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  1. article VacLib put in the Idaho Observor this month
    The weblink to this flyer is www.vaclib.org/basic/flu_2004_short_ad.html

    Be your own expert because the "so-called" experts have lost their minds

    Millions of people are catching onto the dangers of vaccines since the
    growing number of afflicted children is impossible to ignore. Frightened by
    growing public concern, public health officials feel the need to use the
    police powers of the state to justify their unscientific policies that
    vaccines are safe and effective.

    compiled by Vaccination Liberation

    Iowa bans thimerosal

    This year Iowa became the first state to ban thimerosal, a mercury
    derivative, from being added to vaccines. Although it is part of the
    manufacturing process and is still in vaccines in trace amount, this is a
    huge victory that could snowball with other states passing similar
    legislation.

    In fact, another news release from California notes that Governor Arnold
    Schwarzenegger just signed a bill that bans practitioners in California
    from administering thimerosal-containing vaccines to children under three
    years old.

    Unfortunately, both bills will not become law until sometime in 2006.

    CDC decides to go down with sinking ship

    In perfect timing to this recent whirlwind of activity surrounding the
    controversy of mercury-containing vaccines, the subsequent development of
    autism and the lack of safety studies done on thimerosal as a vaccine
    additive, the CDC continues to be supportive of thimerosal. The federal
    "epidemic" agency is issuing vaccine fact sheets to health departments all
    over the nation assuring health care professionals and consumers that
    thimerosal in vaccines is perfectly safe and has never been proven to be
    otherwise.

    Experts claim study proves mercury is good for developing brains

    Also well timed is the citing of the September, 2004 edition of Pediatrics
    by Reuters Health in which an article appeared claiming
    thimerosal-containing vaccines actually improve children's behavior and
    development.

    The article Reuters Health and other news outlets have broadcast widely is
    entitled, "Mercury-Containing Vaccines May Help, Not Harm Kids." The
    article actually says:

    "There appeared to be protective effects from thimerosal-containing vaccine
    exposure for general developmental disorders, attention-deficit disorder,
    and unspecified developmental delay."

    After two years of being told that we should not eat mercury-containing
    seafood or breathe it via coal-fired plants because it's bad for you, are
    we now to believe that injected mercury takes on a new life and is
    beneficial?

    Under threat, duress and coercion

    In the midst of this heated debate among the controlled media, the CDC, and
    Big Pharma versus outspoken consumer advocates, activists and researchers,
    we find that our "police state" enforcers of this debacle are out in full
    force to make sure we all partake in the medical miracle of vaccines.

    In Washington D.C., an October 2 Washington Post article entitled "District
    Resorts to Court to Enforce Inoculations: 434 Students Parents' May Face
    Neglect Charges," we are told that parents will be fined as much as a $100
    and jailed for up to five days for "each offense" if their children are
    truant due to lack of "immunizations" or records validating that their
    children have had the "required" shots.

    Among the requirements for attending Washington D.C. middle and high
    schools are booster shots for diphtheria/tetanus (Dt vaccine), Measles,
    Mumps and Rubella (the MMR vaccine) and hepatitis B. More recently,
    varicella vaccine (for chickenpox, a mild infectious childhood disease in
    healthy children) has been added as an additional requirement for attending
    school.

    Exemptions based on medical reasons or religious convictions are not
    mentioned in the article.

    Nurses know

    In Washington state, Virginia Mason Medical Center decided to require that
    ALL their nurses be injected with this year's flu vaccine. The Washington
    State Nurses Association (WSNA), representing more than 600 registered
    nurses, jumped in and filed a petition in federal court seeking an
    injunction to stop the implementation of the hospital's recent policy
    requiring mandatory flu vaccination for all RNs.

    Although WSNA makes statements in these press releases that flu shots are
    recommended and they believe they are a "good thing," they are adamantly
    opposed to requiring a medical treatment such as the flu vaccine with the
    threat of termination for failing to partake.

    A paradox?

    So here we have a school district threatening fines and jail time for
    parents if their children are truant due to lack of immunization records
    and failing to comply with school district "policy," and a nurses'
    association filing a petition in federal court to allow nurses to keep
    their job if they choose not to vaccinate with this year's flu shot.

    Why aren't we hearing cries denouncing policies that violate the Nuremberg
    Code prohibiting forced medical experimentation via vaccines?

    A People petition

    After soliciting vaccine awareness activists for stories of families who
    had one autistic child and a subsequent non-autistic child who was never
    vaccinated, People magazine published in its September 27, 2004 edition an
    article entitled "Desperate Measures - Armed with a new study, some parents
    say vaccines trigger autism. But is skipping shots the answer?"

    Many parents of autistic children and vaccine awareness activists were
    outraged with the lack of true investigative reporting done on the part of
    the four authors cited. In fact, it appeared to be a front piece for
    backing up current CDC policy. Or worse, an admission that pharmaceutical
    industry advertisement dollars have major influence over People's editorial
    policy.

    The entire article has so many outright lies that Spokane activist Joan
    Mootry decided to make a list of them and refute the article in the form of
    an online petition to be sent to People magazine when there is a sufficient
    number of signatures. To date, 830 people have signed this petition. To
    sign the petition, go to www.autismtruth.org and have your voice count!

    Still trust the FDA and CDC?

    While the vaccine police appear to be in full force, we hear that Fluviron,
    the flu vaccine the CDC has purchased 46 to 48 million doses of so that 100
    million doses will be available for this year's flu season, is contaminated
    and must be "dumped."

    The story even made the headlines of our local paper, The Coeur d'Alene
    Press (October 6, 2004). According to the Press,The Panhandle Health
    District was counting on 7,500 doses-or 63 percent of its stock to be
    Fluviron, manufactured in Liverpool, UK, by Chiron.

    According to several news releases, Chiron will close it doors for three
    months due to British regulators finding of what they delicately termed
    "manufacturing problems." What is most disturbing is the fact that our
    health officials knew in August of this year that 4 million doses of
    Fluviron were contaminated but defended the rest of the supply, assuring
    doctors and health departments there would be no shortage this year.

    This is certainly a deja vu for our readers since the December 2000 edition
    of The Idaho Observer ran an article about the filth and contamination
    problems with Medeva's Liverpool plant, and how the FDA gave the green
    light to sell 20 million doses of Fluvirin that year despite not having
    inspected it to see if the problems had been resolved from their earlier
    inspection in 2000.

    It just so happens that Medeva was shutdown and then reopened as Chiron -
    same owners, different name. What was then Fluvirin is now Fluviron.

    What this really means is that unsanitary and filthy manufacturing
    conditions are given the green light by our own FDA. In fact the U.S.
    purchased a million doses of Fluviron prior to Chiron's UK plant being
    shutdown by British regulators, and these doses of Fluviron have not been
    recalled. Afterall, thousands of U.S. citizens have already received
    Fluviron and this scandal could turn public health into a public "disease"
    nightmare.

    As if on queue to cover-up the real problems associated with contaminated
    vaccines causing serious diseases, doctors across the nation are voicing
    their outrage that they won't have enough flu vaccine available to protect
    their most vulnerable patients - the elderly - from catching the flu. What
    doctors are really admitting is that they are clueless as to other methods
    of treating and preventing flu, their training being limited to the use of
    toxic drugs and now contaminated biologicals.

    Pregnant women and infant children first

    While the "mercury-containing" vaccine issue rages, the CDC was planning on
    supplying the public with only 6,000 to 8,000 doses of mercury-free flu
    vaccine, and this year's sales campaign is targeting pregnant women and
    infants.

    Apparently it is up to the health department to order "thimerosal-free" flu
    vaccines. It was reported to The Idaho Observer that the Spokane Regional
    Health District (SRHD) did not bother to order any mercury-free flu
    vaccines this year even though it is soliciting flu vaccines for infants,
    toddlers and pregnant women.

    Informationally out to lunch

    As vaccine awareness activists begin to investigate exactly what vaccines
    health departments are administering, they are finding doors closed and
    even police used to stop the public from asking appropriate questions and
    learning the truth about vaccines.

    Violet Harris of Caldwell, Idaho went to the Canyon County Health
    Department to find out exactly which vaccines they were administering to
    the county's children in their summertime drive to "immunize" the county's
    children before school.

    Harris wanted to see the vaccine package inserts from the manufacturers so
    she could further her research into epidemic learning disabilities and
    behavioral problems in Canyon County children. She was not only refused the
    information but was told that she was on private property and was swiftly
    escorted out of the building by local police who were called to remove her
    from the premises.

    Joan Mootry had a similar experience in Spokane when she was abruptly "hung
    up on" during a phone call with the Spokane Regional Health District in
    which she was attempting to have specific questions answered regarding
    their flu vaccine campaign. She finally decided to go there in person with
    a gentleman at her side as a witness.

    Mootry continued to get evasive treatment with the employees of the SRHD
    actually refusing to give out their names. Needless to say, this was quite
    a rude awakening for her "witness" who has actively opposed the
    fluoridation of Spokane city water being added to the ballot in November.
    The people of Spokane have previously voted down twice the fluoridation of
    Spokane city water.

    How many flu shots can you prevent?

    We are encouraging people across the country to mass produce the following
    ad as a half page flyer and disseminate as many as possible in your
    communities. This insanity can only continue by the few awake among us
    doing nothing.

    The Flu Vaccine:

    Expanding a Failure

    This year, aggressive flu vaccine sales tactics are targeting 100 million
    customers in the USA, up from last years 80 million doses. The use of flu
    vaccine is still controversial 60 years after its introduction.

    Medical theorists disagree on whether flu vaccines protect from the flu or
    the opposite, actually cause diseases. Deaths associated with the flu
    continue to rise parallel with increased flu vaccine usage. No large
    population studies prove the flu vaccine to have any protective value.

    Every year, 80 to 90 percent of the population is naturally immune from all
    forms of Influenza Like Illnesses (ILI's). Due to the fact that only 10 to
    15 percent of these ILI's are actually flu, Natural immunity protects 96 to
    98 people out of every hundred from contracting the flu.

    An increasing number of people are concluding that the body is
    self-protecting and self-healing and that artificial immunization is
    ineffective and harmful. Known adverse effects of the flu vaccine include
    flu-like symptoms, joint and muscle pain (sometimes lasting for years),
    severe allergic reactions and occasional death.

    Natural immunity to all contagious diseases is promoted by lifestyle
    practices that increase digestive ability and elimination of toxins.

    Many religious prohibitions against blood pollution exist for both health
    and spiritual reasons. Scientists are awakening to the fact that
    vaccination has it roots in the pre-scientific age and no adequate
    scientific tests prove vaccine safety and effectiveness.

    Explore our treasury of hard to find facts about vaccines at
    www.vaccinetruth.com.

    This public service announcement is brought to you by Vaccination
    Liberation 1-888-249-1421

    The weblink to this flyer is www.vaclib.org/basic/flu_2004_short_ad.html

    How do we immunize without vaccines?

    It is important to understand that our medical "experts" are trained at
    schools that are funded in large part by the pharmaceutical industry. If we
    are going to realize optimal health, we must become responsible for our
    lifestyle choices and healthcare decisions. Dis-ease, whether it is cancer
    or the flu, is a sign that our body is out of balance with the particular
    illness being our body's attempt to regain balance.

    Becoming a student of naturopathy and homeopathy will give you the tools
    necessary to work with your body's healing energies. Vaccines, antibiotics
    and other toxic drugs are foreign to the body and work in opposition to

  2. Despite all the [censored] in your post, you have yet to demonstrate that
    thimersol, in the tiny quanities used, is dangerous in the vaccines.

    Jeff

  3. "Jeff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Despite all the [censored] in your post, you have yet to demonstrate that
    thimersol, in the tiny quanities used, is dangerous in the vaccines.

    Jeff

    Wouldn't the onus be on the proponent of using this substance, to
    prove its safety? Why should it be the responsibility of an individual
    to prove its dangers?

    Before a substance is approved for use as an injectable compound,
    should not all of its effects be known and thoroughly tested for? The
    safety of the product is the responsibility of the manufacturer and
    the regulating agencies that approve it. They must be able to provide
    evidence of its safety for every concern brought to public view.
    Failing to do so is unacceptable.

    TC

  4. In article <[email hidden]>,

    tcomeau said:

    "Jeff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Despite all the [censored] in your post, you have yet to demonstrate that
    thimersol, in the tiny quanities used, is dangerous in the vaccines.

    Jeff

    Wouldn't the onus be on the proponent of using this substance, to
    prove its safety? Why should it be the responsibility of an individual
    to prove its dangers?

    Before a substance is approved for use as an injectable compound,
    should not all of its effects be known and thoroughly tested for? The
    safety of the product is the responsibility of the manufacturer and
    the regulating agencies that approve it. They must be able to provide
    evidence of its safety for every concern brought to public view.
    Failing to do so is unacceptable.

    You need to learn a little history, bub. Thimerosal was first added
    to vaccines quite some time ago -- because without it, the vaccines
    were becoming contaminated with bacteria and thus dangerous to the
    recipients.

    This was done back in an era when they weren't out looking for every
    tiny little potential trace problem that might, someday, many years
    from now, occur. These days, it's fashionable (thanks to worrywarts
    like you) to fret ourselves into a state of paralysis over the awful
    fear that something we're doing might, someday, have a bad side-
    effect. We don't know what it is, or even if it exists, but we're
    plenty worried about it anyway.

    The notion that "all of its effects be known and thoroughly tested
    for" is a stupid and meaningless concept, because you will never know
    *all* of its effects, only the ones you think to test for.

    In any event, virtually all the studies that have looked for bad
    effects from thimerosal have found nothing.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  5. "tcomeau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Jeff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Despite all the [censored] in your post, you have yet to demonstrate that
    thimersol, in the tiny quanities used, is dangerous in the vaccines.

    Jeff

    Wouldn't the onus be on the proponent of using this substance, to
    prove its safety? Why should it be the responsibility of an individual
    to prove its dangers?

    The onus is on John to prove his claims.

    Quoted message said:

    Before a substance is approved for use as an injectable compound,
    should not all of its effects be known and thoroughly tested for?

    Please list all effects of water.

    All of its effects are not known.

    Quoted message said:

    The
    safety of the product is the responsibility of the manufacturer and
    the regulating agencies that approve it. They must be able to provide
    evidence of its safety for every concern brought to public view.
    Failing to do so is unacceptable.

    No. They have to provide evidence of safety for every concern brought by the
    regulators.

    And it is up to the regulators (FDA) to make sure they do before they
    license it. Otherwise, they would have to answer to everyone, which is
    impossible. By the time they are done, you would have a trunkload of paper
    to read before getting a vaccine.

    Jeff

    Quoted message said:

    TC

  6. In article <[email hidden]>,
    john <[email hidden]> wrote:

    article VacLib put in the Idaho Observor this month

    Quoted message said:

    The weblink to this flyer is www.vaclib.org/basic/flu_2004_short_ad.html

    Be your own expert because the "so-called" experts have lost their minds

    This Ingrid Cassel is now setting herself up as an expert, so I guess
    she must have lost her mind too.

    Quoted message said:

    Millions of people are catching onto the dangers of vaccines since
    the growing number of afflicted children is impossible to
    ignore. Frightened by growing public concern, public health
    officials feel the need to use the police powers of the state to
    justify their unscientific policies that vaccines are safe and
    effective.

    Ah, more of that "vaccines aren't effective" [censored]. Still waiting for
    the explanation of what happened with measles.

    Quoted message said:

    compiled by Vaccination Liberation

    Iowa bans thimerosal

    This year Iowa became the first state to ban thimerosal, a mercury
    derivative, from being added to vaccines. Although it is part of the
    manufacturing process and is still in vaccines in trace amount, this is a
    huge victory that could snowball with other states passing similar
    legislation.

    In fact, another news release from California notes that Governor Arnold
    Schwarzenegger just signed a bill that bans practitioners in California

    Quoted message said:

    from administering thimerosal-containing vaccines to children under three


    years old.

    Unfortunately, both bills will not become law until sometime in 2006.

    How wonderful. The effect of such a bill will simply be that certain
    vaccines become unavailable in the affected states. Once disease
    rates start to rise, we'll see changes. However, since most vaccines
    are now available thimerosal-free anyway, the bills are mostly
    posturing.

    In about three years, we'll discover that autism rates aren't going
    down, and even the ardent anti-mercury advocates will have to admit
    that the thimerosal in vaccines wasn't the problem after all.
    Instead, they'll have wasted time and resources haring after this
    phantasm, while depriving us of research (there's only so much money
    to go around) that might have been productive.

    Quoted message said:

    CDC decides to go down with sinking ship

    In perfect timing to this recent whirlwind of activity surrounding the
    controversy of mercury-containing vaccines, the subsequent development of
    autism and the lack of safety studies done on thimerosal as a vaccine
    additive, the CDC continues to be supportive of thimerosal. The federal
    "epidemic" agency is issuing vaccine fact sheets to health departments all
    over the nation assuring health care professionals and consumers that
    thimerosal in vaccines is perfectly safe and has never been proven to be
    otherwise.

    Experts claim study proves mercury is good for developing brains

    Also well timed is the citing of the September, 2004 edition of Pediatrics
    by Reuters Health in which an article appeared claiming
    thimerosal-containing vaccines actually improve children's behavior and
    development.

    The article Reuters Health and other news outlets have broadcast widely is
    entitled, "Mercury-Containing Vaccines May Help, Not Harm Kids." The
    article actually says:

    "There appeared to be protective effects from thimerosal-containing vaccine
    exposure for general developmental disorders, attention-deficit disorder,
    and unspecified developmental delay."

    After two years of being told that we should not eat mercury-containing
    seafood or breathe it via coal-fired plants because it's bad for you, are
    we now to believe that injected mercury takes on a new life and is
    beneficial?

    Why not? I mean, this idiotic "newsletter" contains not one word of
    refutation -- they simply ridicule the idea. Well, the authors of
    that article had evidence, and the anti-vac loons have nada.

    Quoted message said:

    Under threat, duress and coercion

    In the midst of this heated debate among the controlled media, the CDC, and
    Big Pharma versus outspoken consumer advocates, activists and researchers,
    we find that our "police state" enforcers of this debacle are out in full
    force to make sure we all partake in the medical miracle of vaccines.

    Ah, there we go. When all else fails, play the "personal choice"
    trump card. I hope that all the kids who are damaged by vaccine-
    preventable diseases are allowed, years from now, to sue these
    know-nothing anti-vac nitwits who scared their parents into not having
    them vaccinated.

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    Among the requirements for attending Washington D.C. middle and high
    schools are booster shots for diphtheria/tetanus (Dt vaccine),
    Measles, Mumps and Rubella (the MMR vaccine) and hepatitis B. More
    recently, varicella vaccine (for chickenpox, a mild infectious
    childhood disease in healthy children) has been added as an
    additional requirement for attending school.

    A *usually* mild, but occasionally severe disease.

    Quoted message said:

    Exemptions based on medical reasons or religious convictions are not
    mentioned in the article.

    That doesn't mean there aren't any, just that the article doesn't
    mention them. In fact, 30 seconds in google turns up the information,
    from another anti-vac web site (909shot), no less:

    No certification of immunization shall be required for the admission
    to a school of a student:

    (1) For whom the responsible person objects in good faith and in
    writing, to the chief official of the school, that immunization
    would violate his or her religious beliefs; or

    (2) For whom the school has written certification by a private
    physician, his or her representative, or the public health
    authorities that immunization is medically inadvisable.

    Quoted message said:

    Why aren't we hearing cries denouncing policies that violate the Nuremberg
    Code prohibiting forced medical experimentation via vaccines?

    Probably because vaccines are about as "experimental" as vacuum
    cleaners by now.

    <big snip>

    Quoted message said:

    Medical theorists disagree on whether flu vaccines protect from the
    flu or the opposite, actually cause diseases. Deaths associated with
    the flu continue to rise parallel with increased flu vaccine
    usage. No large population studies prove the flu vaccine to have any
    protective value.

    A blatant lie. There are multiple studies of vaccinated vs
    unvaccinated populations that show a lower rate of death or
    complications in the vaccinated populations. There are no
    studies of hundreds of thousands of people, but so what? Such
    a study would be very expensive and would not be expected to
    show anything we didn't already know from smaller studies.

    Quoted message said:

    Every year, 80 to 90 percent of the population is naturally immune
    from all forms of Influenza Like Illnesses (ILI's). Due to the fact
    that only 10 to 15 percent of these ILI's are actually flu, Natural
    immunity protects 96 to 98 people out of every hundred from
    contracting the flu.

    Immunity plus lack of exposure. Not everyone is exposed. I have my
    doubts about those numbers, too.

    Quoted message said:

    An increasing number of people are concluding that the body is
    self-protecting and self-healing and that artificial immunization is
    ineffective and harmful. Known adverse effects of the flu vaccine
    include flu-like symptoms, joint and muscle pain (sometimes lasting
    for years), severe allergic reactions and occasional death.

    Very, very rare. People may be concluding that, but that's partly
    because they read crappy "newsletters" from the anti-vac liars.

    Quoted message said:

    Natural immunity to all contagious diseases is promoted by lifestyle
    practices that increase digestive ability and elimination of toxins.

    Promoted, perhaps, but not guaranteed. And now we're getting into
    this whole mythic system about "toxins" and digestion.

    Quoted message said:

    Many religious prohibitions against blood pollution exist for both
    health and spiritual reasons. Scientists are awakening to the fact
    that vaccination has it roots in the pre-scientific age and no
    adequate scientific tests prove vaccine safety and effectiveness.

    Nonsense again. What happened to measles?

    <remaining blather snipped. As soon as I see a mention of "dis-ease"
    I know we've wandered away from science and into myth. And, in fact,
    they're promoting homeopathy and naturopathy.>

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  7. In sci.med john <[email hidden]> wrote:
    : article VacLib put in the Idaho Observor this month
    : The weblink to this flyer is www.vaclib.org/basic/flu_2004_short_ad.html

    : Be your own expert because the "so-called" experts have lost their minds

    Thimerosal is used as a "preservative."

    The best reason for using it as a preservative seems to be tradition.

    When i asked one of our Nursing lecturers (from the local health unit),
    why thimerosal [a known mercury derivative], was still being used as in
    vaccines, i was told that it is basically b/c i has become the "standard".

    Similar to thimerosal's prevalence, is how silver nitrate is used/has been
    used in newborn's eyes.

    The reasoning is tautological. "We do it b/c we have always done it".

    Studies supposedly show no value. There is an antibiotic drop that is the
    new neonate eye care protocol, as i understand it. [One of the -mycin
    drugs.]

    Does anyone know if Evidence-based medicine shows Thimerosal to be THE
    best preservative?

    Emma

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