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  1. We sold a set of XT 9s rapidfire pods today, then set about ordering their
    replacement.

    Nobody, and I mean NOBODY we do business with had them in stock. Some of
    them blamed a shortage of Shimano parts.

    More likely Shimano has already quit making these in favor of the new XTR
    clone with the wiggly brake levers and the "Low normal" (son of Rapid Rise)
    derailleur.

    I'm willing to bet this stuff drops down to LX next year. Prolly even
    Deore.

    Keeping my good old stuff up is going to get harder and harder. Like
    finding a good old long (127mm) bottom bracket spindle made of quality
    metal.

    ---
    __o
    _`\(,_ Cycling is life,
    (_)/ (_) all the rest, just details.
    The Nelson Paradigm =^o.o^=
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  2. The Nelson Paradigm said:

    We sold a set of XT 9s rapidfire pods today, then set about ordering
    their replacement.

    Nobody, and I mean NOBODY we do business with had them in stock.
    Some of them blamed a shortage of Shimano parts.

    More likely Shimano has already quit making these in favor of the new
    XTR clone with the wiggly brake levers and the "Low normal" (son of
    Rapid Rise) derailleur.

    I'm willing to bet this stuff drops down to LX next year. Prolly even
    Deore.

    Keeping my good old stuff up is going to get harder and harder. Like
    finding a good old long (127mm) bottom bracket spindle made of quality
    metal.

    ---
    __o
    _`\(,_ Cycling is life,
    (_)/ (_) all the rest, just details.
    The Nelson Paradigm =^o.o^=
    http://intergalax.com
    http://intbike.com
    _______
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    Time to go SRAM...

    --
    - Zilla
    Cary, NC
    (Remove XSPAM)

  3. The Nelson Paradigm said:

    We sold a set of XT 9s rapidfire pods today, then set about ordering their
    replacement.

    Nobody, and I mean NOBODY we do business with had them in stock. Some of
    them blamed a shortage of Shimano parts.

    More likely Shimano has already quit making these in favor of the new XTR
    clone with the wiggly brake levers and the "Low normal" (son of Rapid Rise)
    derailleur.

    I'm willing to bet this stuff drops down to LX next year. Prolly even
    Deore.

    Keeping my good old stuff up is going to get harder and harder. Like
    finding a good old long (127mm) bottom bracket spindle made of quality
    metal.


    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&q=shimano+shortages
    --
    Slacker

  4. "Zilla" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    The Nelson Paradigm said:

    We sold a set of XT 9s rapidfire pods today, then set about ordering
    their replacement.

    Nobody, and I mean NOBODY we do business with had them in stock.
    Some of them blamed a shortage of Shimano parts.

    More likely Shimano has already quit making these in favor of the new
    XTR clone with the wiggly brake levers and the "Low normal" (son of
    Rapid Rise) derailleur.

    I'm willing to bet this stuff drops down to LX next year. Prolly even
    Deore.

    Keeping my good old stuff up is going to get harder and harder. Like
    finding a good old long (127mm) bottom bracket spindle made of quality
    metal.

    ---
    __o
    _`\(,_ Cycling is life,
    (_)/ (_) all the rest, just details.
    The Nelson Paradigm =^o.o^=
    http://intergalax.com
    http://intbike.com
    _______
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    Time to go SRAM...

    Definitely.

    Greg

  5. The Nelson Paradigm said:

    We sold a set of XT 9s rapidfire pods today, then set about ordering their
    replacement.

    Nobody, and I mean NOBODY we do business with had them in stock. Some of
    them blamed a shortage of Shimano parts.

    More likely Shimano has already quit making these in favor of the new XTR
    clone with the wiggly brake levers and the "Low normal" (son of Rapid Rise)
    derailleur.

    I'm willing to bet this stuff drops down to LX next year. Prolly even
    Deore.

    Keeping my good old stuff up is going to get harder and harder. Like
    finding a good old long (127mm) bottom bracket spindle made of quality
    metal.

    ---
    __o
    _`\(,_ Cycling is life,
    (_)/ (_) all the rest, just details.
    The Nelson Paradigm =^o.o^=
    http://intergalax.com
    http://intbike.com
    _______
    Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
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    I like my new Sram triggers and rear mech.

    --
    Craig Brossman, Durango Colorado
    (remove ".nospam" to reply)

  6. Quoted message said:

    We sold a set of XT 9s rapidfire pods today, then set about ordering their
    replacement.

    Nobody, and I mean NOBODY we do business with had them in stock. Some of
    them blamed a shortage of Shimano parts.

    More likely Shimano has already quit making these in favor of the new XTR
    clone with the wiggly brake levers and the "Low normal" (son of Rapid Rise)
    derailleur.

    I'm willing to bet this stuff drops down to LX next year. Prolly even
    Deore.

    Keeping my good old stuff up is going to get harder and harder. Like
    finding a good old long (127mm) bottom bracket spindle made of quality
    metal.

    Point 1) Buy sram
    Point 2) UN-72's are still widely available.

    Cheers,

    -Andre

  7. "The Nelson Paradigm" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    We sold a set of XT 9s rapidfire pods today, then set about ordering their
    replacement.

    Nobody, and I mean NOBODY we do business with had them in stock. Some of
    them blamed a shortage of Shimano parts.

    More likely Shimano has already quit making these in favor of the new XTR
    clone with the wiggly brake levers and the "Low normal" (son of Rapid


    Rise)

    Quoted message said:

    derailleur.

    I'm willing to bet this stuff drops down to LX next year. Prolly even
    Deore.

    Make that bet.
    http://tinyurl.com/2fp9w (links to cyclingnews.com)

    XTR = XT = LX in 2005

    I've spoken with Shimano reps about Dual Control and they feel very strongly
    that it's superior to Rapidrise. They bluntly told me that Rapidrise is
    dead... DEAD!, I tell ya... D-E-A-D <sniffling>

    To put it in one reps words, "The future is Dual Control. Rapidrise is old,
    being replaced..." All three I've spoken with have used "Dual Control"
    w/the word "future" as if they are reciting something from their Shimano
    propaganda.

    Rapidrise has served me very well. I don't understand why I am being forced
    to adopt something else. Would it kill Shimano to keep both systems? I
    guess so.

    Dave

  8. "The Nelson Paradigm" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    We sold a set of XT 9s rapidfire pods today, then set about ordering their
    replacement.

    Nobody, and I mean NOBODY we do business with had them in stock. Some of
    them blamed a shortage of Shimano parts.

    More likely Shimano has already quit making these in favor of the new XTR
    clone with the wiggly brake levers and the "Low normal" (son of Rapid Rise)
    derailleur.

    I'm willing to bet this stuff drops down to LX next year. Prolly even
    Deore.

    Keeping my good old stuff up is going to get harder and harder. Like
    finding a good old long (127mm) bottom bracket spindle made of quality
    metal.

    ---
    __o
    _`\(,_ Cycling is life,
    (_)/ (_) all the rest, just details.
    The Nelson Paradigm =^o.o^=
    http://intergalax.com
    http://intbike.com
    _______
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    If it drops down to LX/Deore next year, you won't have a problem.

    /scott

  9. "The Nelson Paradigm" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    We sold a set of XT 9s rapidfire pods today, then set about ordering their
    replacement.

    Nobody, and I mean NOBODY we do business with had them in stock. Some of
    them blamed a shortage of Shimano parts.

    More likely Shimano has already quit making these in favor of the new XTR
    clone with the wiggly brake levers and the "Low normal" (son of Rapid Rise)
    derailleur.

    I guess that means that they want none of their stuff to be
    interoperable from year-to-year. That's OK - When I wreck my RD, I'll
    just buy SRAM. If I blow up my crank or BB, I'll go Raceface. When
    my hubs give up, I'll go Hope or some other. Since SRAM has triggers
    and a FD now, folks *could* go Shimano-free immediately. It is
    unlikely that I will willing buy a new Shimano part ever again. Uhh,
    let me clarify - I'm gonna buy some Octalink BB - 2 for each bike.
    When they're done, so is Shimano on my bikes.

    Buh-bye, Shimano.
    --
    Jonesy "eventually"

  10. Jonesy said:

    I guess that means that they want none of their stuff to be
    interoperable from year-to-year. That's OK - When I wreck my RD, I'll
    just buy SRAM. If I blow up my crank or BB, I'll go Raceface. When
    my hubs give up, I'll go Hope or some other. Since SRAM has triggers
    and a FD now, folks *could* go Shimano-free immediately. It is
    unlikely that I will willing buy a new Shimano part ever again. Uhh,
    let me clarify - I'm gonna buy some Octalink BB - 2 for each bike.
    When they're done, so is Shimano on my bikes.

    Buh-bye, Shimano.

    I am close, but the new Shimano XT "thru" crank is very nice, so it sits
    on my new bike. Next year when the cash is availabe, the XT hubs go,
    since my wife is getting CK on her new bike (yeah, she is spoiled,
    shouldn't they all be), I can get away with it.
    My old XT front mech is serving me well after 5 years, it will be pretty
    hard to part with that though.
    --
    Craig Brossman, Durango Colorado
    (remove ".nospam" to reply)

  11. Quoted message said:


    I'm willing to bet this stuff drops down to LX next year. Prolly even
    Deore.

    Already has for 2005. Singletrack Mag had a photo shoot of the new LX gear

  12. Andrew Thorne wrote:
    || We sold a set of XT 9s rapidfire pods today, then set about ordering
    || their replacement.
    ||
    || Nobody, and I mean NOBODY we do business with had them in stock.
    || Some of them blamed a shortage of Shimano parts.
    ||
    || More likely Shimano has already quit making these in favor of the
    || new XTR clone with the wiggly brake levers and the "Low normal" (son
    || of Rapid Rise) derailleur.
    ||
    || I'm willing to bet this stuff drops down to LX next year. Prolly
    || even Deore.
    ||
    || Keeping my good old stuff up is going to get harder and harder. Like
    || finding a good old long (127mm) bottom bracket spindle made of
    || quality metal.
    ||
    ||
    |
    | Point 1) Buy sram

    Not unless they start making old fashion thumbshifters

    | Point 2) UN-72's are still widely available.

    Yes, and I'll use them when the cup and cone spindles wear out. I still
    prefer the old school XT spindles.

    My last one went onto my Big Sur a month ago. After that it's UN-73 (the
    current version of UN72)
    |
    | Cheers,
    |
    | -Andre

    ---
    __o
    _`\(,_ Cycling is life,
    (_)/ (_) all the rest, just details.
    The Nelson Paradigm =^o.o^=
    http://intergalax.com
    http://intbike.com
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  13. "Pistof" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "The Nelson Paradigm" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    We sold a set of XT 9s rapidfire pods today, then set about ordering


    their

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    replacement.

    Nobody, and I mean NOBODY we do business with had them in stock. Some


    of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    them blamed a shortage of Shimano parts.

    More likely Shimano has already quit making these in favor of the new


    XTR

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    clone with the wiggly brake levers and the "Low normal" (son of Rapid


    Rise)

    Quoted message said:

    derailleur.

    I'm willing to bet this stuff drops down to LX next year. Prolly even
    Deore.

    Make that bet.
    http://tinyurl.com/2fp9w (links to cyclingnews.com)

    XTR = XT = LX in 2005

    I've spoken with Shimano reps about Dual Control and they feel very


    strongly

    Quoted message said:

    that it's superior to Rapidrise. They bluntly told me that Rapidrise is
    dead... DEAD!, I tell ya... D-E-A-D <sniffling>

    To put it in one reps words, "The future is Dual Control. Rapidrise is


    old,

    Quoted message said:

    being replaced..." All three I've spoken with have used "Dual Control"
    w/the word "future" as if they are reciting something from their Shimano
    propaganda.

    Rapidrise has served me very well. I don't understand why I am being


    forced

    Quoted message said:

    to adopt something else. Would it kill Shimano to keep both systems? I
    guess so.

    Was RapidRise ever really alive to begin with? I've never had it on any of
    my bikes and none of the guys in my regular ride group has ever used it in
    the ten or so years we've been riding together.

    Remember, we're talking 'Normal" XT stuff here and RapidRise was far from
    normal for XT derailleurs.

  14. "KLydesdale" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Pistof" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "The Nelson Paradigm" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    We sold a set of XT 9s rapidfire pods today, then set about ordering


    their

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    replacement.

    Nobody, and I mean NOBODY we do business with had them in stock. Some


    of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    them blamed a shortage of Shimano parts.

    More likely Shimano has already quit making these in favor of the new


    XTR

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    clone with the wiggly brake levers and the "Low normal" (son of Rapid


    Rise)

    Quoted message said:

    derailleur.

    I'm willing to bet this stuff drops down to LX next year. Prolly even
    Deore.

    Make that bet.
    http://tinyurl.com/2fp9w (links to cyclingnews.com)

    XTR = XT = LX in 2005

    I've spoken with Shimano reps about Dual Control and they feel very


    strongly

    Quoted message said:

    that it's superior to Rapidrise. They bluntly told me that Rapidrise is
    dead... DEAD!, I tell ya... D-E-A-D <sniffling>

    To put it in one reps words, "The future is Dual Control. Rapidrise is


    old,

    Quoted message said:

    being replaced..." All three I've spoken with have used "Dual Control"
    w/the word "future" as if they are reciting something from their Shimano
    propaganda.

    Rapidrise has served me very well. I don't understand why I am being


    forced

    Quoted message said:

    to adopt something else. Would it kill Shimano to keep both systems? I
    guess so.

    Was RapidRise ever really alive to begin with?

    Replace RapidRise with RapidFire and the above makes more sense. Dual
    Control is replacing RapidFire, and doesn't Dual Control use RapidRise or
    whatever they're calling it now, anyway?

    Greg

  15. G.T. wrote:
    | "KLydesdale" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    | news:[email hidden]...
    ||
    || "Pistof" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    || news:[email hidden]...
    ||| "The Nelson Paradigm" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    ||| news:[email hidden]...
    |||| We sold a set of XT 9s rapidfire pods today, then set about
    |||| ordering their replacement.
    ||||
    |||| Nobody, and I mean NOBODY we do business with had them in stock.
    |||| Some of them blamed a shortage of Shimano parts.
    ||||
    |||| More likely Shimano has already quit making these in favor of the
    |||| new XTR clone with the wiggly brake levers and the "Low normal"
    |||| (son of Rapid Rise) derailleur.
    ||||
    |||| I'm willing to bet this stuff drops down to LX next year. Prolly
    |||| even Deore.
    |||
    ||| Make that bet.
    ||| http://tinyurl.com/2fp9w (links to cyclingnews.com)
    |||
    ||| XTR = XT = LX in 2005
    |||
    ||| I've spoken with Shimano reps about Dual Control and they feel very
    ||| strongly that it's superior to Rapidrise. They bluntly told me
    ||| that Rapidrise is dead... DEAD!, I tell ya... D-E-A-D <sniffling>
    |||
    ||| To put it in one reps words, "The future is Dual Control.
    ||| Rapidrise is old, being replaced..." All three I've spoken with
    ||| have used "Dual Control" w/the word "future" as if they are
    ||| reciting something from their Shimano propaganda.
    |||
    ||| Rapidrise has served me very well. I don't understand why I am
    ||| being forced to adopt something else. Would it kill Shimano to
    ||| keep both systems? I guess so.
    |||
    ||
    || Was RapidRise ever really alive to begin with?
    |
    | Replace RapidRise with RapidFire and the above makes more sense. Dual
    | Control is replacing RapidFire, and doesn't Dual Control use
    | RapidRise or whatever they're calling it now, anyway?

    It's all in a name. When I asked the Shimano rep why the Dual Control uses
    a Rapid Rise (reverse sprung) rear mech, he about bit my head off - it's now
    called "Low Normal" (sounds to me like 'below normal' intelligence.)

    It means that, with the shortage they are now experiencing, they are
    concentrating on their new stuff and either ignoring or have totally
    discontinued XT and XTR rear mechs with the proper springs in it.

    I'll just come out and say it: The XT derailleurs (except the 8s wimpy
    spring version) have always been my favorite. They work well and work long
    and are worth every penny. I have 7s era rears working today. I *DO NOT
    LIKE* the reverse spring mech. It relies on the spring to pull the chain to
    larger cogs, instead of the smaller ones. A cable pulling the chain to
    larger cogs works better and more reliably. Period.

    ---
    __o
    _`\(,_ Cycling is life,
    (_)/ (_) all the rest, just details.
    The Nelson Paradigm =^o.o^=
    http://intergalax.com
    http://intbike.com
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  16. The Nelson Paradigm said:

    G.T. wrote:
    | "KLydesdale" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    | news:[email hidden]...
    ||
    || "Pistof" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    || news:[email hidden]...
    ||| "The Nelson Paradigm" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    ||| news:[email hidden]...
    |||| We sold a set of XT 9s rapidfire pods today, then set about
    |||| ordering their replacement.
    ||||
    |||| Nobody, and I mean NOBODY we do business with had them in stock.
    |||| Some of them blamed a shortage of Shimano parts.
    ||||
    |||| More likely Shimano has already quit making these in favor of the
    |||| new XTR clone with the wiggly brake levers and the "Low normal"
    |||| (son of Rapid Rise) derailleur.
    ||||
    |||| I'm willing to bet this stuff drops down to LX next year. Prolly
    |||| even Deore.
    |||
    ||| Make that bet.
    ||| http://tinyurl.com/2fp9w (links to cyclingnews.com)
    |||
    ||| XTR = XT = LX in 2005
    |||
    ||| I've spoken with Shimano reps about Dual Control and they feel very
    ||| strongly that it's superior to Rapidrise. They bluntly told me
    ||| that Rapidrise is dead... DEAD!, I tell ya... D-E-A-D <sniffling>
    |||
    ||| To put it in one reps words, "The future is Dual Control.
    ||| Rapidrise is old, being replaced..." All three I've spoken with
    ||| have used "Dual Control" w/the word "future" as if they are
    ||| reciting something from their Shimano propaganda.
    |||
    ||| Rapidrise has served me very well. I don't understand why I am
    ||| being forced to adopt something else. Would it kill Shimano to
    ||| keep both systems? I guess so.
    |||
    ||
    || Was RapidRise ever really alive to begin with?
    |
    | Replace RapidRise with RapidFire and the above makes more sense. Dual
    | Control is replacing RapidFire, and doesn't Dual Control use
    | RapidRise or whatever they're calling it now, anyway?

    It's all in a name. When I asked the Shimano rep why the Dual Control uses
    a Rapid Rise (reverse sprung) rear mech, he about bit my head off - it's now
    called "Low Normal" (sounds to me like 'below normal' intelligence.)

    It means that, with the shortage they are now experiencing, they are
    concentrating on their new stuff and either ignoring or have totally
    discontinued XT and XTR rear mechs with the proper springs in it.

    I'll just come out and say it: The XT derailleurs (except the 8s wimpy
    spring version) have always been my favorite. They work well and work long
    and are worth every penny. I have 7s era rears working today. I *DO NOT
    LIKE* the reverse spring mech. It relies on the spring to pull the chain to
    larger cogs, instead of the smaller ones. A cable pulling the chain to
    larger cogs works better and more reliably. Period.

    No need to convince me. I'll be switching to SRAM next time I need to
    replace parts.

    Greg

  17. "KLydesdale" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Pistof" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "The Nelson Paradigm" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    We sold a set of XT 9s rapidfire pods today, then set about ordering


    their

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    replacement.

    Nobody, and I mean NOBODY we do business with had them in stock. Some


    of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    them blamed a shortage of Shimano parts.

    More likely Shimano has already quit making these in favor of the new


    XTR

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    clone with the wiggly brake levers and the "Low normal" (son of Rapid


    Rise)

    Quoted message said:

    derailleur.

    I'm willing to bet this stuff drops down to LX next year. Prolly even
    Deore.

    Make that bet.
    http://tinyurl.com/2fp9w (links to cyclingnews.com)

    XTR = XT = LX in 2005

    I've spoken with Shimano reps about Dual Control and they feel very


    strongly

    Quoted message said:

    that it's superior to Rapidrise. They bluntly told me that Rapidrise is
    dead... DEAD!, I tell ya... D-E-A-D <sniffling>

    To put it in one reps words, "The future is Dual Control. Rapidrise is


    old,

    Quoted message said:

    being replaced..." All three I've spoken with have used "Dual Control"
    w/the word "future" as if they are reciting something from their Shimano
    propaganda.

    Rapidrise has served me very well. I don't understand why I am being


    forced

    Quoted message said:

    to adopt something else. Would it kill Shimano to keep both systems? I
    guess so.

    Was RapidRise ever really alive to begin with? I've never had it on any


    of

    Quoted message said:

    my bikes and none of the guys in my regular ride group has ever used it in
    the ten or so years we've been riding together.

    Yeah, not RapidRise. I can't believe I wrote that. I meant Rapid F-I-R-E.
    Thanks.

    Rapidrise has to do w/the derailleur, not the shifters. Ugh.

    I remember when Shimano first introduced the RapidRise XTR derailleur.
    Everyone was jokingly calling it RapidDemise, like it would be the end of
    Shimano. Guess not.

    Quoted message said:

    Remember, we're talking 'Normal" XT stuff here and RapidRise was far from
    normal for XT derailleurs.

  18. "Pistof" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "KLydesdale" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "Pistof" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "The Nelson Paradigm" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    > We sold a set of XT 9s rapidfire pods today, then set about ordering


    their

    Quoted message said:

    > replacement.
    >
    > Nobody, and I mean NOBODY we do business with had them in stock.


    Some

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    of

    Quoted message said:

    > them blamed a shortage of Shimano parts.
    >
    > More likely Shimano has already quit making these in favor of the


    new

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    XTR

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    > clone with the wiggly brake levers and the "Low normal" (son of


    Rapid

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    Rise)
    > derailleur.
    >
    > I'm willing to bet this stuff drops down to LX next year. Prolly


    even

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    > Deore.

    Make that bet.
    http://tinyurl.com/2fp9w (links to cyclingnews.com)

    XTR = XT = LX in 2005

    I've spoken with Shimano reps about Dual Control and they feel very


    strongly

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    that it's superior to Rapidrise. They bluntly told me that Rapidrise


    is

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    dead... DEAD!, I tell ya... D-E-A-D <sniffling>

    To put it in one reps words, "The future is Dual Control. Rapidrise


    is

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    old,

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    being replaced..." All three I've spoken with have used "Dual


    Control"

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    w/the word "future" as if they are reciting something from their


    Shimano

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    propaganda.

    Rapidrise has served me very well. I don't understand why I am being


    forced

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    to adopt something else. Would it kill Shimano to keep both systems?


    I

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    guess so.

    Was RapidRise ever really alive to begin with? I've never had it on


    any

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    of

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    my bikes and none of the guys in my regular ride group has ever used it


    in

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    the ten or so years we've been riding together.

    Yeah, not RapidRise. I can't believe I wrote that. I meant Rapid


    F-I-R-E.

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    Thanks.

    You sounded so sure of yourself too. ;^)

    I've tinkered with the Dual Control stuff on a friend's new bike - I
    actually kind of like it. But not enough to pay the prices they're asking
    to swap all my bikes over to it and it's not the kind of thing I can see
    myself having on just one bike So I see SRAM trigger shifters in my
    future.

  19. "KLydesdale" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    | "Pistof" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    | >
    | > "KLydesdale" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    | > news:[email hidden]...
    | > >
    | > > "Pistof" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    | > > news:[email hidden]...
    | > > > "The Nelson Paradigm" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    | > > > > We sold a set of XT 9s rapidfire pods today, then set about
    ordering
    | > > their
    | > > > > replacement.
    | > > > >
    | > > > > Nobody, and I mean NOBODY we do business with had them in stock.
    | Some
    | > > of
    | > > > > them blamed a shortage of Shimano parts.
    | > > > >
    | > > > > More likely Shimano has already quit making these in favor of the
    | new
    | > > XTR
    | > > > > clone with the wiggly brake levers and the "Low normal" (son of
    | Rapid
    | > > > Rise)
    | > > > > derailleur.
    | > > > >
    | > > > > I'm willing to bet this stuff drops down to LX next year. Prolly
    | even
    | > > > > Deore.
    | > > >
    | > > > Make that bet.
    | > > > http://tinyurl.com/2fp9w (links to cyclingnews.com)
    | > > >
    | > > > XTR = XT = LX in 2005
    | > > >
    | > > > I've spoken with Shimano reps about Dual Control and they feel very
    | > > strongly
    | > > > that it's superior to Rapidrise. They bluntly told me that
    Rapidrise
    | is
    | > > > dead... DEAD!, I tell ya... D-E-A-D <sniffling>
    | > > >
    | > > > To put it in one reps words, "The future is Dual Control. Rapidrise
    | is
    | > > old,
    | > > > being replaced..." All three I've spoken with have used "Dual
    | Control"
    | > > > w/the word "future" as if they are reciting something from their
    | Shimano
    | > > > propaganda.
    | > > >
    | > > > Rapidrise has served me very well. I don't understand why I am
    being
    | > > forced
    | > > > to adopt something else. Would it kill Shimano to keep both
    systems?
    | I
    | > > > guess so.
    | > > >
    | > >
    | > > Was RapidRise ever really alive to begin with? I've never had it on
    | any
    | > of
    | > > my bikes and none of the guys in my regular ride group has ever used
    it
    | in
    | > > the ten or so years we've been riding together.
    | >
    | > Yeah, not RapidRise. I can't believe I wrote that. I meant Rapid
    | F-I-R-E.
    | > Thanks.
    | >
    |
    |
    | You sounded so sure of yourself too. ;^)
    |
    | I've tinkered with the Dual Control stuff on a friend's new bike - I
    | actually kind of like it. But not enough to pay the prices they're
    asking
    | to swap all my bikes over to it and it's not the kind of thing I can see
    | myself having on just one bike So I see SRAM trigger shifters in my
    | future.

    I may eventually try to hook some dual controls up to a "normal" derailleur
    and see if it works at all.

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  20. The Nelson Paradigm said:

    "KLydesdale" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    | "Pistof" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    | news:[email hidden]...
    | >
    | > "KLydesdale" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    | > news:[email hidden]...
    | > >
    | > > "Pistof" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    | > > news:[email hidden]...
    | > > > "The Nelson Paradigm" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    | > > > message news:[email hidden]...
    | > > > > We sold a set of XT 9s rapidfire pods today, then set about
    ordering
    | > > their
    | > > > > replacement.
    | > > > >
    | > > > > Nobody, and I mean NOBODY we do business with had them in stock.
    | Some
    | > > of
    | > > > > them blamed a shortage of Shimano parts.
    | > > > >
    | > > > > More likely Shimano has already quit making these in favor of
    | > > > > the
    | new
    | > > XTR
    | > > > > clone with the wiggly brake levers and the "Low normal" (son of
    | Rapid
    | > > > Rise)
    | > > > > derailleur.
    | > > > >
    | > > > > I'm willing to bet this stuff drops down to LX next year.
    | > > > > Prolly
    | even
    | > > > > Deore.
    | > > >
    | > > > Make that bet.
    | > > > http://tinyurl.com/2fp9w (links to cyclingnews.com)
    | > > >
    | > > > XTR = XT = LX in 2005
    | > > >
    | > > > I've spoken with Shimano reps about Dual Control and they feel
    | > > > very
    | > > strongly
    | > > > that it's superior to Rapidrise. They bluntly told me that
    Rapidrise
    | is
    | > > > dead... DEAD!, I tell ya... D-E-A-D <sniffling>
    | > > >
    | > > > To put it in one reps words, "The future is Dual Control.
    | > > > Rapidrise
    | is
    | > > old,
    | > > > being replaced..." All three I've spoken with have used "Dual
    | Control"
    | > > > w/the word "future" as if they are reciting something from their
    | Shimano
    | > > > propaganda.
    | > > >
    | > > > Rapidrise has served me very well. I don't understand why I am
    being
    | > > forced
    | > > > to adopt something else. Would it kill Shimano to keep both
    systems?
    | I
    | > > > guess so.
    | > > >
    | > >
    | > > Was RapidRise ever really alive to begin with? I've never had it
    | > > on
    | any
    | > of
    | > > my bikes and none of the guys in my regular ride group has ever used
    it
    | in
    | > > the ten or so years we've been riding together.
    | >
    | > Yeah, not RapidRise. I can't believe I wrote that. I meant Rapid
    | F-I-R-E.
    | > Thanks.
    | >
    |
    |
    | You sounded so sure of yourself too. ;^)
    |
    | I've tinkered with the Dual Control stuff on a friend's new bike - I
    | actually kind of like it. But not enough to pay the prices they're
    asking
    | to swap all my bikes over to it and it's not the kind of thing I can see
    | myself having on just one bike So I see SRAM trigger shifters in my
    | future.

    I may eventually try to hook some dual controls up to a "normal"
    derailleur and see if it works at all.

    Yeah, works great, as can be attested by any Specialized owner. Specialized
    did not like the idea of being forced into Rapid Rise derailers, so they
    bought a stockpile of standard derailers for use on their bikes.

    Works just like it should, if you ask me.

    John M

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