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  1. Original post
    Carla A-G
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    #1

    An email notification put out from Plattekill:

    "Mountain biking as you know it on state lands, parks and trails may be going the way of the Wooly
    Mamouth. The DEC is proposing HEAVY restrictions on use of state lands by mountain bikers, yeah
    we've been singled-out again. Meanwhile your friendly neighbors who like to hike, hunt, snowmobile,
    ATV and dump on those same lands will be able to continue to do so.

    dec.state.ny.usCatskill.html

    send your written comments by October 15th. If you are a NY resident, you have even more leverage to
    shoot your wad. Tell them why you want access, why you DESERVE access to those lands. Site the
    impact of other users -- hunters leave bloody guts and hikers leave their lunch (in more ways than
    one) on state lands that pollute our water system. Snowmobliers and ATV have higher traffic volumes
    and diliterious (like that one) erosion to trail systems.

    Offer the benefits of mountain biking, its low-impact on state lands and trails with residual effect
    on the environment, But mountain biking makes a BIG impact on the local economy. Tell them that your
    access to state lands for mountain biking is the sole reason you come to the Catskills. AND just
    this reason.and if you don't get to ride up here, you won't be bringing your tourist dollars with
    you. And don't forget the great things that mountain biking brings to a personal
    level.self-confidence, self-esteem, enjoyment of spansive vistas (and close-ups of rocks), lots of
    laughs and stories.a bonding experience on two wheels. (okay that might be a bit over the top, but
    you get the drift).

    This is serious, you guys.the last public hearing is on Saturday at Belleayre Mountain. After that,
    the only way you can get your point across about using state lands to bike is by the almighty
    pen.Get scratching and email us if you need any help.Otherwise, mountain biking as we know it may
    wind up being a huckster-shredding, multi-suspension ride suspended from the ceiling of the
    Smithsonian."

    - CA-G

    Can-Am Girls Kick Ass!

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  2. Terri Alvillar
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    #2

    "Carla A-G" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    An email notification put out from Plattekill:

    ...But mountain biking makes a

    Quoted message said:

    BIG impact on the local economy.
    - CA-G Can-Am Girls Kick Ass!

    It certainly does: More rangers need to be hired because illegal mountain biking is out of control;
    tens of thousands of dollars extra are needed to repair trails and fireroads damaged by biking,
    local hospitals make money when bikers are injured, taxpayers support paramedic teams that aid
    injured riders, local merchants suffer because mountain bikers take up their commercial parking
    spaces for hours. Mountain biking is a net negative.

    Terri Alvillar

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  3. Mtbscottie
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    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: NY mountainbikers are getting screwed! From: [email hidden] (Terri Alvillar) Date:
    9/21/2003 8:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id:
    <[email hidden]>

    "Carla A-G" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    An email notification put out from Plattekill:

    ...But mountain biking makes a

    Quoted message said:

    BIG impact on the local economy.
    - CA-G Can-Am Girls Kick Ass!

    It certainly does: More rangers need to be hired because illegal mountain biking is out of control;

    Get a life.........

    Quoted message said:

    tens of thousands of dollars extra are needed to repair trails and fireroads damaged by biking,

    Tell me how mountain bikes cause any more damage to trails and especialy fire roads then ATV's and
    four wheel drive vehicles?

    Quoted message said:

    local hospitals make money when bikers are injured, taxpayers support paramedic teams that aid
    injured riders,


    LOL, yes, there's an epidemic of mountain biking injuries throughout the USA.! I just heard about it
    on CNN; the report was "The next time you go to your local ermergency room, chances are you'll be
    siting by a mountain biker" LOL!

    Quoted message said:

    local merchants suffer because mountain bikers take up their commercial parking spaces for hours.

    That is just plain lame.

    Quoted message said:

    Mountain biking is a net negative.

    Terri Alvillar


    Did Mike Vandeman write this for you?

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  4. Mike Vandeman
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    On 21 Sep 2003 05:03:55 -0700, [email hidden] (Terri Alvillar) wrote:

    ."Carla A-G" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
    .> An email notification put out from Plattekill: . ....But mountain biking makes a .> BIG impact on
    the local economy. .> - CA-G .> Can-Am Girls Kick Ass! . . .It certainly does: More rangers need to
    be hired because illegal .mountain biking is out of control; tens of thousands of dollars extra .are
    needed to repair trails and fireroads damaged by biking, local .hospitals make money when bikers are
    injured, taxpayers support .paramedic teams that aid injured riders, local merchants suffer .because
    mountain bikers take up their commercial parking spaces for .hours. Mountain biking is a net
    negative. . .Terri Alvillar

    I guess French Girls ALSO Kick Ass! 🙂 Even BETTER! Where's Tia Carrere when we need her? 🙂
    ===
    I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to
    help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

    home.pacbell.netmjvande

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  5. Corvus Corvax
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    #5

    "Carla A-G" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:


    "Mountain biking as you know it on state lands, parks and trails may be going the way of the Wooly
    Mamouth. The DEC is proposing HEAVY restrictions on use of state lands by mountain bikers, yeah
    we've been singled-out again. Meanwhile your friendly neighbors who like to hike, hunt,
    snowmobile, ATV and dump on those same lands will be able to continue to do so.

    dec.state.ny.usCatskill.html

    While there's lots about this plan to complain about, I would note that bikes are _not_ being banned
    from places where they allow snowmobiles and ATVs, and the passage above (not by Carla) seriously
    misrepresents the proposed rule changes. Bikes are only banned outright from wilderness areas, which
    already ban ATVs and snowmobiles. And dumping.

    The new rules suck. Hyperbole only weakens the point.

    CC

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  6. Mr. E. Mann
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    #6

    Did you know it is unconstitutional for the government to own any lands? Hunters leaving bloody guts
    laying around could be considered good for the environment... Fertilizer, food, etc.

    "Carla A-G" <[email hidden]> wrote in :"]news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    An email notification put out from Plattekill:

    "Mountain biking as you know it on state lands, parks and trails may be going the way of the Wooly
    Mamouth. The DEC is proposing HEAVY restrictions on use of state lands by mountain bikers, yeah
    we've been singled-out again. Meanwhile your friendly neighbors who like to hike, hunt,
    snowmobile, ATV and dump on those same lands will be able to continue to do so.

    dec.state.ny.usCatskill.html

    send your written comments by October 15th. If you are a NY resident, you have even more leverage
    to shoot your wad. Tell them why you want access, why you DESERVE access to those lands. Site the
    impact of other users -- hunters leave bloody guts and hikers leave their lunch (in more ways than
    one) on state lands that pollute our water system. Snowmobliers and ATV have higher traffic
    volumes and diliterious (like that one) erosion to trail systems.

    Offer the benefits of mountain biking, its low-impact on state lands and trails with residual
    effect on the environment, But mountain biking makes a BIG impact on the local economy. Tell them
    that your access to state lands for mountain biking is the sole reason you come to the Catskills.
    AND just this reason.and if you don't get to ride up here, you won't be bringing your tourist
    dollars with you. And don't forget the great things that mountain biking brings to a personal
    level.self-confidence, self-esteem, enjoyment of spansive vistas (and close-ups of rocks), lots of
    laughs and stories.a bonding experience on two wheels. (okay that might be a bit over the top, but
    you get the drift).

    This is serious, you guys.the last public hearing is on Saturday at Belleayre Mountain. After
    that, the only way you can get your point across about using state lands to bike is by the
    almighty pen.Get scratching and email us if you need any help.Otherwise, mountain biking as we
    know it may wind up being a huckster-shredding, multi-suspension ride suspended from the ceiling
    of the Smithsonian."

    - CA-G

    Can-Am Girls Kick Ass!

    Report
  7. Mr. E. Mann
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    #7

    Mike Vandeman <[email hidden]> wrote in :"]news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    On 21 Sep 2003 05:03:55 -0700, [email hidden] (Terri Alvillar) wrote:

    ."Carla A-G" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
    .> An email notification put out from Plattekill: . ....But mountain biking makes a .> BIG impact
    on the local economy. .> - CA-G .> Can-Am Girls Kick Ass! . . .It certainly does: More rangers
    need to be hired because illegal .mountain biking is out of control; tens of thousands of dollars
    extra .are needed to repair trails and fireroads damaged by biking, local .hospitals make money
    when bikers are injured, taxpayers support .paramedic teams that aid injured riders, local
    merchants suffer .because mountain bikers take up their commercial parking spaces for .hours.
    Mountain biking is a net negative. . .Terri Alvillar

    I guess French Girls ALSO Kick Ass! 🙂 Even BETTER! Where's Tia Carrere when we need her? 🙂

    HAhahahahaha! You got kicked out of the Sierra Club. HAhahahahahahaha!

    Quoted message said:

    I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to
    help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

    home.pacbell.netmjvande

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  8. Stephen Baker
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    #8

    Mystery Man says:

    Quoted message said:

    Hunters leaving bloody guts laying around could be considered good for the environment...
    Fertilizer, food, etc.

    Next time I need a dump I'll head over your way and [censored] on a path, then, shall I? That suit you?
    Good for the environment, food, etc.

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  9. Green Hill
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    #9

    [email hidden] (Stephen Baker) wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Mystery Man says:

    Quoted message said:

    Hunters leaving bloody guts laying around could be considered good for the environment...
    Fertilizer, food, etc.

    Next time I need a dump I'll head over your way and [censored] on a path, then, shall I? That suit you?
    Good for the environment, food, etc.

    Id like to make a few comments on the topic. I think one is going to be regulated they all should
    be. Lets take a look at hiking, biking, atv, snowmobiles. OK hikers are probably the lowest impact
    sport, next comes mountain biking, then ATVs and snowmobiles. While bikes do erode the terrain, how
    can ATVs and snowmobiles be ignored. They obviously erode to, and emit alot of emissions. I think if
    a area is going to be restricted you should restrict it to the others too. I can see letting hikers
    in bacause they usually are pretty low impact, but ATvs come on.

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  10. Carla A-G
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    #10

    "Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I guess French Girls ALSO Kick Ass! 🙂 Even BETTER! Where's Tia Carrere


    when we

    Quoted message said:

    need her? 🙂

    What the hell are you talking about?

    - CA-G

    Can-Am Girls Kick Ass!

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  11. Sorni
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    #11

    "Green Hill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Id like to make a few comments on the topic. I think one is going to be regulated they all should
    be. Lets take a look at hiking, biking, atv, snowmobiles. OK hikers are probably the lowest
    impact sport

    Bzzt, wrong. Hikers are much greater in numbers, often walk two/three/four abreast, AND dig in their
    soles and turn sideways. Oh, and let's not forget littering and cutting corners on trails.

    Bill "Vandestroys Nature!!!" S.

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