Obesity - not that bad?

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In summary, it says that obesity statistics are not true and/or not up

to date. Obese people are not at great risks as is known by general
public. "Anti obesity industry" is accussed to pump up the numbers,
etc.>

A quick tour of any hospital ward will tell you that fat people get
sick a lot more often than runners. You'll find 50 fat turds for every
fit person in there.

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In summary, it says that obesity statistics are not true and/or not up

to date. Obese people are not at great risks as is known by general
public. "Anti obesity industry" is accussed to pump up the numbers,
etc.>

A quick tour of any hospital ward will tell you that fat people get
sick a lot more often than runners. You'll find 50 fat turds for every
fit person in there.

But fat people who exercise and don't diet may not get sick more often.
If there weren't so much prejudice against fat people (particularly
from doctors) more of them might take that approach. I'm lucky, as
soon as I controlled my blood sugar I lost weight without dieting. But
there are a fair number of fit heavy people out there, who exercise a
lot and don't lose weight.

Pam

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Scientific American has an interesting articele in its June 2005 issue
about obesity. Here is the link: http://tinyurl.com/8ut27

In summary, it says that obesity statistics are not true and/or not up
to date. Obese people are not at great risks as is known by general
public. "Anti obesity industry" is accussed to pump up the numbers,
etc.

What it does not say (as far as I can see in the article) is the
effect
of the weight on the joints, or many other points for that matter. But
I
think the article is mainly focused on life expectancy of obese
people,
which it says does only differ about 4-9 months from normal (according
to BMI) people.

Maybe the numbers are inflated as they measured but this only means the
slope of obesity is a little less. The problem still exists as rapid
increases of type II diabetes tell us. It's still a real problem. I
hope people don't celebrate with another latte and scone.

-DF

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slope of obesity is a little less. The problem still exists as rapid
increases of type II diabetes tell us. It's still a real problem. I
hope people don't celebrate with another latte and scone.

There are counter arguments for this too, on the fifth page of the
article. Interesting article to say the least.

Though I also fear about celebrations, maybe it is really not bad,
healthwise, to be obese.

Come to think of it, I cannot see myself being that out of shape in any
case, unable to move freely. I have seen enough examples to think of it
as a problem.
--
Burak
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Burak Ilter said:

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slope of obesity is a little less. The problem still exists as rapid
increases of type II diabetes tell us. It's still a real problem. I
hope people don't celebrate with another latte and scone.

There are counter arguments for this too, on the fifth page of the
article. Interesting article to say the least.

Indeed, the article reads like a sort of argumentative essay -- no
attempt to interview or solicit opinions from the other side of the
debate. The case seems to be mostly built on metastudies. Studies that
come to conclusions that dispute the thesis of the article are only
mentioned in instances where there is a convenient rebuttal (e.g.
where the methodology was questioned). The metastudies the article
cites are not subjected to the same level of scrutiny.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

pam_in_sc said:

But fat people who exercise and don't diet may not get sick more
often.

They usually don't stay fat for very long either. Sure if all they're
doing is sitting on the recumbant bike and reading a magazine, or
float in the swimming pool, they'll stay fat. But if they take up
running, and steadily progress, they will eventually at least become
a solid midpack runner, and midpack runners are not morbidly obese.

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without dieting. But there are a fair number of fit heavy people
out there, who exercise a lot and don't lose weight.

Well, I suppose that depends on how you define "fit" and how you
define "heavy". A BMI of 25 is about 70kg (154lb) at 5'6", or about
77kg (169lb) at 5'9". Showing up to a step aerobics class doesn't make
someone "fit" in my book.

Doing 10 or so pullups (male) or at 1 (female), running a sub 6 mile
(male) or sub 7 (female), doing 50 pushups (male) or 20 (female) --
these are the sorts of things I'd expect from someone who wants to
pass themselves off as "fit".

Most people who weigh more than that will not be doing many pullups,
running faster than 9 minutes per mile, or doing anything else that
one would expect a fit person to do.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

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Well, I suppose that depends on how you define "fit" and how you
define "heavy". A BMI of 25 is about 70kg (154lb) at 5'6", or about
77kg (169lb) at 5'9". Showing up to a step aerobics class doesn't make
someone "fit" in my book.

Doing 10 or so pullups (male) or at 1 (female), running a sub 6 mile
(male) or sub 7 (female), doing 50 pushups (male) or 20 (female) --
these are the sorts of things I'd expect from someone who wants to
pass themselves off as "fit".

Most people who weigh more than that will not be doing many pullups,
running faster than 9 minutes per mile, or doing anything else that
one would expect a fit person to do.

I couldn't do 50 pushups in a row if my life depended on it!
However, I would have no problems passing your other test
examples.

cheers,
--
David Hirsh, director
www.absolutelyaccurate.com
Southern Ontario's Summer Race Series!

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But fat people who exercise and don't diet may not get sick more often.

If there weren't so much prejudice against fat people (particularly

from doctors) more of them might take that approach. I'm lucky, as
soon as I controlled my blood sugar I lost weight without dieting. But

there are a fair number of fit heavy people out there, who exercise a
lot and don't lose weight.>

Pure nonsense! Maybe you do, but I don't know any fat people who WO
regularly, not one. Unless of course you call the 300lb guy who "golfs"
to WO, or the other fat guy who "bowls" his way to fitness, then
there's the ever popular cardio-WO: fishing.
Next time just tell me you're pissing on my leg, because if you are
overweight and WO (a REAL WO, not those listed above) you are a
minority.

p.s. Sorry I missed you in Toronto, Donovan! 🙁

I wasn't running at the time, but it would have been great to share
a beer or two with a fellow Aussie. Any chance of heading this
way again in the future? Perhaps I could talk you into running one
of my events... comp entry, of course.

cheers,
--
David Hirsh, director
www.absolutelyaccurate.com
Southern Ontario's Summer Race Series!

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Well, I suppose that depends on how you define "fit" and how you
define "heavy". A BMI of 25 is about 70kg (154lb) at 5'6", or about
77kg (169lb) at 5'9". Showing up to a step aerobics class doesn't make
someone "fit" in my book.

Doing 10 or so pullups (male) or at 1 (female), running a sub 6 mile
(male) or sub 7 (female), doing 50 pushups (male) or 20 (female) --
these are the sorts of things I'd expect from someone who wants to
pass themselves off as "fit".

Most people who weigh more than that will not be doing many pullups,
running faster than 9 minutes per mile, or doing anything else that
one would expect a fit person to do.

I couldn't do 50 pushups in a row if my life depended on it!
However, I would have no problems passing your other test
examples.

cheers,
--
David Hirsh, director
www.absolutelyaccurate.com
Southern Ontario's Summer Race Series!

thank you, donnie.

saved me the effort.

roger.

Donovan Rebbechi said:

Well, I suppose that depends on how you define "fit" and how you
define "heavy". A BMI of 25 is about 70kg (154lb) at 5'6", or about
77kg (169lb) at 5'9". Showing up to a step aerobics class doesn't make
someone "fit" in my book.

The most interesting example I have seen of someone discussing being fit
and heavy is Jayne Williams--see http://www.slowfattriathlete.com/ At
over 200 lbs (5 ft. 8, if I remember correctly) she can do a half
ironman triathlon. I don't quickly see her time for the half ironman
she did last year, but her goal, which she didn't make, was under 7
hours. In her book she says that she can do triathlon training and not
lose weight. A number of the triathletes whose blogs I read race as
Athenas (over 150 lbs.)

Pam

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Pure nonsense! Maybe you do, but I don't know any fat people who WO
regularly, not one. Unless of course you call the 300lb guy who "golfs"
to WO, or the other fat guy who "bowls" his way to fitness, then
there's the ever popular cardio-WO: fishing.
Next time just tell me you're pissing on my leg, because if you are
overweight and WO (a REAL WO, not those listed above) you are a
minority.

I personally am no longer overweight, but see:
http://www.slowfattriathlete.com/

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I couldn't do 50 pushups in a row if my life depended on it!>

Then kindly bow out of the discussion, punk. Leave this one to REAL
he-men like us. Ughhhh.

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p.s. Sorry I missed you in Toronto, Donovan!>

You're glad I warned you he was gay, aren't you? You're welcome.

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I wasn't running at the time, but it would have been great to share

a beer or two with a fellow Aussie.>

What? TWO of you in MY country? There goes the neighborhood...

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Any chance of heading this way again in the future?>

Been thinking of a "walk on the wildside" eh?

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Perhaps I could talk you into running one of my events... comp entry, of course.>

He's sidelined with a nasty groin pull, from tuggin' it too much.

pam_in_sc said:

Donovan Rebbechi said:

Well, I suppose that depends on how you define "fit" and how you
define "heavy". A BMI of 25 is about 70kg (154lb) at 5'6", or about
77kg (169lb) at 5'9". Showing up to a step aerobics class doesn't make
someone "fit" in my book.

The most interesting example I have seen of someone discussing being
fit and heavy is Jayne Williams--see
http://www.slowfattriathlete.com/ At over 200 lbs (5 ft. 8, if I
remember correctly) she can do a half ironman triathlon.

I'm curious as to what her weight really is. I don't believe she's
200lb. She has visible muscle definition on her legs (can see the line
on the quad, and calves), a bit of a spare tire, but not a huge gut. I
know someone the same height and similar build. She looks about 170lb
to me. She also says she's "overweight but not obese", which means
she's got to be in the BMI < 30 range. In fact I'd say she looks like
she's on the lower end of that range.

It's possible that she was ~220lb or so when she started out.

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I don't
quickly see her time for the half ironman she did last year, but her
goal, which she didn't make, was under 7 hours. In her book she
says that she can do triathlon training and not lose weight. A

Yet she mentions on her webpage that she's fitter and thinner than
she was when she started. Maybe it just took her a while for her to
build to the kind of volume that takes the weight off quickly.

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number of the triathletes whose blogs I read race as Athenas (over
150 lbs.)

150lb is not all that heavy, especially if you're taller than average.
Again, Williams doesn't look all that fat in the picture, and I'd say
she's around 170.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

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pam_in_sc said:

Donovan Rebbechi said:

Well, I suppose that depends on how you define "fit" and how you
define "heavy". A BMI of 25 is about 70kg (154lb) at 5'6", or about
77kg (169lb) at 5'9". Showing up to a step aerobics class doesn't make
someone "fit" in my book.

The most interesting example I have seen of someone discussing being fit
and heavy is Jayne Williams--see http://www.slowfattriathlete.com/ At
over 200 lbs (5 ft. 8, if I remember correctly) she can do a half
ironman triathlon. I don't quickly see her time for the half ironman
she did last year, but her goal, which she didn't make, was under 7
hours. In her book she says that she can do triathlon training and not
lose weight. A number of the triathletes whose blogs I read race as
Athenas (over 150 lbs.)

There was a seriously overweight guy who, I believe, beat me at Ironman
Wisconsin two years ago. He wasn't huge, but I'd say he probably could
have lost 30 pounds and still not be considered thin. And I've seen a
lot of overweight people who are in fantastic swimming shape.

I'll grant that most overweight people don't work out, but I've heard
research saying that being overweight and working out is a whole lot
better than being overweight and not working out.

--Harold Buck

"I used to rock and roll all night,
and party every day.
Then it was every other day. . . ."
-Homer J. Simpson

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I personally am no longer overweight,>

Then I'd rather see your pic. ;?)~

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but see:http://www.slowfattriathlete.c­om/>

Ok, but she isn't fat, and even if she were, she's a rare exception.
For everyone of her, there's a 1000 lard-asses walking around.

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I hope people don't celebrate with another latte and scone.>

Hell no! I'm celebrating with a coffee and bagel...

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thank you, donnie.

saved me the effort.

roger.>

Ahh Dr doonothing has checked in. Still pretending to be a Dr Roger?
C'mon now...