. Yes, lighting system. But still, this is a
    reaonable starting point, doubly so for a "summer" bike.

    I'd like to see how easy it is to build a sub-20-pound city bike with
    aluminum rims, Alfine drivetrain, and fenders. No rack: in the city this
    bike is the sportster, to be used with light loads for quick trips
    (surely the cyclist in question has a crappy city bike too, for heavy
    loads and uncertain locking circumstances).

    I'd like to see how light a practical city bike would be. In other
    words, if I insist on Al rims, fenders, and at least a minimalist light
    setup, how light could the resulting bike be? Oh, and no cheater parts
    like aluminum cassettes, please.

    Ahh that endless quest to redefine the boundary between what's
    practical and what's performance. You may indeed end up with a very
    light ride, but no doubt its claims of practicality will be contested.
    And round and round it goes.

    Quoted message said:


    Yes, I'm talking about expensive bikes. But they would be a lot of fun
    to ride, and that seems to me a seriously compensating virtue.

    Price commensurate to enjoyment? The best things in life are free!

    Quoted message said:


    Hm. Carbon fibre fenders...

  17. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Luke said:

    In article
    <rcousine-275781.22530702022008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]>, Ryan

    Cousineau said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Michael Press said:

    In article
    <[email hidden]>,
    Scott Gordo <[email hidden]> wrote:

    > I was poking around and found this bike, a Trek 7.9.
    >
    > http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/bikes/2008/bike_path/fx/79fx/
    >
    > Yes, it's a full-carbon, Ultegra/105 $2500 bike built for "Bike
    > Paths". This doesn't bother me. Business is business. Plenty of people
    > with plenty of money out there, LBSs need all the help they can get,
    > and and I'd rather encounter them on a bike than their Escalade.

    Silly wheels. I commend them for the extended chain stays.

    Nobody here likely wants to hear this, but I see bikes like this as one
    part of the weird future of city bikes in North America.

    Let me preface by saying this will always be a niche product, both in
    volume and in regional appeal: you'll sell city bikes of all types in
    cities with a strong bike culture (The Portland/NYC/etc. markets).

    Back to this thing: Since the logical extension of increasingly trendy
    city bikes is for prosperous people (or prosperous cyclists) to get in
    on the fun, there's going to be a certain cadre of people for whom such
    a bicycle is a substitute for whatever their "city car" is, be that a
    Honda Element, Smart, or BMW 540i.

    Even if it isn't directly replacing that car, the bike's price doesn't
    seem out of line, and for people who are probably used to the cost of
    high-end sporting goods, a $2500 bike isn't that bad. Find out what they
    pay to play golf, for example.

    I agree with your reasoning. In a culture embracing conspicuous
    consumption, why wouldn't bicycles qualify as veblen goods or status
    symbols? That the environmentally conscientious Platinum Card holder
    can simultaneously satisfy his green and egotistical inclinations on a
    luxury bike may even be a good thing: a sign that the humble two
    wheeler's significance has transcended the limited confines of the
    velo-sphere and gained greater cultural currency. The benefits of such
    a trickle down economy could be a boon to garage sale scavengers!

    Quoted message said:


    Back to this bike. I see no reason why there shouldn't be a market for a
    really high-performance city bike: something based off of a carbon
    cyclocross frame, perhaps, sporting either a flat bar or a drop bar and
    CX levers.

    There's always a market. And if there isn't it will be created.

    Quoted message said:


    Yes, fenders and a rack. Yes, lighting system. But still, this is a
    reaonable starting point, doubly so for a "summer" bike.

    I'd like to see how easy it is to build a sub-20-pound city bike with
    aluminum rims, Alfine drivetrain, and fenders. No rack: in the city this
    bike is the sportster, to be used with light loads for quick trips
    (surely the cyclist in question has a crappy city bike too, for heavy
    loads and uncertain locking circumstances).

    I'd like to see how light a practical city bike would be. In other
    words, if I insist on Al rims, fenders, and at least a minimalist light
    setup, how light could the resulting bike be? Oh, and no cheater parts
    like aluminum cassettes, please.

    Ahh that endless quest to redefine the boundary between what's
    practical and what's performance. You may indeed end up with a very
    light ride, but no doubt its claims of practicality will be contested.
    And round and round it goes.

    Ah, fair enough 🙂. It's just that CF rims sacrifice a bit too much
    braking performance and wear fast (though I'm open to the idea of a
    reeeally high-end model with CF rims and disc brakes...).

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    Yes, I'm talking about expensive bikes. But they would be a lot of fun
    to ride, and that seems to me a seriously compensating virtue.

    Price commensurate to enjoyment? The best things in life are free!

    No, probably not. But diminishing returns matter a lot less when the
    object in question is for personal enjoyment, and you can afford it
    either way.

    It's like this: I often buy weirdly expensive hot beverages from local
    vendors, not because I can't make similarly good stuff at home for a
    fraction of the cost, but because they're convenient, and even at
    $3-4/drink, the price is far too easy for me to afford.

    --
    Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
    "In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
    "In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."

  18. Ryan Cousineau said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Michael Press said:

    In article
    <[email hidden]>,
     Scott Gordo <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
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    I was poking around and found this bike, a Trek 7.9.

    Quoted message said:
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    http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/bikes/2008/bike_path/fx/79fx/

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    Yes, it's a full-carbon, Ultegra/105 $2500 bike built for "Bike
    Paths". This doesn't bother me. Business is business. Plenty of people
    with plenty of money out there, LBSs need all the help they can get,
    and and I'd rather encounter them on a bike than their Escalade.

    Quoted message said:

    Silly wheels. I commend them for the extended chain stays.

    Nobody here likely wants to hear this, but I see bikes like this as one
    part of the weird future of city bikes in North America.

    Let me preface by saying this will always be a niche product, both in
    volume and in regional appeal: you'll sell city bikes of all types in
    cities with a strong bike culture (The Portland/NYC/etc. markets).

    Back to this thing: Since the logical extension of increasingly trendy
    city bikes is for prosperous people (or prosperous cyclists) to get in
    on the fun, there's going to be a certain cadre of people for whom such
    a bicycle is a substitute for whatever their "city car" is, be that a
    Honda Element, Smart, or BMW 540i.

    Even if it isn't directly replacing that car, the bike's price doesn't
    seem out of line, and for people who are probably used to the cost of
    high-end sporting goods, a $2500 bike isn't that bad. Find out what they
    pay to play golf, for example.

    Back to this bike. I see no reason why there shouldn't be a market for a
    really high-performance city bike: something based off of a carbon
    cyclocross frame, perhaps, sporting either a flat bar or a drop bar and
    CX levers.

    Yes, fenders and a rack. Yes, lighting system. But still, this is a
    reaonable starting point, doubly so for a "summer" bike.

    I'd like to see how easy it is to build a sub-20-pound city bike with
    aluminum rims, Alfine drivetrain, and fenders. No rack: in the city this
    bike is the sportster, to be used with light loads for quick trips
    (surely the cyclist in question has a crappy city bike too, for heavy
    loads and uncertain locking circumstances).

    I'd like to see how light a practical city bike would be. In other
    words, if I insist on Al rims, fenders, and at least a minimalist light
    setup, how light could the resulting bike be? Oh, and no cheater parts
    like aluminum cassettes, please.

    Yes, I'm talking about expensive bikes. But they would be a lot of fun
    to ride, and that seems to me a seriously compensating virtue.

    Hm. Carbon fibre fenders...

    --
    Ryan Cousineau [email hidden]://www.wiredcola.com/
    "In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
    "In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."

    I don't have any problem hearing it. Like I said, I don't have any
    more of a problem with a $2500 bike that'll likely never be ridden
    more than 500 miles total than I do with someone buying a Porsche
    while the speed limit is 55mph. This obviously isn't a bike for the
    utilitarian type who'd throw some upright bars on an old rattlecanned
    10 speed (often to protect their $$$ "good" bike.) Somebody out there
    will buy this because they like the color (or lack thereof). But, you
    know, nobody is forcing me to buy it.

    With all that said, I think it's a very nice bike. The only spec I was
    really questioning was the spinaci bar extensions, and whether the
    coolness factor was worth a customer's potential crash (which, in my
    population-dense neck of the non-woods) often spells doom for a whole
    bunch of dominos.

    /s

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