Now It Can Be Told

in message <[email hidden]>, Just zis Guy,

you know? (') said:

You want to know who's behind http://www.cyclehelmets.org? Now it can
be revealed.

An updated site is now online with an "about us" page
(http://www.cyclehelmets.org/mf.html#1121). Sorry it took so long, it
takes a while to get all the necessary agreements and so on. Plus we
are all doing it in our spare time in between fighting off the likes
of Martlew.

Congratulations. I really believe this gives the site much more
credibility.

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Tony Blair's epitaph, #2: Trust me.

you know? said:

An updated site is now online with an "about us" page
(http://www.cyclehelmets.org/mf.html#1121).

Hmm. "Road Safety Researcher, Reading", is that similar to "full time
road safety campaigner"?

Actually, I see from the SS that in order to protest about not being
able to drive as fast as they like, they propose to drive slowly on
the M4 on 30 April. I expect there's some logic there.

Presumably they'll count every car on teh stetch and claim all of
them as supporting the protest.

regards, Ian SMith

On 24 Apr 2005 21:35:12 GMT, Ian Smith <[email hidden]> wrote
in message <[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

Hmm. "Road Safety Researcher, Reading", is that similar to "full time
road safety campaigner"?

I spend around half as much time per week doing various road and cycle
safety research as I do working on the day job. Nobody said it was
full time - but if you can think of a better description for an
amateur in the field I'd be happy to hear it.

Guy
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http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

"To every complex problem there is a solution which is
simple, neat and wrong" - HL Mencken

Ian Smith said:

you know? said:

An updated site is now online with an "about us" page
(http://www.cyclehelmets.org/mf.html#1121).

Hmm. "Road Safety Researcher, Reading", is that similar to "full time
road safety campaigner"?

I must say the same went through my mind.
Perhaps Guy, you should try and qualify it some way.

Excellent work though.

Quoted message said:

Actually, I see from the SS that in order to protest about not being
able to drive as fast as they like, they propose to drive slowly on
the M4 on 30 April. I expect there's some logic there.

Presumably they'll count every car on teh stetch and claim all of
them as supporting the protest.

They'll count all teh occupants too - a 50 seater coach being held up
will mean 50 supporters.

John B

Guy said:

Nobody said it was
full time - but if you can think of a better description for an
amateur in the field I'd be happy to hear it.

You're too modest - most people (eg P*** S****, yer average journalist,
etc) would bill themselves as Leading World Expert if they put in even
half the time and effort you do.

d.

"Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

You want to know who's behind http://www.cyclehelmets.org? Now it can
be revealed.

An updated site is now online with an "about us" page
(http://www.cyclehelmets.org/mf.html#1121). Sorry it took so long, it
takes a while to get all the necessary agreements and so on. Plus we
are all doing it in our spare time in between fighting off the likes
of Martlew.

The Editorial Board are responsible for site content, the one who has
done most on that score is of course John Franklin. I thank him
warmly for his tireless work on behalf of cyclists, here and
elsewhere, most of it unpaid.

Guy

And you can register your support for the Bicycle Helmet Research
Foundation. Do it!

Quoted message said:

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"To every complex problem there is a solution which is
simple, neat and wrong" - HL Mencken

On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 00:10:25 +0100, davek <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

You're too modest - most people (eg P*** S****, yer average journalist,
etc) would bill themselves as Leading World Expert if they put in even
half the time and effort you do.

Surely not. Oh, wait: http://www.bicyclehelmets.info/ - as you were,
then (see the last para).

Guy
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88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at CHS, Puget Sound

Simon Brooke said:

Congratulations. I really believe this gives the site much more
credibility.

Esecially given the names of some of the patrons. The Director
Emeritus of the French equivalent of TRL, for instance.

Guy
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May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at CHS, Puget Sound

On 25 Apr 2005 02:32:08 -0700, "dkahn400" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Isn't he also one the world's leading experts on bicycle lighting? What
a clever fellow he must be.

Indeed the same. He is, in fact, one of Earth's leading experts on
self-aggrandizement.

Guy
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http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at CHS, Puget Sound

Geraint Jones said:

[email hidden] wrote:
| You want to know who's behind http://www.cyclehelmets.org? Now it can
| be revealed.
|
| An updated site is now online with an "about us" page
| (http://www.cyclehelmets.org/mf.html#1121).

Pardon my lack of imagination, but what is the obvious route to that
page for someone who starts from the home page with no magic number?

The,

Bicycle Helmet Research Foundation

link at the bottom of:

http://www.cyclehelmets.org/

Colin

Just zis Guy said:

You want to know who's behind http://www.cyclehelmets.org? Now it can
be revealed.

On,

http://www.cyclehelmets.org/mf.html#1045

the following appears,

Deaths due to head injury:

Cyclists: 10
This represents 53% of child cyclist deaths

I find this a little unclear.

Do you mean that 53% of child cyclist deaths are due to head injury even
though the number of deaths is less than 10. Or, are those 10 deaths all
children?

Do you mean that the number 10 "represents" 53% of child cyclists deaths
even though that particular 10 includes some adult deaths? If so what is
the split between adults and children?

Could you clarify the point if possible?

Colin

Just zis Guy said:

I spend around half as much time per week doing various road
and cycle safety research as I do working on the day job.

Part-time Road Safety Researcher, Reading.

Quoted message said:

Nobody said it was full time - but if you can think of a better
description for an amateur in the field I'd be happy to hear it.

Part-time Amateur Road Safety Researcher, Reading.

"When thou art bidden of any man to a wedding, sit not down in the
highest room; lest a more honorable man than thou be bidden of him; and
he that bade thee and him come and say to thee, Give this man place;
and thou begin with shame to take the lowest room. But when thou art
bidden, go and sit down in the lowest room; that when he that bade thee
cometh, he may say unto thee, Friend, go up higher: then shalt thou
have worship in the presence of them that sit at meat with thee.

For whosoever exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth
himself shall be exalted."

N Lenderby (Mrs)

you know? said:

On 24 Apr 2005 21:35:12 GMT, Ian Smith <[email hidden]> wrote
in message <[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

Hmm. "Road Safety Researcher, Reading", is that similar to "full time
road safety campaigner"?

I spend around half as much time per week doing various road and cycle
safety research as I do working on the day job. Nobody said it was
full time - but if you can think of a better description for an
amateur in the field I'd be happy to hear it.

I can't.

It is interesting, however, to compare the two sites. Cyclehelmets
one says relentlessly focussing on cyclehelmets to teh exclusion of
all else is actually damaging to cyclist safety. SS one says that
relentlessly focussing on speed limits to the exclusion of all else is
actually damaging to road safety.

If you dig deeper, you may reach some conclusion as to whether one of
these is true and teh other is false, but I find it interesting that
it is possible to draw those conclusions as a pair.

regards, Ian SMith
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Colin Blackburn said:

Cyclists: 10
This represents 53% of child cyclist deaths

10 out of the 19 child cyclist deaths in (?)2002 were due to head
injury, according to the DoH (written answer in Hansard).

Guy
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http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at CHS, Puget Sound

Quoted message said:

"When thou art bidden of any man to a wedding, sit not down in the
highest room; lest a more honorable man than thou be bidden of him; and
he that bade thee and him come and say to thee, Give this man place;

At the last BHRF meeting I sat at the end of the table nearest the
gents. Does this count?

Guy
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http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at CHS, Puget Sound

Ian Smith said:

It is interesting, however, to compare the two sites. Cyclehelmets
one says relentlessly focussing on cyclehelmets to teh exclusion of
all else is actually damaging to cyclist safety. SS one says that
relentlessly focussing on speed limits to the exclusion of all else is
actually damaging to road safety.

A comparison not lost on me, believe me. I think one key difference
may be that the actors behind cyclehelmets.org really do spend a lot
of time pursuing other cycle safety issues. Oh, and there are more
than one of us ;-)

I take occasional sabbaticals to regain my perspective. We also have
Roger Geffen to keep us sane. Top bloke, Roger.

Guy
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88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at CHS, Puget Sound

On 25 Apr 2005 02:32:08 -0700, "dkahn400" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Surely not. Oh, wait: http://www.bicyclehelmets.info/ - as you were,
then (see the last para).

Quoted message said:

Isn't he also one the world's leading experts on bicycle lighting? What
a clever fellow he must be.

I found this in my web-o-tron as an unpublished draft, so I've
published it for your amusement [FSVO]:

http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/Web/public.nsf/Documents/Scharf

Guy
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May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at CHS, Puget Sound

Mind you, having John Adams & Gerry Wilde as patrons is rather
impressive too.

John Kane
Kingston ON

On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 20:40:30 +0000, Jon Senior
<jon_AT_restlesslemon_DOT_co_DOT_uk> wrote in message
<[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

Also: The Earth's Leading Authority on Conveying Coffee by Bicycle--Since 1996

Prolly cold by now. I'd make fresh.

Guy
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http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

"To every complex problem there is a solution which is
simple, neat and wrong" - HL Mencken