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When a mother is ABUSING her child by brainwashing her into eating
habits
That is mere speculation on your part.
I would say that it is extremely good speculation on his part
considering that the mom was openly encouraging the kid, who was
already obese, to eat lots of [censored] food.
You are correct, I missed that part.
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Quoted message said:that will cause her ill-health and an early death, then it
becomes everyone else's business.
That is simply an opinion.
One shared by the AMA, the NIH, and the Medicare authorities. Tell
us your opinion.
No, it is not. The opinion I was referring to is that it is "everybody's
business", not that it would cause her ill health and early death.
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Quoted message said:And if you can't see that causing
obesity in children is an EVIL
The word "evil" is usually used as an excuse to deny someone their
rights.
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:If I label you or your actions "evil", I have not only the right but the
responsibility, as an agent of good, to stop you by whatever means
necessary, and that almost always means violating your rights. The
thing
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:is, real evil is extermely rare. What is often labeled "evil" are
people
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:whose actions, or those actions themselves, that are seen as being
contrary
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:to your beliefs.
Sure. We have no doubt that all that your belief system sees nothing
wrong with ending up with a body, fairly quickly, that is incapable of
doing 90% of the things that humans have done thru the millenia.
On that you are absolutely wrong. You make assumptions based on what you
feel, not on what I say.
Quoted message said:You
are an adult, it is your choice. But the child is innocent and is
helpless and cannot defend him/herself from being trapped in a dead
end doom-ride to early incapacity.
Again, you make lots of assumptions here.
For one, it seems that you think that a parent encouraging her child to eat
lots of sweets means the child will grow up eating sweets all the time.
Where is your evidence? I know people whose parents strongly discouraged
their children from eating junk food. As soon as the kids left the nest,
guess what happened. They went on an all-junk-food diet, all the time.
I have two cousins who were raised in a house in which junk food, candy,
soda, etc. was always available in abundance and encouraged. One of them
grew up rail-thin, the other was always overweight from childhood.
Obviously the same environment did not affect them both the same.
You can guess what will happen to this child, but that's all you can do is
guess. You choose to judge something as abuse based on what you believe
will happen in the future. What would you do about it--ake the child away
from her mother and put her in a foster home?
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Quoted message said:act then YOU are the one who isn't
competent.
Another opinion.
Quoted message said:Obesity causes diabetes, no-one is denying that other than Fat
Acceptors.
Obesity causes diabetes in some people, this is true. It also causes
heart
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:disease, osteoporosis, and other nasty diseases--in some people. Bear
in
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:mind that it does not cause these diseases in everyone.
Bear in mind that obesity pushes everyone in the direction of
clinically apparent diabetes/hypertension, etc. Not everyones body
falters under the physiological abuse caused by lots of extra fat such
that a formal diagnosis becomes unavoidable.
Basically the same as what I said.
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You might want to consider the fact that rage is rarely helpful. If you
want to feel better and be healthier, I would suggest you direct your
anger
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:at seeing a fat woman with a fat daughter to raising awareness about
eating
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:disorders and the dangers of passing them on to one's children instead
of
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:into rage/posting on the internet.
A stone typical response of fat acceptors to nearly any question is
to grasp for the victim role
A typical response from someone who doesn't have a logical arguement is to
start name-calling and stereotyping, in order to build a straw man argument.
I never said anything about a victim here. I never defended what the woman
was doing to her daughter (though I'm sure you think that's what I'm doing,
as you seem to only be able to grasp ideas which fit inside your black/white
view) I believe it would be better if the woman encouraged her daughter to
make healthy choices. In fact, I believe it would be better to never allow
kids to taste any food that is processed such as anything containing added
sugar. Processed foods themselves can cause addiction in susceptible
people. But that is not the point.
This is what I was referring to by "rage":
Quoted message said:"It's one thing not caring about your own body, but to poison
and abuse your child, teaching it awful eating habits that will last
it a lifetime, is disgusting. Obese parents should be ashamed of this
evil act."
For crying out loud, use a little common sense--has anyone ever changed
their lifestyle as a result of accusations of being a child-poisoner, told
they are disgusting or that they should be ashamed? The only result for
this kind of approach is a sort of mental, masturbatory orgy of
self-righteousness. There is no expressed desire to make a wrong situation
right. This is rage, and is in no way constructive. Ask yourself how this
attitude helps the mother or the child. Why not approach the mother, try to
make friends with her, and being a caring friend, suggest reading materials
which will educate her on the damage a poor diet can cause children, or
offer to pay for her to visit a nutritionist, or something else that might
actually help?
If you think something is wrong, carrying on like that is certainly not
going to change anything for the better.
Quoted message said:(you must face the "rage" of a poster who
merely disagrees with you) and to invoke the spector of
anorexia/eating disorders.
That's just nonsense. I didn't accuse the poster of rage because they
disagree with me, I accused them of rage because their original post was
rageful; also I never said anything about anorexia/eating disorders.
Quoted message said:Nationwide, obesity/childhood obesity is a massive problem,
dwarfing the problem of anorexia. But you guys routinely wave the
possibility of anorexia around like some kind of totem.
Here is an example of what I was referring to before: your black/white,
compartmentalized thinking: "But you guys routinely wave the possibility of
anorexia around like some kind of totem"
You can't see that I am basically on the same side as you because you assume
that everyone either agrees with you wholeheartedly, or is a "fat acceptor"
whose ideas and actions follow a stereotype you have in your imagination.
This makes it easy for you to avoid considering any new information, ideas,
or viewpoints. Black/white thinking is a serious addiction and a far worse
problem in the world than is childhood obesity. It allows you to judge as
evil or wrong any viewpoint that doesn't match yours precisely, and this is
a train of thought which, if followed too far, gives you an excuse to
violate people's rights for virtually any reason.
Quoted message said:No one else
here ever brings it up. It is a smokescreen, that is all. Or worse.
Maybe you guys will say - while criminally overfeeding helpless
children into an early food addiction
"Criminally overfeeding helpless children into an early food addiction"
implies that action *must* be taken to bring these criminals to justice in
order to save the helpless victims. The problem with this is that the
necessary solutions are almost certainly more harmful than no action at all.
Let me give you an analogy: A Christian could argue that by their beliefs,
raising a child to be anything other than a Christian is a far, far worse
form of abuse than overfeeding, because the child's eternal soul will burn
in Hell forever. With that belief, it would be criminal abuse to not raise
children to believe anything other than Christianity, because that would be
brainwashing helpless children into being followers of Satan. However,
almost all Christians respect that others are free to believe what they will
and to raise their children accordingly. Your belief that allowing a child
to have a poor diet is "criminal overfeeding" and will cause "early food
addiction" is no more valid than the aforementioned Christian's opinion;
it's just your belief. Raise your own kids the way you believe, let others
raise their kids by their beliefs. If you believe something requires your
intervention, examine your own motives first. If you must intervene, do so
with gentleness and thoughtfulness. Directing nasty accusations at someone
immediately closes them off to anything you have to say, making such an
intervention nothing more than an act of masturbatory self-righteousness as
opposed to an effort to induce positive change.
Rage is an addictive, self-destructive behavior just as compulsive
overeating is.
