Obesity statistics

"Anthony" : If the obesity stats put out by the government are based on the
BMI, then
: they are pretty suspect. I've been lo-carbing for about 2 1/2 years now,
at
: 5ft 9ins I weigh 176 and my body fat is 9.5%, but guess what? According
to
: my BMI of 25.98 I'm overweight. Lotta horse manure IMO

I have noticed this about other government statistics. The ones that come to
mind are the lowering of the cholesterol values and the blood pressure
values. Now, your cholesterol has to be lower to be "safe" and your blood
pressure that was in the normal range a few years ago is suddenly on the
high side. They keep moving the finish line!

Pat in TX

Anthony said:

If the obesity stats put out by the government are based on the BMI, then
they are pretty suspect. I've been lo-carbing for about 2 1/2 years now, at
5ft 9ins I weigh 176 and my body fat is 9.5%, but guess what? According to
my BMI of 25.98 I'm overweight. Lotta horse manure IMO

It isn't horse manure, it is simply a guide, no different to the "the
average family has 2.5 children" type of indicator.

There will be many exceptions to it. If you weigh 176 at 5'9" and only
have a body fat percentage of 9.5, then you must have an extremely large
amount of muscle. People who are heavily muscled are always outside
these guidelines, as is usually stated when BMI instructions are found.

BTW, BMI isn't a Government set standard, it is a Government accepted
standard.

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Pat said:

I have noticed this about other government statistics.

lol Another "statistician".

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It isn't horse manure, it is simply a guide, no different to the "the
average family has 2.5 children" type of indicator.

There will be many exceptions to it. If you weigh 176 at 5'9" and only
have a body fat percentage of 9.5, then you must have an extremely large
amount of muscle. People who are heavily muscled are always outside these
guidelines, as is usually stated when BMI instructions are found.

BTW, BMI isn't a Government set standard, it is a Government accepted
standard.

OK take President Bush. Here's a guy who's no Arnie, but who is in pretty
good shape. But at 194, and 6ft his BMI is 26.3, in the overweight
category. I just think this table sets the bar way too high.

: >
: OK take President Bush. Here's a guy who's no Arnie, but who is in pretty
: good shape. But at 194, and 6ft his BMI is 26.3, in the overweight
: category. I just think this table sets the bar way too high.

Bush weighs 200 and is 5'11 and 3/4" tall according to today's paper....
He's even more overweight!

Pat in TX

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Bush weighs 200 and is 5'11 and 3/4" tall according to today's paper....
He's even more overweight!

Pat in TX

Huh, my bad. Must've used some old numbers and he fattened up and shrank
during the campaign. Anyway, to have people like him being told to lose
weight is ludicrous, he needs to focus on the deficits and the war in Iraq.

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"Anthony" : If the obesity stats put out by the government are based on
the
BMI, then
: they are pretty suspect. I've been lo-carbing for about 2 1/2 years
now,
at
: 5ft 9ins I weigh 176 and my body fat is 9.5%, but guess what? According
to
: my BMI of 25.98 I'm overweight. Lotta horse manure IMO

I have noticed this about other government statistics. The ones that come
to
mind are the lowering of the cholesterol values and the blood pressure
values. Now, your cholesterol has to be lower to be "safe" and your blood
pressure that was in the normal range a few years ago is suddenly on the
high side. They keep moving the finish line!

You know, a lot of the doctors involved in moving the government's
guidelines on cholesterol levels down are financially involved in companies
that make cholesterol lowering drugs. Hmmmmmmmm
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Did you notice Bush's heart rate was only 52.

Pat said:

: >
: OK take President Bush. Here's a guy who's no Arnie, but who is in pretty
: good shape. But at 194, and 6ft his BMI is 26.3, in the overweight
: category. I just think this table sets the bar way too high.

Bush weighs 200 and is 5'11 and 3/4" tall according to today's paper....
He's even more overweight!

Pat in TX

:
: You know, a lot of the doctors involved in moving the government's
: guidelines on cholesterol levels down are financially involved in
companies
: that make cholesterol lowering drugs. Hmmmmmmmm
: --
: ClabberHead 5.0 (aka Iron Chef Atkins)

Prove it. You threw out the statement, so prove it.

Pat in TX

Pat said:

"Anthony" : If the obesity stats put out by the government are based on the
BMI, then
: they are pretty suspect. I've been lo-carbing for about 2 1/2 years now,
at
: 5ft 9ins I weigh 176 and my body fat is 9.5%, but guess what? According
to
: my BMI of 25.98 I'm overweight. Lotta horse manure IMO

I have noticed this about other government statistics. The ones that come to
mind are the lowering of the cholesterol values and the blood pressure
values. Now, your cholesterol has to be lower to be "safe" and your blood
pressure that was in the normal range a few years ago is suddenly on the
high side. They keep moving the finish line!

Pat in TX

Well, BMI is just a guideline, for sure. Then again, I' 5'8" and in the
low 120s -- the OP is 1 inch taller and 50 pounds heavier than I am.
That's a big difference.

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Pat said:

:
: You know, a lot of the doctors involved in moving the government's
: guidelines on cholesterol levels down are financially involved in
companies
: that make cholesterol lowering drugs. Hmmmmmmmm
: --
: ClabberHead 5.0 (aka Iron Chef Atkins)

Prove it. You threw out the statement, so prove it.

Pat in TX

This isn't very hard to prove, but I don't have time to do it.

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Anthony said:

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Bush weighs 200 and is 5'11 and 3/4" tall according to today's paper....
He's even more overweight!

Pat in TX

Huh, my bad. Must've used some old numbers and he fattened up and shrank
during the campaign. Anyway, to have people like him being told to lose
weight is ludicrous, he needs to focus on the deficits and the war in Iraq.

lol Yes, what we need is an unhealthy President to run the country.

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Well, BMI is just a guideline, for sure. Then again, I' 5'8" and in the
low 120s -- the OP is 1 inch taller and 50 pounds heavier than I am.
That's a big difference.

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jmk in NC

That's true. But IMO the key measurement is body fat % (which in my case is
9.5), plus of course lab work to show how cholesterol and all that is doing.
I do believe that there is a weight problem in America - you only have to go
to a crowded place like an airport to see it, but those who are unhealthily
overweight are obvious and to have a table which classifies as "overweight"
people like President Bush is quite unhelpful.

:
: That's true. But IMO the key measurement is body fat % (which in my case
is
: 9.5), plus of course lab work to show how cholesterol and all that is
doing.
: I do believe that there is a weight problem in America - you only have to
go
: to a crowded place like an airport to see it, but those who are
unhealthily
: overweight are obvious and to have a table which classifies as
"overweight"
: people like President Bush is quite unhelpful.

Not only that, but it clouds the total picture of how many actually are
overweight, plus, it gives those who are grossly overweight little or no
hope at all. I can imagine one of them saying "Well, if I have to get down
to THAT number, I'll never make it--so why try!" I lost 40 pounds and just
barely squeaked under the number needed not to be "obese" even though I ride
bikes and swim laps.

Pat in TX

Pat in TX

Anthony said:

but those who are unhealthily
overweight are obvious..

I would imagine that you see a lot of people that you might not believe are
obese but are so and are/will suffer consequences from it.

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and to have a table which classifies as "overweight"
people like President Bush is quite unhelpful.

Truth hurts. Buck up. He's overweight.

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: overweight are obvious and to have a table which classifies as
"overweight"
: people like President Bush is quite unhelpful.

Pat said:

Not only that, but it clouds the total picture of how many actually are
overweight, plus, it gives those who are grossly overweight little or no
hope at all.

The truth never clouds the picture, it is the picture unclouded.

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I can imagine one of them saying "Well, if I have to get down
to THAT number, I'll never make it--so why try!"
Pat in TX

That obsession with failure has nothing to do with the truth.

Very convincing.

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Pat said:

:
: You know, a lot of the doctors involved in moving the government's
: guidelines on cholesterol levels down are financially involved in
companies
: that make cholesterol lowering drugs. Hmmmmmmmm
: --
: ClabberHead 5.0 (aka Iron Chef Atkins)

Prove it. You threw out the statement, so prove it.

Pat in TX

This isn't very hard to prove, but I don't have time to do it.

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:
: You know, a lot of the doctors involved in moving the government's
: guidelines on cholesterol levels down are financially involved in
companies
: that make cholesterol lowering drugs. Hmmmmmmmm
: --
: ClabberHead 5.0 (aka Iron Chef Atkins)

Prove it. You threw out the statement, so prove it.

Pat in TX

I read it in the paper right after the new guidelines were announced. I'll
have to do a web search to see if I can find the story. Or you could do it
yourself.
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:
: You know, a lot of the doctors involved in moving the government's
: guidelines on cholesterol levels down are financially involved in
companies
: that make cholesterol lowering drugs. Hmmmmmmmm
: --
: ClabberHead 5.0 (aka Iron Chef Atkins)

Prove it. You threw out the statement, so prove it.

Pat in TX

I read it in the paper right after the new guidelines were announced.
I'll have to do a web search to see if I can find the story.

WOW! I found a link to the story in less than 5 minutes

http://www.newstarget.com/001372.html

Just do a search for (cholesterol guidelines drug companies) and you'll find
several articles about it.

Is this proof enough?
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