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  1. FTC Charges Marketers of Seasilver with Making False and Deceptive Claims;
    FDA Seizes Seasilver Inventories

    The Federal Trade Commission (FTC) and the Food and Drug Administration
    (FDA) announced coordinated actions against two companies - both charged
    with promoting the dietary supplement "Seasilver" with unsubstantiated
    medical claims. The agencies' actions against Seasilver USA, Inc. and
    Americaloe, Inc. are designed to halt the fraudulent marketing of Seasilver
    and to seize the available inventory of the product. Today's actions are the
    latest part of Operation Cure.All, an on-going coordinated effort among the
    FTC, the FDA, Health Canada, Canada's Competition Bureau, and state
    Attorneys General to crack down on unscrupulous marketers who prey on
    consumers with serious illnesses.

    The FTC has charged the two companies, their owners, the principal
    distributor, and a purported "expert" with making false and unsubstantiated
    claims about the health benefits and safety of a product they market called
    "Seasilver"- a purported cure-all liquid supplement. The FTC alleges that
    the defendants promoted Seasilver as safe and effective to treat or cure 650
    diseases, including AIDS and cancers, and to cause substantial and permanent
    weight loss. The FDA has seized inventories of the product.

    "The FTC and the FDA are committed to aggressive action against fraudulent
    claims in the dietary supplement market," said Timothy J. Muris, Chairman of
    the FTC. "Like the snake oil salesman of old, Seasilver claimed to cure 650
    different health problems, including such serious diseases as cancer, AIDS,
    and diabetes. These claims may keep consumers from seeking appropriate
    treatment. They certainly empty consumers' pockets."

    "This is the sort of intolerable health fraud I had in mind when I announced
    six months ago that the FDA will take vigorous actions against firms that
    prey on consumers and patients by selling worthless dietary supplements as
    cures for serious and chronic diseases and conditions," said Mark B.
    McClellan, M.D., PhD, the FDA Commissioner. "Using these ineffective
    products is worse than wasting money - it may cause irreparable harm by
    delaying or replacing approved treatments that can bring actual health
    benefits."

    In a complaint filed in federal district court in Nevada on June 12, 2003,
    the FTC alleges that two Carlsbad, California-based companies, Seasilver
    USA. Inc. and Americaloe, Inc., their principals, Bela and Jason Berkes;
    Brett Rademacher, doing business as Netmark International and NetmarkPro;
    and David R. Friedman, D.C., violated the FTC Act by making false and
    unsubstantiated claims for Seasilver. Seasilver is a liquid
    multi-vitamin/mineral/amino acid dietary supplement that purports to
    contain, among other ingredients, aloe vera, phyto-silver (purportedly a
    plant-based silver), sea vegetables, the herb Pau D'Arco, and cranberry
    concentrate. A 32-oz. bottle of Seasilver costs $39.95.

    According to the FTC, the defendants promote Seasilver through national
    television and radio infomercials, Web sites at www.seasilver.com and
    www.myseasilver.com/main, spam emails, and a glossy 28-page consumer
    brochure. The defendants publicly claimed that Seasilver USA earns $180
    million annually from selling Seasilver. The FTC alleges that the
    defendants' ads and promotional materials represented that Seasilver: (1)
    treats or cures cancer; (2) enables nine out of ten diabetes patients to
    stop their insulin medication; and (3) causes rapid, substantial, and
    permanent weight loss without dieting. The FTC charges that these and other
    claims go beyond existing scientific evidence on any of the ingredients
    contained in the product, and therefore, are false and unsubstantiated.

    In addition, the complaint alleges that the defendants represented, without
    scientific support, that Seasilver treats or cures AIDS, diabetes, lyme
    disease, and various cancers; cures chronic obstructive pulmonary disease;
    enables post-heart attack patients to reduce their heart medication,
    eliminates high blood pressure; and is 100 percent safe for pregnant and
    lactating women, senior citizens, children, and infants. Finally, the
    complaint alleges that defendants provided deceptive advertisements and
    promotional materials to distributors for use in their marketing and sale of
    Seasilver.

    At the FTC's request, on June 13, 2003, the federal district court issued a
    temporary restraining order prohibiting the defendants from making the
    challenged claims and freezing their assets. In addition, the FTC is seeking
    preliminary and permanent injunctive relief, including restitution to
    consumers who purchased the product.

    On June 16, 2003, acting at the FDA's request, the United States Attorney
    for the Southern District of California filed a complaint seeking the
    seizure of Seasilver USA's Seasilver product. On June 17, 2003, United
    States Marshals seized 132,480 bottles of Seasilver, worth nearly $5.3
    million from Seasilver USA's San Diego headquarters. The Government's
    complaint alleges that, although Seasilver USA markets Seasilver as a
    dietary supplement, it promotes it on the Internet and in marketing
    materials sent with the product as a treatment for serious diseases
    including cancer, diabetes, hypoglycemia, psoriasis, hepatitis, and
    arthritis. These claims cause Seasilver to be an unapproved new drug under
    the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (the Act). Such claims also cause
    Seasilver to be misbranded under the Act because it lacks adequate
    directions for use. Seasilver's labeling also contains claims such as
    "cleanses your vital organs" and "oxygenates your body's cells." According
    to the complaint, these claims show that Seasilver is intended to affect the
    structure or function of the body. Because the claims are unsubstantiated,
    Seasilver is misbranded under the Act.

    In addition to the violations caused by its product claims, Seasilver USA
    has had obgoing sanitation problems at its manufacturing facility. As
    recently as December of last year, FDA cited the company for using equipment
    that cannot be properly cleaned and for permitting its employees to work the
    production line in street clothes. Employees in facilities like Seasilver
    USA's must wear garments that protect against contamination of food and food
    containers.

    Operation Cure.all

    The multi-jurisdictional nature of these deceptive marketing practices,
    particularly with the growth of the Internet, requires law enforcement
    organizations, domestically and internationally, to work in full cooperation
    to combat the problem effectively. In its continuous efforts through
    Operation Cure.All, the FTC, FDA, Health Canada, Canada's Competition
    Bureau, the Federal Commission for the Protection from Sanitary Risks
    (COFEPRIS) of Mexico, and state Attorneys General, the FTC, FDA, Health
    Canada, Canada's Competition Bureau, and state Attorneys General are working
    cooperatively to detect and deter fraudulent marketing of health-related
    products. For additional information on Operation Cure.All. see the FTC's
    Cure.All Web site at
    http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/edcams/cureall/index.html.

    Tips for Consumers

    The FTC, the FDA, and other sister agencies have compiled a list of valuable
    and reliable sources of health information for consumers. The FTC Web site
    at www.ftc.gov/cureall, and the FDA Web site at www.fda.gov, provides direct
    links to these sources of information. Consumers are encouraged to visit
    these Web sites when searching for health information and ask the following
    questions before deciding whether to purchase a health-related product:

    What is the product?
    What is the evidence that this product will do whatever the product purports
    to do (e.g., counteract the disease or medical condition being relieved;
    lead to better results than conventional treatment?)
    Have results from studies of this product been published in any
    peer-reviewed medical journals? Can I have copies of the publications or
    references to these publications?
    What are the training and credentials of the provider?
    Is the provider willing to communicate with my primary care physician and/or
    my health insurance company?
    The FTC vote to authorize staff to file the complaint in this matter was
    5-0. The case was filed in the U.S. District Court of Nevada, on June 12,
    2003.

    NOTE: The Commission authorizes the filing of a complaint when it has
    "reason to believe" that the law has been or is being violated, and it
    appears to the Commission that a proceeding is in the public interest. The
    complaint is not a finding or ruling that the defendant actually has
    violated the law. The case will be decided by the court.

    The FTC has established a telephone hotline recording that it will kept
    update with the latest developments. Distributors are urged to use this
    number: 1-877-862-0886 (option #5).

    Copies of the complaint and related documents in both actions are available
    from the FTC's Web site at http://www.ftc.gov and also from the FTC's
    Consumer Response Center, Room 130, 600 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W.,
    Washington, D.C. 20580. The FTC works for the consumer to prevent
    fraudulent, deceptive, and unfair business practices in the marketplace and
    to provide information to help consumers spot, stop, and avoid them. To file
    a complaint, or to get free information on any of 150 consumer topics, call
    toll-free, 1-877-FTC-HELP (1 877-382-4357), or use the complaint form at
    http://www.ftc.gov. The FTC enters Internet, telemarketing, identity theft,
    and other fraud-related complaints into Consumer Sentinel, a secure, online
    database available to hundreds of civil and criminal law enforcement
    agencies in the U.S. and abroad.

  2. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Nutrition not allowed...
    From: "Dave" [email hidden]
    Date: 10/7/2003 5:27 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    FTC Charges Marketers of Seasilver with Making False and Deceptive Claims;
    FDA Seizes Seasilver Inventories

    Yessireee. Gotta get all that killer Seasilver.

    The good ole FTC and FDA.

    http://www.oralchelation.com/taheebo/foottah/drjames.htm

    In recent years, there has been an upsurge of police activities in the USA, the
    nature of which most Americans would more readily associate with repressive
    dictatorships. We Americans have been educated to believe that democracy, due
    process, assumed innocence-until-proven-guilt, and Constitutional protections
    against illegal search and seizure are the laws of the land. On paper, these
    protections are there; but in reality, these basic Constitutional rights and
    freedoms have been gradually and steadily eroded away by new laws, judicial
    rulings, and bureaucratic decrees. One of the lesser-known but more significant
    leaders of this assault on American freedom has been the US Food and Drug
    Administration (FDA).

    Background to FDA Police-State Activities

    As early as the 1950s, the FDA was engaged in aggressively spying on
    health-care providers who employed medications and approaches which were not
    considered "acceptable" by mainstream orthodox medicine. Notably, it was and
    has been the American Medical Association (AMA) which has dominated ideas
    within the medical community, as well as nearly all legislation related to
    health care. If the AMA dislikes a particular health care approach, they work
    to banish such methods within hospitals, and to suspend the medical licenses of
    any doctor who employs them. They have often been able to rely upon state
    licensing boards and legislatures, and even the US Congress, to pass laws
    outlawing natural healing methods and the non-MD practitioner (such as
    midwives, herbalists or acupuncturists). Failing here, the AMA and friends in
    the drug industry have relied upon their allies in the FDA to aggressively
    assault the advocates of natural treatment methods.

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    Many new health care discoveries have thereby remained "underground", never
    being allowed to flower productively in the light of day. Inexpensive,
    non-toxic and unpatentable natural healing methods have never been seriously or
    honestly evaluated by the AMA-FDA pharmaceutical-dominated medical
    establishment. Instead, policemen have been called in to simply arrest and jail
    the offending practitioners, seize their files, mailing lists and other
    property, burn their books, and otherwise trample the US Constitution into the
    dirt.

    * Dr. Royal Raymond Rife was crushed when his new microscopical techniques
    demonstrated the pleomorphic nature of viruses and bacterium.(1)

    * Harry Hoxsey's successful herbal formulas for the treatment of cancer, used
    in dozens of clinics across the USA in the 1950s, were stomped into oblivion by
    an enraged FDA, after Hoxsey refused to sell his formula to Dr. Morris
    Fishbein, then president of the AMA.(2)

    * Max Gerson's dietary immune-boosting treatments for degenerative disease were
    criminalized by the FDA at the very time he published scientific evidence and
    clinical reports on their effectiveness.(3)

    Today, none of these treatments are openly used in the USA, but only in clinics
    south of the Mexican-California border. The FDA also attempted to ban and burn
    Rodale's Organic Farming and Gardening magazine as "advertising literature" not
    covered by the First Amendment; many vitamin companies were advertising in it,
    and Rodale claimed -- to the annoyance of the chemical fertilizer and drug
    companies -- that the vitamin and nutrient values of plants were increased by
    use of natural-organic farming methods, thereby improving human health. The FDA
    lost that case, but Rodale was forced to spend a fortune in legal fees to
    defend his right of free speech.

    Probably the most significant and blatant example of FDA aggression and
    anti-Constitutional activity is the case of Dr. Wilhelm Reich. The Reich Legal
    Case surpassed the Scopes Monkey Trial in legal and historical significance, as
    it clearly marked the willingness of the US courts to condone the censoring of
    speech, the burning of books, the unreasonable seizure of property, and the
    willful ignoring of written documents presented to judges. Reich may not have
    been what one could call a "model legal client", but the willingness of the US
    courts to incarcerate him, burn his books, and in general treat him like a
    criminal, demonstrated how far legal technicalities and procedural issues had
    replaced the original intent and spirit of the law. Certainly, all the various
    judges who reviewed Reich's case and ruled against him, from the local and
    district court judges to the US Supreme Court judges, knew they were agreeing
    to censorship of speech and to the burning of books.

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    The judges also demonstrated no interest in any of the technical/procedural
    issues which would have weighed in Reich's favor, such as the fact that the
    prosecutor was himself Reich's former personal attorney, or that Reich had
    submitted documents (his "Response to Ignorance"😉 to the lower courts which
    were, essentially, thrown into the trash. Indeed, the deep significance the
    courts gave to procedural technicalities in his case was exclusively to those
    matters which worked against Reich. Clearly, they were out to "get Reich", no
    matter what. On the basis of legal technicalities, his many books and research
    journals were burned in incinerators by court order, and both Reich and a
    co-worker, Dr. Michael Silvert, were sentenced to over a year in prison. Reich
    died in prison, while Silvert committed suicide shortly afterward. Other FDA
    violations at the time included the warrantless invasions and searches of the
    homes of people peripherally associated with Reich. In one such case, a home
    was searched and Reich's books were confiscated from private bookshelves.
    School teachers and doctors who worked with Reich were fired from their jobs,
    in a manner reminiscent of the more purely political repressions of that time,
    the McCarthy period.

    The Reich Legal Case has been discussed in detail elsewhere,(4) and so will not
    be repeated here, but its importance lies in the fact that the FDA was able to
    commit severe anti-Constitutional actions, indeed, murderous actions, against
    an internationally-known and respected scientist without so much as a peep of
    protest from the various academic "scholarly societies", "civil liberties" or
    "free speech" groups, etc. This lack of significant social protest was an
    encouragement and green light of approval to nearly every federal agency
    wanting to shape public or private behavior to one or another government
    policy. While blatant political repression of politicians has declined over the
    years, with increasing protections afforded to political speech, the political
    repression of unorthodox scientific discoveries related to health and sickness
    has not declined at all. In fact, repression of non-political speech has
    increased, especially when it is linked with concrete marketplace activities
    which conflict with official government policies or big business monopolies.

    In the years since Reich's death, Constitutional protections against illegal
    seizure of property, assumed innocence-until-proven-guilt, and due process of
    law have been flagrantly violated and trampled into the dirt by the FDA leaders
    and field agents, who are increasingly teaming up with other arms of the
    federal bureaucracy to increase their power. Numerous medical pioneers have
    been assaulted and personally destroyed, in a manner so blatant and aggressive
    it makes Reich's treatment by the FDA appear almost gentle by comparison. The
    FDA's police-state activities are taking place all across the USA, but little
    of it is being reported in the mainstream media -- or if so, generally with
    biased justifications given for the FDA actions, that "the FDA is combatting
    health fraud" or "medical quackery". Here, the reader will be informed of more
    recent assaults by the FDA against the natural health movement.

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    The AMA-FDA-Pharmaceutical Cartel

    Increasingly, health care decisions in the USA are being mandated by small
    cadres of "specialists" who decide whether this or that medication will be made
    legal and available to the American public. Where scientific evidence once was
    the criteria for extended use of a new medication, such decisions are today
    being made more on the basis of the profits which can be made from a particular
    medication -- too many of the top physician-bureaucrats working in the FDA,
    National Institutes of Health (NIH), American Cancer Society (ACS), etc. are
    themselves often drug-company millionaires, with personal stock holdings or
    investments in the companies whom they regulate. Drug companies provide large
    sums to political campaigns so as to definitively influence legislation, and to
    various medical institutes, to "research" their products. Their full-page color
    advertisements for new drugs in medical journals essentially pay for those
    publications. Pharmaceutical companies are one of the highest profit margin
    industries in the U.S. who do not have to account for the often extreme prices
    they charge - higher than anywhere else in the world. Drug company money plays
    a powerful role in shaping health policy, the approval process for new patent
    drugs, and publishing (or censoring) research findings about the effectiveness
    or side-effects of those drugs.

    Additionally, nearly every major medical organization and medical society in
    the USA, to include many governmental agencies like the FDA, NIH, and ACS,
    expend significant sums of money each year to fund unfactual, even slanderous
    propaganda against relatively inexpensive natural healing methods, which might
    otherwise substitute for the expensive and often toxic medications and surgical
    procedures pushed by the medical-pharmaceutical cartel. "Quack-busting" groups,
    such as the National Council Against Health Fraud, team up with various medical
    societies, licensing boards, and the FDA to efficiently snoop upon and "police"
    the medical community, making sure that only the most orthodox medical
    treatments will prevail. Word quickly spreads, through the medical gossip
    system, if a doctor does not prescribe the usual drugs or treatments. Any
    doctor employing vitamins, herbs, nutrition, energetic medicine (homeopathy,
    orgone accumulator), chelation therapy, or any other progressive, innovative or
    unorthodox treatment can expect great pressure from these groups, up to and
    including visits from aggressive, gun-waving "health-care" policemen.

    Similar, or even more aggressive treatment is meted out to midwives, herbalists
    or to other health care providers who lack the MD degree, and employ methods
    which compete with the entire lucrative doctor-hospital system. A doctor or
    midwife who is today labeled a "quack" in the newspapers can expect as bad and
    unfair a treatment as did a "witch" in the Middle Ages. The quite telling
    consequences of this anti-scientific pogrom against the new and unorthodox
    health research findings are that a higher percentage of people are dying from
    degenerative illness today than in the 1950s, while cancer cure and survival
    rates are essentially unchanged from when the multi-billion dollar orthodox
    "war" against cancer was initiated.(5) Like the "wars" against crime, poverty
    and drugs, the "war against cancer" has been a huge, expensive flop, benefiting
    only the over-bloated cancer industry -- today more people are engaged in the
    "treatment" of cancer than those who die from it in a given year. Obviously,
    the attitude that "war" is necessary to solve a social or health-care problem
    is itself part of the problem, and not part of the solution.

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    Increasing Use of SWAT Teams and Seizure Laws

    One clear consequence of the widespread "war" approach to social problems has
    been the growing use of police Special Weapons and Tactical (SWAT) teams to
    enforce bureaucratic decrees by federal agencies, even those agencies one
    normally does not associate with "law enforcement". In recent years, the farm
    journal Acres, USA (6) has exposed numerous examples where individual farmers,
    who were making legal challenges to US Department of Agriculture (USDA) rulings
    about crop quotas or loan-security arrangements, had their homes, land and farm
    equipment seized at gun-point by the USDA. A few farmers have been shot dead.
    Legal and constitutionally-protected citizen opposition to federal government
    policies has been met by increasingly aggressive and militant reactions by
    policemen, armed with machine guns, flak jackets, concussion grenades, and even
    tanks -- the message is, Obey, Or Else! The USDA, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco
    and Firearms (BATF), Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA), and even the US Forest
    Service (USFS) have all developed well-armed "security forces", equiped with
    Special Weapons and Assault Tactical (SWAT) teams, armored personnel carriers,
    military-style attack aircraft, and other forms of sophisticated weaponry which
    flagrantly defy the Constitutional ban against the use of military forces for
    domestic law enforcement. Hundreds of millions of dollars in property, to
    include homes, automobiles, cash in bank accounts, and other personal and
    business property has been seized by these various agencies, who often work in
    coordination with the FBI, Internal Revenue Service (IRS), US Customs Service,
    and US Postal Service. Surely, some of this military weaponry is genuinely used
    against organized crime and illegal drug traffic -- but it surely does not stop
    there, and it is precisely the spill over of such methods against ordinary
    civilians who break some petty or technical rule of federal bureaucracy, or
    civilian dissenters to federal policy, or even only unorthodox medical
    practitioners, which makes it all so dangerous.

    The various "War on Drugs" seizure laws, for example, have allowed various
    government agencies to "seize and impound" (steal!) the property or cash money
    of any citizen, based upon mere suspicion that the property or money was
    acquired from sales of illegal drugs. A citizen whose property which has been
    seized must post a significant cash bond to the courts (a percentage of the
    value of the seized goods), and then go to court and "prove their innocence" to
    the judge before the property is returned. Failing to do so, the "law
    enforcement" agencies which made the seizure are then allowed to auction off
    the seized properties and keep a percentage of the money for "internal use"!
    For example, there was the case where a large fishing boat was seized by the
    DEA during a "routine" US Coast Guard inspection, when one of the deck hands
    was found to have marijuana cigarettes in his pocket. The seizure of the
    expensive fishing boat destroyed the life's work of the boat-owner captain, who
    was held responsible for the concealed actions of one employee.

    Then there was the case of Willie Jones, a hard-working gardener who paid cash
    for an airline ticket, not knowing that airline ticket agents often provide
    "tips" to policemen about travelers who pay for tickets with cash. The
    assumption is that anybody buying an airline ticket with cash is a drug dealer!
    The cops confronted Jones, and confiscated $9,600 he was carrying for purchase
    of shrubbery for his landscaping business -- he was flying to a gardening
    convention to purchase plants for next year's work. Although the cops
    "arrested" his cash, Jones was never charged with anything, and he did not have
    additional money to go to the courts to "prove his innocence". So the cops just
    kept the money. Jones observed "I didn't know it was against the law for a
    42-year old black man to have money in his pocket!"

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    In another remarkable case, two gardening supply stores, along with inventories
    and bank accounts, were seized by DEA agents after an employee advised
    undercover agents how grow-lights might be used for indoor cultivation.
    Marijuana was implied, but never mentioned explicitly -- but so what! The DEA
    felt the selling of grow-lights was contributing to the drug trade, so they
    raided the stores. Now, this is, purely legal stealing, where the activities of
    the cash-greedy federal agents and judges is not supported by anything written
    in the Constitution, nor by any other moral or rational premise. Indeed, in
    fully 80% of the cases where assets are seized by the US government under the
    forfeiture laws, no one is charged with a crime of any sort.(7)

    Even the US Environmental Protection Agency has gotten into the act, of
    creating its own police force SWAT teams; they recently raided an insectary
    which was legally challenging the need to obtain "EPA permission" to sell lady
    bugs to organic farmers. In another recent disgusting example, when the
    National Park Service (NPS) wanted to purchase a large plot of land adjacent to
    a National Park in southern California, the elderly owner, Mr. Donald Scott,
    refused to sell. Angered, NPS officials, teamed up with the IRS and DEA, went
    snooping for dirt on Mr. Scott, "to see" if he was growing pot on his property.
    One of the NPS agents then conveniently volunteered that he had seen "pot
    plants" when flying overhead many hundreds of feet in a helicopter (!), and
    somebody else received an "anonymous tip" that Mrs. Scott was seen purchasing
    items in town with hundred-dollar bills. With this fabricated "evidence", they
    raided Scott's rural mountain home with SWAT teams and gunslingers, with the
    expectation that -- if drugs were found -- they could confiscate his home and
    land, and whatever money he had in the bank, which would then become the
    property of the various "law enforcement" agencies. As they burst in on Scott's
    mountain home early in the morning, Mrs. Scott screamed with alarm at the sight
    of guns being pointed at her by strangers. Still dressed in pajamas, Mr. Scott
    jumped up from his bed with a pistol in his hand to defend his wife against
    intruders. With his pistol pointed to the ceiling, he was shot dead in his own
    home by the cops, at the very moment when he was complying with police orders
    to put the gun down. No drugs of any kind were found on the property. The
    entire raid was staged purely for the purpose of stealing the man's land, and
    placing it on the auction block! (7)

    These are just a few incredible examples, from hundreds to perhaps thousands of
    similar cases, of federal assaults upon ordinary citizens who were never
    charged with a crime, as more political powers and guns are accumulated into
    the hands of our unelected federal bureaucracy. And, of course, there were the
    events in Waco, Texas, where an unruly fundamentalist religious group was
    needlessly assaulted by swarms of federal and state police, and Bureau of
    Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms (BATF) agents armed with automatic weapons and
    tanks, leading to nearly 100 deaths (including over 20 children).(8) The
    incident at Waco was undertaken for allegations which were no more severe than
    what has been routinely certified and documented as occurring within more
    established religions (such as child sexual abuse by Catholic Clergy). By
    contrast, no Catholic church or school has ever been invaded by BATF or Health
    and Human Services (HHS) agents, snooping out "alleged child sexual abuse" at
    the point of a gun. A recent Congressional investigation into the Waco massacre
    suggested the allegations of "child sexual abuse" had been concocted,
    after-the-fact, by Attorney General Janet Reno, to justify her approval of the
    shockingly aggressive raid.

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    These examples are only a few from many, of clear and growing evidence of the
    decline of respect for Constitutional principles and due process of law, not by
    ordinary citizens, but rather, by out-of-control, power-hungry government
    leaders and bureaucrats, stimulating the growth of an American Police State.
    Increasingly, these various federal police forces are coordinated through
    larger and larger computer data banks on ordinary citizens. With poverty and
    homelessness on the rise, with more and more of the public wealth, lands,
    resources and means of production owned and controlled by fewer and fewer
    people, and with new reforms blocked by both political barriers and
    bureaucratic immobility, it is not surprising to see an increase in social
    chaos and crime. But the public clamor has unfortunately not been to address
    the root causes of crime, or even to hold the guilty federal leaders
    accountable for their autocratic, indeed fascistic, conduct. Rather, with the
    news media nearly silent about these various assaults upon democracy and
    freedom (or with the media uncritically parroting only the federal "party
    line"😉, the cry from Washington, DC is for even more police "protection". And
    so, new legislation is making its way through Congress, supported by both
    conservative Republicans and liberal Democrats, to grant even more police
    powers to the various federal agencies, and frighteningly, to centralize their
    activities under a single anti-crime umbrella.

    This is the background against which the AMA-FDA-Pharmacy cartel has turned up
    the heat against health care reformers, midwives, physicians employing natural
    healing methods, and vitamin and herb companies.

    Growth of Natural Healing Methods in the USA

    According to a recent study in the New England Journal of Medicine(9) about a
    third of all American adults use unconventional medical treatments, such as
    chiropractic, therapeutic massage, relaxation techniques, special diets and
    megavitamins. Americans are increasingly attracted to non-toxic natural healing
    methods, as an alternative to the cut, burn and poison methods of allopathic
    medicine. In recent years, there also has been increasing evidence that
    vitamins and other items advocated by "health food nuts" do indeed work to
    prevent degenerative diseases, and to promote recovery and remission from
    severe illness. Health reformers are increasingly advocating natural healing
    methods, including natural childbirth, home birth, breastfeeding of infants,
    and organic fruits and vegetables Vitamins A, B, C and E in moderate to high
    doses are increasingly being found to reduce one's risk of heart disease,
    cancers, and other degenerative diseases. Indeed, the National Institute of
    Health, in response to growing pressure from the public, recently opened an
    "Office of Alternative Medicine", and has started to fund investigations of
    natural healing methods.(10)

    The percentage of Americans attracted to natural healing methods is growing and
    threatens the economic monopoly of Big Medicine, the AMA-FDA-Pharmacy cartel,
    which has for many years dictated health care approaches used in the USA with
    an iron fist. This appears to be the major reason for the intensification of
    the FDA's vicious and murderous war against the natural health movement. The
    Director of FDA, under both the Bush and Clinton Administrations, is Dr. David
    Kessler, a powerful bureaucrat who epitomizes what Wilhelm Reich meant by the
    term HIG (Hooligan In Government). Kessler has intensified efforts by the FDA
    to control what is said, published, used or sold in all aspects of health care
    in the USA. He has established a "snitch" telephone hot line whereby
    "responsible doctors can call in and report any of their colleagues engaged in
    unacceptable, unorthodox, or deviant medical practice".

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    A blatant double-standard is applied: natural health advocates are assaulted
    for legal technicalities or for no reason at all, while big pharmacy and
    surgical device companies can literally get away with murder. Nutritional
    supplements with proven benefits are banned without evidence of any public
    health hazards, while synthetic pharmacological drugs or horrific surgical
    devices which have never been proven effective are approved in spite of
    demonstrated deadly side effects. Even when evidence is found that the pharmacy
    companies completely fabricated their FDA-approval data, out of thin air,
    nothing is done; the FDA turns a blind eye in such cases. Some examples: The
    FDA has received over 5,500 complaints against Aspartame (NutraSweet), which
    was legalized amid controversy regarding the capacity of this substance to
    alter brain hormone balances; some 9% of the complaints today involve serious
    neurological effects, including seizures. A recent major study by UCLA
    researchers of 109 patent-drug advertisements found 81% to be "inaccurate,
    misleading and even dangerous."(11) A General Accounting Office report found
    that 51.5% of patent drugs approved by the FDA between 1978 and 1986 had
    "serious post-approval risks" not disclosed on originally-approved package
    inserts, including "heart failure, myocardial infarction, anaphylaxis,
    respiratory depression, convulsions, seizures, kidney and liver failure, severe
    blood disorders, birth defects and blindness".(12)

    In spite of these and many other deadly problems associated with costly
    "FDA-approved" patent drugs and medical devices, you never read about a major
    pharmacy company being raided with SWAT teams, their bank accounts seized, with
    offices, laboratories and homes of officers being raided and ransacked at
    gun-point, or their drug inventories being confiscated and impounded. Nor has
    the FDA taken any actions against the blatant advertising of drugs within
    medical journals publishing papers purportedly evaluating the efficacy and
    safety of those same drugs. But such repressions and police actions are being
    taken against natural healing clinics and smaller laboratories all across the
    USA, for doing nothing more than manufacturing, selling or prescribing
    vitamins, aloe vera, herbs and other non-toxic food substances. Witness the
    following recent examples:

    1) 1987; Ft. Lauderdale, Florida: Based upon a perjured search warrant, the
    Life Extension Foundation, a non-profit organization supplying supplements to
    low income individuals, is raided by armed FDA agents and US Marshals. Breaking
    down the doors, the agents spent 12 hours seizing every nutrient product, file,
    and newsletter they could get their hands on, including many personal affects
    of owners and employees. Even telephones and computers were "ripped from the
    wall". Four years later, another raid took place, after the Foundation
    relocated to Arizona. Employees were intimidated into thinking they had been
    "shipping illegal drugs" (vitamins!), but no charges were filed against anyone.
    The raid took three days to complete. Requests for the return of property were
    consistently refused. Lawsuits against the FDA are in progress.(13)

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    2) 1990; Mt. Angel, Oregon: Nine FDA agents, 11 US marshalls, and 8 heavily
    armed Oregon state police raid Highland Laboratories, kicking in both front and
    back doors. Over an 11 hour period, virtually everything except tables and
    chairs is carted off to waiting trucks, including many items not listed on the
    search warrant, at a total value of $37,000. Nobody was informed about the
    grounds for the raid, the "supporting affidavit" being suppressed by the court.
    The seized property was taken to an undisclosed location. Mr. Kenneth Scott,
    owner, and other Highland employees were threatened with violence if they
    attempted to enter the company premises, and the daughter of the owner was held
    "in house arrest" for 12 hours at a location several miles away. Highland
    subsequently reopened, and hired a separate outside mailing service to satisfy
    FDA requirements. In response, the FDA raided the mailing service, which was a
    small business run out of the home of a woman in another town. Finding nothing
    there except mailing equipment and business records, FDA agents threatened to
    confiscate the woman's checkbooks and cash, failing to do so only after being
    begged not to. When she asked them "Why are you doing this?", the agent replied
    "Somebody's got to do it!!" Because of the raids, the owner of the mailing firm
    subsequently closed her business, and refuses to file charges out of fear of
    government reprisals(!!). No charges were ever filed by the FDA against anyone,
    nor has any of the seized property been returned. The FDA still has not given
    anyone reasons for their outrageous tactics, which were designed simply to put
    the firm out of business.(14)

    3) 1990; El Cajon, California: The FDA attempts to railroad Sissy
    Harrington-McGill, 57-year old owner of a pet food store, for violation of a
    proposed "Health Claims Law" because her literature stated vitamins would help
    keep pets healthy. Her store was raided and ransacked without a search warrant.
    When her day in court arrived, Harrington-McGill requested a jury trial -- the
    judge refused her request, dictating that he alone would judge the case. She
    was tried and convicted of violation of the Health Claims Law, even though it
    had not yet been passed by the US Congress at the time the FDA raided her, or
    at the time of her trial or conviction.

    There's more, read on.

  3. --

    "Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    FTC Charges Marketers of Seasilver with Making False and Deceptive Claims;
    FDA Seizes Seasilver Inventories

    The Federal Trade Commission (FTC) and the Food and Drug Administration
    (FDA) announced coordinated actions against two companies - both charged
    with promoting the dietary supplement "Seasilver" with unsubstantiated
    medical claims. The agencies' actions against Seasilver USA, Inc. and
    Americaloe, Inc. are designed to halt the fraudulent marketing of


    Seasilver

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    and to seize the available inventory of the product. Today's actions are


    the

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    latest part of Operation Cure.All, an on-going coordinated effort among


    the

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    FTC, the FDA, Health Canada, Canada's Competition Bureau, and state
    Attorneys General to crack down on unscrupulous marketers who prey on
    consumers with serious illnesses.

    The FTC has charged the two companies, their owners, the principal
    distributor, and a purported "expert" with making false and


    unsubstantiated

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    claims about the health benefits and safety of a product they market


    called

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    "Seasilver"- a purported cure-all liquid supplement. The FTC alleges that
    the defendants promoted Seasilver as safe and effective to treat or cure


    650

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    diseases, including AIDS and cancers, and to cause substantial and


    permanent

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    weight loss. The FDA has seized inventories of the product.

    "The FTC and the FDA are committed to aggressive action against fraudulent
    claims in the dietary supplement market," said Timothy J. Muris, Chairman


    of

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    the FTC. "Like the snake oil salesman of old, Seasilver claimed to cure


    650

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    different health problems, including such serious diseases as cancer,


    AIDS,

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    and diabetes. These claims may keep consumers from seeking appropriate
    treatment. They certainly empty consumers' pockets."

    "This is the sort of intolerable health fraud I had in mind when I


    announced

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    six months ago that the FDA will take vigorous actions against firms that
    prey on consumers and patients by selling worthless dietary supplements as
    cures for serious and chronic diseases and conditions," said Mark B.
    McClellan, M.D., PhD, the FDA Commissioner. "Using these ineffective
    products is worse than wasting money - it may cause irreparable harm by
    delaying or replacing approved treatments that can bring actual health
    benefits."

    In a complaint filed in federal district court in Nevada on June 12, 2003,
    the FTC alleges that two Carlsbad, California-based companies, Seasilver
    USA. Inc. and Americaloe, Inc., their principals, Bela and Jason Berkes;
    Brett Rademacher, doing business as Netmark International and NetmarkPro;
    and David R. Friedman, D.C., violated the FTC Act by making false and
    unsubstantiated claims for Seasilver. Seasilver is a liquid
    multi-vitamin/mineral/amino acid dietary supplement that purports to
    contain, among other ingredients, aloe vera, phyto-silver (purportedly a
    plant-based silver), sea vegetables, the herb Pau D'Arco, and cranberry
    concentrate. A 32-oz. bottle of Seasilver costs $39.95.

    According to the FTC, the defendants promote Seasilver through national
    television and radio infomercials, Web sites at www.seasilver.com and
    www.myseasilver.com/main, spam emails, and a glossy 28-page consumer
    brochure. The defendants publicly claimed that Seasilver USA earns $180
    million annually from selling Seasilver. The FTC alleges that the
    defendants' ads and promotional materials represented that Seasilver: (1)
    treats or cures cancer; (2) enables nine out of ten diabetes patients to
    stop their insulin medication; and (3) causes rapid, substantial, and
    permanent weight loss without dieting. The FTC charges that these and


    other

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    claims go beyond existing scientific evidence on any of the ingredients
    contained in the product, and therefore, are false and unsubstantiated.

    In addition, the complaint alleges that the defendants represented,


    without

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    scientific support, that Seasilver treats or cures AIDS, diabetes, lyme
    disease, and various cancers; cures chronic obstructive pulmonary disease;
    enables post-heart attack patients to reduce their heart medication,
    eliminates high blood pressure; and is 100 percent safe for pregnant and
    lactating women, senior citizens, children, and infants. Finally, the
    complaint alleges that defendants provided deceptive advertisements and
    promotional materials to distributors for use in their marketing and sale


    of

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    Seasilver.

    At the FTC's request, on June 13, 2003, the federal district court issued


    a

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    temporary restraining order prohibiting the defendants from making the
    challenged claims and freezing their assets. In addition, the FTC is


    seeking

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    preliminary and permanent injunctive relief, including restitution to
    consumers who purchased the product.

    On June 16, 2003, acting at the FDA's request, the United States Attorney
    for the Southern District of California filed a complaint seeking the
    seizure of Seasilver USA's Seasilver product. On June 17, 2003, United
    States Marshals seized 132,480 bottles of Seasilver, worth nearly $5.3
    million from Seasilver USA's San Diego headquarters. The Government's
    complaint alleges that, although Seasilver USA markets Seasilver as a
    dietary supplement, it promotes it on the Internet and in marketing
    materials sent with the product as a treatment for serious diseases
    including cancer, diabetes, hypoglycemia, psoriasis, hepatitis, and
    arthritis. These claims cause Seasilver to be an unapproved new drug under
    the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (the Act). Such claims also cause
    Seasilver to be misbranded under the Act because it lacks adequate
    directions for use. Seasilver's labeling also contains claims such as
    "cleanses your vital organs" and "oxygenates your body's cells." According
    to the complaint, these claims show that Seasilver is intended to affect


    the

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    structure or function of the body. Because the claims are unsubstantiated,
    Seasilver is misbranded under the Act.

    In addition to the violations caused by its product claims, Seasilver USA
    has had obgoing sanitation problems at its manufacturing facility. As
    recently as December of last year, FDA cited the company for using


    equipment

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    that cannot be properly cleaned and for permitting its employees to work


    the

    Quoted message said:

    production line in street clothes. Employees in facilities like Seasilver
    USA's must wear garments that protect against contamination of food and


    food

    Quoted message said:

    containers.

    Operation Cure.all

    The multi-jurisdictional nature of these deceptive marketing practices,
    particularly with the growth of the Internet, requires law enforcement
    organizations, domestically and internationally, to work in full


    cooperation

    Quoted message said:

    to combat the problem effectively. In its continuous efforts through
    Operation Cure.All, the FTC, FDA, Health Canada, Canada's Competition
    Bureau, the Federal Commission for the Protection from Sanitary Risks
    (COFEPRIS) of Mexico, and state Attorneys General, the FTC, FDA, Health
    Canada, Canada's Competition Bureau, and state Attorneys General are


    working

    Quoted message said:

    cooperatively to detect and deter fraudulent marketing of health-related
    products. For additional information on Operation Cure.All. see the FTC's
    Cure.All Web site at
    http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/edcams/cureall/index.html.

    Tips for Consumers

    The FTC, the FDA, and other sister agencies have compiled a list of


    valuable

    Quoted message said:

    and reliable sources of health information for consumers. The FTC Web site
    at www.ftc.gov/cureall, and the FDA Web site at www.fda.gov, provides


    direct

    Quoted message said:

    links to these sources of information. Consumers are encouraged to visit
    these Web sites when searching for health information and ask the


    following

    Quoted message said:

    questions before deciding whether to purchase a health-related product:

    What is the product?
    What is the evidence that this product will do whatever the product


    purports

    Quoted message said:

    to do (e.g., counteract the disease or medical condition being relieved;
    lead to better results than conventional treatment?)
    Have results from studies of this product been published in any
    peer-reviewed medical journals? Can I have copies of the publications or
    references to these publications?
    What are the training and credentials of the provider?
    Is the provider willing to communicate with my primary care physician


    and/or

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    my health insurance company?
    The FTC vote to authorize staff to file the complaint in this matter was
    5-0. The case was filed in the U.S. District Court of Nevada, on June 12,
    2003.

    NOTE: The Commission authorizes the filing of a complaint when it has
    "reason to believe" that the law has been or is being violated, and it
    appears to the Commission that a proceeding is in the public interest. The
    complaint is not a finding or ruling that the defendant actually has
    violated the law. The case will be decided by the court.

    The FTC has established a telephone hotline recording that it will kept
    update with the latest developments. Distributors are urged to use this
    number: 1-877-862-0886 (option #5).

    Copies of the complaint and related documents in both actions are


    available

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    from the FTC's Web site at http://www.ftc.gov and also from the FTC's
    Consumer Response Center, Room 130, 600 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W.,
    Washington, D.C. 20580. The FTC works for the consumer to prevent
    fraudulent, deceptive, and unfair business practices in the marketplace


    and

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    to provide information to help consumers spot, stop, and avoid them. To


    file

    Quoted message said:

    a complaint, or to get free information on any of 150 consumer topics,


    call

    Quoted message said:

    toll-free, 1-877-FTC-HELP (1 877-382-4357), or use the complaint form at
    http://www.ftc.gov. The FTC enters Internet, telemarketing, identity


    theft,

    Quoted message said:

    and other fraud-related complaints into Consumer Sentinel, a secure,


    online

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    database available to hundreds of civil and criminal law enforcement
    agencies in the U.S. and abroad.

    Thanks, Dave, for posting this. Even though it is old news, it is a
    refreshing reminder that sometimes justice is done, and the people who would
    deceive for profit can be stopped. Truth in advertising is an important
    concept, and ALL advertisers should be held to it, whether they are selling
    conventional drugs, 'alternative' therapies, or, for that matter, toys or
    automobiles.

    Seasilver was a particularly noxious advertising campaign, as described
    above. The claims you make for ginseng are just as false and outrageous, of
    course, and if you ever advance your advertising to the level of big
    magazine ads and infomercials, perhaps you will get a taste of justice as
    well. Alas, the FDA does not have the resources to pursue every slimy little
    internet spammer, so we will have to be content with seeing your stupid spam
    being challenged by those here who are scientifically literate, and able to
    write coherently.

    --Rich

  4. "Rich Shewmaker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    --

    "Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    FTC Charges Marketers of Seasilver with Making False and Deceptive


    Claims;

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    FDA Seizes Seasilver Inventories

    The Federal Trade Commission (FTC) and the Food and Drug Administration
    (FDA) announced coordinated actions against two companies - both charged
    with promoting the dietary supplement "Seasilver" with unsubstantiated
    medical claims. The agencies' actions against Seasilver USA, Inc. and
    Americaloe, Inc. are designed to halt the fraudulent marketing of


    Seasilver

    Quoted message said:

    and to seize the available inventory of the product. Today's actions are


    the

    Quoted message said:

    latest part of Operation Cure.All, an on-going coordinated effort among


    the

    Quoted message said:

    FTC, the FDA, Health Canada, Canada's Competition Bureau, and state
    Attorneys General to crack down on unscrupulous marketers who prey on
    consumers with serious illnesses.

    The FTC has charged the two companies, their owners, the principal
    distributor, and a purported "expert" with making false and


    unsubstantiated

    Quoted message said:

    claims about the health benefits and safety of a product they market


    called

    Quoted message said:

    "Seasilver"- a purported cure-all liquid supplement. The FTC alleges


    that

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the defendants promoted Seasilver as safe and effective to treat or cure


    650

    Quoted message said:

    diseases, including AIDS and cancers, and to cause substantial and


    permanent

    Quoted message said:

    weight loss. The FDA has seized inventories of the product.

    "The FTC and the FDA are committed to aggressive action against


    fraudulent

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    claims in the dietary supplement market," said Timothy J. Muris,


    Chairman

    Quoted message said:

    of

    Quoted message said:

    the FTC. "Like the snake oil salesman of old, Seasilver claimed to cure


    650

    Quoted message said:

    different health problems, including such serious diseases as cancer,


    AIDS,

    Quoted message said:

    and diabetes. These claims may keep consumers from seeking appropriate
    treatment. They certainly empty consumers' pockets."

    "This is the sort of intolerable health fraud I had in mind when I


    announced

    Quoted message said:

    six months ago that the FDA will take vigorous actions against firms


    that

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    prey on consumers and patients by selling worthless dietary supplements


    as

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    cures for serious and chronic diseases and conditions," said Mark B.
    McClellan, M.D., PhD, the FDA Commissioner. "Using these ineffective
    products is worse than wasting money - it may cause irreparable harm by
    delaying or replacing approved treatments that can bring actual health
    benefits."

    In a complaint filed in federal district court in Nevada on June 12,


    2003,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the FTC alleges that two Carlsbad, California-based companies, Seasilver
    USA. Inc. and Americaloe, Inc., their principals, Bela and Jason Berkes;
    Brett Rademacher, doing business as Netmark International and


    NetmarkPro;

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    and David R. Friedman, D.C., violated the FTC Act by making false and
    unsubstantiated claims for Seasilver. Seasilver is a liquid
    multi-vitamin/mineral/amino acid dietary supplement that purports to
    contain, among other ingredients, aloe vera, phyto-silver (purportedly a
    plant-based silver), sea vegetables, the herb Pau D'Arco, and cranberry
    concentrate. A 32-oz. bottle of Seasilver costs $39.95.

    According to the FTC, the defendants promote Seasilver through national
    television and radio infomercials, Web sites at www.seasilver.com and
    www.myseasilver.com/main, spam emails, and a glossy 28-page consumer
    brochure. The defendants publicly claimed that Seasilver USA earns $180
    million annually from selling Seasilver. The FTC alleges that the
    defendants' ads and promotional materials represented that Seasilver:


    (1)

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    treats or cures cancer; (2) enables nine out of ten diabetes patients to
    stop their insulin medication; and (3) causes rapid, substantial, and
    permanent weight loss without dieting. The FTC charges that these and


    other

    Quoted message said:

    claims go beyond existing scientific evidence on any of the ingredients
    contained in the product, and therefore, are false and unsubstantiated.

    In addition, the complaint alleges that the defendants represented,


    without

    Quoted message said:

    scientific support, that Seasilver treats or cures AIDS, diabetes, lyme
    disease, and various cancers; cures chronic obstructive pulmonary


    disease;

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    enables post-heart attack patients to reduce their heart medication,
    eliminates high blood pressure; and is 100 percent safe for pregnant and
    lactating women, senior citizens, children, and infants. Finally, the
    complaint alleges that defendants provided deceptive advertisements and
    promotional materials to distributors for use in their marketing and


    sale

    Quoted message said:

    of

    Quoted message said:

    Seasilver.

    At the FTC's request, on June 13, 2003, the federal district court


    issued

    Quoted message said:

    a

    Quoted message said:

    temporary restraining order prohibiting the defendants from making the
    challenged claims and freezing their assets. In addition, the FTC is


    seeking

    Quoted message said:

    preliminary and permanent injunctive relief, including restitution to
    consumers who purchased the product.

    On June 16, 2003, acting at the FDA's request, the United States


    Attorney

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    for the Southern District of California filed a complaint seeking the
    seizure of Seasilver USA's Seasilver product. On June 17, 2003, United
    States Marshals seized 132,480 bottles of Seasilver, worth nearly $5.3
    million from Seasilver USA's San Diego headquarters. The Government's
    complaint alleges that, although Seasilver USA markets Seasilver as a
    dietary supplement, it promotes it on the Internet and in marketing
    materials sent with the product as a treatment for serious diseases
    including cancer, diabetes, hypoglycemia, psoriasis, hepatitis, and
    arthritis. These claims cause Seasilver to be an unapproved new drug


    under

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (the Act). Such claims also


    cause

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Seasilver to be misbranded under the Act because it lacks adequate
    directions for use. Seasilver's labeling also contains claims such as
    "cleanses your vital organs" and "oxygenates your body's cells."


    According

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    to the complaint, these claims show that Seasilver is intended to affect


    the

    Quoted message said:

    structure or function of the body. Because the claims are


    unsubstantiated,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Seasilver is misbranded under the Act.

    In addition to the violations caused by its product claims, Seasilver


    USA

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    has had obgoing sanitation problems at its manufacturing facility. As
    recently as December of last year, FDA cited the company for using


    equipment

    Quoted message said:

    that cannot be properly cleaned and for permitting its employees to work


    the

    Quoted message said:

    production line in street clothes. Employees in facilities like


    Seasilver

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    USA's must wear garments that protect against contamination of food and


    food

    Quoted message said:

    containers.

    Operation Cure.all

    The multi-jurisdictional nature of these deceptive marketing practices,
    particularly with the growth of the Internet, requires law enforcement
    organizations, domestically and internationally, to work in full


    cooperation

    Quoted message said:

    to combat the problem effectively. In its continuous efforts through
    Operation Cure.All, the FTC, FDA, Health Canada, Canada's Competition
    Bureau, the Federal Commission for the Protection from Sanitary Risks
    (COFEPRIS) of Mexico, and state Attorneys General, the FTC, FDA, Health
    Canada, Canada's Competition Bureau, and state Attorneys General are


    working

    Quoted message said:

    cooperatively to detect and deter fraudulent marketing of health-related
    products. For additional information on Operation Cure.All. see the


    FTC's

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Cure.All Web site at
    http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/edcams/cureall/index.html.

    Tips for Consumers

    The FTC, the FDA, and other sister agencies have compiled a list of


    valuable

    Quoted message said:

    and reliable sources of health information for consumers. The FTC Web


    site

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    at www.ftc.gov/cureall, and the FDA Web site at www.fda.gov, provides


    direct

    Quoted message said:

    links to these sources of information. Consumers are encouraged to visit
    these Web sites when searching for health information and ask the


    following

    Quoted message said:

    questions before deciding whether to purchase a health-related product:

    What is the product?
    What is the evidence that this product will do whatever the product


    purports

    Quoted message said:

    to do (e.g., counteract the disease or medical condition being relieved;
    lead to better results than conventional treatment?)
    Have results from studies of this product been published in any
    peer-reviewed medical journals? Can I have copies of the publications or
    references to these publications?
    What are the training and credentials of the provider?
    Is the provider willing to communicate with my primary care physician


    and/or

    Quoted message said:

    my health insurance company?
    The FTC vote to authorize staff to file the complaint in this matter was
    5-0. The case was filed in the U.S. District Court of Nevada, on June


    12,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    2003.

    NOTE: The Commission authorizes the filing of a complaint when it has
    "reason to believe" that the law has been or is being violated, and it
    appears to the Commission that a proceeding is in the public interest.


    The

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    complaint is not a finding or ruling that the defendant actually has
    violated the law. The case will be decided by the court.

    The FTC has established a telephone hotline recording that it will kept
    update with the latest developments. Distributors are urged to use this
    number: 1-877-862-0886 (option #5).

    Copies of the complaint and related documents in both actions are


    available

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    from the FTC's Web site at http://www.ftc.gov and also from the FTC's
    Consumer Response Center, Room 130, 600 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W.,
    Washington, D.C. 20580. The FTC works for the consumer to prevent
    fraudulent, deceptive, and unfair business practices in the marketplace


    and

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    to provide information to help consumers spot, stop, and avoid them. To


    file

    Quoted message said:

    a complaint, or to get free information on any of 150 consumer topics,


    call

    Quoted message said:

    toll-free, 1-877-FTC-HELP (1 877-382-4357), or use the complaint form at
    http://www.ftc.gov. The FTC enters Internet, telemarketing, identity


    theft,

    Quoted message said:

    and other fraud-related complaints into Consumer Sentinel, a secure,


    online

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    database available to hundreds of civil and criminal law enforcement
    agencies in the U.S. and abroad.

    Thanks, Dave, for posting this. Even though it is old news, it is a
    refreshing reminder that sometimes justice is done, and the people who


    would

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    deceive for profit can be stopped. Truth in advertising is an important
    concept, and ALL advertisers should be held to it, whether they are


    selling

    Quoted message said:

    conventional drugs, 'alternative' therapies, or, for that matter, toys or
    automobiles.

    Seasilver was a particularly noxious advertising campaign, as described
    above. The claims you make for ginseng are just as false and outrageous,


    of

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    course, and if you ever advance your advertising to the level of big
    magazine ads and infomercials, perhaps you will get a taste of justice as
    well. Alas, the FDA does not have the resources to pursue every slimy


    little

    Quoted message said:

    internet spammer, so we will have to be content with seeing your stupid


    spam

    Quoted message said:

    being challenged by those here who are scientifically literate, and able


    to

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    write coherently.

    The 5000 year history and very well accepted benefits offered by ginseng
    speaks
    for itself. The very fact that ginseng is a part of the culture and lives of
    all Asian
    peoples (outside of America) and is eaten by 3 billion people every day
    makes
    your assertions appear silly. If misguided people such as yourself prevents
    ginseng
    from remaining available to Americans, then the success is, in fact failure.
    You
    offer a losers mentality, failure, illness and poor health. I know you are
    proud of
    that.

  5. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Nutrition not allowed...
    From: "Dave" [email hidden]
    Date: 10/8/2003 7:49 AM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    "Rich Shewmaker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

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    --

    "Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

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    FTC Charges Marketers of Seasilver with Making False and Deceptive


    Claims;

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    FDA Seizes Seasilver Inventories

    The Federal Trade Commission (FTC) and the Food and Drug Administration
    (FDA) announced coordinated actions against two companies - both charged
    with promoting the dietary supplement "Seasilver" with unsubstantiated
    medical claims. The agencies' actions against Seasilver USA, Inc. and
    Americaloe, Inc. are designed to halt the fraudulent marketing of


    Seasilver

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    and to seize the available inventory of the product. Today's actions are


    the

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    latest part of Operation Cure.All, an on-going coordinated effort among


    the

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    FTC, the FDA, Health Canada, Canada's Competition Bureau, and state
    Attorneys General to crack down on unscrupulous marketers who prey on
    consumers with serious illnesses.

    The FTC has charged the two companies, their owners, the principal
    distributor, and a purported "expert" with making false and


    unsubstantiated

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    claims about the health benefits and safety of a product they market


    called

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    "Seasilver"- a purported cure-all liquid supplement. The FTC alleges


    that

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    the defendants promoted Seasilver as safe and effective to treat or cure


    650

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    diseases, including AIDS and cancers, and to cause substantial and


    permanent

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    weight loss. The FDA has seized inventories of the product.

    "The FTC and the FDA are committed to aggressive action against


    fraudulent

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    claims in the dietary supplement market," said Timothy J. Muris,


    Chairman

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    of

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    the FTC. "Like the snake oil salesman of old, Seasilver claimed to cure


    650

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    different health problems, including such serious diseases as cancer,


    AIDS,

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    and diabetes. These claims may keep consumers from seeking appropriate
    treatment. They certainly empty consumers' pockets."

    "This is the sort of intolerable health fraud I had in mind when I


    announced

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    six months ago that the FDA will take vigorous actions against firms


    that

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    prey on consumers and patients by selling worthless dietary supplements


    as

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    cures for serious and chronic diseases and conditions," said Mark B.
    McClellan, M.D., PhD, the FDA Commissioner. "Using these ineffective
    products is worse than wasting money - it may cause irreparable harm by
    delaying or replacing approved treatments that can bring actual health
    benefits."

    In a complaint filed in federal district court in Nevada on June 12,


    2003,

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    the FTC alleges that two Carlsbad, California-based companies, Seasilver
    USA. Inc. and Americaloe, Inc., their principals, Bela and Jason Berkes;
    Brett Rademacher, doing business as Netmark International and


    NetmarkPro;

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    and David R. Friedman, D.C., violated the FTC Act by making false and
    unsubstantiated claims for Seasilver. Seasilver is a liquid
    multi-vitamin/mineral/amino acid dietary supplement that purports to
    contain, among other ingredients, aloe vera, phyto-silver (purportedly a
    plant-based silver), sea vegetables, the herb Pau D'Arco, and cranberry
    concentrate. A 32-oz. bottle of Seasilver costs $39.95.

    According to the FTC, the defendants promote Seasilver through national
    television and radio infomercials, Web sites at www.seasilver.com and
    www.myseasilver.com/main, spam emails, and a glossy 28-page consumer
    brochure. The defendants publicly claimed that Seasilver USA earns $180
    million annually from selling Seasilver. The FTC alleges that the
    defendants' ads and promotional materials represented that Seasilver:


    (1)

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    treats or cures cancer; (2) enables nine out of ten diabetes patients to
    stop their insulin medication; and (3) causes rapid, substantial, and
    permanent weight loss without dieting. The FTC charges that these and


    other

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    claims go beyond existing scientific evidence on any of the ingredients
    contained in the product, and therefore, are false and unsubstantiated.

    In addition, the complaint alleges that the defendants represented,


    without

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    scientific support, that Seasilver treats or cures AIDS, diabetes, lyme
    disease, and various cancers; cures chronic obstructive pulmonary


    disease;

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    enables post-heart attack patients to reduce their heart medication,
    eliminates high blood pressure; and is 100 percent safe for pregnant and
    lactating women, senior citizens, children, and infants. Finally, the
    complaint alleges that defendants provided deceptive advertisements and
    promotional materials to distributors for use in their marketing and


    sale

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    of

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    Seasilver.

    At the FTC's request, on June 13, 2003, the federal district court


    issued

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    a

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    temporary restraining order prohibiting the defendants from making the
    challenged claims and freezing their assets. In addition, the FTC is


    seeking

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    preliminary and permanent injunctive relief, including restitution to
    consumers who purchased the product.

    On June 16, 2003, acting at the FDA's request, the United States


    Attorney

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    for the Southern District of California filed a complaint seeking the
    seizure of Seasilver USA's Seasilver product. On June 17, 2003, United
    States Marshals seized 132,480 bottles of Seasilver, worth nearly $5.3
    million from Seasilver USA's San Diego headquarters. The Government's
    complaint alleges that, although Seasilver USA markets Seasilver as a
    dietary supplement, it promotes it on the Internet and in marketing
    materials sent with the product as a treatment for serious diseases
    including cancer, diabetes, hypoglycemia, psoriasis, hepatitis, and
    arthritis. These claims cause Seasilver to be an unapproved new drug


    under

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    the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (the Act). Such claims also


    cause

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    Seasilver to be misbranded under the Act because it lacks adequate
    directions for use. Seasilver's labeling also contains claims such as
    "cleanses your vital organs" and "oxygenates your body's cells."


    According

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    to the complaint, these claims show that Seasilver is intended to affect


    the

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    structure or function of the body. Because the claims are


    unsubstantiated,

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    Seasilver is misbranded under the Act.

    In addition to the violations caused by its product claims, Seasilver


    USA

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    has had obgoing sanitation problems at its manufacturing facility. As
    recently as December of last year, FDA cited the company for using


    equipment

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    that cannot be properly cleaned and for permitting its employees to work


    the

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    production line in street clothes. Employees in facilities like


    Seasilver

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    USA's must wear garments that protect against contamination of food and


    food

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    containers.

    Operation Cure.all

    The multi-jurisdictional nature of these deceptive marketing practices,
    particularly with the growth of the Internet, requires law enforcement
    organizations, domestically and internationally, to work in full


    cooperation

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    to combat the problem effectively. In its continuous efforts through
    Operation Cure.All, the FTC, FDA, Health Canada, Canada's Competition
    Bureau, the Federal Commission for the Protection from Sanitary Risks
    (COFEPRIS) of Mexico, and state Attorneys General, the FTC, FDA, Health
    Canada, Canada's Competition Bureau, and state Attorneys General are


    working

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    cooperatively to detect and deter fraudulent marketing of health-related
    products. For additional information on Operation Cure.All. see the


    FTC's

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    Cure.All Web site at
    http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/edcams/cureall/index.html.

    Tips for Consumers

    The FTC, the FDA, and other sister agencies have compiled a list of


    valuable

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    and reliable sources of health information for consumers. The FTC Web


    site

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    at www.ftc.gov/cureall, and the FDA Web site at www.fda.gov, provides


    direct

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    links to these sources of information. Consumers are encouraged to visit
    these Web sites when searching for health information and ask the


    following

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    questions before deciding whether to purchase a health-related product:

    What is the product?
    What is the evidence that this product will do whatever the product


    purports

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    to do (e.g., counteract the disease or medical condition being relieved;
    lead to better results than conventional treatment?)
    Have results from studies of this product been published in any
    peer-reviewed medical journals? Can I have copies of the publications or
    references to these publications?
    What are the training and credentials of the provider?
    Is the provider willing to communicate with my primary care physician


    and/or

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    my health insurance company?
    The FTC vote to authorize staff to file the complaint in this matter was
    5-0. The case was filed in the U.S. District Court of Nevada, on June


    12,

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    2003.

    NOTE: The Commission authorizes the filing of a complaint when it has
    "reason to believe" that the law has been or is being violated, and it
    appears to the Commission that a proceeding is in the public interest.


    The

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    complaint is not a finding or ruling that the defendant actually has
    violated the law. The case will be decided by the court.

    The FTC has established a telephone hotline recording that it will kept
    update with the latest developments. Distributors are urged to use this
    number: 1-877-862-0886 (option #5).

    Copies of the complaint and related documents in both actions are


    available

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    from the FTC's Web site at http://www.ftc.gov and also from the FTC's
    Consumer Response Center, Room 130, 600 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W.,
    Washington, D.C. 20580. The FTC works for the consumer to prevent
    fraudulent, deceptive, and unfair business practices in the marketplace


    and

    Quoted message said:

    to provide information to help consumers spot, stop, and avoid them. To


    file

    Quoted message said:

    a complaint, or to get free information on any of 150 consumer topics,


    call

    Quoted message said:

    toll-free, 1-877-FTC-HELP (1 877-382-4357), or use the complaint form at
    http://www.ftc.gov. The FTC enters Internet, telemarketing, identity


    theft,

    Quoted message said:

    and other fraud-related complaints into Consumer Sentinel, a secure,


    online

    Quoted message said:

    database available to hundreds of civil and criminal law enforcement
    agencies in the U.S. and abroad.

    Thanks, Dave, for posting this. Even though it is old news, it is a
    refreshing reminder that sometimes justice is done, and the people who


    would

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    deceive for profit can be stopped.

    Except for drug companies, who deceive.

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    slimy little internet spammer,

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    stupidspam

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    scientifically literate, and able
    to write coherently.

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    I don't give a damn if Peter lied to you, this newsgroup, his mother, or
    the pope.

    Rich Shewmaker Ka Ching

  6. Quoted message said:

    Thanks, Dave, for posting this. Even though it is old news, it is a
    refreshing reminder that sometimes justice is done, and the people who would
    deceive for profit can be stopped. Truth in advertising is an important
    concept, and ALL advertisers should be held to it, whether they are selling
    conventional drugs, 'alternative' therapies, or, for that matter, toys or
    automobiles.

    Seasilver was a particularly noxious advertising campaign, as described
    above. The claims you make for ginseng are just as false and outrageous, of
    course, and if you ever advance your advertising to the level of big
    magazine ads and infomercials, perhaps you will get a taste of justice as
    well. Alas, the FDA does not have the resources to pursue every slimy little
    internet spammer, so we will have to be content with seeing your stupid spam
    being challenged by those here who are scientifically literate, and able to
    write coherently.

    --Rich

    I have taken the liberty of reporting Spamming Dave to the FDA, FTC, and to his
    ISP, sympatico. I hope others will follow my lead and report every single
    _Spam_ post he makes in MHA.

    Let Justice be Served, so that we can have our nutritious discourse without
    pesticide ridden spam!

  7. "Ilsa9" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Thanks, Dave, for posting this. Even though it is old news, it is a
    refreshing reminder that sometimes justice is done, and the people who


    would

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    Quoted message said:

    deceive for profit can be stopped. Truth in advertising is an important
    concept, and ALL advertisers should be held to it, whether they are


    selling

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    conventional drugs, 'alternative' therapies, or, for that matter, toys or
    automobiles.

    Seasilver was a particularly noxious advertising campaign, as described
    above. The claims you make for ginseng are just as false and outrageous,


    of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    course, and if you ever advance your advertising to the level of big
    magazine ads and infomercials, perhaps you will get a taste of justice as
    well. Alas, the FDA does not have the resources to pursue every slimy


    little

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    internet spammer, so we will have to be content with seeing your stupid


    spam

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    being challenged by those here who are scientifically literate, and able


    to

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    Quoted message said:

    write coherently.

    --Rich

    I have taken the liberty of reporting Spamming Dave to the FDA, FTC, and


    to his

    Quoted message said:

    ISP, sympatico. I hope others will follow my lead and report every single
    _Spam_ post he makes in MHA.>

    I am extremely confident that you are a well known "psycho" to these people,
    as you are here.

  8. Quoted message said:


    "Ilsa9" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Thanks, Dave, for posting this. Even though it is old news, it is a
    refreshing reminder that sometimes justice is done, and the people who


    would

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    Quoted message said:

    deceive for profit can be stopped. Truth in advertising is an important
    concept, and ALL advertisers should be held to it, whether they are


    selling

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    conventional drugs, 'alternative' therapies, or, for that matter, toys or
    automobiles.

    Seasilver was a particularly noxious advertising campaign, as described
    above. The claims you make for ginseng are just as false and outrageous,


    of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    course, and if you ever advance your advertising to the level of big
    magazine ads and infomercials, perhaps you will get a taste of justice as
    well. Alas, the FDA does not have the resources to pursue every slimy


    little

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    internet spammer, so we will have to be content with seeing your stupid


    spam

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    being challenged by those here who are scientifically literate, and able


    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    write coherently.

    --Rich

    I have taken the liberty of reporting Spamming Dave to the FDA, FTC, and


    to his

    Quoted message said:

    ISP, sympatico. I hope others will follow my lead and report every single
    _Spam_ post he makes in MHA.>

    I am extremely confident that you are a well known "psycho" to these people,
    as you are here.

    Dave, you may wish to shop around for another ISP. Your ISP has had quite a
    few complaints from several posters about several of your Spam posts.

    Spam is a moral evil. Spam is what you do and you do it despite the fact that
    your product contains high levels of pesticides. You do it in order to
    profiteer off of the ignorant, desperate, and scientifically illiterate.

    Your days of spamming are numbered.

  9. "Ilsa9" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    "Ilsa9" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    >Thanks, Dave, for posting this. Even though it is old news, it is a
    >refreshing reminder that sometimes justice is done, and the people who


    would

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    >deceive for profit can be stopped. Truth in advertising is an


    important

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
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    >concept, and ALL advertisers should be held to it, whether they are


    selling

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    >conventional drugs, 'alternative' therapies, or, for that matter, toys


    or

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    >automobiles.
    >
    >Seasilver was a particularly noxious advertising campaign, as


    described

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    >above. The claims you make for ginseng are just as false and


    outrageous,

    Quoted message said:
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    of

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    >course, and if you ever advance your advertising to the level of big
    >magazine ads and infomercials, perhaps you will get a taste of justice


    as

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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >well. Alas, the FDA does not have the resources to pursue every slimy


    little

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    >internet spammer, so we will have to be content with seeing your


    stupid

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    spam

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    >being challenged by those here who are scientifically literate, and


    able

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    to

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    >write coherently.
    >
    >--Rich

    I have taken the liberty of reporting Spamming Dave to the FDA, FTC,


    and

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    Quoted message said:

    to his

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    ISP, sympatico. I hope others will follow my lead and report every


    single

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    _Spam_ post he makes in MHA.>

    I am extremely confident that you are a well known "psycho" to these


    people,

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    Quoted message said:

    as you are here.

    Dave, you may wish to shop around for another ISP. Your ISP has had quite


    a

    Quoted message said:

    few complaints from several posters about several of your Spam posts.

    Spam is a moral evil. Spam is what you do and you do it despite the fact


    that

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    your product contains high levels of pesticides. You do it in order to
    profiteer off of the ignorant, desperate, and scientifically illiterate.

    You are a sad, case and are everything you have been labeled.

  10. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Nutrition not allowed...
    From: "Dave" [email hidden]
    Date: 10/8/2003 1:38 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    "Ilsa9" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

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    Quoted message said:


    "Ilsa9" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    > >Thanks, Dave, for posting this. Even though it is old news, it is a
    > >refreshing reminder that sometimes justice is done, and the people who
    would
    > >deceive for profit can be stopped. Truth in advertising is an


    important

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    > >concept, and ALL advertisers should be held to it, whether they are
    selling
    > >conventional drugs, 'alternative' therapies, or, for that matter, toys


    or

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    > >automobiles.
    > >
    > >Seasilver was a particularly noxious advertising campaign, as


    described

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    > >above. The claims you make for ginseng are just as false and


    outrageous,

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    of
    > >course, and if you ever advance your advertising to the level of big
    > >magazine ads and infomercials, perhaps you will get a taste of justice


    as

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >well. Alas, the FDA does not have the resources to pursue every slimy
    little
    > >internet spammer, so we will have to be content with seeing your


    stupid

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    Quoted message said:

    spam
    > >being challenged by those here who are scientifically literate, and


    able

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    to
    > >write coherently.
    > >
    > >--Rich
    >
    > I have taken the liberty of reporting Spamming Dave to the FDA, FTC,


    and

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    to his
    > ISP, sympatico. I hope others will follow my lead and report every


    single

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    > _Spam_ post he makes in MHA.>

    I am extremely confident that you are a well known "psycho" to these


    people,

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    as you are here.

    Dave, you may wish to shop around for another ISP. Your ISP has had quite


    a

    Quoted message said:

    few complaints from several posters about several of your Spam posts.

    Spam is a moral evil. Spam is what you do and you do it despite the fact


    that

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    your product contains high levels of pesticides. You do it in order to
    profiteer off of the ignorant, desperate, and scientifically illiterate.

    You are a sad, case and are everything you have been labeled.

    Andrew's lies.

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    The point is that in Florida, there isn't as much difference between the


    scope of practice (licensure) of MD's and AP's as the general public &
    especially Kaalga think.MD's have their Rx Meds, surgery, and primacy in Cancer
    (AP's are notallowed to be the Primary, but a complimentary physician for
    this). However, both do essentially the samething with quite different
    methods.""My school was accredited by the same bodies that accredited all the
    othermedical schools in Florida.""We are recognized as a medical college by the
    State of Florida.""Anyway, Medical College is a legal definition in the state
    of Florida. It means that my school is licensed by the same accreditation board
    that certifies MD and DO schools.""Yes, in your great state of Florida, my
    acupuncture school is a MedicalCollege."

    "Now, as for the Scientific community, they are openly embracing
    acupuncture.""Disharmonies, by legal definition in Florida, are diseases. They
    aret reated as such by the Legal, Medical, Educational, and Insurance
    industries.....To boil it down even further, not only does the educational
    system inFlorida accept disharmonies, they require my school to teach them."

    The truth:

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    it is merely a question of the Florida statutes, which are on-line for


    everyone to read.

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    they were simply grandstanding attempts by andrew to make an acupuncture


    education on a par with conventional medical doctors' educations. something i
    found ludicrous at the time and still do----particularly in light of that
    recent 'best acupuncture schools' advertisement post.

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    Florida state statutes and kaalga lives in Florida. It's as much part of her


    life as Andrew's. The issue could not be simpler. Is there a legal definition
    of disharmonies' in the Florida statutes. Answer, No. But Andrew persists
    that we are lying.

    Quoted message said:

    Perfectly objective. What statute defines 'disharmonies'. None. Andrew


    cannot answer because the Florida statutes do not legally define disharmonies.
    It defines acupuncture and mentions some diagnosis techniques, but no mention
    of disharmonies.

    Quoted message said:

    the state of florida verified this.

    *Disharmonies" is not defined in 457 or 64B1 which is the Acupuncture statute
    and rules. He must have found a definition in a statute that I am unfamiliar
    with. If you would like to file a complaint, you may contact our complaint
    section at: 850-414-7209. "Disharmonies" is not listed in the scope of practice
    of an acupuncturist.**

    Jan

  11. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Dave said:

    The 5000 year history and very well accepted benefits offered by
    ginseng speaks for itself. The very fact that ginseng is a part of
    the culture and lives of all Asian peoples (outside of America) and
    is eaten by 3 billion people every day makes your assertions appear
    silly.

    You certainly know "silly," based on your own demonstration. Last
    time you made a hyperbolic claim like this, it was only one billion
    people. Now it's three billion. In a couple of weeks, you'll be
    claiming it's nine billion.

    Hint: the population of the entire planet is about six billion.
    A lot more than half of them are not consuming ginseng every day.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  12. --

    "Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    The 5000 year history and very well accepted benefits offered by ginseng
    speaks
    for itself. The very fact that ginseng is a part of the culture and lives


    of

    Quoted message said:

    all Asian
    peoples (outside of America) and is eaten by 3 billion people every day
    makes
    your assertions appear silly. If misguided people such as yourself


    prevents

    Quoted message said:

    ginseng
    from remaining available to Americans, then the success is, in fact


    failure.

    Quoted message said:

    You
    offer a losers mentality, failure, illness and poor health. I know you are
    proud of
    that.

    I've traveled extensively in Asia, and I prefer to eat local food when I
    travel. I've never been offered ginseng in an Asian meal. I live in Hawaii,
    where Asians outnumber Caucasians. The supermarkets, and Wal*Mart, and Kmart
    here sell rice by the fifty-pound bag. You can get rice with your meal at
    MacDonald's here. But you do not see ginseng sold in quantity anywhere here.
    Sure the drugstores have the little bottles of ginseng pills and teas, but
    no more than you would find in a drug store in Pittsburgh. Perhaps all our
    Asians are getting their ginseng from MLM'ers? My sister-in-law is a
    Japanese acupuncturist, born and raised in Okinawa. She does not, and has
    never, used ginseng. Neither did her parents. So it's hard for me to believe
    your contention that "Ginseng is a part of the culture and lives of all
    Asian peoples."

    --Rich

  13. (Jan) said:

    http://www.oralchelation.com/taheebo/foottah/drjames.htm

    Jan Drew advertizes quackery.

    Regards,

    Aribert Deckers
    --
    POLICE - POLIZEI - POLITIE - POLICIA

    http://www.ariplex.com/ama/amapolis.htm

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